Re: Custom Creme from Sabre Sciences - Confused?

February 22, 2008

PS can lower cortils thta is too high but it improves respobnsiveness to

the HPA which is basically what you want. I would TRY htis it sounds

liek a plausible routine but if in a month you are not feeling

noticabkly better I woudld certainly inform them of this and see about a

differnt protocol. Your sodium looks low to me wiht a highish potassium

so I would add Celtic Sea Salt to your daily routine a it helps support

adrenlas in many ways.

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February 23, 2008

ok took 1 dose last night (actually less than a dose, just the size

of a toothpick)

woke up this morning 3lbs heavier, breast swollens etc. I guess the

progesterone cream isn't for me? I feel like a whale - puffy all

over. That being said, I woke up this morning at 8am and my basal

was 98.6 - wow.(Not from adrenaline though ... ). My doc, who

specializes in bioidentical hormones said i don't need progesterone,

however i have all the pms symptoms in the book. I think the water

retention is from higher aldosterone but i am so uncomfortable i

dont want to take the cream. Not sure whats up.

>

> Ok, my saliva tests from sabre sciences are here:

>

> CORTISOL -

> 8AM 7.23 (3.5 - 6.3)

> NOON 1.83 (1.4 - 2.8)

> 4PM 1.87 (0.8 -2.4)

> 8PM 1.50 (0.6 - 1.6)

> MIDNIGHT 0.90 (0.3 - 1.2)

> 4AM 1.62 ( 0.3 - 1.7)

>

> DHEA-S

> 8AM 6.1 (2.8-12.7)

> 8PM 3.0 (2.7 - 9.0)

> MIDNIGHT 5.1 (1.8 - 8.1)

>

> SODIUM (SALIVA 4PM) 10 (5.2 - 30.8)

> POTASSIUM 26.7 (3.7 - 31)

> CHLORIDE 25 (16 - 35)

>

> Comments:

> Phase 2 adrenal maladaption. Her 8am cortisol is elevated adn

drops

> 75% at 12pm and remains relatively flat throughout the remainder

of

> the 24hr period. This drop may indicate parasitic infection and

may

> also be due to glycemic control issues and/or supplementation.

Lacl

> of dynami pattern from 12pm - 4pm is in respond to her adrenal

> distress adn also may be due to glycemic control issues.

Furthermore

> it may also be due to medications/supplements she is on.

>

> Her DHEA is within normal range but inverted at 12AM which is

> consistent with her adrenal distress and may also indicate an

immune

> response - the feedback mechanism affecting interluekin 6

receptors,

> lowers cortisol and therefore DHEA increases to affect the immune

> response.

>

> Her testosterone is high normal, which in this case might be due

to

> patients perceived sense of hyperviligance

>

> Suggested Corrective Action:

>

> R/O Malabsorption

> R/O Immune Response

> R/O Parasitic Infection

>

> 1 - normalize adrenal and dhea function and support liver for

proper

> hormone metabolism and normalize estrogen and progesterone ratio

> --------------------------------------------------------

>

> .... from that they made a custom transdermal cream (pulsitile

> delivery system that clears from the body within 72 hrs). BTW, i

am

> age 31, still menstruating. They recommended to take this cream

1/4

> tsp at 8am and 6pm from days 7 - 28 of my cycle. On their saliva

test

> i had a 39.6 ratio progesterone to estrogen. I think optimal is

40,

> so estrogen dominant. That being said, i am very nervous to add

> progesterone throughout my cycle when blood tests show that i have

> normal levels, but for whatever reason symptoms say the opposite.

> Doses are per 1/4 tsp.

>

> phosphatidylserine 33mg

> progesterone 12mg

> DIM concentrate 9mg

> DHEA 7mg

> PRegnenelone 4mg

> saw palmetto 3mg

> beta sitosterol 1mg

> coral calcium 654mcg

> magnesium gluconate 654mcg

> potassium citrate 192mcg

> phosphorus 58mcg

> sodium gluconate 29mcg

> zinc gluconate 29mcg

>

> Other ingred:

> ALA

> Avena Sative

> Lglutamine

> Lorinathine

> LTaurine

> LTyrosine

> Licorice root ext.

> Maca ext.

> Muira Puama ext.

> Potassium iodide

> Super oxide dismutase

> Vit B12

> Vit E

>

> Also, I have a digestive enzyme from them, and pantothenic acid

> powder that i will take, along with their isoblast electrolyte

> product. Later on, add their detox stuff. So.... i am curious

about 2

> things - the progesterone addition to the forumla and the

> phos.serine - i thought that lowered cortisol? Or does it help

> correct patterns?

>

February 23, 2008

ok took 1 dose last night (actually less than a dose, just the size

of a toothpick)

woke up this morning 3lbs heavier, breast swollens etc. I guess the

progesterone cream isn't for me? I feel like a whale - puffy all

over. That being said, I woke up this morning at 8am and my basal

was 98.6 - wow.(Not from adrenaline though ... ). My doc, who

specializes in bioidentical hormones said i don't need progesterone,

however i have all the pms symptoms in the book. I think the water

retention is from higher aldosterone but i am so uncomfortable i

dont want to take the cream. Not sure whats up.

>

> Ok, my saliva tests from sabre sciences are here:

>

> CORTISOL -

> 8AM 7.23 (3.5 - 6.3)

> NOON 1.83 (1.4 - 2.8)

> 4PM 1.87 (0.8 -2.4)

> 8PM 1.50 (0.6 - 1.6)

> MIDNIGHT 0.90 (0.3 - 1.2)

> 4AM 1.62 ( 0.3 - 1.7)

>

> DHEA-S

> 8AM 6.1 (2.8-12.7)

> 8PM 3.0 (2.7 - 9.0)

> MIDNIGHT 5.1 (1.8 - 8.1)

>

> SODIUM (SALIVA 4PM) 10 (5.2 - 30.8)

> POTASSIUM 26.7 (3.7 - 31)

> CHLORIDE 25 (16 - 35)

>

> Comments:

> Phase 2 adrenal maladaption. Her 8am cortisol is elevated adn

drops

> 75% at 12pm and remains relatively flat throughout the remainder

of

> the 24hr period. This drop may indicate parasitic infection and

may

> also be due to glycemic control issues and/or supplementation.

Lacl

> of dynami pattern from 12pm - 4pm is in respond to her adrenal

> distress adn also may be due to glycemic control issues.

Furthermore

> it may also be due to medications/supplements she is on.

>

> Her DHEA is within normal range but inverted at 12AM which is

> consistent with her adrenal distress and may also indicate an

immune

> response - the feedback mechanism affecting interluekin 6

receptors,

> lowers cortisol and therefore DHEA increases to affect the immune

> response.

>

> Her testosterone is high normal, which in this case might be due

to

> patients perceived sense of hyperviligance

>

> Suggested Corrective Action:

>

> R/O Malabsorption

> R/O Immune Response

> R/O Parasitic Infection

>

> 1 - normalize adrenal and dhea function and support liver for

proper

> hormone metabolism and normalize estrogen and progesterone ratio

> --------------------------------------------------------

>

> .... from that they made a custom transdermal cream (pulsitile

> delivery system that clears from the body within 72 hrs). BTW, i

am

> age 31, still menstruating. They recommended to take this cream

1/4

> tsp at 8am and 6pm from days 7 - 28 of my cycle. On their saliva

test

> i had a 39.6 ratio progesterone to estrogen. I think optimal is

40,

> so estrogen dominant. That being said, i am very nervous to add

> progesterone throughout my cycle when blood tests show that i have

> normal levels, but for whatever reason symptoms say the opposite.

> Doses are per 1/4 tsp.

>

> phosphatidylserine 33mg

> progesterone 12mg

> DIM concentrate 9mg

> DHEA 7mg

> PRegnenelone 4mg

> saw palmetto 3mg

> beta sitosterol 1mg

> coral calcium 654mcg

> magnesium gluconate 654mcg

> potassium citrate 192mcg

> phosphorus 58mcg

> sodium gluconate 29mcg

> zinc gluconate 29mcg

>

> Other ingred:

> ALA

> Avena Sative

> Lglutamine

> Lorinathine

> LTaurine

> LTyrosine

> Licorice root ext.

> Maca ext.

> Muira Puama ext.

> Potassium iodide

> Super oxide dismutase

> Vit B12

> Vit E

>

> Also, I have a digestive enzyme from them, and pantothenic acid

> powder that i will take, along with their isoblast electrolyte

> product. Later on, add their detox stuff. So.... i am curious

about 2

> things - the progesterone addition to the forumla and the

> phos.serine - i thought that lowered cortisol? Or does it help

> correct patterns?

>

February 25, 2008

bump for response?

> >

> > Ok, my saliva tests from sabre sciences are here:

> >

> > CORTISOL -

> > 8AM 7.23 (3.5 - 6.3)

> > NOON 1.83 (1.4 - 2.8)

> > 4PM 1.87 (0.8 -2.4)

> > 8PM 1.50 (0.6 - 1.6)

> > MIDNIGHT 0.90 (0.3 - 1.2)

> > 4AM 1.62 ( 0.3 - 1.7)

> >

> > DHEA-S

> > 8AM 6.1 (2.8-12.7)

> > 8PM 3.0 (2.7 - 9.0)

> > MIDNIGHT 5.1 (1.8 - 8.1)

> >

> > SODIUM (SALIVA 4PM) 10 (5.2 - 30.8)

> > POTASSIUM 26.7 (3.7 - 31)

> > CHLORIDE 25 (16 - 35)

> >

> > Comments:

> > Phase 2 adrenal maladaption. Her 8am cortisol is elevated adn

> drops

> > 75% at 12pm and remains relatively flat throughout the remainder

> of

> > the 24hr period. This drop may indicate parasitic infection and

> may

> > also be due to glycemic control issues and/or supplementation.

> Lacl

> > of dynami pattern from 12pm - 4pm is in respond to her adrenal

> > distress adn also may be due to glycemic control issues.

> Furthermore

> > it may also be due to medications/supplements she is on.

> >

> > Her DHEA is within normal range but inverted at 12AM which is

> > consistent with her adrenal distress and may also indicate an

> immune

> > response - the feedback mechanism affecting interluekin 6

> receptors,

> > lowers cortisol and therefore DHEA increases to affect the immune

> > response.

> >

> > Her testosterone is high normal, which in this case might be due

> to

> > patients perceived sense of hyperviligance

> >

> > Suggested Corrective Action:

> >

> > R/O Malabsorption

> > R/O Immune Response

> > R/O Parasitic Infection

> >

> > 1 - normalize adrenal and dhea function and support liver for

> proper

> > hormone metabolism and normalize estrogen and progesterone ratio

> > --------------------------------------------------------

> >

> > .... from that they made a custom transdermal cream (pulsitile

> > delivery system that clears from the body within 72 hrs). BTW, i

> am

> > age 31, still menstruating. They recommended to take this cream

> 1/4

> > tsp at 8am and 6pm from days 7 - 28 of my cycle. On their saliva

> test

> > i had a 39.6 ratio progesterone to estrogen. I think optimal is

> 40,

> > so estrogen dominant. That being said, i am very nervous to add

> > progesterone throughout my cycle when blood tests show that i

have

> > normal levels, but for whatever reason symptoms say the opposite.

> > Doses are per 1/4 tsp.

> >

> > phosphatidylserine 33mg

> > progesterone 12mg

> > DIM concentrate 9mg

> > DHEA 7mg

> > PRegnenelone 4mg

> > saw palmetto 3mg

> > beta sitosterol 1mg

> > coral calcium 654mcg

> > magnesium gluconate 654mcg

> > potassium citrate 192mcg

> > phosphorus 58mcg

> > sodium gluconate 29mcg

> > zinc gluconate 29mcg

> >

> > Other ingred:

> > ALA

> > Avena Sative

> > Lglutamine

> > Lorinathine

> > LTaurine

> > LTyrosine

> > Licorice root ext.

> > Maca ext.

> > Muira Puama ext.

> > Potassium iodide

> > Super oxide dismutase

> > Vit B12

> > Vit E

> >

> > Also, I have a digestive enzyme from them, and pantothenic acid

> > powder that i will take, along with their isoblast electrolyte

> > product. Later on, add their detox stuff. So.... i am curious

> about 2

> > things - the progesterone addition to the forumla and the

> > phos.serine - i thought that lowered cortisol? Or does it help

> > correct patterns?

> >

>

February 25, 2008

I am always VERY leery of a combo creme such as this as hirmones MUST be

individually adjusted asn this cream makes htis impossible. How do oyu

knw which of the MANY ingredients is causing the problem? You certainyl

cannot try one at a time to rule them out.

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