Re: How can it be? / me too

[Guest guest]

Hi : sorry to hear you've hit a bump in the road. I can only share my

own experience: my rapid temp changes were indeed adrenal in nature. I had

quite an adrenal setback and was no longer able to tolerate the T3 dose I had

tolerated fine just a week earlier! (I was also fragile and depressed.) I had

to lower my T3 by about 25%, held for a week or more, then SLOWLY (6.25 mcg

every 3 days) raised T3 back as my adrenals stabilized.

Hope this helps.

>

> I have been on T3 only for 6 months or so already. I had a breackthrough at 3

months but things are not going particularly well. I have been trying to do

things right (adjusting HC, T3, etc) but I haven't succeeded so far and now my

adrenals have crashed (I think). I feel very fragile and depresed and my temps

are changing a lot. I am trying to stabilize them.

>

> In any case I wanted to ask, is it possible to have high temps and feel very

hypo?

> Right now my temp is 37.4 (99.3) (post ovulation temp) and I have lots of hypo

symptoms (and I am pretty sure they are hypo symptoms because they went away

with Armour and even with T4). I don't feel ill, just hypo and also in an

adrenal mess.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Margery,

I am feeling so depressed it hurts. The only thing that has helped me in my life

has been Anafranil, it even made my hair look wonderful (instead of dry and

wiry). I really wonder whether I should go back to it and stop trying to get

thyroid and adrenals fixed. It has been two years trying already and nothing,

some days I have felt wonderful and full of hope but nothing has lasted. When my

temps went up at the end of week 11 of T3 only treatment I thought I finally

succeeded, but there has been three month since then and I am in a pitiful

state, depressed as I can be, with dark rings under my eyes, loosing weight by

the day. It seems adrenal, but I am already taking 30 HC and no improvement.

And temps are high, which is meant to be a good sign... so I don't understand

anything.

I am lost,

[Guest guest]

Hi : I wish I could be more help. Val is much more knowledgeable than I

am about these complex issues. I see you're corresponding with her about this,

and I think that's the best thing you could be doing right now. Next time you

talk to her, mention the dark rings under your eyes, I see many mentions of that

on the adrenals group and it may be an indication of something specific that can

be addressed.

>

> Thanks Margery,

> I am feeling so depressed it hurts. The only thing that has helped me in my

life has been Anafranil, it even made my hair look wonderful (instead of dry and

wiry). I really wonder whether I should go back to it and stop trying to get

thyroid and adrenals fixed. It has been two years trying already and nothing,

some days I have felt wonderful and full of hope but nothing has lasted. When my

temps went up at the end of week 11 of T3 only treatment I thought I finally

succeeded, but there has been three month since then and I am in a pitiful

state, depressed as I can be, with dark rings under my eyes, loosing weight by

the day. It seems adrenal, but I am already taking 30 HC and no improvement.

> And temps are high, which is meant to be a good sign... so I don't understand

anything.

>

> I am lost,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi : I wish I could be more help. Val is much more knowledgeable than I

am about these complex issues. I see you're corresponding with her about this,

and I think that's the best thing you could be doing right now. Next time you

talk to her, mention the dark rings under your eyes, I see many mentions of that

on the adrenals group and it may be an indication of something specific that can

be addressed.

>

> Thanks Margery,

> I am feeling so depressed it hurts. The only thing that has helped me in my

life has been Anafranil, it even made my hair look wonderful (instead of dry and

wiry). I really wonder whether I should go back to it and stop trying to get

thyroid and adrenals fixed. It has been two years trying already and nothing,

some days I have felt wonderful and full of hope but nothing has lasted. When my

temps went up at the end of week 11 of T3 only treatment I thought I finally

succeeded, but there has been three month since then and I am in a pitiful

state, depressed as I can be, with dark rings under my eyes, loosing weight by

the day. It seems adrenal, but I am already taking 30 HC and no improvement.

> And temps are high, which is meant to be a good sign... so I don't understand

anything.

>

> I am lost,

>

>

[Guest guest]

the high temps can be LOW aldosterone or high Thyroi dwhich can

feel JUST as bad as low. Get aldosterone tested. and a fresh FT3 and we

can go from there.

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://faqhelp.webs.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

http://artisticgrooming.net/

> Hi : I wish I could be more help. Val is much more knowledgeable than

I am about these complex issues. I see you're corresponding with her about

this, and I think that's the best thing you could be doing right now. Next time

you talk to her, mention the dark rings under your eyes, I see many mentions of

that on the adrenals group and it may be an indication of something specific

that can be addressed.

>

>

>> Thanks Margery,

>> I am feeling so depressed it hurts. The only thing that has helped me in my

life has been Anafranil, it even made my hair look wonderful (instead of dry and

wiry). I really wonder whether I should go back to it and stop trying to get

thyroid and adrenals fixed. It has been two years trying already and nothing,

some days I have felt wonderful and full of hope but nothing has lasted. When my

temps went up at the end of week 11 of T3 only treatment I thought I finally

succeeded, but there has been three month since then and I am in a pitiful

state, depressed as I can be, with dark rings under my eyes, loosing weight by

the day. It seems adrenal, but I am already taking 30 HC and no improvement.

>> And temps are high, which is meant to be a good sign... so I don't understand

anything.

>>

>> I am lost,

>>

>>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

the high temps can be LOW aldosterone or high Thyroi dwhich can

feel JUST as bad as low. Get aldosterone tested. and a fresh FT3 and we

can go from there.

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://faqhelp.webs.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

http://artisticgrooming.net/

> Hi : I wish I could be more help. Val is much more knowledgeable than

I am about these complex issues. I see you're corresponding with her about

this, and I think that's the best thing you could be doing right now. Next time

you talk to her, mention the dark rings under your eyes, I see many mentions of

that on the adrenals group and it may be an indication of something specific

that can be addressed.

>

>

>> Thanks Margery,

>> I am feeling so depressed it hurts. The only thing that has helped me in my

life has been Anafranil, it even made my hair look wonderful (instead of dry and

wiry). I really wonder whether I should go back to it and stop trying to get

thyroid and adrenals fixed. It has been two years trying already and nothing,

some days I have felt wonderful and full of hope but nothing has lasted. When my

temps went up at the end of week 11 of T3 only treatment I thought I finally

succeeded, but there has been three month since then and I am in a pitiful

state, depressed as I can be, with dark rings under my eyes, loosing weight by

the day. It seems adrenal, but I am already taking 30 HC and no improvement.

>> And temps are high, which is meant to be a good sign... so I don't understand

anything.

>>

>> I am lost,

>>

>>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Val, thanks for answering. I wish " we " could figure out what's missing...

I am taking 62.5 T3 (cynomel) and 30 HC. This thyroid labs are from 3 days ago

(11 hours between the last T3 dose and the test)

TSH: 0.1

free T4: 0.25 ng/dl (0.71-1.90)

free T3: 5.01 pmol/l (2.63-5.70)

And this are my most recent temps, reaching up to 37.4 some days (not the daily

average values but some of the measurements). On the other hand some of the

basal temps are quite low, even as low as 36.3.

Pre-ovulation:

19-jul: basal: 36.5 /daily average: 37.03

20-jul: basal: 36.3/ daily aver: 36.93

21-jul: basal: 36.6 / daily: 36.9

22-jul: basal: 36.5

23 jul: basal: 36.6 / daily: 37.06

Post-ovul:

24-jul: basal: 36.9

25-jul: basal: 36.7 /daily: 37.36

26-jul: basal: 36.9 / daily: 37.26

27-jul: basal: 36.7

I actually tested aldosterone a month ago (and other things you suggested, see

below).

Test was done more than 24 hours salt fasting /I also didn't take any potassium

during that period: recently I had been supplementing 1200 potassium and half

tsp of sea salt twice a day). I was supplementing 12.5 HC when I took the test.

I Took the test at 8.30 a.m., day 4 of my cycle:

Aldosterone: 21.3 ng/dl (7-30)

renin: 1.4 ng/ml/h. (0.15-3.95)

ACTH serum: 16.1 pg/mL (normaity range: less than 46.00)

the high temps can be LOW aldosterone or high Thyroi dwhich can

> feel JUST as bad as low. Get aldosterone tested. and a fresh FT3 and we

> can go from there.

>

>

[Guest guest]

You are still hypothyroid. When on T3 onyl we need WAY over range FT3

to feel well as ther is no back up conversion form T4. My ranges go to

4.2 and I feel best at 6.2. SO wiht your ranges topping at 5.7 I would

not be surprised if you needed FT3 aorund 7.5-7.7.

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://faqhelp.webs.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

http://artisticgrooming.net/

> Dear Val, thanks for answering. I wish " we " could figure out what's missing...

>

> I am taking 62.5 T3 (cynomel) and 30 HC. This thyroid labs are from 3 days ago

(11 hours between the last T3 dose and the test)

> TSH: 0.1

> free T4: 0.25 ng/dl (0.71-1.90)

> free T3: 5.01 pmol/l (2.63-5.70)

>

> And this are my most recent temps, reaching up to 37.4 some days (not the

daily average values but some of the measurements). On the other hand some of

the basal temps are quite low, even as low as 36.3.

> Pre-ovulation:

> 19-jul: basal: 36.5 /daily average: 37.03

> 20-jul: basal: 36.3/ daily aver: 36.93

> 21-jul: basal: 36.6 / daily: 36.9

> 22-jul: basal: 36.5

> 23 jul: basal: 36.6 / daily: 37.06

>

> Post-ovul:

> 24-jul: basal: 36.9

> 25-jul: basal: 36.7 /daily: 37.36

> 26-jul: basal: 36.9 / daily: 37.26

> 27-jul: basal: 36.7

>

>

>

> I actually tested aldosterone a month ago (and other things you suggested, see

below).

>

> Test was done more than 24 hours salt fasting /I also didn't take any

potassium during that period: recently I had been supplementing 1200 potassium

and half tsp of sea salt twice a day). I was supplementing 12.5 HC when I took

the test.

>

> I Took the test at 8.30 a.m., day 4 of my cycle:

>

> Aldosterone: 21.3 ng/dl (7-30)

> renin: 1.4 ng/ml/h. (0.15-3.95)

> ACTH serum: 16.1 pg/mL (normaity range: less than 46.00)

>

>

>

>

>

> the high temps can be LOW aldosterone or high Thyroi dwhich can

>> feel JUST as bad as low. Get aldosterone tested. and a fresh FT3 and we

>> can go from there.

>>

>>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks a lot Val! I am still confused, what do you make then of the high

post-ovulation temps I'm getting (last month also). (I copy them again here to

make it easier sorry for the repetition):

> Pre-ovulation:

> > 19-jul: basal: 36.5 /daily average: 37.03

> > 20-jul: basal: 36.3/ daily aver: 36.93

> > 21-jul: basal: 36.6 / daily: 36.9

> > 22-jul: basal: 36.5

> > 23 jul: basal: 36.6 / daily: 37.06

> >

> > Post-ovul:

> > 24-jul: basal: 36.9

> > 25-jul: basal: 36.7 /daily: 37.36

> > 26-jul: basal: 36.9 / daily: 37.26

> > 27-jul: basal: 36.7

pulse rate has been rather high also for the last month (sometimes reaching even

120) so I was scared to rise T3.

Also are these temperatures too variable, or variability looks O.K?

>

> You are still hypothyroid. When on T3 onyl we need WAY over range FT3

> to feel well as ther is no back up conversion form T4. My ranges go to

> 4.2 and I feel best at 6.2. SO wiht your ranges topping at 5.7 I would

> not be surprised if you needed FT3 aorund 7.5-7.7.

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I'll leave Val to answer your questions on variability, but I thought I read on

the adrenals FAQ website that variability should only be by .1 if doing celcius

(as opposed to .2 for Farenheit).

Have you tested your progesterone in the luteal phase? Mine tends to get a bit

too high, which makes my temps look higher than they " really " are. Of course,

that wouldn't explain the high pulse. Have you tried the " salt water test " to

see if that works? I didn't see any sodium labs to know if it was low or not.

Lastly, I know I felt super hot all the time when I had reactivated EBV. Have

you ever had EBV antibodies tested? Or Lymes or the other lovely infections like

mycoplasma? I was able to get rid of the EBV with natural stuff. It took a

while, but made a lot of difference in being able to tolerate t3 and not need

crazy doses of HC.

Hope some of these ideas may be of help.

Kathleen

> >

> > You are still hypothyroid. When on T3 onyl we need WAY over range FT3

> > to feel well as ther is no back up conversion form T4. My ranges go to

> > 4.2 and I feel best at 6.2. SO wiht your ranges topping at 5.7 I would

> > not be surprised if you needed FT3 aorund 7.5-7.7.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I would test electrolytes as I have seen a definite pattern wiht high

temps and low sodium/aldosterone. High progesterone may also cause high

temps. Low sodium also causes high pulse. I just feel what you are

experiencing is nto hyper but intolerance symotoms menaing you need ot

explore other things that can affect these issues.

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://faqhelp.webs.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

http://artisticgrooming.net/

> Thanks a lot Val! I am still confused, what do you make then of the high

post-ovulation temps I'm getting (last month also). (I copy them again here to

make it easier sorry for the repetition):

>

>> Pre-ovulation:

>>> 19-jul: basal: 36.5 /daily average: 37.03

>>> 20-jul: basal: 36.3/ daily aver: 36.93

>>> 21-jul: basal: 36.6 / daily: 36.9

>>> 22-jul: basal: 36.5

>>> 23 jul: basal: 36.6 / daily: 37.06

>>>

>>> Post-ovul:

>>> 24-jul: basal: 36.9

>>> 25-jul: basal: 36.7 /daily: 37.36

>>> 26-jul: basal: 36.9 / daily: 37.26

>>> 27-jul: basal: 36.7

> pulse rate has been rather high also for the last month (sometimes reaching

even 120) so I was scared to rise T3.

>

> Also are these temperatures too variable, or variability looks O.K?

>

>

>

>

>

>> You are still hypothyroid. When on T3 onyl we need WAY over range FT3

>> to feel well as ther is no back up conversion form T4. My ranges go to

>> 4.2 and I feel best at 6.2. SO wiht your ranges topping at 5.7 I would

>> not be surprised if you needed FT3 aorund 7.5-7.7.

>>

>>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Val and Kathleen,

Thanks a lot for the suggestions:

I have tested aldosterone twice and both times the result has been quite high:

labs one month ago(I Took the test at 8.30 a.m., day 4 of my cycle):

Aldosterone: 21.3 ng/dl (7-30)

renin: 1.4 ng/ml/h. (0.15-3.95)

ACTH serum: 16.1 pg/mL (normaity range: less than 46.00)

labs tre months ago (just after clearance, took the test early in the morning

and day 6 of the cycle):

Aldosterone: 30.9 ng/dl (1-10.5)

Renin: 0.47 ng/mL/h (0.4-1.9)

Regarding electrolites I have been supplementing sodium and potassium since

clearance and levels have been as recomended here.

Last time I tested (4 days ago), I think sodium was a bit high (so I have

reduced sea salt a bit):

Potassium: 4.1 mEq/L (3.5-5.5)

Sodium: 148 mEq/L (135-155)

So, I think Aldosterone/sodium issues can be ruled out.

Progesterone is indeed on the high side, but within range:

labs just after clearance (3 months ago, day 21 of cycle):

progesterone: 20.49 ng/ml (3.28-38)

estradiol: 222.7 pg/ml (31-247 pg/ml)

In a forum about fertility (I have been trying to conceive for more than 6 years

already), I got the following coment about progesterone:

" your progesterone level of 20 is AWESOME. Doctors usually like to see

progesterone levels of at least 5, but preferably above 10 for a natural cycle

and levels above 15 for a medicated cycle " .

I guess my temperatures are only high after ovulation (and only daily tamps, not

basal), not before, so, could highish progesterone be the cause?

Pre-ovulation:

19-jul: basal: 36.5 /daily average: 37.03

20-jul: basal: 36.3/ daily aver: 36.93

21-jul: basal: 36.6 / daily: 36.9

22-jul: basal: 36.5

23 jul: basal: 36.6 / daily: 37.06

Post-ovul:

24-jul: basal: 36.9

25-jul: basal: 36.7 /daily: 37.36

26-jul: basal: 36.9 / daily: 37.26

27-jul: basal: 36.7 / daily: 37.26

28-jul: basal: 36.8 /

(sorry again for copying the same data again and again, I do it with the hope it

will make the discussion easier...)

[Guest guest]

Yes high progesteorne can cause higher basal and daily temps, this si

th esame as women post ovulation when progesterone oeaks need temps to

99 degrees to be normal.

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://faqhelp.webs.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

http://artisticgrooming.net/

> Dear Val and Kathleen,

>

> Thanks a lot for the suggestions:

>

> I have tested aldosterone twice and both times the result has been quite high:

>

> labs one month ago(I Took the test at 8.30 a.m., day 4 of my cycle):

> Aldosterone: 21.3 ng/dl (7-30)

> renin: 1.4 ng/ml/h. (0.15-3.95)

> ACTH serum: 16.1 pg/mL (normaity range: less than 46.00)

>

> labs tre months ago (just after clearance, took the test early in the morning

and day 6 of the cycle):

> Aldosterone: 30.9 ng/dl (1-10.5)

> Renin: 0.47 ng/mL/h (0.4-1.9)

>

> Regarding electrolites I have been supplementing sodium and potassium since

clearance and levels have been as recomended here.

> Last time I tested (4 days ago), I think sodium was a bit high (so I have

reduced sea salt a bit):

>

> Potassium: 4.1 mEq/L (3.5-5.5)

> Sodium: 148 mEq/L (135-155)

>

>

> So, I think Aldosterone/sodium issues can be ruled out.

>

> Progesterone is indeed on the high side, but within range:

>

> labs just after clearance (3 months ago, day 21 of cycle):

>

> progesterone: 20.49 ng/ml (3.28-38)

>

> estradiol: 222.7 pg/ml (31-247 pg/ml)

>

> In a forum about fertility (I have been trying to conceive for more than 6

years already), I got the following coment about progesterone:

>

> " your progesterone level of 20 is AWESOME. Doctors usually like to see

progesterone levels of at least 5, but preferably above 10 for a natural cycle

and levels above 15 for a medicated cycle " .

>

> I guess my temperatures are only high after ovulation (and only daily tamps,

not basal), not before, so, could highish progesterone be the cause?

>

> Pre-ovulation:

> 19-jul: basal: 36.5 /daily average: 37.03

> 20-jul: basal: 36.3/ daily aver: 36.93

> 21-jul: basal: 36.6 / daily: 36.9

> 22-jul: basal: 36.5

> 23 jul: basal: 36.6 / daily: 37.06

>

> Post-ovul:

> 24-jul: basal: 36.9

> 25-jul: basal: 36.7 /daily: 37.36

> 26-jul: basal: 36.9 / daily: 37.26

> 27-jul: basal: 36.7 / daily: 37.26

> 28-jul: basal: 36.8 /

>

> (sorry again for copying the same data again and again, I do it with the hope

it will make the discussion easier...)

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Val,

So, does this mean that post-ovulation temps as high as 99.3 (which is what I am

getting recently) could be compatible with me being still hypo?

>

> Yes high progesteorne can cause higher basal and daily temps, this si

> th esame as women post ovulation when progesterone oeaks need temps to

> 99 degrees to be normal.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathleen,

regarding EBV. This is one of those things that I don't even want to consider

because I am sure I am not going to find a single doctor who can tell me

anything about it and I don't have a clue myself.

The dentist who removed my amalgams requested an EBV test and these were the

results.

IgG anti-EBV: 230 (negative is less than 20)

However when she saw the results she didn't know what to do with them (which

didn't make me very happy).

I have no idea if these numbers mean the virus is " reactivated " or just that I

had it at some point in my life...

I have heard the symptoms include a sore throat which I often get since

childhood actually, but I have read it is an hypo symptom.

Can you make something of this numbers?

What did you do to fight the virus?

Maybe we can discuss this off list?

Many thanks,

>

> ,

>

> I'll leave Val to answer your questions on variability, but I thought I read

on the adrenals FAQ website that variability should only be by .1 if doing

celcius (as opposed to .2 for Farenheit).

>

> Have you tested your progesterone in the luteal phase? Mine tends to get a bit

too high, which makes my temps look higher than they " really " are. Of course,

that wouldn't explain the high pulse. Have you tried the " salt water test " to

see if that works? I didn't see any sodium labs to know if it was low or not.

>

> Lastly, I know I felt super hot all the time when I had reactivated EBV. Have

you ever had EBV antibodies tested? Or Lymes or the other lovely infections like

mycoplasma? I was able to get rid of the EBV with natural stuff. It took a

while, but made a lot of difference in being able to tolerate t3 and not need

crazy doses of HC.

>

> Hope some of these ideas may be of help.

>

> Kathleen

[Guest guest]

NO. They would oindicate NOT hypo. Because at PEAK progesteroine times

of the monht they shoud reach 99 btu I dont; think higher is normal even

for high progesterone levels,. Are you supplemnting progesterone to get

to that level? If so then Iwould reduce it abit to see. Are you certain

cortiosl is not an issue? It CAN cause fertility problems and all the

good hormones in the workld will nto correct ti until the cortils is

right as it prevents proper conversion and usage of them and wcould be a

cuase of high progesteron or estrogne.

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://faqhelp.webs.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

http://artisticgrooming.net/

> Thanks Val,

>

> So, does this mean that post-ovulation temps as high as 99.3 (which is what I

am getting recently) could be compatible with me being still hypo?

>

>

>

>

>

>> Yes high progesteorne can cause higher basal and daily temps, this si

>> th esame as women post ovulation when progesterone oeaks need temps to

>> 99 degrees to be normal.

>>

>>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

O.K. So then I don't know why I am getting these high temps.

I am not supplementing progesterone.

I am not sure cortisol is not an issue, in fact I think it is but I don't know

what else to do about it.

I am supplementing 30 HC. I tried to lower the dose after clearance and after a

while I felt awfull so I went up to 30 again and still not feeling well..

I have symptoms of low cortisol, but also easy brusing (which is listed as a

high cortisol symptom).

I don't feel good but, iron is O.K., aldosterone is O.K., electrolites are

O.K.... if cortisol is the culprit, and supplementing 30 Hc is not helping, what

shall I do?

My doctor wont help anymore, he has resorted to the " is psychological " answer so

I am as lost as one can be...

Thanks a lot for being there and trying to help, I guess mine is not an easy

case...

>

> NO. They would oindicate NOT hypo. Because at PEAK progesteroine times

> of the monht they shoud reach 99 btu I dont; think higher is normal even

> for high progesterone levels,. Are you supplemnting progesterone to get

> to that level? If so then Iwould reduce it abit to see. Are you certain

> cortiosl is not an issue? It CAN cause fertility problems and all the

> good hormones in the workld will nto correct ti until the cortils is

> right as it prevents proper conversion and usage of them and wcould be a

> cuase of high progesteron or estrogne.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would try an HC increase. You are just abotu where I was right

before I cleared RT3. The push when my doc convinced me ot raise to 40hc

was a rush of thyroid to the cells., and then the adrenals just healed

in a matter of abotu 2 weeks. I ahve always had good progesteroine

levels even post complete hyst which si abnormal for sure, but now they

are actually low, I suspe4ct gettign the cortils working right has

reduced them to a " normal " level for me.

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://faqhelp.webs.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

http://artisticgrooming.net/

> O.K. So then I don't know why I am getting these high temps.

>

> I am not supplementing progesterone.

> I am not sure cortisol is not an issue, in fact I think it is but I don't know

what else to do about it.

> I am supplementing 30 HC. I tried to lower the dose after clearance and after

a while I felt awfull so I went up to 30 again and still not feeling well..

> I have symptoms of low cortisol, but also easy brusing (which is listed as a

high cortisol symptom).

>

> I don't feel good but, iron is O.K., aldosterone is O.K., electrolites are

O.K.... if cortisol is the culprit, and supplementing 30 Hc is not helping, what

shall I do?

>

> My doctor wont help anymore, he has resorted to the " is psychological " answer

so I am as lost as one can be...

>

> Thanks a lot for being there and trying to help, I guess mine is not an easy

case...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>> NO. They would oindicate NOT hypo. Because at PEAK progesteroine times

>> of the monht they shoud reach 99 btu I dont; think higher is normal even

>> for high progesterone levels,. Are you supplemnting progesterone to get

>> to that level? If so then Iwould reduce it abit to see. Are you certain

>> cortiosl is not an issue? It CAN cause fertility problems and all the

>> good hormones in the workld will nto correct ti until the cortils is

>> right as it prevents proper conversion and usage of them and wcould be a

>> cuase of high progesteron or estrogne.

>>

>>

>

>

>

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>

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I will try. Should I do it progressively or in one go? Should I go up to 40 or

try less first? Also, please, I have never been is such a high cortisol dose, so

I don't now how to dose.

Thanks a lot,

> >> NO. They would oindicate NOT hypo. Because at PEAK progesteroine times

> >> of the monht they shoud reach 99 btu I dont; think higher is normal even

> >> for high progesterone levels,. Are you supplemnting progesterone to get

> >> to that level? If so then Iwould reduce it abit to see. Are you certain

> >> cortiosl is not an issue? It CAN cause fertility problems and all the

> >> good hormones in the workld will nto correct ti until the cortils is

> >> right as it prevents proper conversion and usage of them and wcould be a

> >> cuase of high progesteron or estrogne.

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

[Guest guest]

I would try 35 first. That si enough to feel a differnce if things are

workign better for you wihtout going too high if thta is all the extra

you need.

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://faqhelp.webs.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

http://artisticgrooming.net/

> I will try. Should I do it progressively or in one go? Should I go up to 40 or

try less first? Also, please, I have never been is such a high cortisol dose, so

I don't now how to dose.

>

> Thanks a lot,

>

>

>

>>>> NO. They would oindicate NOT hypo. Because at PEAK progesteroine times

>>>> of the monht they shoud reach 99 btu I dont; think higher is normal even

>>>> for high progesterone levels,. Are you supplemnting progesterone to get

>>>> to that level? If so then Iwould reduce it abit to see. Are you certain

>>>> cortiosl is not an issue? It CAN cause fertility problems and all the

>>>> good hormones in the workld will nto correct ti until the cortils is

>>>> right as it prevents proper conversion and usage of them and wcould be a

>>>> cuase of high progesteron or estrogne.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> ------------------------------------

>>>

>>> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

[Guest guest]

I would try 35 first. That si enough to feel a differnce if things are

workign better for you wihtout going too high if thta is all the extra

you need.

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://faqhelp.webs.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

http://artisticgrooming.net/

> I will try. Should I do it progressively or in one go? Should I go up to 40 or

try less first? Also, please, I have never been is such a high cortisol dose, so

I don't now how to dose.

>

> Thanks a lot,

>

>

>

>>>> NO. They would oindicate NOT hypo. Because at PEAK progesteroine times

>>>> of the monht they shoud reach 99 btu I dont; think higher is normal even

>>>> for high progesterone levels,. Are you supplemnting progesterone to get

>>>> to that level? If so then Iwould reduce it abit to see. Are you certain

>>>> cortiosl is not an issue? It CAN cause fertility problems and all the

>>>> good hormones in the workld will nto correct ti until the cortils is

>>>> right as it prevents proper conversion and usage of them and wcould be a

>>>> cuase of high progesteron or estrogne.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> ------------------------------------

>>>

>>> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

[Guest guest]

I would try 35 first. That si enough to feel a differnce if things are

workign better for you wihtout going too high if thta is all the extra

you need.

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://faqhelp.webs.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

http://artisticgrooming.net/

> I will try. Should I do it progressively or in one go? Should I go up to 40 or

try less first? Also, please, I have never been is such a high cortisol dose, so

I don't now how to dose.

>

> Thanks a lot,

>

>

>

>>>> NO. They would oindicate NOT hypo. Because at PEAK progesteroine times

>>>> of the monht they shoud reach 99 btu I dont; think higher is normal even

>>>> for high progesterone levels,. Are you supplemnting progesterone to get

>>>> to that level? If so then Iwould reduce it abit to see. Are you certain

>>>> cortiosl is not an issue? It CAN cause fertility problems and all the

>>>> good hormones in the workld will nto correct ti until the cortils is

>>>> right as it prevents proper conversion and usage of them and wcould be a

>>>> cuase of high progesteron or estrogne.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> ------------------------------------

>>>

>>> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

[Guest guest]

I'm not Kathleen, but she recently had a VERY informative post which discussed

this, here's the link:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/46409

> >

> > ,

> >

> > I'll leave Val to answer your questions on variability, but I thought I read

on the adrenals FAQ website that variability should only be by .1 if doing

celcius (as opposed to .2 for Farenheit).

> >

> > Have you tested your progesterone in the luteal phase? Mine tends to get a

bit too high, which makes my temps look higher than they " really " are. Of

course, that wouldn't explain the high pulse. Have you tried the " salt water

test " to see if that works? I didn't see any sodium labs to know if it was low

or not.

> >

> > Lastly, I know I felt super hot all the time when I had reactivated EBV.

Have you ever had EBV antibodies tested? Or Lymes or the other lovely infections

like mycoplasma? I was able to get rid of the EBV with natural stuff. It took a

while, but made a lot of difference in being able to tolerate t3 and not need

crazy doses of HC.

> >

> > Hope some of these ideas may be of help.

> >

> > Kathleen

>

[Guest guest]

How should I dose: 10/10/10/5?

Thanks,

> >>>> NO. They would oindicate NOT hypo. Because at PEAK progesteroine

times

> >>>> of the monht they shoud reach 99 btu I dont; think higher is normal even

> >>>> for high progesterone levels,. Are you supplemnting progesterone to get

> >>>> to that level? If so then Iwould reduce it abit to see. Are you certain

> >>>> cortiosl is not an issue? It CAN cause fertility problems and all the

> >>>> good hormones in the workld will nto correct ti until the cortils is

> >>>> right as it prevents proper conversion and usage of them and wcould be a

> >>>> cuase of high progesteron or estrogne.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> ------------------------------------

> >>>

> >>> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

[Guest guest]

Just wanted to thank VAl, Margery and Kathleen for their advice and suggestions.

Thank you very much. I will ask about dosing in the adrenal forum.