Re: Went to Thierry Hertoghe's clinic in Belgium (report)

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I will be very interested to see how you make out wiht this! COngrats on

getting t see what must be good doctors if they are under Hertoghe's

tutilage! As for not feeling full, add some good BUTTER to those

veggies! Fats help you feel satiated after eating and also slo digestion

so you feel full longer. They are also excellent for blood sugar

regulation.

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ajapi79 wrote:

> I also got a bunch of dietary advice, and I've started changing my

> diet: I started eating meat, since apparently (almost) all vegetarian

> sources of protein are poisonous to us. I also dropped off all grains,

> including rice as well as potatoe. Apparently it's ok to have some of

> this stuff as long as you pack it all into just two days per week,

>

I never heard that before. Interesting.

> which should make it a bit easier. I've just noticed that I'm still

> hungry after a meal of meat and vegetables, but I guess it'll just

> take the body some time to get used to all of this.

>

I personally think some of that being hungry after a meal with adequate

protein and some veg is due to simple habit. For all my childhood and

most of my adulthood, a meal was defined as " something " with potatoes

and bread. I still feel the lack, something is just missing, as indeed

it is. However, it could also be remaining hunger due to lack of

sufficient fat with the meal. I am not able to eat fatty meat, so I take

care to butter my vegetables, and have a lot of good dressing on salads,

and that helps.

sol

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>

> I will be very interested to see how you make out wiht this! COngrats

on

> getting t see what must be good doctors if they are under Hertoghe's

> tutilage! As for not feeling full, add some good BUTTER to those

> veggies! Fats help you feel satiated after eating and also slo

digestion

> so you feel full longer. They are also excellent for blood sugar

> regulation.

>

>The other thing might be that she is too low in stomach acid and isn't

digesting the meat too well. This is very common with low adrenal

function. It might be a good idea to try either a couple of teaspoons

of cider vinegar in water with the meal or try some betaine

hydrochoride (HCL) which is supplementing the stomach acid. I have to

do both with main meals and occasionally with snacks too otherwise the

food just ferments in my gut.

Pam

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Which vegetarian sources of protein are poison to us???

naffy

> > I also got a bunch of dietary advice, and I've started changing

my

> > diet: I started eating meat, since apparently (almost) all

vegetarian

> > sources of protein are poisonous to us. I also dropped off all

grains,

> > including rice as well as potatoe. Apparently it's ok to have

some of

> > this stuff as long as you pack it all into just two days per

week,

> >

> I never heard that before. Interesting.

> > which should make it a bit easier. I've just noticed that I'm

still

> > hungry after a meal of meat and vegetables, but I guess it'll

just

> > take the body some time to get used to all of this.

> >

> I personally think some of that being hungry after a meal with

adequate

> protein and some veg is due to simple habit. For all my childhood

and

> most of my adulthood, a meal was defined as " something " with

potatoes

> and bread. I still feel the lack, something is just missing, as

indeed

> it is. However, it could also be remaining hunger due to lack of

> sufficient fat with the meal. I am not able to eat fatty meat, so

I take

> care to butter my vegetables, and have a lot of good dressing on

salads,

> and that helps.

> sol

>

[Guest guest]

I was just thinking the opposite. I believe I have high stomach acid as

betaine tears up my stomach horribly.

Doesn't it seem like food not digesting but sitting in the stomach would

make you feel fuller longer, thus causing more satiation rather than less?

Just going by my own experience, without quite a lot of fat at each

mean/snack, my stomach will blow through a meal in about 20-30 min,

leaving me starving. Protein slows that down, but without fat even heavy

protein doesn't last long.

This is gross, but I have a lot of experience with my stomach function,

having been bulimic for many years. I know beyond doubt how fast I

digest what. Sorry if this is TMI for anyone.

sol

doggy532001 wrote:

>> The other thing might be that she is too low in stomach acid and isn't

>>

> digesting the meat too well. This is very common with low adrenal

> function. It might be a good idea to try either a couple of teaspoons

> of cider vinegar in water with the meal or try some betaine

> hydrochoride (HCL) which is supplementing the stomach acid. I have to

> do both with main meals and occasionally with snacks too otherwise the

> food just ferments in my gut.

>

[Guest guest]

Probably means soy products - tofu, tempeh etc. Tofu is highly

processed.

Cathy

>

> Which vegetarian sources of protein are poison to us???

>

>

> naffy

>

>

>

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> Which vegetarian sources of protein are poison to us???

Nuts and seeds. I forgot to ask about beans, but I'm assuming they're

in the same category. I'll have to check, though. Anyway, I do know my

stomach doesn't digest beans well, and I get bloated, so I've been

avoiding them. The doc felt that it's ok to eat soy twice a week, but

I've been avoiding soy because I'm not convinced it's safe.

> I personally think some of that being hungry after a meal with

> adequate protein and some veg is due to simple habit.

I think so too. I'm hoping with time my body will adjust. Some good

advice about stomach acid and fats too; I used to take Hypocylin for

low stomach acid. I should try that again.

The doc told me to drop all milk products, so butter is out (I LOVE

butter so that's too bad), but I do use a lot of cold pressed oils,

which I also use with my veggies and salads.

> I will be very interested to see how you make out wiht this!

> COngrats on getting t see what must be good doctors if they are

> under Hertoghe's tutilage!

I'll report again after my next appointment. Thanks for the congrats

I do feel really good about this. My wallet doesen't, and I'm

actually quite screwed but as long as I can make it through the

next two years or so, I should be fine.

Annukka

[Guest guest]

Congratulations on getting into see his practice/associates.

I eagerly await to hear of your progress and hope you are able to be

treated successfully.

I find this very exciting! Good luck!

>

> So I went to see a doc in Belgium after being unable to optimize

> Armour after 1 year and 8 months and having taken HC for a year and a

> half. I didn't actually see dr. Hertoghe, which was quite a surprise

> because I thought I had an appointment with him, but I did see Dr.

> Amaya de Bernedo as well as Dr. Marie Lhermitte, who joined

> us at the end part of the appointment. They seemed to know exactly

> what they were talking about so I didn't feel bad about not seeing

Dr.

> Hertoghe himself.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Congratulations on getting into see his practice/associates.

>

> I eagerly await to hear of your progress and hope you are able to be

> treated successfully.

>

> I find this very exciting! Good luck!

Thanks

OT: I realized after the appointment, why there was a mixup about the

doctor. When I first called the clinic in January I was told, that the

first available appointment with Dr. Hertoghe is in October. I told

the lady on the phone that I couldn't wait that long, and she started

checking the calender. Suddenly yhere were some appointments

available. Apparently Dr. Hertoge didn't have appointments until

October, but his associates did. I was just never told that I was

seeing a different doc But I'm sure Dr. Hertoghe has a very high

standard of doctors for his clinic. Both these doctors seemed to have

a lot of experience, which puts me at ease.

[Guest guest]

I thought nuts were supposed to be healthy.

Are they goitrogens too?

ugh

naffy

>

> > Which vegetarian sources of protein are poison to us???

>

> Nuts and seeds. I forgot to ask about beans, but I'm assuming

they're

> in the same category. I'll have to check, though. Anyway, I do

know my

> stomach doesn't digest beans well, and I get bloated, so I've been

> avoiding them. The doc felt that it's ok to eat soy twice a week,

but

> I've been avoiding soy because I'm not convinced it's safe.

>

> > I personally think some of that being hungry after a meal with

> > adequate protein and some veg is due to simple habit.

>

> I think so too. I'm hoping with time my body will adjust. Some good

> advice about stomach acid and fats too; I used to take Hypocylin

for

> low stomach acid. I should try that again.

>

> The doc told me to drop all milk products, so butter is out (I LOVE

> butter so that's too bad), but I do use a lot of cold pressed oils,

> which I also use with my veggies and salads.

>

> > I will be very interested to see how you make out wiht this!

> > COngrats on getting t see what must be good doctors if they are

> > under Hertoghe's tutilage!

>

> I'll report again after my next appointment. Thanks for the

congrats

> I do feel really good about this. My wallet doesen't, and I'm

> actually quite screwed but as long as I can make it through the

> next two years or so, I should be fine.

>

> Annukka

>

[Guest guest]

I prefer to use butter, and limit any veg oils to as little as possible.

Vegetable oils are bad, butter is good, olive oil (as unrefined as

possible) is good, unheated virgin coconut oil is good. Lard would be

good if you could get it without hydrogenation, which we can't these days.

I used the saved fat from good bacon, too.

sol

ajapi79 wrote:

> The doc told me to drop all milk products, so butter is out (I LOVE

> butter so that's too bad), but I do use a lot of cold pressed oils,

> which I also use with my veggies and salads.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Annukka,

This is a small point, but you can make ghee which removes all the milk

protein from butter.

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

Lol,sol and Nafoel This is exactly what makes this so difficult:

all basic foods are healthy frome some point ofview and bad from

another. I also believe there's personal variation on what works for

each person, so that's why I think it's bad to give absolute rules in

many things related to diet. I'm sure we'll all agree that wheat and

sugars are bad for you, but that's as far as I'd take it.

Annukka

> > The doc told me to drop all milk products, so butter is out (I LOVE

> > butter so that's too bad), but I do use a lot of cold pressed oils,

> > which I also use with my veggies and salads.

> >

> >

>