Re: Stop Armour/Switch to T4 to allow adrenals to get stronger

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March 8, 2008

I had Ferritin drawn last week...waiting for results. I feel adrenal push even

with HC no

matter the dose. Should I back off on my current dose for now? Maybe not take

any armour

today and start tomorrow?

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> Have you had Ferritin tested? Low ferritin can also cause these

> symptoms. What happens when you try HC? That woud be the first thing to

> do is to try to get some cortisol in your body then try the thyroid

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March 8, 2008

What do yoiu mean by adrenal push? How are you dosing HC?

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March 8, 2008

I reread my post...need to clarify...I am not using HC now. I have tried it

before. I do not

have a dr now to rx it as we moved. I meant should I back off Armour dose for

now...

Adrenal Push...whenever I take T-4, T-3, Vitamins, B complex, Vit C, adrenal

glandulars,

sometimes when I eat, etc (this is noticed over a period of a few years and I am

just now

seeing the correlation) or...short of breath, facial cheeks tingly, vision not

clear, ears

ringing and full feeling in ears, extremely on edge, hate to be touched, noise

seems louder

than usual.

Also noticed the above sensations when I was on Synthroid if I took too much or

too little I

was having the above symptoms but I was never able to find a dose to regulate

that was

when we tried Armour...

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March 8, 2008

NO thyroid med will work for you properly as long as you are low in

cortisl or Ferritin. Those two things are the usual cause of problems

especially wiht Armour. I would go to the thyroid dose that feel

scpomfortable for now and try to get the adrenal treatmenmt you need to

have to be able to optimize the thyroid.

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March 8, 2008

Ok I will post Ferritin when I get the results. Do you think Isocort is worth

the try in the

interim?

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> NO thyroid med will work for you properly as long as you are low in

> cortisl or Ferritin. Those two things are the usual cause of problems

> especially wiht Armour. I would go to the thyroid dose that feel

> scpomfortable for now and try to get the adrenal treatmenmt you need to

> have to be able to optimize the thyroid.

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March 8, 2008

Yes it is much better than nothing! LOL

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March 8, 2008

Loralee,

I, too, am ULTRA sensitive to all thyroid meds, adrenal support,

cortisol, supps, etc., I suspect because of my adrenal fatigue.

Anyways, I have unsuccessfully been able to tolerate even 25 mcg of

Synthroid OR 1/4 grain of Armour (separately) so I have now started

adrenal support and am on an aqueous solution of diluted thyroid meds

that is prescribed to be by Dr. Langer (mentioned in mary

shomon's book) here in California. This solution allows me to start on

a dose of the equivalent to 2.5 mcg of Synthroid and slowly build up

by 2.5 mcg every 3 days. Even when I got up to 15 mcg Synthroid the

other day, with only 2 1/2 Isocort pellets daily, I had MAJOR HYPER

symptoms - heart palpitations, massive anxiety, feeling manic/wired,

racing thoughts, and insomnia (not even curable by combinations of

sleeping pills!) for 2 days straight. I think this may have been a

'thyroid dump' but can't be sure. It was AWFUL.

Anyways, I mention this b/c if you are having such a hard time

tolerating thyroid meds (as I have) even WITH Isocort & licorice for

adrenal support, you may want to get a prescription for this

specialized aqueous diluted solution of thyroid meds. It has to be

done at a compounding pharmacy, and I had to specifically see Dr.

Langer to get this prescription as no other endo's knew what I was

talking about. Dr. Langer's info is at

Good Luck!

Metta

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> > NO thyroid med will work for you properly as long as you are low in

> > cortisl or Ferritin. Those two things are the usual cause of problems

> > especially wiht Armour. I would go to the thyroid dose that feel

> > scpomfortable for now and try to get the adrenal treatmenmt you

need to

> > have to be able to optimize the thyroid.

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March 8, 2008

Hi Val,

After reading this post, I have a question for you. I, too, am having

a hard time tolerating something (either thyroid meds or Isocort). One

of them is making me have hyper symptoms - heart palpitations,

anxiety, panic, racing thoughts, relentless insomnia, chest pain. This

happened 2 days ago when I raised my Levothyroxine dose (t4) from 12.5

mcg to 15 mcg. I have been on 2 1/2 Isocort pellets (not very much)

and 1/2 tsp. licorice. I had a full 40 hours of horrible hyper

symptoms, which felt like 'thyroid dump' as you and others have

described.

Thyroid dump happens when you don't have enough cortisol, right? I

assume i need to up my Isocort (haven't been able to tolerate cortisol

even at low dose of 5 mg before). However, when I do up my Isocort

initially, my heart palpitations go up too. I don't feel like i can

win. You said LOW FERRITIN may cause these hyper-like symptoms as

well. My ferritin was 37 (scale was 8-125 ug/L). Do you think I should

supplement with iron? If so, what brand do you recommend?

FYI, diagnosed as hypo in 8-07 and adrenal fatigue then too (but

nobody treated it until Feb 08). I just started on Isocort 4 weeks ago

and thyroid meds 3 weeks ago.

Thanks Val.

Metta

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> > > NO thyroid med will work for you properly as long as you are low in

> > > cortisl or Ferritin. Those two things are the usual cause of

problems

> > > especially wiht Armour. I would go to the thyroid dose that feel

> > > scpomfortable for now and try to get the adrenal treatmenmt you

> need to

> > > have to be able to optimize the thyroid.

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March 9, 2008

Whta you are describing is not a thyroid dump. A thyroid dump happens

when you have exess T3 built up in your blod (usually over range on a

Free T3 lab) and you rais cortils enough to allow it into the cells at

once, usually 20mg HC or more is needed for this to happen. What you are

describing is a typical low ferritin reaciton to thyroid. Yes Ferritin

needs ot be between 70-90 for proper thyroid utilization. I cannto

recommend a brand as I have not ever needed to take this myself but I do

know it takes 150-200 mg daily of elemental iron to raise this level. I

weould take what ever brand and tyoe agrees with you best.,

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March 9, 2008

>>Even when I got up to 15 mcg Synthroid the

other day, with only 2 1/2 Isocort pellets daily, I had MAJOR HYPER

symptoms - heart palpitations, massive anxiety, feeling manic/wired,

racing thoughts, and insomnia (not even curable by combinations of

sleeping pills!) for 2 days straight. I think this may have been a

'thyroid dump' but can't be sure. It was AWFUL.<<

What you are describing is NOT a thyroid dump but a REACTION to the thyroid meds

when your body cannot use them at all. Your doctor has a unique solution to this

nad I wil be interested to see if it works. Please keep us advised of your

progress.

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March 9, 2008

Metta

Thanks for sharing your experience. Where in CA? We are supposed to be

transferred

there in a few months. Maybe I will hold tight until I get there. Maybe I will

have better

luck with docs on the West coast!

Thanks again,

Loralee

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> > > NO thyroid med will work for you properly as long as you are low in

> > > cortisl or Ferritin. Those two things are the usual cause of problems

> > > especially wiht Armour. I would go to the thyroid dose that feel

> > > scpomfortable for now and try to get the adrenal treatmenmt you

> need to

> > > have to be able to optimize the thyroid.

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March 9, 2008

Thanks for the clarification Val. So you don't think the heart

palpitations, etc was from the Isocort? I was only on 2 1/2 pellets,

but still I thought maybe that was making me get the hyper symptoms.

It makes more sense that it was the thyroid meds, though, b/c I have

had this reaction before to Armour (at only 1/4 grain). Thanks!

Also, do you know of Isocort to have adrenaline-like substances in it

that cortisol does not?

thanks, metta

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> Whta you are describing is not a thyroid dump. A thyroid dump happens

> when you have exess T3 built up in your blod (usually over range on a

> Free T3 lab) and you rais cortils enough to allow it into the cells at

> once, usually 20mg HC or more is needed for this to happen. What you

are

> describing is a typical low ferritin reaciton to thyroid. Yes Ferritin

> needs ot be between 70-90 for proper thyroid utilization. I cannto

> recommend a brand as I have not ever needed to take this myself but

I do

> know it takes 150-200 mg daily of elemental iron to raise this level. I

> weould take what ever brand and tyoe agrees with you best.,

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March 10, 2008

Isocort only contains the cortex so no adrenaline substances in it.

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wrote:

> Isocort only contains the cortex so no adrenaline substances in it.

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Havne't some people said they get adrenaline rushes from Isocort? Maybe

I mis-remember, but I thought it was one reason some people did the

switch to HC.

sol

March 10, 2008

No adrenaline in Isocort but form WHOLE adrenal glandulars there may be

some adrenaline there.

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