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Hi Jeanne,

You'll find women on this list who believe in Dr. Lee and feel

natural progesterone helped (helps) them, and you'll find others who

believe natural progesterone caused their fibroid(s) to grow.

You might want to continue with Dr. Lee's other book " What Your

Doctor May Not Tell You About Breast Cancer " under " Guidelines for

Women with Uterine Fibroids " (page 225-226), for additional insite.

He does mention " ....when treating large fibroids, all hormones

should be kept as low as possible. " and " ....but we also know that

once they get larger, progesterone too can contribute to their

growth. " He doesn't specifically mention a size though, so we don't

know where he draws the line for small vs. large fibroids.

Unfortunatly this information is not in his other books (at least

that I could find).

Have you checked your your hormone levels to be sure you are

estrogen dominant? (Dr. Lee gives resources for saliva

testing). If you haven't, you might want to do that so you have a

starting point to compare with in the future.

There are also other schools on balancing hormones. I use herbs

under the guidance of a naturopathic doctor, which works well for

me.

Gerri

> Hi everyone:

>

> I finished reading Dr. Lee's book entitled " What your doctor didn't

> tell you about pre-menapause. " He mentions that estrogen dominent

> women often lack adequate progesterone because of the overbalance

of

> the hormones (estrogen). He recommends women who are estrogen

> dominant (estrogen dominence causes fibroid growth) to use topical

> progesterone cream which is absored transdermally through the skin.

>

> The progesterone is to help with bloating, tiredness, headaches,

etc.

>

> I began using a natural progesterone cream in the hopes it will

bring

> my hormones into balance. I am not in menopause. Does anyone from

> the group have information on the progesterone cream? Did it

help?

> Any info and feedback on this would be appreciated.

>

> Thanks

>

> Jeanne

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hi

I read the book and highly recommend it to people. I did buy

his recomenndede cream and used it for many months!! I found it so

helpful to minimize night sweats and headaches!!!!! I had

originally got it in hope of shrinking my fibroid. Seemed to stay

the same and then grow!! I took his suggestions as far as natural

meants and organic coffee. I don't think it helped becuase in 2 1/2

years, I guess my fibroid grew anyway, band here it was at 10 cm

and hemmoraging, I obted for a UFE. I'm post 2 weeks. We'll see.

So far, so good. Jen

> Hi everyone:

>

> I finished reading Dr. Lee's book entitled " What your doctor didn't

> tell you about pre-menapause. " He mentions that estrogen dominent

> women often lack adequate progesterone because of the overbalance

of

> the hormones (estrogen). He recommends women who are estrogen

> dominant (estrogen dominence causes fibroid growth) to use topical

> progesterone cream which is absored transdermally through the skin.

>

> The progesterone is to help with bloating, tiredness, headaches,

etc.

>

> I began using a natural progesterone cream in the hopes it will

bring

> my hormones into balance. I am not in menopause. Does anyone from

> the group have information on the progesterone cream? Did it

help?

> Any info and feedback on this would be appreciated.

>

> Thanks

>

> Jeanne

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Hi, Jeanne

I'd like to interject some thoughts about progesterone cream and

calcium d glucarate.

After my diagnosis of fibroids about 9 months ago, I began using

progesterone cream. For me, it helped relieve the feeling of being

full and bloated. It also helped ease uterine soreness as does

drinking a tablespoon of an oil high in EFAs in soy milk. I felt

better, less likely to be depressed, and had lighter periods at the

usual time. I stopped using the cream and some of my other

supplements for several weeks over the holidays when I was sick with

flu and off track. During that time, some of my fibroid symptoms

returned and I feel the " girls " may have increased a bit in size. Not

sure about that last one since I have no current US to show it.

After the first of the year, I got back on my regimen of using

various supplements including progesterone cream. Additionally, I

decided to add DIM Plus and Calcium D Glucarate. Both of these are

estrogen metabolizers. (There is some difference of opinion as to

whether or not women should be taking isolated DIM or I3C but that's

another topic. I decided to give it a try.) But as far as calcium d

glucarate is concerned, there are some intriguing facts that may

apply to women like myself who have been estrogen dominant all

throughout their lives. Apparently, calcium d glucarate is being

tested for its effects on various types of tumors and other chronic

health problems. In regards to estrogen, it has a powerful effect on

clearing estrogen from the liver (among other things but I'm being

brief) and in turn some of the research I've read about it claims

that the supplement actually helps the body make more progesterone

and/or give a more favorable ratio of estrogen to progesterone.

Additionally, it raises the level of the type of estrogen that is

protective against disease while lowering the estrogen associated

with disease like breast cancer. If this is true, estrogen dominant

women may not need to rely on natural progesterone creams to give

them a better balance of hormones.

For example, take a woman who is not in perimenopause but who is

estrogen dominant and has a poor ratio of estrogen to progesterone.

Her progesterone levels might be in the normal range (my experience)

but the action of progesterone is being inhibited by the excess

estrogen. Theoretically, she might use natural progesterone cream on

occasion to get a better balance of hormones but in so doing she is

elevating her progesterone levels. Is that necessarily a good thing?

But if she is attempting to help her body excrete excess estrogen,

she gets a better balance of hormones without adding one what could

be an excess degree of progesterone. Does it make sense to anyone

else that this is a more favorable approach? It's making more sense

to me even as someone who feels the natural progesterone cream was a

help.

Any thoughts?

Gloria

Does anyone from the group have information on the progesterone cream? Did it

help?

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,

in my particular case, the fibroids start growing at an accelerated pace if

I use progesterone cream. I know that this is not what Dr. Lee says in his

book, and I was so hoping that it would help, however, for me it

doesn't. It helps with other issues I have, like PMS and depression, but

it certainly does NOT shrink my fibroids. On three different occasions

over the years, I done experiments with myself, using the progesterone

cream for two months (and enduring the growth) and then getting off the

cream. It takes six weeks for the fibroids to get down to their " normal "

size after I discontinue the progesterone cream.

Not being very educated in the medical field (not at all, actually, beyond

Adelle ' Let's Have Healthy Children...) , and always trying to

lighten up an issue, I've decided that there are girl fibroids

(estrogen-caused) and boy fibroids (progesterone-caused). Of course, this

is only a game I'm playing and NONE OF THIS IS BASED ON ANY

FACTS. Nevertheless, I seems to have boy fibroids.

Do ask your doctor about progesterone cream. And let us know what s/he say.

Hannah

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I agree with the woman who said progesterone may make fibroids grow, or that

some are estrogen dependent while others aren't--and I am aware of Northrup's

(mentioned in post below) distinction between natural and synthetic forms of

the cream. I used the natural form recommended and I think it MAY have hurt

rather than helped.

Also keep in mind the drug having good results--Dr Z's study--turns OFF

progesterone receptors. As far as keeping the fibroid from growing, I don't

know--but it is very small and I would make sure to exercise based on what Carla

posted yesterday.

I know a lot of people like the book 'Women's Bodies, Women's Wisdom' by

Christiane Northrop, MD but I was ultimately offended by her notion that my

fibroids are a result of bottled up anger or unexpressed creativity!

I think it's odd to assume what our fibroids respond to, and often wonder why

each woman isn't treated individually based on the individual hormonal

pathology of her tumors.

Cyndi

In a message dated 06/03/2004 1:16:01 PM Central Daylight Time,

uterinefibroids writes:

> Hi

> I recommend these two books for your reading list on the advantages

> of plant-based hormone therapy (especially the latter --

> Christiane's book is a great $19US investment in your overall

> health, period!) ::

> 'Natural Progesterone' by Lee MD

> 'Women's Bodies, Women's Wisdom' by Christiane Northrop, MD

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>>I have went off my BC pills now for about 20 days. I haven't got a period

yet. Should I stop the Progesterone ceam for the seven days as if I was

ovulating? That is what I did when I was on the pill even if I hardly bled.

Thanks<<

Now your talking about something I know nothign about. Never was on the pill and

have not had a period in 25 years...

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You should stop the progesterone cream to have a period.

Gale

>

> >>I have went off my BC pills now for about 20 days. I haven't got

a period yet. Should I stop the Progesterone ceam for the seven days

as if I was ovulating? That is what I did when I was on the pill even

if I hardly bled. Thanks<<

>

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Val,

I have went off my BC pills now for about 20 days. I haven't got a period yet.

Should I stop the Progesterone ceam for the seven days as if I was ovulating?

That is what I did when I was on the pill even if I hardly bled. Thanks

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