Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 nafoel wrote: > Just saw this thread. Just as a comment...my cholesterol lowered > from 200 to 140 this year....only thing I did differently was start > HC and Cytomel in April. My diet stayed the same...with the > exception of adding coconut oil. I always thought it was the > coconut oil...but could it be the HC or t3??? > > Is it too low? Seems I read somewhere that low was not so good. http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/cholesterol_myth_4.html > > Low cholesterol means more strokes > > > > Published at about the same time was a very large study in Japan, > > covering two decades, which concluded that low levels of blood > > cholesterol also increase the incidence of stroke. > > > > Over the past few decades, Japan has experienced a rapid change in its > > living and eating patterns. The Japanese are eating more total fat, > > saturated fatty acids and cholesterol, animal fats and protein, and > > less rice and vegetables. This has provided a unique opportunity for a > > large-scale, natural experiment into the effects of those changes. > > > > Investigators have shown that this change to Western and urban eating > > patterns, departing as it does from centuries old traditions, has been > > accompanied by a general lowering of blood pressure and a large > > decline in the incidence of stroke deaths and cerebral haemorrhage > > between the 1960s and the 1980s. They attribute this decline to an > > increase in blood cholesterol levels over the period. Supporting their > > findings were the results of a follow-up of 350,000 men screened for > > the MRFIT in the United States that showed that the risk of death from > > cerebral haemorrhage in middle-aged men was six times greater if they > > had low blood cholesterol levels. > > > > On Christmas Eve, 1997, yet one more study's results were headlined in > > the press. The Framingham researchers said that " Serum cholesterol > > level is not related to incidence of stroke . . . " and showed that for > > every three percent more energy from fat eaten, strokes would be cut > > by fifteen percent. They conclude: > > " Intakes of fat and type of fat were not related to the incidence of > > the combined outcome of all cardiovascular diseases or to total or > > cardiovascular mortality. " > > > > So, after forty-nine years of research, they are still saying that > > there is no relation between a fatty diet and heart disease. The > > evidence now is clear and unequivocal: animal fats are not harmful. > > > > Two more studies, which considered total blood cholesterol levels and > > mortality in the elderly, were published in the Lancet almost > > simultaneously in 1997. In the first, scientists working at the Leiden > > University Medical Centre found that > > " each 1 mmol/l increase in total cholesterol corresponded to a 15% > > decrease in mortality " . > > > > Similarly, doctors at Reykjavik Hospital and Heart Preventive Clinic > > in Iceland noted that the major epidemiological studies had not > > included the elderly. They too studied total mortality and blood > > cholesterol in the over 80s to show that men with blood cholesterol > > levels over 6.5 had less than half the mortality of those whose > > cholesterol level was around the 5.2 we are told is " healthy " . > > Low cholesterol and Alzheimer's Disease > > > > Approximately half of the brain is made up of fats. Dr. F. M.Corrigan > > and colleagues, writing in 1991 about the relief of Alzheimer's > > Disease, ask that " strategies for increasing the delivery of > > cholesterol to the brain should be identified " . In the fight against > > Alzheimer's disease, they recommend increasing fat intake. > > And at the other end of life > > > > In 1991 the US National Cholesterol Education Programme recommended > > that children over two years old should adopt a low-fat, > > low-cholesterol diet to prevent CHD in later life. A table showing a > > good correlation between fat and cholesterol intakes and blood > > cholesterol in seven to nine-year-old boys from six countries > > supported this advice. What it did not show, however, was the strong > > correlation between blood cholesterol and childhood deaths in those > > countries. These are at Table V. As is clearly demonstrated, the death > > rate rises dramatically as blood cholesterol levels fall. So for > > children too, low blood cholesterol is unhealthy. > sol > > >> Val, >> Just wondering, in case my latest cholesterol of 143 is NOT a >> > lab > >> error, would that be an indication of too much T3? >> thanks, >> sol >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 nafoel wrote: > Just saw this thread. Just as a comment...my cholesterol lowered > from 200 to 140 this year....only thing I did differently was start > HC and Cytomel in April. My diet stayed the same...with the > exception of adding coconut oil. I always thought it was the > coconut oil...but could it be the HC or t3??? > > Is it too low? Seems I read somewhere that low was not so good. http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/cholesterol_myth_4.html > > Low cholesterol means more strokes > > > > Published at about the same time was a very large study in Japan, > > covering two decades, which concluded that low levels of blood > > cholesterol also increase the incidence of stroke. > > > > Over the past few decades, Japan has experienced a rapid change in its > > living and eating patterns. The Japanese are eating more total fat, > > saturated fatty acids and cholesterol, animal fats and protein, and > > less rice and vegetables. This has provided a unique opportunity for a > > large-scale, natural experiment into the effects of those changes. > > > > Investigators have shown that this change to Western and urban eating > > patterns, departing as it does from centuries old traditions, has been > > accompanied by a general lowering of blood pressure and a large > > decline in the incidence of stroke deaths and cerebral haemorrhage > > between the 1960s and the 1980s. They attribute this decline to an > > increase in blood cholesterol levels over the period. Supporting their > > findings were the results of a follow-up of 350,000 men screened for > > the MRFIT in the United States that showed that the risk of death from > > cerebral haemorrhage in middle-aged men was six times greater if they > > had low blood cholesterol levels. > > > > On Christmas Eve, 1997, yet one more study's results were headlined in > > the press. The Framingham researchers said that " Serum cholesterol > > level is not related to incidence of stroke . . . " and showed that for > > every three percent more energy from fat eaten, strokes would be cut > > by fifteen percent. They conclude: > > " Intakes of fat and type of fat were not related to the incidence of > > the combined outcome of all cardiovascular diseases or to total or > > cardiovascular mortality. " > > > > So, after forty-nine years of research, they are still saying that > > there is no relation between a fatty diet and heart disease. The > > evidence now is clear and unequivocal: animal fats are not harmful. > > > > Two more studies, which considered total blood cholesterol levels and > > mortality in the elderly, were published in the Lancet almost > > simultaneously in 1997. In the first, scientists working at the Leiden > > University Medical Centre found that > > " each 1 mmol/l increase in total cholesterol corresponded to a 15% > > decrease in mortality " . > > > > Similarly, doctors at Reykjavik Hospital and Heart Preventive Clinic > > in Iceland noted that the major epidemiological studies had not > > included the elderly. They too studied total mortality and blood > > cholesterol in the over 80s to show that men with blood cholesterol > > levels over 6.5 had less than half the mortality of those whose > > cholesterol level was around the 5.2 we are told is " healthy " . > > Low cholesterol and Alzheimer's Disease > > > > Approximately half of the brain is made up of fats. Dr. F. M.Corrigan > > and colleagues, writing in 1991 about the relief of Alzheimer's > > Disease, ask that " strategies for increasing the delivery of > > cholesterol to the brain should be identified " . In the fight against > > Alzheimer's disease, they recommend increasing fat intake. > > And at the other end of life > > > > In 1991 the US National Cholesterol Education Programme recommended > > that children over two years old should adopt a low-fat, > > low-cholesterol diet to prevent CHD in later life. A table showing a > > good correlation between fat and cholesterol intakes and blood > > cholesterol in seven to nine-year-old boys from six countries > > supported this advice. What it did not show, however, was the strong > > correlation between blood cholesterol and childhood deaths in those > > countries. These are at Table V. As is clearly demonstrated, the death > > rate rises dramatically as blood cholesterol levels fall. So for > > children too, low blood cholesterol is unhealthy. > sol > > >> Val, >> Just wondering, in case my latest cholesterol of 143 is NOT a >> > lab > >> error, would that be an indication of too much T3? >> thanks, >> sol >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 " nafoel " wrote: > Is there a correlaton between too much t3 and too low cholesterol? When I was naturally hyper, before my RAI, I believe my cholesterol was somewhere in the 130s. When I got a little hypo, it crept up towards 200, but now is back around 180. So I think yes, there is a definite correlation, since high cholesterol is a known marker for low thyroid. I would think it being low was just a sign of the accelerated metabolism. Body probably was using it up faster than the liver could generate it! I think I was even getting full bowel movements 3x/day (sorry if TMI)! Barb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 >>Just wondering, in case my latest cholesterol of 143 is NOT a lab error, would that be an indication of too much T3?<< It is possible as hyperthyroid does carry that as a symptom. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 Well how the heck did I go so hyper and didn't even notice? I looked up hyper symptoms last night and do have some. But they are symptoms I've had off and on for decades. This could be another clue I've had Hashi's a long time and been doing the hyper/hypo swings............... I have cut back my T3 dosage, and truthfully feel like stopping it altogether. Is that risky? Should I taper down? How fast can one cut back on thyroid? And should I wean HC at the same time? sol wrote: >>> Just wondering, in case my latest cholesterol of 143 is NOT a lab >>> > error, would that be an indication of too much T3?<< > > It is possible as hyperthyroid does carry that as a symptom. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 I thinkpanicking and stopping thryoid is VERY bad for you. Hypo CAN KILL you. Look at me in Congestive Heart Failure at 40 years old. Lowering it is wise, but not much, say to 75mcg. Then retesting. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 Yes, I am in a panic here, no kidding. This could also be due to liver disease, or kidney disease or both, I think. So lower T3, start weaning HC also? Can I start switching to dessicated thyroid now? Am I right in thinking dessicated doesn't seem to cause this drastic lowering of cholesterol? sol T wrote: > I thinkpanicking and stopping thryoid is VERY bad for you. Hypo CAN KILL > you. Look at me in Congestive Heart Failure at 40 years old. Lowering it > is wise, but not much, say to 75mcg. Then retesting. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 I think ANY thyroid that takes T3 too high lowers cholesterol and probabyl the higher you go the lower the cholesteroel. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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