Re: Does First Dose Have to be First Thing?

[Guest guest]

You would do better to take the HC first thing and eat and the thyroid

later. Thyroid is there in your blood for as needed basis but cortils if

low in the morning is BAD, especially wiht you exercising you are

beatuing up your adrenals before supporting them.

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[Guest guest]

So, would it be better for me to take the thyroid meds at night before I go to

bed, then take

the HC first thing in the morning?

Also, how far apart should I space my HC dosage? I get up at 4:30am and usually

go to bed

by 9:30pm or so.

Carol

>

> You would do better to take the HC first thing and eat and the thyroid

> later. Thyroid is there in your blood for as needed basis but cortils if

> low in the morning is BAD, especially wiht you exercising you are

> beatuing up your adrenals before supporting them.

>

[Guest guest]

>>I have been doing something similar with my Cortisol. I take my thyroid at 6

a.m. then wait an hour and eat and take my cortisol... I exercise but only a 15-

30 mintue stationary bike. So, would it be better to eat and take cortisol

wait an hour and then take the thyroid. Just want to make sure I have it

right.<<

Yes it would be better to eat & take cortisl first,

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[Guest guest]

Even if you take thyroid sublingually it should still be away from

calcium and iron for 4 hours? Boy there are just not enough hours in

the day.

>

> I split thyroid and HC doses. And if you take the thyroid sublingually

> you can take it with anything exceopt calcium and iron as it is

absorbed

> in the mouth rather than the blood stream. HC should be taken abtu

every

> 4 hours for three doses the usually once oyu build up a bit you will

> need a bedtime dose as well.

>

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[Guest guest]

I also take most of my thyroid in the morning and taper it as the day

progresses. I find that taking too much in the evening stresses my adrenals

and keeps me awake!

[Guest guest]

It's probably low cortisol keeping you awake. In a healthy person, T3

peaks around midnight. If you dose thyroid high to low during the day,

you are creating an abnormal rhythm. A nighttime dose will help you

sleep better and deeper, and get more REM sleep, which is essential for

good mental function. Your body uses the energy at night to repair

itself. How are you dosing HC and thyroid? Thyroid should be spaced 3-

4 times per days, in even amounts, and any extra should be added first

to the bedtime dose, then the morning, then the lunch, and finally

dinner.

Barb

" moped27 " wrote:

>

> I also take most of my thyroid in the morning and taper it as the day

> progresses. I find that taking too much in the evening stresses my

adrenals

> and keeps me awake!

>

[Guest guest]

I would like to pick up on this because this has been discussed a few

times and I've seen two sort of schools of thought emerge - one being

to taper the Armour dose to be heavier in the AM and less in the PM,

and the other being to take it in equal doses or even heavier at

bed-time for better energy in the AM. Right now I'm taking my 2

grains in 4 equal doses (so 1/2 a grain right before bed) and my sleep

is awful. I'm taking Klonopin and Lunesta to get to sleep and then

waking up 3-5 hours later. I also find that during the day, no matter

how fatigued I feel from not having slept much the night before, even

if I have the luxury of time to lie down for a nap, I can only sleep

for 10-15 minutes, if that, before waking up. Something, either the

Armour, HC, or both is stimulating me to the point that I can't sleep,

even to catch up with a little nap. Has anyone else found that they

can't even nap anymore?

>

> I also take most of my thyroid in the morning and taper it as the day

> progresses. I find that taking too much in the evening stresses my

adrenals

> and keeps me awake!

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I would like to pick up on this because this has been discussed a

few

> times and I've seen two sort of schools of thought emerge - one

being

> to taper the Armour dose to be heavier in the AM and less in the PM,

> and the other being to take it in equal doses or even heavier at

> bed-time for better energy in the AM. Right now I'm taking my 2

> grains in 4 equal doses (so 1/2 a grain right before bed) and my

sleep

> is awful. I'm taking Klonopin and Lunesta to get to sleep and then

> waking up 3-5 hours later. I also find that during the day, no

matter

> how fatigued I feel from not having slept much the night before,

even

> if I have the luxury of time to lie down for a nap, I can only sleep

> for 10-15 minutes, if that, before waking up. Something, either the

> Armour, HC, or both is stimulating me to the point that I can't

sleep,

> even to catch up with a little nap. Has anyone else found that they

> can't even nap anymore?

>

>

Hi

Yes I get this too and it is when my adrenals are too weak to support

the Armour and I need to drop the dose of Armour a bit. I actually

think it is questionable whether Armour in the late evening is good,

I don't think I would take a dose after 7 pm if at all.

Have you addressed the salt issue too cos this is so important in my

case but I have only just come to realise this. I am hoping to get

some fludrocortisone instead of having to take so much salt through

the day but at the moment my CFS doctor isn't too happy about it. It

was something Val wrote about the symptoms of aldosterone deficiency

giving you the same symptoms as cortisol deficiency and I do know

from personal experience this is true. They both need to be

addressed to feel better and whilst this is going on its better not

to have too much Armour in the system.

BW

Pam

[Guest guest]

Thanks Pam. I'm working on the Florinef with my docs and I agree that

it might be a missing piece of the puzzle for me. I was leary about

adding that late dose of Armour (sorry Barb) but all of the research

that people here have been doing seems to indicate that a night-time

dose of Armour is a good and possibly necessary thing. I'm just not

sleeping and if it is contributing to it at all I need to stop it.

With my luck it has nothing to do with it and I'll try to adjust my

doses and I'll mess up my sleep even more. Just not sure which way to

turn right now. I know that docs would have us dosing Armour 1 to

possibly 3 times/day and none at night but they don't know how to dose

HC so I don't know if we can trust them to know how to dose Armour any

better.

> Hi

>

> Yes I get this too and it is when my adrenals are too weak to support

> the Armour and I need to drop the dose of Armour a bit. I actually

> think it is questionable whether Armour in the late evening is good,

> I don't think I would take a dose after 7 pm if at all.

>

> Have you addressed the salt issue too cos this is so important in my

> case but I have only just come to realise this. I am hoping to get

> some fludrocortisone instead of having to take so much salt through

> the day but at the moment my CFS doctor isn't too happy about it. It

> was something Val wrote about the symptoms of aldosterone deficiency

> giving you the same symptoms as cortisol deficiency and I do know

> from personal experience this is true. They both need to be

> addressed to feel better and whilst this is going on its better not

> to have too much Armour in the system.

>

> BW

> Pam

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Delores. Klonopin is like Xanax if you have heard of that,

also like Valium. I take it for anxiety - not a big dose, but more

than I wish I was taking. It and the Lunesta together are not keeping

me asleep so it's not worth taking them. Was thinking about trying

Ambien CR but you don't seem to have had much luck with it. I will

try to keep some salt water handy for night-time as that can't hurt.

>

> ,

>

> I don't know what Klonopin is but I have taken Lunesta (not that

different

> from Ambien in effect). I just got off Ambien because of the same

thing.

> It was making me feel bad!!! I had to take it to even go to sleep

and would

> wake up in 2 to 3 hours. Also, like you said, even if I was

fatigued the

> next day, I could not go to sleep. The first night off Ambien was

NOT fun,

> virtually no sleep (had to stress dose the next morning to make it

through

> the day). The next night I actually crashed when I hit the bed and even

> though I woke a couple of times, I was able to follow Barb's advice (I

> believe) and take salty water and Vit C and get back to sleep. Actually

> slept in later than usual. So-o good to not be on Ambien!!!!!

>

> Delores

[Guest guest]

I have been doing something similar with my Cortisol. I take my thyroid at 6

a.m. then wait an hour and eat and take my cortisol... I exercise but only a 15-

30 mintue stationary bike. So, would it be better to eat and take cortisol

wait an hour and then take the thyroid. Just want to make sure I have it right.

Re: Does First Dose Have to be First Thing?

You would do better to take the HC first thing and eat and the thyroid

later. Thyroid is there in your blood for as needed basis but cortils if

low in the morning is BAD, especially wiht you exercising you are

beatuing up your adrenals before supporting them.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

[Guest guest]

I have been doing something similar with my Cortisol. I take my thyroid at 6

a.m. then wait an hour and eat and take my cortisol... I exercise but only a 15-

30 mintue stationary bike. So, would it be better to eat and take cortisol

wait an hour and then take the thyroid. Just want to make sure I have it right.

Re: Does First Dose Have to be First Thing?

You would do better to take the HC first thing and eat and the thyroid

later. Thyroid is there in your blood for as needed basis but cortils if

low in the morning is BAD, especially wiht you exercising you are

beatuing up your adrenals before supporting them.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/