Re: Doctor threatening to mess with my Cytomel prescription

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> Hi Val,

> I'm taking 25 mcg Cytomel twice a day along with Cortef, 10 mgs. I feel

absolutely perfect on it. Not hypo, not hyper, just perfect. But at my last lab

test my TSH was 10 something.

> My regular nurse practitioner went on vacation and the jerk doctor is trying

to mess with the Cytomel dose and put me on Synthroid, which doesn't work for

me.

> He demanded that I have another test in 11 days. I was just researching and I

read somewhere that you have to stop taking the Cytomel for ten days to get it

out of your system.

> Would you recommend doing that?

> Also do you have any med research that tells about the tsh results being

worthless while on Cytomel?

> I'm getting so worried that he will mess with my dose. He should read the

Hypocratic Oath.

> Thanks for your help,

> Pam

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August 9, 2010

I would NEVER revcommend just stoppign T3. Why would you do that when

you feel good? We have sources for T3 wiht no doctor required. If oyu

cannto find a better doc, I would certainyl not make myself ill jst to

please one.

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> Hi Val,

> I'm taking 25 mcg Cytomel twice a day along with Cortef, 10 mgs. I feel

absolutely perfect on it. Not hypo, not hyper, just perfect. But at my last lab

test my TSH was 10 something.

> My regular nurse practitioner went on vacation and the jerk doctor is trying

to mess with the Cytomel dose and put me on Synthroid, which doesn't work for

me.

> He demanded that I have another test in 11 days. I was just researching and I

read somewhere that you have to stop taking the Cytomel for ten days to get it

out of your system.

> Would you recommend doing that?

> Also do you have any med research that tells about the tsh results being

worthless while on Cytomel?

> I'm getting so worried that he will mess with my dose. He should read the

Hypocratic Oath.

> Thanks for your help,

> Pam

>

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August 9, 2010

I would NEVER revcommend just stoppign T3. Why would you do that when

you feel good? We have sources for T3 wiht no doctor required. If oyu

cannto find a better doc, I would certainyl not make myself ill jst to

please one.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> Hi Val,

> I'm taking 25 mcg Cytomel twice a day along with Cortef, 10 mgs. I feel

absolutely perfect on it. Not hypo, not hyper, just perfect. But at my last lab

test my TSH was 10 something.

> My regular nurse practitioner went on vacation and the jerk doctor is trying

to mess with the Cytomel dose and put me on Synthroid, which doesn't work for

me.

> He demanded that I have another test in 11 days. I was just researching and I

read somewhere that you have to stop taking the Cytomel for ten days to get it

out of your system.

> Would you recommend doing that?

> Also do you have any med research that tells about the tsh results being

worthless while on Cytomel?

> I'm getting so worried that he will mess with my dose. He should read the

Hypocratic Oath.

> Thanks for your help,

> Pam

>

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August 9, 2010

Correction here. FT4 shodu NEVER be over mid-range as thta si when

RT3 starts happening. On T3 onyl FT3 needs ot be OVER range, not

just high in range as ther is not T4 converison avaiolable for your

body.

I'm on T3 only too,

and I only take a blood test after a 12 hour fast, in the

morning with no medications of any kind until after the

blood draw. It's possible you don't need as much cortef

now. Also, your doctor should be ordering tests for

FreeT3, FreeT4, RT3 as well as the TSH, which they always

order. If your T3 medication is doing it's job, your TSH

should be low and your Free T3 close to the top and your

Free T4 above the middle.

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Subject: Doctor threatening to mess with my

Cytomel prescription

To: RT3_T3

Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 6:04 PM

Hi Val,

I'm taking 25 mcg Cytomel twice a day along with

Cortef, 10 mgs. I feel absolutely perfect on it. Not

hypo, not hyper, just perfect. But at my last lab test

my TSH was 10 something.

My regular nurse practitioner went on vacation and the

jerk doctor is trying to mess with the Cytomel dose

and put me on Synthroid, which doesn't work for me.

He demanded that I have another test in 11 days. I was

just researching and I read somewhere that you have to

stop taking the Cytomel for ten days to get it out of

your system.

Would you recommend doing that?

Also do you have any med research that tells about the

tsh results being worthless while on Cytomel?

I'm getting so worried that he will mess with my dose.

He should read the Hypocratic Oath.

Thanks for your help,

Pam

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August 9, 2010

Correction here. FT4 shodu NEVER be over mid-range as thta si when

RT3 starts happening. On T3 onyl FT3 needs ot be OVER range, not

just high in range as ther is not T4 converison avaiolable for your

body.

I'm on T3 only too,

and I only take a blood test after a 12 hour fast, in the

morning with no medications of any kind until after the

blood draw. It's possible you don't need as much cortef

now. Also, your doctor should be ordering tests for

FreeT3, FreeT4, RT3 as well as the TSH, which they always

order. If your T3 medication is doing it's job, your TSH

should be low and your Free T3 close to the top and your

Free T4 above the middle.

<>Roni

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It's called knowledge!

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doesn't mean it's not

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Subject: Doctor threatening to mess with my

Cytomel prescription

To: RT3_T3

Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 6:04 PM

Hi Val,

I'm taking 25 mcg Cytomel twice a day along with

Cortef, 10 mgs. I feel absolutely perfect on it. Not

hypo, not hyper, just perfect. But at my last lab test

my TSH was 10 something.

My regular nurse practitioner went on vacation and the

jerk doctor is trying to mess with the Cytomel dose

and put me on Synthroid, which doesn't work for me.

He demanded that I have another test in 11 days. I was

just researching and I read somewhere that you have to

stop taking the Cytomel for ten days to get it out of

your system.

Would you recommend doing that?

Also do you have any med research that tells about the

tsh results being worthless while on Cytomel?

I'm getting so worried that he will mess with my dose.

He should read the Hypocratic Oath.

Thanks for your help,

Pam

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August 9, 2010

Correction here. FT4 shodu NEVER be over mid-range as thta si when

RT3 starts happening. On T3 onyl FT3 needs ot be OVER range, not

just high in range as ther is not T4 converison avaiolable for your

body.

I'm on T3 only too,

and I only take a blood test after a 12 hour fast, in the

morning with no medications of any kind until after the

blood draw. It's possible you don't need as much cortef

now. Also, your doctor should be ordering tests for

FreeT3, FreeT4, RT3 as well as the TSH, which they always

order. If your T3 medication is doing it's job, your TSH

should be low and your Free T3 close to the top and your

Free T4 above the middle.

<>Roni

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It's called knowledge!

Just

because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not

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Subject: Doctor threatening to mess with my

Cytomel prescription

To: RT3_T3

Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 6:04 PM

Hi Val,

I'm taking 25 mcg Cytomel twice a day along with

Cortef, 10 mgs. I feel absolutely perfect on it. Not

hypo, not hyper, just perfect. But at my last lab test

my TSH was 10 something.

My regular nurse practitioner went on vacation and the

jerk doctor is trying to mess with the Cytomel dose

and put me on Synthroid, which doesn't work for me.

He demanded that I have another test in 11 days. I was

just researching and I read somewhere that you have to

stop taking the Cytomel for ten days to get it out of

your system.

Would you recommend doing that?

Also do you have any med research that tells about the

tsh results being worthless while on Cytomel?

I'm getting so worried that he will mess with my dose.

He should read the Hypocratic Oath.

Thanks for your help,

Pam

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August 9, 2010

Why don't you just wait until your nurse practitioner comes back from vacation? Forget this doctor, he'll make you sick again. This doc doesn't work for you anyway, I'd blow him off and wait for the NP you trust...who is he to demand you do anything? If he gets his hands on you he might be able to change the NP's mind. If it ain't broke, don't fix it IMO. TSH is useless, if you feel good then you ain't broke;-)<<From: Pamela <freepam (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Hi Val,I'm taking 25 mcg Cytomel twice a day along with Cortef, 10 mgs. I feel absolutely perfect on it. Not hypo, not hyper, just perfect. But at my last lab test my TSH was 10 something.My regular nurse practitioner went on vacation and the jerk doctor is trying to mess with the Cytomel dose and put me on Synthroid, which doesn't work for me.He demanded that I have another test in 11 days. I was just researching and I read somewhere that you have to stop taking the Cytomel for ten days to get it out of your system.Would you recommend doing that?Also do you have any med research that tells about the tsh results being worthless while on Cytomel?I'm getting so worried that he will mess with my dose. He should read the Hypocratic Oath.Thanks for your help,Pam>> Kem in Eugene <º)))><

August 9, 2010

Thanks for the responses.

Nurse Practitioners always work under the supervision of a doctor, so even

though she comes back from vacation this week, the doc has already interfered

with my prescription and will be keeping an eye on it.

What I wanted to know is if it's worth going off the Cytomel for ten days to get

my numbers back into whatever range they are looking for.

I don't give a hoot about numbers myself, I just know I feel good.

The site that said the tests are worthless while on any thyroid meds also said

that it doesn't affect most people to go off it for that long. But I feel bad

when I forget my dose just once.

Many of you said that TSH doesn't mean anything but is there any med reference

that I can take in that says that.

He's the old line by the book doctor and he's messed with me before on my

bio-indentical hormone prescription.

Thanks,

Pam

>

> Why don't you just wait until your nurse practitioner comes back from

> vacation? Forget this doctor, he'll make you sick again. This doc

> doesn't work for you anyway, I'd blow him off and wait for the NP you

> trust...who is he to demand you do anything? If he gets his hands on

> you he might be able to change the NP's mind. If it ain't broke,

> don't fix it IMO. TSH is useless, if you feel good then you ain't

> broke;-)

>

> <

> Hi Val,

> I'm taking 25 mcg Cytomel twice a day along with Cortef, 10 mgs. I

> feel absolutely perfect on it. Not hypo, not hyper, just perfect. But

> at my last lab test my TSH was 10 something.

> My regular nurse practitioner went on vacation and the jerk doctor is

> trying to mess with the Cytomel dose and put me on Synthroid, which

> doesn't work for me.

> He demanded that I have another test in 11 days. I was just

> researching and I read somewhere that you have to stop taking the

> Cytomel for ten days to get it out of your system.

> Would you recommend doing that?

> Also do you have any med research that tells about the tsh results

> being worthless while on Cytomel?

> I'm getting so worried that he will mess with my dose. He should read

> the Hypocratic Oath.

> Thanks for your help,

> Pam>>

>

> Kem in Eugene

> <º)))><

>

August 9, 2010

>What I wanted to know is if it's worth going off the Cytomel for ten days to

get my numbers back into whatever range they are looking for.

It would take 3 months to get you fully hypo and stable. you would

have to taper off meds and then let T4 levels from your own thyroid

stabilize.

>I don't give a hoot about numbers myself, I just know I feel good.

Good!

>The site that said the tests are worthless while on any thyroid meds also said

that it doesn't affect most people to go off it for that long. But I feel bad

when I forget my dose just once.

You could get away with that if you were on T4 only but not on T3,

after 3 days you would have the T3 levels from the supplementation

near zero and then spend a long time very hypo before TSH stimulated

your own thyroid to produce more T4 (if it could)

Never do things suddenly to Natural or T3, you could crash badly.

Nick

August 9, 2010

This is a passage from Dr. Cutler describing how physicians work.

" Both traditional and alternative physicians wait for something to go so wrong

it overwhelms you. The doctor then listens to your worst symptom or two, maybe

pokes a few places to see how high you jump, and sends you for a lab test to

confirm that he did indeed guess right about what you have. Then he looks in

his " cookbook " for the " recipe " to " fix " you. Mainstream doctors prescribe

surgery for drugs, alternative doctors prescribe vitamins or herbs. But the

basic philosophy is the same - use a repair manual to fix things that went

wrong. Don't try to understand what is going on. Don't consider the underlying

biochemistry. Don't try to catch things before they break. Don't try anything

that isn't in the repair manul. This is today's medical paradigm. "

> >

> > Why don't you just wait until your nurse practitioner comes back from

> > vacation? Forget this doctor, he'll make you sick again. This doc

> > doesn't work for you anyway, I'd blow him off and wait for the NP you

> > trust...who is he to demand you do anything? If he gets his hands on

> > you he might be able to change the NP's mind. If it ain't broke,

> > don't fix it IMO. TSH is useless, if you feel good then you ain't

> > broke;-)

> >

> > <

> > Hi Val,

> > I'm taking 25 mcg Cytomel twice a day along with Cortef, 10 mgs. I

> > feel absolutely perfect on it. Not hypo, not hyper, just perfect. But

> > at my last lab test my TSH was 10 something.

> > My regular nurse practitioner went on vacation and the jerk doctor is

> > trying to mess with the Cytomel dose and put me on Synthroid, which

> > doesn't work for me.

> > He demanded that I have another test in 11 days. I was just

> > researching and I read somewhere that you have to stop taking the

> > Cytomel for ten days to get it out of your system.

> > Would you recommend doing that?

> > Also do you have any med research that tells about the tsh results

> > being worthless while on Cytomel?

> > I'm getting so worried that he will mess with my dose. He should read

> > the Hypocratic Oath.

> > Thanks for your help,

> > Pam>>

> >

> > Kem in Eugene

> > <º)))><

> >

>

August 9, 2010

I had to go off my T3 only for a week, and it caused definite problems with my reactions and dosing. Since T3 has such a short half life, skipping one or two days would be enough to change things.

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Subject: Re: Doctor threatening to mess with my Cytomel prescriptionTo: RT3_T3 Date: Monday, August 9, 2010, 10:56 AM

This is a passage from Dr. Cutler describing how physicians work."Both traditional and alternative physicians wait for something to go so wrong it overwhelms you. The doctor then listens to your worst symptom or two, maybe pokes a few places to see how high you jump, and sends you for a lab test to confirm that he did indeed guess right about what you have. Then he looks in his "cookbook" for the "recipe" to "fix" you. Mainstream doctors prescribe surgery for drugs, alternative doctors prescribe vitamins or herbs. But the basic philosophy is the same - use a repair manual to fix things that went wrong. Don't try to understand what is going on. Don't consider the underlying biochemistry. Don't try to catch things before they break. Don't try anything that isn't in the repair manul. This is today's medical paradigm."> >> > Why don't you just wait until your nurse practitioner comes back from > > vacation? Forget this doctor, he'll make you sick again. This doc > > doesn't work for you anyway, I'd blow him off and wait for the NP you > > trust...who is he to demand you do anything? If he gets his hands on > > you he might be able to change the NP's mind. If it ain't broke, > > don't fix it IMO. TSH is useless, if you feel good then you ain't > >

broke;-)> > > > <<From: Pamela <freepam@>> > Hi Val,> > I'm taking 25 mcg Cytomel twice a day along with Cortef, 10 mgs. I > > feel absolutely perfect on it. Not hypo, not hyper, just perfect. But > > at my last lab test my TSH was 10 something.> > My regular nurse practitioner went on vacation and the jerk doctor is > > trying to mess with the Cytomel dose and put me on Synthroid, which > > doesn't work for me.> > He demanded that I have another test in 11 days. I was just > > researching and I read somewhere that you have to stop taking the > > Cytomel for ten days to get it out of your system.> > Would you recommend doing that?> > Also do you have any med research that tells about the tsh results > > being worthless while on Cytomel?> > I'm

getting so worried that he will mess with my dose. He should read > > the Hypocratic Oath.> > Thanks for your help,> > Pam>>> > > > > > Kem in Eugene> > <º)))><> >>------------------------------------We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

August 9, 2010

You need full labs with full iron panel including ferritin, vitamin b12 & d, free T3, free T4, wouldn't hurt to have yourself tested for antibodies too. If you have hashi's antibodies, a high tsh says the antibodies are destroying your thyroid and you need much lower levels. The test for tsh by itself doesn't show you the entire picture of what's going on with you but if hashi's is involved you need to know. It's also helpful to have a cortisol saliva test run as well. I'd tell the doc you feel bad if you miss a dose and you don't want to change your medication, it works fine. If he's going to be a bung hole about it then your going to be better off getting a new doctor but ask him to run those tests I mentioned first so you have a bigger picture. You can get cytomel on your own if you need to but the tests are a good idea.<<Posted by: "Pamela" freepam@... freepam0Mon Aug 9, 2010 7:39 am (PDT)Thanks for the responses.Nurse Practitioners always work under the supervision of a doctor, so even though she comes back from vacation this week, the doc has already interfered with my prescription and will be keeping an eye on it.What I wanted to know is if it's worth going off the Cytomel for ten days to get my numbers back into whatever range they are looking for.I don't give a hoot about numbers myself, I just know I feel good.The site that said the tests are worthless while on any thyroid meds also said that it doesn't affect most people to go off it for that long. But I feel bad when I forget my dose just once.Many of you said that TSH doesn't mean anything but is there any med reference that I can take in that says that.He's the old line by the book doctor and he's messed with me before on my bio-indentical hormone prescription.Thanks,Pam>> Kem in Eugene <º)))><

August 9, 2010

If my FT3 goes too high, I start getting afib attacks. As for the FT4, I meant at or 1 or 2 over, not higher.

I have a question. The pharmacy changed manufacturers from Mylan to Paddock. The Paddock seems to be stronger than what I was taking. Have you found this to be so?

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Subject: Doctor threatening to mess with my Cytomel prescriptionTo: RT3_T3 Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 6:04 PM

Hi Val,I'm taking 25 mcg Cytomel twice a day along with Cortef, 10 mgs. I feel absolutely perfect on it. Not hypo, not hyper, just perfect. But at my last lab test my TSH was 10 something.My regular nurse practitioner went on vacation and the jerk doctor is trying to mess with the Cytomel dose and put me on Synthroid, which doesn't work for me.He demanded that I have another test in 11 days. I was just researching and I read somewhere that you have to stop taking the Cytomel for ten days to get it out of your system.Would you recommend doing that?Also do you have any med research that tells about the tsh results being worthless while on Cytomel?I'm getting so worried that he will mess with my dose. He should read the Hypocratic Oath.Thanks for your help,Pam------------------------------------We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

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August 9, 2010

Nick is right. The t3 is GONE in 3 days, not 10. You can make yourself VERY ill

just stopping t3 like. And it would take several weeks, not ten days, for your

numbers to get back to where they normally are without any thyroid meds. Trust

me as I have stopped t3 cold turkey and not only do I not advise it (thank

goodness I wasn't on such a high dose that my ft4 was totally supressed), but I

know how long it took before my own thyroid kicked back in, as much as it does

anyway.

Kathleen

>

> >What I wanted to know is if it's worth going off the Cytomel for ten days to

get my numbers back into whatever range they are looking for.

>

> It would take 3 months to get you fully hypo and stable. you would

> have to taper off meds and then let T4 levels from your own thyroid

> stabilize.

>

> >I don't give a hoot about numbers myself, I just know I feel good.

>

> Good!

>

> >The site that said the tests are worthless while on any thyroid meds also

said that it doesn't affect most people to go off it for that long. But I feel

bad when I forget my dose just once.

>

> You could get away with that if you were on T4 only but not on T3,

> after 3 days you would have the T3 levels from the supplementation

> near zero and then spend a long time very hypo before TSH stimulated

> your own thyroid to produce more T4 (if it could)

>

> Never do things suddenly to Natural or T3, you could crash badly.

>

> Nick

>

August 10, 2010

I have not taken either but forom what I have heard from a friend

that has taken both the Mylan was weaker for her.

If my FT3 goes too high, I start getting afib

attacks. As for the FT4, I meant at or 1 or 2 over, not

higher.

I have a question. The pharmacy changed manufacturers

from Mylan to Paddock. The Paddock seems to be stronger

than what I was taking. Have you found this to be so?

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

Just

because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not

there<>

Subject: Doctor threatening to

mess with my Cytomel prescription

To: RT3_T3

Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 6:04 PM

Hi

Val,

I'm taking 25 mcg Cytomel twice a day

along with Cortef, 10 mgs. I feel

absolutely perfect on it. Not hypo, not

hyper, just perfect. But at my last lab

test my TSH was 10 something.

My regular nurse practitioner went on

vacation and the jerk doctor is trying

to mess with the Cytomel dose and put me

on Synthroid, which doesn't work for me.

He demanded that I have another test in

11 days. I was just researching and I

read somewhere that you have to stop

taking the Cytomel for ten days to get

it out of your system.

Would you recommend doing that?

Also do you have any med research that

tells about the tsh results being

worthless while on Cytomel?

I'm getting so worried that he will mess

with my dose. He should read the

Hypocratic Oath.

Thanks for your help,

Pam

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