Re: a possible anger answer?

[Guest guest]

I do not know if you are of " the age " , but the intense anger I felt

was from very low estrogen. HC has never made me feel angry.

Darla

>

> i've posted about feeling surges of anger/aggression since getting

on

> hc and see alot of others have felt this as well but several of you

> think it could be a result of low cortisol instead of the hc.

>

> i just thought of something instead that i wondered if any of you

> thought could be a possibility, and that is since my adrenal

fatigue

> was so severe for so long that the feeling of anger/aggression i

> sometimes feel taking hc is more a result of my metabolism waking

up or

> perhaps an adrenaline rush rather than the hc itself? i think i

feel

> better overall on it and sometimes get a calming feeling with it so

i

> wondered if there is something else that could be causing those

> feelings?

>

> i wouldn't be asking so much about it other than i can't express to

you

> just how scary these feelings are. i feel literally like i could

snap

> and do something horrible they are SO intense so looking for

answers as

> to what this could be?!!

>

[Guest guest]

darla, i actually have estrogen dominance with very low progesterone.

i used progesterone cream for several months, and although i know

it's helped many others it made matters worse for me...again i think

bc at the time i was looking at labs trying one thing at a time and

think hypo/adrenal fatigue is the issue even hypo causing some

estrogen dominance vs low progesterone being the issue.

i'm trying to figure out the anger issue coming up with these

possibilities of my own and gathered from responses here:

1. too low of cortisol

2. too high of a dose too quickly as rhonda suggested

3. metabolism jump starting/adrenaline rush making me feel aggression

4. any other suggestions????

i was monitoring when the anger came and seemed to hours after my

dose indicating low cortisol but i've noticed a bit of it now even

soon after a dose so wonder if i'm on too much? not enough? an

adrenaline rush? just really confused!!!! i'm on 7.5-5-5-2.5 and my

cortisol levels were near zip before starting

> >

> > i've posted about feeling surges of anger/aggression since

getting

> on

> > hc and see alot of others have felt this as well but several

of you

> > think it could be a result of low cortisol instead of the hc.

> >

> > i just thought of something instead that i wondered if any of

you

> > thought could be a possibility, and that is since my adrenal

> fatigue

> > was so severe for so long that the feeling of

anger/aggression i

> > sometimes feel taking hc is more a result of my metabolism

waking

> up or

> > perhaps an adrenaline rush rather than the hc itself? i think

i

> feel

> > better overall on it and sometimes get a calming feeling with

it so

> i

> > wondered if there is something else that could be causing

those

> > feelings?

> >

> > i wouldn't be asking so much about it other than i can't

express to

> you

> > just how scary these feelings are. i feel literally like i

could

> snap

> > and do something horrible they are SO intense so looking for

> answers as

> > to what this could be?!!

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Glad to help. :-)

Darla

> >

> > i've posted about feeling surges of anger/aggression since

getting

> on

> > hc and see alot of others have felt this as well but several

of you

> > think it could be a result of low cortisol instead of the hc.

> >

> > i just thought of something instead that i wondered if any of

you

> > thought could be a possibility, and that is since my adrenal

> fatigue

> > was so severe for so long that the feeling of

anger/aggression i

> > sometimes feel taking hc is more a result of my metabolism

waking

> up or

> > perhaps an adrenaline rush rather than the hc itself? i think

i

> feel

> > better overall on it and sometimes get a calming feeling with

it so

> i

> > wondered if there is something else that could be causing

those

> > feelings?

> >

> > i wouldn't be asking so much about it other than i can't

express to

> you

> > just how scary these feelings are. i feel literally like i

could

> snap

> > and do something horrible they are SO intense so looking for

> answers as

> > to what this could be?!!

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Shar,

Progesterone cream made me nuts. Not sure why. According to labs I am

very low.

Did you have your estrogen tested while on BC? I am not sure that

would work out very well.

Maybe Val will have more on this.

Darla

>

> darla, i actually have estrogen dominance with very low

progesterone.

> i used progesterone cream for several months, and although i know

> it's helped many others it made matters worse for me...again i

think

> bc at the time i was looking at labs trying one thing at a time and

> think hypo/adrenal fatigue is the issue even hypo causing some

> estrogen dominance vs low progesterone being the issue.

>

> i'm trying to figure out the anger issue coming up with these

> possibilities of my own and gathered from responses here:

> 1. too low of cortisol

> 2. too high of a dose too quickly as rhonda suggested

> 3. metabolism jump starting/adrenaline rush making me feel

aggression

> 4. any other suggestions????

>

> i was monitoring when the anger came and seemed to hours after my

> dose indicating low cortisol but i've noticed a bit of it now even

> soon after a dose so wonder if i'm on too much? not enough? an

> adrenaline rush? just really confused!!!! i'm on 7.5-5-5-2.5 and my

> cortisol levels were near zip before starting

[Guest guest]

darla, the progesterone cream made me nuts as well and according to

my labs i had zilch progesterone which is why i tried it per their

recommendation to begin with. i stuck with it a little over 3 months

and it did lessen my heavy periods but i would get more ups and downs

with depression/anxiety, had horrible night sweats, fluctuations with

weight and bloating on and off so i stopped it. again i think now

what i thought was low progesterone symptoms were more hypo/adrenal

fatigue and i might have exacerbated those in trying the cream.

as for bc pills i haven't been on them for years. ironically they

seemed to help reverse my hypo symptoms at a point years ago but

stopped being effective after a couple years and ever since i tried

thereafter just caused more problems than good, so not sure why i had

such low progesterone and high estrogen labs...maybe due to hypo?

> >

> > darla, i actually have estrogen dominance with very low

> progesterone.

> > i used progesterone cream for several months, and although i know

> > it's helped many others it made matters worse for me...again i

> think

> > bc at the time i was looking at labs trying one thing at a time

and

> > think hypo/adrenal fatigue is the issue even hypo causing some

> > estrogen dominance vs low progesterone being the issue.

> >

> > i'm trying to figure out the anger issue coming up with these

> > possibilities of my own and gathered from responses here:

> > 1. too low of cortisol

> > 2. too high of a dose too quickly as rhonda suggested

> > 3. metabolism jump starting/adrenaline rush making me feel

> aggression

> > 4. any other suggestions????

> >

> > i was monitoring when the anger came and seemed to hours after my

> > dose indicating low cortisol but i've noticed a bit of it now

even

> > soon after a dose so wonder if i'm on too much? not enough? an

> > adrenaline rush? just really confused!!!! i'm on 7.5-5-5-2.5 and

my

> > cortisol levels were near zip before starting

>

[Guest guest]

rhonda it does sound like we have alot in common with this. the more

i read and ask the more i am thinking this is a surge of adrenaline

that's making me feel angry/aggressive. i was feeling good too when

starting the hc, calmer yet more energetic like my body was

saying " OMG THANKS FOR THIS " then when i started ramping up i would

feel these aggressive rushes, sometimes to the point of pure panic

and i'd have to take ativan to calm down. other times i feel calm

taking the hc and i know overall it should have that effect and i

read alot online about how low cortisol causes aggressive/impulsive

feelings.

so i'm concluding (i think) that my body being so low on adrenal

reserves for so long and my cortisol levels flatlined before taking

the hc that now that it's finally getting it my body is

saying 'thanks' on one hand but 'whoa...we're not used to this!' on

the other causing a surge of adrenaline leading to these feelings?

does that seem to make sense?

maybe i should taper the dose down too? did you find the feelings

subsided when you did? are you planning to ramp up again just slower?

yes i also would get some headaches when i felt the anger rushes too.

i just want to figure this out so much bc i know my body NEEDS the hc

but i don't want to assume wrongly that i need more or less ect.

until i figure it out more bc these feelings are very scary! can the

adrenaline rush cause this???

> > >

> > > i've posted about feeling surges of anger/aggression since

> getting

> > on

> > > hc and see alot of others have felt this as well but

several

> of you

> > > think it could be a result of low cortisol instead of the

hc.

> > >

> > > i just thought of something instead that i wondered if any

of

> you

> > > thought could be a possibility, and that is since my

adrenal

> > fatigue

> > > was so severe for so long that the feeling of

> anger/aggression i

> > > sometimes feel taking hc is more a result of my metabolism

> waking

> > up or

> > > perhaps an adrenaline rush rather than the hc itself? i

think

> i

> > feel

> > > better overall on it and sometimes get a calming feeling

with

> it so

> > i

> > > wondered if there is something else that could be causing

> those

> > > feelings?

> > >

> > > i wouldn't be asking so much about it other than i can't

> express to

> > you

> > > just how scary these feelings are. i feel literally like i

> could

> > snap

> > > and do something horrible they are SO intense so looking

for

> > answers as

> > > to what this could be?!!

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

TY val...would you suggest then i lower hc a little and if so, hold

for how long before ramping up again to what level?

i'm at 7.5-5-5.2.5 now

>

> I think it is neurotransmitter related . Cortisol affect these

levels in

> the brain. Lack of cortisol causes adaptive states in some people

and

> especially in long term low cortisol situations. I believe the way

to

> lessen this affect would be to ramp it up slower so the adapting

> neurotransmitters are slowly lowered to normal levels as you raise

the

> cortisol.

>

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[Guest guest]

I have had the angry feelings also. I don't feel like snapping, but I do get

angry with my husband. It is like all the old stuff comes to surface now I am

able to deal with it. Could it be from too high of a dose too quickly??? This

what I wondered. I also have the adrenaline rushes. I am not able to relax and

take it easy, so I am not sure if it is because I have a lot of physical work

each day. Let me know if you figue it out. Rhonda

a possible anger answer?

i've posted about feeling surges of anger/aggression since getting on

hc and see alot of others have felt this as well but several of you

think it could be a result of low cortisol instead of the hc.

i just thought of something instead that i wondered if any of you

thought could be a possibility, and that is since my adrenal fatigue

was so severe for so long that the feeling of anger/aggression i

sometimes feel taking hc is more a result of my metabolism waking up or

perhaps an adrenaline rush rather than the hc itself? i think i feel

better overall on it and sometimes get a calming feeling with it so i

wondered if there is something else that could be causing those

feelings?

i wouldn't be asking so much about it other than i can't express to you

just how scary these feelings are. i feel literally like i could snap

and do something horrible they are SO intense so looking for answers as

to what this could be?!!

[Guest guest]

For the " anger " question, I know there might still be some hormonal

issues I haven't worked out, but sometimes I just get so angry because

of the frustration of being sick for so long. I'm so limited in what I

can do, my body just won't " go " like it used to, and I feel like a

substandard wife and mother.

I also get angry because I'll get better for a little while, then

replapse again for seemingly no reason. It's like a rude little game my

body is playing with me.

It makes me very frustrated sometimes and I wonder if

the " helplessness " of being chronically ill can also contribute to

those anger feelings?

Sara in MI