Re: Days 1-10 of cycle - Progesterone Cream use? Please advise.

[Guest guest]

>>I am wondering if my body is interpreting the progesterone as

cortisol or using the excess progesterone to produce cortisol. I

know from the hormone cascade that there is little difference between

progesterone and cortisol, and that progesterone can be converted

into cortisol.<<

We just had a discussion about this on here this mornign in which a member got

angry as I expressed the opinion that progesterone in adrenal fatigued patients,

seldom makes it through the FIVE plus conversions to the needed cortiosl. Taking

prohormones for a deficiency seldom works. If that were the case we all could

take progesterone and fix our cortiosl deficiencies, but it usually is not that

simple, in fact on 4 years of talking to low cortisl people I have not ever seen

progesterone use bring up cortisoll levels, draw your own conclusions.

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[Guest guest]

That is great information, Thanks Val. I think that helps me narrow it down to

the fact that I am 38 and entering perimenopause and the progesterone is needed.

I was leaning towards the theory that the my body'e response to the sudden drop

in the 10 days was the cause. Now I just need to figure out if tapering the

dose helps or if I should just add in a small dose for the entire time. Just

some fine-tuning of my treatment protocol.

Thank you for your response and the information. I have learned so much from

you, all of you.

Marva

artisticgroomer@...> wrote:

>>I am wondering if my body is interpreting the progesterone as

cortisol or using the excess progesterone to produce cortisol. I

know from the hormone cascade that there is little difference between

progesterone and cortisol, and that progesterone can be converted

into cortisol.<<

We just had a discussion about this on here this mornign in which a member got

angry as I expressed the opinion that progesterone in adrenal fatigued patients,

seldom makes it through the FIVE plus conversions to the needed cortiosl. Taking

prohormones for a deficiency seldom works. If that were the case we all could

take progesterone and fix our cortiosl deficiencies, but it usually is not that

simple, in fact on 4 years of talking to low cortisl people I have not ever seen

progesterone use bring up cortisoll levels, draw your own conclusions.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

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[Guest guest]

" mjolly01 " wrote:

> I am using a bio-

> identical progesterone cream on days 10-28 of my cycle to alleviate

> headaches. I begin using 30mg for days 10-15, 60 mg for days 16-

23, and then 30 mg for days 24-28. So far it has shown great

improvement in my migraines. I am truly impressed.

> The 10 day break seems to help in that regard.

> The problem I am having is those 10 days are the worst part of the

> month. I have noticed a sharp decline in my temps (both basal and

> averaged daily) of between 1-1.5 degrees (97.0-97.4 degrees average

> with lows of 96.9).

Check out the charts on this link.

http://biology.clc.uc.edu/courses/bio105/sexual.htm

Your temps are SUPPOSED to be lower in the first part of your cycle,

until you ovulate, then they are supposed to rise.

> I am wondering if adding a small amount (10mg or so) during days 1-

10 may help. Or maybe tapering down to a smaller dose over the first

few days of my cycle (ie. Days 1 and 2=20 mg, days 3-4 = 10 mg,

etc).

My advice, based on the link above, is not to add progesterone to

days 1-10. It is supposed to be low then and only rise after

ovulation. If you want a smoother transition, you would decrease

toward the end of your cycle. Instead of doing 30 mg for days 24-28,

do 30, 30, 20, 10, 10. In other words, mimic the natural rhythm

shown on the chart.

Barb

[Guest guest]

Thanks. I will check that!

Barb baba@...> wrote: " mjolly01 " wrote:

> I am using a bio-

> identical progesterone cream on days 10-28 of my cycle to alleviate

> headaches. I begin using 30mg for days 10-15, 60 mg for days 16-

23, and then 30 mg for days 24-28. So far it has shown great

improvement in my migraines. I am truly impressed.

> The 10 day break seems to help in that regard.

> The problem I am having is those 10 days are the worst part of the

> month. I have noticed a sharp decline in my temps (both basal and

> averaged daily) of between 1-1.5 degrees (97.0-97.4 degrees average

> with lows of 96.9).

Check out the charts on this link.

http://biology.clc.uc.edu/courses/bio105/sexual.htm

Your temps are SUPPOSED to be lower in the first part of your cycle,

until you ovulate, then they are supposed to rise.

> I am wondering if adding a small amount (10mg or so) during days 1-

10 may help. Or maybe tapering down to a smaller dose over the first

few days of my cycle (ie. Days 1 and 2=20 mg, days 3-4 = 10 mg,

etc).

My advice, based on the link above, is not to add progesterone to

days 1-10. It is supposed to be low then and only rise after

ovulation. If you want a smoother transition, you would decrease

toward the end of your cycle. Instead of doing 30 mg for days 24-28,

do 30, 30, 20, 10, 10. In other words, mimic the natural rhythm

shown on the chart.

Barb

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[Guest guest]

Mother hormone pregnenolone is converted to cortisol,progesterone,estrogen and

others. so it could be that if one is taking progesterone,than,the part of

pregnenolone which will be used to produce progesterone will be used in

production of other hormones including cortisol.

bw

Nil

Days 1-10 of cycle - Progesterone Cream use? Please

advise.

I am a bit perplexed and wanted to get your advice and comments. I

have been tracking my temps for the past 3 months. I am using a bio-

identical progesterone cream on days 10-28 of my cycle to alleviate

headaches. I begin using 30mg for days 10-15, 60 mg for days 16-23,

and then 30 mg for days 24-28. So far it has shown great improvement

in my migraines. I am truly impressed.

[Guest guest]

Just to summarize the reason for basal temp dropping before ovulation: what I

remember

from " The Garden of Fertility " is the explanation that eggs require lower

temperatures to

develop in the same way that men's testacles are kept outside the body because

the sperm

need a lower temperature, too. Then when the egg is mature and released

(ovulation) basal

temps go back up.

It was a perspective that made a lot of sense to me so I thought I'd share.

Now I'm going to go read the link Barb gave . . . :-)

Lia

>

> Check out the charts on this link.

> http://biology.clc.uc.edu/courses/bio105/sexual.htm

> Your temps are SUPPOSED to be lower in the first part of your cycle,

> until you ovulate, then they are supposed to rise.

>

[Guest guest]

That seems to make sense as well. Thank you for the insight.

Marva

Nil yildiz22@...> wrote:

Mother hormone pregnenolone is converted to

cortisol,progesterone,estrogen and others. so it could be that if one is taking

progesterone,than,the part of pregnenolone which will be used to produce

progesterone will be used in production of other hormones including cortisol.

bw

Nil

Days 1-10 of cycle - Progesterone Cream use? Please

advise.

I am a bit perplexed and wanted to get your advice and comments. I

have been tracking my temps for the past 3 months. I am using a bio-

identical progesterone cream on days 10-28 of my cycle to alleviate

headaches. I begin using 30mg for days 10-15, 60 mg for days 16-23,

and then 30 mg for days 24-28. So far it has shown great improvement

in my migraines. I am truly impressed.

[Guest guest]

Yes, the female's body needs to be kept cool for the sperm, since

they will die at higher temperatures. If the egg is fertilized, it

then needs a higher temp to incubate and thrive. Since humans don't

sit on their eggs, a woman's temp just goes up.

Barb

" calliopeinak " wrote:

>

> Just to summarize the reason for basal temp dropping before

ovulation: what I remember

> from " The Garden of Fertility " is the explanation that eggs require

lower temperatures to

> develop in the same way that men's testacles are kept outside the

body because the sperm

> need a lower temperature, too. Then when the egg is mature and

released (ovulation) basal

> temps go back up.

>

> It was a perspective that made a lot of sense to me so I thought

I'd share.

>

> Now I'm going to go read the link Barb gave . . . :-)

>

> Lia

>

>

> >

> > Check out the charts on this link.

> > http://biology.clc.uc.edu/courses/bio105/sexual.htm

> > Your temps are SUPPOSED to be lower in the first part of your

cycle,

> > until you ovulate, then they are supposed to rise.

> >

>