Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 , Getting living away from us in a supported arrangment was no easy endevor but it was the best thing I could have done for . His MR is mild and he had his dreams of doing what he saw his siblings and friends doing, Moving to an independent life separate from Mom and Dad. My pending heart surgery gave me the wake up call. What would happen to if I was gone. A long term plan beyond our being here needed to be thought about. I too looked at possibilities of living with his sisters. Our oldest, who is adopted also does not have a stable situation, our middle daughter(biological) was saying she would take care of him but I saw that her life was so full just taking care of herself I felt she couldn't be the answer to a secure future for . Henry and I had taken the responsibility of adoping a special needs child not our kids. I truely felt it wasn't a responsibility that was fair to them or . What wanted for his life wasn't going to mesh with the life his sisters were living. I know there are allot of parents who may not agree with me but whether you child has mild or severe MR I've realized how important it is to secure a MR diagnosis while they are still under the age of 21.. Funding without the MR diagnosis is almost non-existant. Even when you have the diagnosis funding can be extremely hard to get in almost every state. Because I have already been the " route " I have learned ways to get in and around waiting lists. Some of the means can and will go against the gain of your heart but in the end I found that you have to play the politacal game. Yes, it sounds terible but unforunatly here in PA it was and still is very political. I did not attempt to secure MR services until was 20 years old. They refused us services at first because his IQ was 74. Their cut off point was 70. By some research I learned there was a 5 pt. varience when a individual has other challenges such as deafness of sight loss. I found it very strange that the agency who exists within the venue of MR didn't know this fact. They claimed they didn't. For any of you who are going for the MR diagnosis after the age of 21 know that the federal guidlines state MR has to be exsisting before the age of 21 not tested before the age of 21. I'll give you an example I worked with: A young man in his 30's who is deaf,autistic, moderate MR but having Island Sevant (gifed) area of puzzle solving and artistic drawing. While attending school he only had the written part of IQ testing because of his deafness. He scored well into the 90's because of his Island Sevant skills and that part of testing involves puzzle solving. We arranged full testing to be done by a psychologist who was qualified to test deaf with emphasis on Independent living skill. He tested in the low 60's. Medical records showed his condition was from the time of birth. His county MR agency tried to refuse him services because testing was done after the age of 21. We requested fair hearing because we knew the state was not adhearing to the federal guidelines on MR diagnosis and waiver funding. This individual is living in the home with my son, . I am willing to share any knowledge I have involving the process of waiver and independent living. mom to (31) -- In CHARGE , KAV427@... wrote: > > , > I loved reading your post. My son Mark is 23 and I just can't > picture him ever living away from home. I know it is wise to start things going > in that direction but it is just so hard. He is SO dependent on us for > everything and he is also MR and deaf. He is non verbal and would also need 24/7 > supervision. I am a nurse and just have not seen a lot of positives with the group > home population I have encountered. I know we are not getting any younger and > he only has one sibling who needs to work and support herself. Keep me posted > on his situation. > > > ************************************** > Get a > sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 - We are trying to change the state definition of Developmental Disability because it also uses the IQ<70 standard. The Federal Definition uses deficits in areas of daily living - a much more accurate method. As we know - it's possible to have a high IQ (as in autism or CP - and CHARGE) and still have severe deficits that require support. This is such a touchy subject. It's come up here before. Of course, most of us - and our kids - would prefer not to have an label of MR or anything like it. But the truth is that we need it to get services. And the Developmental Disability label, when using the Federal definition, does include Aubrie. The IQ method does not - unless I agree to IQ testing with a person who doesn't understand her multiple impairments - then they may do a poor job of testing and find her IQ lower. Which could be good for funding and support, but bad for school issues. Then you get into schools dumbing down the curriculum instead of working around our kids' impairments to give academic work at their true cognitive level. It's very tricky. This is a huge issue. I'm glad you've brought it up because it is critical in securing adult services. Michele W Aubrie's mom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 , I think your post is very important for people to read and file away for when they need to be thinking of future options as well as good educational planning. There may also be some help on the way in terms of the words " mental retardation " .. The American Association of Mental Retardation has officially changed it's name to the American Association of Intellectual and Developmental Disabilities. Lessening the stigma of an " MR " label is the goal. But.. it also provides (in my opinion) a wider berth for defining needs for kids with other issues, and most specifically our CHARGE kids. Many, despite how bright and successful they are/have been, need a good support network to pave the way whether it is in elementary school, Deaf school, etc. And we see this as more acutely as they approach the " transition " ages. It is so very hard-- " if my child has an MR label, he/she gets services that s/he needs, but I don't want that label, but I want my child to be successfull...... " it is a tremendously circuitous discussion parents have with themselves!! So....you have paved the way for so many young people already!!! Your clarity of thought, sensitivity, and respect will help so many others, as well! pam Re: CHARGE: Re: To on independent Living , Getting living away from us in a supported arrangment was no easy endevor but it was the best thing I could have done for . His MR is mild and he had his dreams of doing what he saw his siblings and friends doing, Moving to an independent life separate from Mom and Dad. My pending heart surgery gave me the wake up call. What would happen to if I was gone. A long term plan beyond our being here needed to be thought about. I too looked at possibilities of living with his sisters. Our oldest, who is adopted also does not have a stable situation, our middle daughter(biological) was saying she would take care of him but I saw that her life was so full just taking care of herself I felt she couldn't be the answer to a secure future for . Henry and I had taken the responsibility of adoping a special needs child not our kids. I truely felt it wasn't a responsibility that was fair to them or . What wanted for his life wasn't going to mesh with the life his sisters were living. I know there are allot of parents who may not agree with me but whether you child has mild or severe MR I've realized how important it is to secure a MR diagnosis while they are still under the age of 21.. Funding without the MR diagnosis is almost non-existant. Even when you have the diagnosis funding can be extremely hard to get in almost every state. Because I have already been the " route " I have learned ways to get in and around waiting lists. Some of the means can and will go against the gain of your heart but in the end I found that you have to play the politacal game. Yes, it sounds terible but unforunatly here in PA it was and still is very political. I did not attempt to secure MR services until was 20 years old. They refused us services at first because his IQ was 74. Their cut off point was 70. By some research I learned there was a 5 pt. varience when a individual has other challenges such as deafness of sight loss. I found it very strange that the agency who exists within the venue of MR didn't know this fact. They claimed they didn't. For any of you who are going for the MR diagnosis after the age of 21 know that the federal guidlines state MR has to be exsisting before the age of 21 not tested before the age of 21. I'll give you an example I worked with: A young man in his 30's who is deaf,autistic, moderate MR but having Island Sevant (gifed) area of puzzle solving and artistic drawing. While attending school he only had the written part of IQ testing because of his deafness. He scored well into the 90's because of his Island Sevant skills and that part of testing involves puzzle solving. We arranged full testing to be done by a psychologist who was qualified to test deaf with emphasis on Independent living skill. He tested in the low 60's. Medical records showed his condition was from the time of birth. His county MR agency tried to refuse him services because testing was done after the age of 21. We requested fair hearing because we knew the state was not adhearing to the federal guidelines on MR diagnosis and waiver funding. This individual is living in the home with my son, . I am willing to share any knowledge I have involving the process of waiver and independent living. mom to (31) -- In CHARGE , KAV427@... wrote: > > , > I loved reading your post. My son Mark is 23 and I just can't > picture him ever living away from home. I know it is wise to start things going > in that direction but it is just so hard. He is SO dependent on us for > everything and he is also MR and deaf. He is non verbal and would also need 24/7 > supervision. I am a nurse and just have not seen a lot of positives with the group > home population I have encountered. I know we are not getting any younger and > he only has one sibling who needs to work and support herself. Keep me posted > on his situation. > > > ************************************** > Get a > sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Pam, I truely hope no one is offended by my use of the word Mental Retardation when I am talking within the relm of Federal and State agencies. It's a shame how stigma and the corrruption of language can make a word so hurtful. It's what is in the heart of the speaker that turns a word sour. It would be wonderful if instead of having words that become lables that we could change the hearts and minds of the the people who make the words labels. I wnat my son to be seen as a young man who has met more than his share of life challenges and has won some of them but also has learned to accept and be comfortable for who he is. The word MR doesn't bother me as much as the essence people attach to it. I have no malice in my heart. It is just a word. Our new words can become new lables without removing the blight from uneducated minds. From the time has been with us I have wanted him to be challenged. Part of that challenge has been to understand that when people are cruel is has nothing to do with him. Pass by those who cannot understand and embrace the people who will be true friends. Find joy in living for life is short. He has grown up to have more joy in him than anyone I have ever met. I can't wait to meet everyone at the conference but most of all I can't wait for all of you to meet . When I stand back and watch him I know I did my mothers' job to the best of my abiity. He makes me feel proud and so very happy that I have him in my life. mom to (31) > > > > , > > I loved reading your post. My son Mark is 23 and I > just can't > > picture him ever living away from home. I know it is wise to start > things going > > in that direction but it is just so hard. He is SO dependent on us > for > > everything and he is also MR and deaf. He is non verbal and would > also need 24/7 > > supervision. I am a nurse and just have not seen a lot of positives > with the group > > home population I have encountered. I know we are not getting any > younger and > > he only has one sibling who needs to work and support herself. Keep > me posted > > on his situation. > > > > > > ************************************** > > Get a > > sneak peak of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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