Re: DON'T USE GLUATMATE! was what makes a difference for my sleep...

[Guest guest]

Sorry to hear it affected you so badly.

But yes, glutamate is a problem. It literally excites the brain

neurons to death. Free glutamate is in many things, not just MSG. I

have noticed many protein powders have excess levels of it. If the

powder shows an amino acid profile, you will notice it's usually the

highest amount of any other amino acid in the powder. Anytime

proteins are extracted from a source (which is how many protein

powders are made) there will be a high level of glutamate formed.

Magnesium can help counteract some of the adverse affects since it

works at the NMDA receptor.

Cindy

> >

> > > >

> > > > Here you are in a different universe!

> > > >

> > > >Hi, ,

> > >

> > >Yep, here I am...I recognized you from your first post, but haven't

> > >had a chance to contact you.

> > >

> > >I have seen your comments on the glutamate/glutamine issue. I do

> > >agree with you that glutamine is necessary for life and it is

> > >ubiquitous. However, I don't think everyone's tolerance is the

> same.

> > >

> > >I know for a certainty what happens when my family consumes MSG or

> > >high amounts of free glutamine. These reactions are not subjective

> > >or inconsistent. For us, migraines and sleepless nights are the

> > >rule. It happens to my girls whether they are with me or spending a

> > >week with their grandparents and, unbeknownst to everyone, cosnume

> a

> > >small amount of say, soy sauce hard cheese (other dairy is fine).

> > >Granny will call the next day and say K didn't sleep a wink. What

> > >could have caused it....we go over the menu, and there it is.

> > >

> > >I feel very strongly that gut health influences one's tolerances to

> > >the glutamate/glutamine/amines. Dr. Natasha Mc-Bride has

> > >talked about this. Also, there is a tie-in between oxalates and

> > >glutamate. My family also has a MAO genetic abnormality that makes

> > >us more sensitive to amines in general. (Yes, I realize there is a

> > >difference between glutamine and other amines). I have also seen

> > >studies that show people with low iron have a lower tolerance for

> > >amines.

> > >

> > >Some people, including some on the spectrum, do better on a lower

> > >protein diet. The amines may be part of that, as well as the

> > >hydroxyproline and oxalates issue.

> > >

> > >Our diet is limited in so many different ways, and I have hope that

> > >it will expand. We are still low-oxalate on top of everything else.

> > >Within the last six months, we have found the endocrine problems to

> > >be a big contributor to the health issues. We are really focusing

> on

> > >correcting those and the gut problems.

> > >

> > >I hope your daughter is doing well. The folks on this list are

> > >fabulous, and are a great source of information!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry to hear it affected you so badly.

But yes, glutamate is a problem. It literally excites the brain

neurons to death. Free glutamate is in many things, not just MSG. I

have noticed many protein powders have excess levels of it. If the

powder shows an amino acid profile, you will notice it's usually the

highest amount of any other amino acid in the powder. Anytime

proteins are extracted from a source (which is how many protein

powders are made) there will be a high level of glutamate formed.

Magnesium can help counteract some of the adverse affects since it

works at the NMDA receptor.

Cindy

> >

> > > >

> > > > Here you are in a different universe!

> > > >

> > > >Hi, ,

> > >

> > >Yep, here I am...I recognized you from your first post, but haven't

> > >had a chance to contact you.

> > >

> > >I have seen your comments on the glutamate/glutamine issue. I do

> > >agree with you that glutamine is necessary for life and it is

> > >ubiquitous. However, I don't think everyone's tolerance is the

> same.

> > >

> > >I know for a certainty what happens when my family consumes MSG or

> > >high amounts of free glutamine. These reactions are not subjective

> > >or inconsistent. For us, migraines and sleepless nights are the

> > >rule. It happens to my girls whether they are with me or spending a

> > >week with their grandparents and, unbeknownst to everyone, cosnume

> a

> > >small amount of say, soy sauce hard cheese (other dairy is fine).

> > >Granny will call the next day and say K didn't sleep a wink. What

> > >could have caused it....we go over the menu, and there it is.

> > >

> > >I feel very strongly that gut health influences one's tolerances to

> > >the glutamate/glutamine/amines. Dr. Natasha Mc-Bride has

> > >talked about this. Also, there is a tie-in between oxalates and

> > >glutamate. My family also has a MAO genetic abnormality that makes

> > >us more sensitive to amines in general. (Yes, I realize there is a

> > >difference between glutamine and other amines). I have also seen

> > >studies that show people with low iron have a lower tolerance for

> > >amines.

> > >

> > >Some people, including some on the spectrum, do better on a lower

> > >protein diet. The amines may be part of that, as well as the

> > >hydroxyproline and oxalates issue.

> > >

> > >Our diet is limited in so many different ways, and I have hope that

> > >it will expand. We are still low-oxalate on top of everything else.

> > >Within the last six months, we have found the endocrine problems to

> > >be a big contributor to the health issues. We are really focusing

> on

> > >correcting those and the gut problems.

> > >

> > >I hope your daughter is doing well. The folks on this list are

> > >fabulous, and are a great source of information!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry to hear it affected you so badly.

But yes, glutamate is a problem. It literally excites the brain

neurons to death. Free glutamate is in many things, not just MSG. I

have noticed many protein powders have excess levels of it. If the

powder shows an amino acid profile, you will notice it's usually the

highest amount of any other amino acid in the powder. Anytime

proteins are extracted from a source (which is how many protein

powders are made) there will be a high level of glutamate formed.

Magnesium can help counteract some of the adverse affects since it

works at the NMDA receptor.

Cindy

> >

> > > >

> > > > Here you are in a different universe!

> > > >

> > > >Hi, ,

> > >

> > >Yep, here I am...I recognized you from your first post, but haven't

> > >had a chance to contact you.

> > >

> > >I have seen your comments on the glutamate/glutamine issue. I do

> > >agree with you that glutamine is necessary for life and it is

> > >ubiquitous. However, I don't think everyone's tolerance is the

> same.

> > >

> > >I know for a certainty what happens when my family consumes MSG or

> > >high amounts of free glutamine. These reactions are not subjective

> > >or inconsistent. For us, migraines and sleepless nights are the

> > >rule. It happens to my girls whether they are with me or spending a

> > >week with their grandparents and, unbeknownst to everyone, cosnume

> a

> > >small amount of say, soy sauce hard cheese (other dairy is fine).

> > >Granny will call the next day and say K didn't sleep a wink. What

> > >could have caused it....we go over the menu, and there it is.

> > >

> > >I feel very strongly that gut health influences one's tolerances to

> > >the glutamate/glutamine/amines. Dr. Natasha Mc-Bride has

> > >talked about this. Also, there is a tie-in between oxalates and

> > >glutamate. My family also has a MAO genetic abnormality that makes

> > >us more sensitive to amines in general. (Yes, I realize there is a

> > >difference between glutamine and other amines). I have also seen

> > >studies that show people with low iron have a lower tolerance for

> > >amines.

> > >

> > >Some people, including some on the spectrum, do better on a lower

> > >protein diet. The amines may be part of that, as well as the

> > >hydroxyproline and oxalates issue.

> > >

> > >Our diet is limited in so many different ways, and I have hope that

> > >it will expand. We are still low-oxalate on top of everything else.

> > >Within the last six months, we have found the endocrine problems to

> > >be a big contributor to the health issues. We are really focusing

> on

> > >correcting those and the gut problems.

> > >

> > >I hope your daughter is doing well. The folks on this list are

> > >fabulous, and are a great source of information!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Liz,

Do you mean L-Glutamine? What actually did you take? Brand? Dosage?

thanks,

sol

Liz Hensley wrote:

> I was having autistic melt downs! I still haven't recovered socially from that

or the damage I did before when I made the mistake of going off Prozac. On

glutamate I went four days laying there all night long not sleeping at all. I

was having 24/7 migraines from sleep deprivation. It had been years since I was

that bad!

[Guest guest]

Liz,

Do you mean L-Glutamine? What actually did you take? Brand? Dosage?

thanks,

sol

Liz Hensley wrote:

> I was having autistic melt downs! I still haven't recovered socially from that

or the damage I did before when I made the mistake of going off Prozac. On

glutamate I went four days laying there all night long not sleeping at all. I

was having 24/7 migraines from sleep deprivation. It had been years since I was

that bad!

[Guest guest]

Liz,

Do you mean L-Glutamine? What actually did you take? Brand? Dosage?

thanks,

sol

Liz Hensley wrote:

> I was having autistic melt downs! I still haven't recovered socially from that

or the damage I did before when I made the mistake of going off Prozac. On

glutamate I went four days laying there all night long not sleeping at all. I

was having 24/7 migraines from sleep deprivation. It had been years since I was

that bad!

[Guest guest]

Yes, please clarify this. As others have said, free glutamate is the

problem. Glutamine bound to proteins in real food is no problem

whatsoever, it's when it is separated out " isolated " that it becomes

free glutamic acid which is the excitoxin. I react to MSG, and i've

noticed my daughter has terrible reactions to it, and also to parmesan

cheese which is EXTREMELY high in free glutamate.

L-glutamine as a supplement is recommended for those with intestinal

issues as it has been proven to aid in intestinal healing and i'd like

to learn more to know if this form would be absorbed as glutamine or

would it be free glutamate...if anyone knows about that let me know!

thanks,

Liz

> > I was having autistic melt downs! I still haven't recovered

socially from that or the damage I did before when I made the mistake

of going off Prozac. On glutamate I went four days laying there all

night long not sleeping at all. I was having 24/7 migraines from sleep

deprivation. It had been years since I was that bad!

>

[Guest guest]

Hi. so - is there a protein powder that you could recommend or is this in all of

them?

Thanks,

Re: DON'T USE GLUATMATE! was what makes a difference

for my sleep...

Yes, please clarify this. As others have said, free glutamate is the

problem. Glutamine bound to proteins in real food is no problem

whatsoever, it's when it is separated out " isolated " that it becomes

free glutamic acid which is the excitoxin. I react to MSG, and i've

noticed my daughter has terrible reactions to it, and also to parmesan

cheese which is EXTREMELY high in free glutamate.

L-glutamine as a supplement is recommended for those with intestinal

issues as it has been proven to aid in intestinal healing and i'd like

to learn more to know if this form would be absorbed as glutamine or

would it be free glutamate...if anyone knows about that let me know!

thanks,

Liz