Re: Slow Release T3 success?

[Guest guest]

Hi Val

In what way? Is it stronger or are there other considerations that I have

missed?

Kind regards

Wayne

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> > > > > Who amongst us here has used " Slow Release T3 " and what have been

> > > the experiences and outcomes? The reason I pos e the question is that

> > > both my Naturopath and my Compounding Pharmacist are both strongly

> > > suggesting SRT3 as the way to go. So any feedback would be great.

> > > > > My FT3/RT3 ratio is 10.82

> > > > > Wayne

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

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> >

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[Guest guest]

Mexican Cynomel is quite a bit stronger than Tertroxin.

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.org/

http://www.health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://www.faqhelp.webs.com/

http://www.health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

> Hi Val

> In what way? Is it stronger or are there other considerations that I have

missed?

> Kind regards

> Wayne

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>>>>>> Who amongst us here has used " Slow Release T3 " and what have been

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>>>> the experiences and outcomes? The reason I pos e the question is that

>>>> both my Naturopath and my Compounding Pharmacist are both strongly

>>>> suggesting SRT3 as the way to go. So any feedback would be great.

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>>>>>> My FT3/RT3 ratio is 10.82

>>>>>> Wayne

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[Guest guest]

Thannk you! :-) Seriously, I think you will really like the Mexican stuff. It

WORKS first of all and it's cheap. When you start feeling better, it will be

incentive enough to remember to take your pills every 3 or 4 hours, LOL.

Kathleen

> > > > >

> > > > > >I guess there's no doubt that the SRT3 would be a whole easier to use

> > > > > >but is it the best. Do you feel it is solving your RT3 problem and

how

> > > > > >long have you been taking SRT3?

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Personally I feel standard T3 is the easiest as adjusting dose is

> > > > > simpler. It is also many times cheaper.

> > > > >

> > > > > Nick

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > >

> > > > > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

> > > > >

> > > > > www.thyroid-rt3.com

> > > > >

> > > > > For lots of good information of adrenal issues

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/

> > > > >

> > > > > and the adrenal group on

> > > > >

> > > > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Oh Wayne, I didn't realize you are in Australia. Well, if the doc will give you

Tertroxin, then I would try it. I've taken it before and it seemed to work fine.

I don't know if it's not quite as strong as Cynomel from Mexico, but you can

always adjust up as needed. I sort of like that it comes in 20 mcg instead of 25

for titration purposes. But if you can't get a script, then I guess you have to

try to buy online anyway.

Kathleen

> > > > >

> > > > > Who amongst us here has used " Slow Release T3 " and what have been

> > > the experiences and outcomes? The reason I pose the question is that

> > > both my Naturopath and my Compounding Pharmacist are both strongly

> > > suggesting SRT3 as the way to go. So any feedback would be great.

> > > > > My FT3/RT3 ratio is 10.82

> > > > > Wayne

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Can I jump in here? I've been struggling with the cost of my SRT3 vs. taking

Cytomel. I spend $48 on one dose and then I have a smaller dose I use for about

the same cost, per month. I equate taking Cytomel as having the same effect as

taking Armour for me. I couldn't keep things steady in me at all and had heart

problems while on Armour. I would fluctuate badly due to my adrenals. Now

granted I have an RT3 problem too. So I'm a little hesitant to make a switch

over from SR to Cytomel or whatever else is available. But a good point was

brought up. If you go to hyper or just have some problems tolerating your

current dose, it's easier to titrate your meds than it is on SR.

That's a winning point for me, along with the cost factor. I'm right now having

that issue with dosing and knowing how to alter it vs. the time released part of

the med. I just worry about the smoothness of the Cytomel. I did find it

interesting that you said, or someone said, that up to 50% of the dose could be

dumped into your system on SR. That's interesting because I find at times when

I just took my dose, like today, I feel like I just got a sudden shot of med and

then overtime instead of feeling better I felt worse. Each day is different.

I'm just concerned about my adrenals tolerating the Cytomel. I'm getting ready

to readdress my adrenal problems with my doctor and want to get set in my mind

as to what is best to do with the T3.

Thanks for bringing this topic up!

Sherry

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >I guess there's no doubt that the SRT3 would be a whole easier to

use

> > > > > > >but is it the best. Do you feel it is solving your RT3 problem and

how

> > > > > > >long have you been taking SRT3?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Personally I feel standard T3 is the easiest as adjusting dose is

> > > > > > simpler. It is also many times cheaper.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nick

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > > >

> > > > > > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > www.thyroid-rt3.com

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For lots of good information of adrenal issues

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and the adrenal group on

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> I just worry about the smoothness of the Cytomel.

If you take it spread in several doses across the day then it can be

smoother than the SR twice a day

you can alter the interval between doses as well as the amount in each

dose to fine tune the effect,

T3 was a smoother ride for me than Natural, I had so much resistance

to the T3 in the natural that I was feeling a kick from the T1/T2 and

that gave me a lumpier ride.

If you feel a big kick from the T3 it may be that you have intolerance

issues, normally iron or cortisol related

Nick

--

for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

For lots of good information of adrenal issues

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/

and the adrenal group on

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

" If you feel a big kick from the T3 it may be that you have intolerance issues,

normally iron or cortisol related "

That would be me. In Feb. my saliva tests said I was high in the a.m. and low

by noon. I'm not exactly sure how to combat that other than to take Cortef at

noon only.

When you speak of 'natural T3' I'm assuming you're referring to Armour? It

never occurred to me that the T1/T2 might have something to do with my

intolerance to it. It was certainly a bumpy ride for me being on it, although,

when I was on it I had more T meds in me than I have ever before. Unfortunately

I also think my RT3 caused problems as well. I kept having terrible swelling,

as I do but not nearly as severe, only on the left side. I'm grateful my

inflammation stays only on the left side of the body, head, but it hurts

nonetheless and that's what I'm combating now. I do have low iron but it's

improving. The last lab read 58. I upped it to 100 mg just recently.

Thanks for the input.

Sherry

>

> > I just worry about the smoothness of the Cytomel.

>

> If you take it spread in several doses across the day then it can be

> smoother than the SR twice a day

>

> you can alter the interval between doses as well as the amount in each

> dose to fine tune the effect,

>

> T3 was a smoother ride for me than Natural, I had so much resistance

> to the T3 in the natural that I was feeling a kick from the T1/T2 and

> that gave me a lumpier ride.

>

> If you feel a big kick from the T3 it may be that you have intolerance

> issues, normally iron or cortisol related

>

> Nick

>

> --

>

> for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

>

> www.thyroid-rt3.com

>

> For lots of good information of adrenal issues

>

> http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/

>

> and the adrenal group on

>

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

" I see by some latest post's you are leaning toward the Standard T3, may I ask

why would you buy from Mexico when you can get Tertroxin in

Australia ?? it's just about the same as the Mexican and don't think it would

work out that much cheaper by the time you add postage to get it

here.....please correct me if I'm wrong. "

Tertroxin in Australia is very expensive UNLESS you qualify for an AUTHORITY

script. Cost per bottle (100 tabs x 20mcg T3) without authority is AU$84. Cost

WITH Authority is AU$33.30. To qualify for an authority you have to have

" demonstrated resistance to Thyroxine (T4) " .

My Doc does do an authority for me. I was on NTH for some time & all it did was

increase my Rt3 & worsen my ratio.

Cynomel costs far LESS even with exchange rate, card fees & delivery costs

compared to authority priced Tertroxin. I order in Cynomel for my Hubby & twin

sons.

My last order of Cynomel in late June cost AU$22 for a bottle of 25mcg x 100

tabs. Remember too than Cynomel IS also stronger than Tertroxin. It is legal to

import Cynomel for personal use you just need to have a script at home written

by an Aussie Doc to show authorities if they ask for it.

See this thread for details

Importing for Personal use

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13578

Note too that T3 only is MUCH cheaper than Dessicated Thyroid as this has to be

compounded. Also the cellulose that is in 99% of compounded Thyroid in Australia

is a HUGE problem. I haven't found a compounder that uses anything else as a

filler as yet!!!

Lethal Lee

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Who amongst us here has used " Slow Release T3 " and what have been

> > > > the experiences and outcomes? The reason I pose the question is that

> > > > both my Naturopath and my Compounding Pharmacist are both strongly

> > > > suggesting SRT3 as the way to go. So any feedback would be great.

> > > > > > My FT3/RT3 ratio is 10.82

> > > > > > Wayne

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>That would be me. In Feb. my saliva tests said I was high in the a.m. and low

by noon. I'm not exactly sure how to combat that other than to take Cortef at

noon only.

The adrenal group are the best people to ask (details at the end). It

may well be that getting the hypo sorted will get the adrenals under

control as well

>

>When you speak of 'natural T3' I'm assuming you're referring to Armour? It

never occurred to me that the T1/T2 might have something to do with my

intolerance to it. It was certainly a bumpy ride for me being on it,

I spoke of the " T3 in the natural " meaning the T3 content of the

Armour.

Bear in mind that Armour reformulated in 2009 and that left a lot of

people including myself feeling very strange.

Nick

--

for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

For lots of good information of adrenal issues

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/

and the adrenal group on

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathleen

Thanks for that, yes I am in Australia. I have seen my fantastic open minded

local GP today and he has writtten out a script for Tertroxin. Now I will have

to sort out my dosing and away we go. I know I came across dosing info somewhere

I just have to find it again and or ask the friendly mods.

I am a little tentative about this but at the same time very excited about the

potential positive outcome after all these years of being bounced around the

medical profession.

With a little help from my new friends here I hope the results will be

forthcoming.

Kindest regards

Wayne

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Who amongst us here has used " Slow Release T3 " and what have been

> > > > the experiences and outcomes? The reason I pose the question is that

> > > > both my Naturopath and my Compounding Pharmacist are both strongly

> > > > suggesting SRT3 as the way to go. So any feedback would be great.

> > > > > > My FT3/RT3 ratio is 10.82

> > > > > > Wayne

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>I know I came across dosing info somewhere I just have to find it again and or

ask the friendly mods.

Here it is, had just pasted it for someone else

http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

Nick

--

for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

For lots of good information of adrenal issues

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/

and the adrenal group on

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Hi Lethal Lee

As I am only new to all this why are you so Lethal?

Whatever the reason I want to say thank you for that link with all the

information there in one spot. You really jumped in with both feet and did a

huge amount of work on that. This is priceless for anyone considering importing

for personal use and I have saved it for future reference if needed. Much

appreciated!!

I cannot demonstrate resistance to Thyroxine as I have never used any Thyroid

drug or much of any drug ever thankfully.

So I have just had my Tertroxin script filled and yes I can confirm your

information is absolutely correct $85 in round figures but they have advised

that my Private Medical insurance should cover some of it so here's hoping. If I

have to stay on this long term/forever then I will consider importing as the

insurance is certain to be limited. I am rather hoping that I can wean myself

off T3 after clearing RT3 thus allowing my Thyroid to resume normal operation or

should I say the correct conversion of T4 to T3 to occur. Hopefully this can be

achieved by raising ferritin levels and supporting adrenals with Rhodiola B

Complex and eventually ridding myself of this high degree of stress that I am

currently under.

Hopefully this is a real possibility. Do you know if others have successfully

weaned off after clearance?

I noted that your DH (Darling Husband) (I'm guessing here) is/ was on Arimidex.

How is that going is that a successful approach to reducing Estrogens and have

there been any noticable side affects with this. Is it OK to take Arimidex

whilst taking T3?

Kindest regards and once again thanks for all that info.

Wayne

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Who amongst us here has used " Slow Release T3 " and what have been

> > > > > the experiences and outcomes? The reason I pose the question is that

> > > > > both my Naturopath and my Compounding Pharmacist are both strongly

> > > > > suggesting SRT3 as the way to go. So any feedback would be great.

> > > > > > > My FT3/RT3 ratio is 10.82

> > > > > > > Wayne

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Nick you are a gem.

Kind regards

Wayne

>

> >I know I came across dosing info somewhere I just have to find it again and

or ask the friendly mods.

>

> Here it is, had just pasted it for someone else

>

> http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

>

> Nick

>

> --

>

> for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

>

> www.thyroid-rt3.com

>

> For lots of good information of adrenal issues

>

> http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/

>

> and the adrenal group on

>

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Nick

I have just sourced Tertroxin 20mcg tabs and am nearly ready to start. Is it

feasable that I start on 5mcg (1/4 tab) 4 times daily as per your schedule and

raise after 3 days by 1 x 5mcg tab then after the next 3 days by another 1 x

5mcg tab and so on. Have I got this right or have I missed something?

Any suggestions or guidance will be most welcome.

Kindest regartds

Wayne

>

> >I know I came across dosing info somewhere I just have to find it again and

or ask the friendly mods.

>

> Here it is, had just pasted it for someone else

>

> http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

>

> Nick

>

> --

>

> for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

>

> www.thyroid-rt3.com

>

> For lots of good information of adrenal issues

>

> http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/

>

> and the adrenal group on

>

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

>

>I have just sourced Tertroxin 20mcg tabs and am nearly ready to start. Is it

feasable that I start on 5mcg (1/4 tab) 4 times daily as per your schedule and

raise after 3 days by 1 x 5mcg tab then after the next 3 days by another 1 x

5mcg tab and so on. Have I got this right or have I missed something?

>Any suggestions or guidance will be most welcome.

Yep, go as per mine but reading 5 and 10 for 6.25 and 12.5.

It's all quarter and half tablet dosing. The exact level isn't

critical, it's the gentle increase and spreading it out which is

important.

Nick

[Guest guest]

Hi Wayne,

" As I am only new to all this why are you so Lethal? "

Well...that was my nickname first in high school & then when I started work.

Would you believe it was for my " lethal wit " & " killer looks " ?

I wish I qualified for that now. Later I thought the username was appropriate

for someone who was Mercury Toxic (I still have my Amalgams) & with many health

issues.

Fortunately the " Lethal " part is not really appropriate anymore thanks to

Adrenal meds, Thyroid meds, nutritional supps, treating hemochromatosis etc.

" Do you know if others have successfully weaned off after clearance? "

Do you mean weaned off from T3 only to NTH or weaned off Thyroid meds

altogether? I have read off folks who do get back onto NTH. Rarely read of folks

going off Thyroid meds altogether (and feeling well).

For myself & family Thyroid meds will be for life as we are all Hashi's & also

have Adrenal Abs too.

" I noted that your DH (Darling Husband) (I'm guessing here) is/ was on Arimidex.

How is that going is that a successful approach to reducing Estrogens and have

there been any noticable side affects with this. Is it OK to take Arimidex

whilst taking T3? "

Certainly Arimadex is effective in reducing Estrogens & very much so. You have

to watch symptoms as going too low in Estradiol is as bad as too high. Hubby is

on DHEA & Testosterone for Secondary Hypogonadism & the Arimadex is necessary as

too much converts to Estrogens. This binds up both Thyroid Hormones (by

increasing Thyroid Binding Globulin) & Testosterone (by increasing SHBG). It is

fine to take with T3 or any Thyroid Hormone IF YOU NEED IT. You may need to

adjust Thyroid meds too.

High Estrogens are more common in older Men (Hubby is 54 but has been low for

over a decade) & if you are taking DHEA and/or Testosterone.

The Arimadex is also EXTREMELY expensive & again there is no PBS subsidisation.

The saving grace is you need very little of it so it last a LONG time. We have

a long time friend who is a pharmacist & gives us a discounted price of

AU$161.85 (normally around $200) for 30 x 1mg tabs. Hubby started with a 1/4 tab

x 4 times a week & for past few months lowered to 1/4 tab x 3 times a week. So

one script lasts 30 weeks or longer!!!

Lethal Lee

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Who amongst us here has used " Slow Release T3 " and what have

been

> > > > > > the experiences and outcomes? The reason I pose the question is that

> > > > > > both my Naturopath and my Compounding Pharmacist are both strongly

> > > > > > suggesting SRT3 as the way to go. So any feedback would be great.

> > > > > > > > My FT3/RT3 ratio is 10.82

> > > > > > > > Wayne

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I found out the hard way that Armour had been reformulated. I was trying

to take it once again and couldn't figure out why I was having so much trouble

with it, until a friend told me about the change.

Thanks for the help!

Sherry

>

> >That would be me. In Feb. my saliva tests said I was high in the a.m. and

low by noon. I'm not exactly sure how to combat that other than to take Cortef

at noon only.

>

> The adrenal group are the best people to ask (details at the end). It

> may well be that getting the hypo sorted will get the adrenals under

> control as well

> >

> >When you speak of 'natural T3' I'm assuming you're referring to Armour? It

never occurred to me that the T1/T2 might have something to do with my

intolerance to it. It was certainly a bumpy ride for me being on it,

>

> I spoke of the " T3 in the natural " meaning the T3 content of the

> Armour.

>

> Bear in mind that Armour reformulated in 2009 and that left a lot of

> people including myself feeling very strange.

>

> Nick

>

> --

>

> for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

>

> www.thyroid-rt3.com

>

> For lots of good information of adrenal issues

>

> http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/

>

> and the adrenal group on

>

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nick

Thanks for that it's very helpful.

I have just reread your info and I note that you have a 5th dose at bedtime. Is that something that I should probably consider or will the 4pm dose be enough to carry me through the night until the morning?

Before I actually commence this I would like to have you cast your eyes over my latest labs and pass comment if you have a moment.

It occurs to me that if I am RT3 dominant and partially resistant to Thyroid hormone then how come my metabolism seems to be fast. I have been struggling to hold on to my weight not putting it on even though I eat a 3000kcal diet. Also I am a regular runner and I am able to do this and remain competitive without overly undue exhaustion or air hunger. I am not diabetic, depressed, manic, brain fogged on drugs of any kind or suffering from any identified illness.

So all this begs the question, could I still have this Rt3 resistance causing a slow metabolism as well as the sluggish Adrenals problems that I think I have and still be this relatively healthy???.

I am just wanting to make sure before I embark on this T3 supplementing because although my lab results suggest RT3 dominance I don't seem to fit the criteria in a number of ways as mentioned above.

Kindest regards

Wayne

Range Feb May June July

THS

0.4-4.00

1

0.7

1.1

0.9

Free T4

10 - 20

17

19

Free T3

2.8 - 6.8

5

4.8

Anti Thyroglobulin Ab

<60

39

42

Anti Thyroid Peroxidase Ab

<60

18

43

Reverse T3

170--450

462+

449

Serum Ferritin Assay

20-320

48

42

60 / 40

61/ 55

Iron

10--33

18

29

17 / 18

32/ 25

Transferrin IBC

45 - 70

69 / 61

71/ 68

Transferrin Saturation %

16 - 50

25 / /29

45/ 37

Serum Vit B12 Assay

162-811

888+

354

453

Red cell Magnesium

5.2-7.5

5.4

Here are my recent saliva labs (19 July 10)

Cortisol

8am 43.2 H (6.0 – 42.0)

nmol/L

Midday 3.4 (0.0 – 11.0)

nmol/L

4pm 3.8 (2.0 – 11.0)

nmol/L

8pm 3.2 (1.0 – 8.0)

nmol/L

Daily total 53.6 (11.0 – 76.0)

nmol/L

Midnight 3.1 (0.0 – 5.0) extra test added

nmol/L

DHEAS am 7.3 (5.0 – 30.0)

nmol/L

DHEAS/Cortisol am ratio 0.17 L (0.20 – 0.60) ratio

Melatonin Midnight 10 (10 – 40)

pg/mL

Progesterone (P4) 139 <159

pmol/L

Testosterone 370 (100 – 720)

pmol/L

Estrogens

Estradiol (E2) 5.0 <6

pmol/L

Estrone (E1) 23.0 H (9.6 – 20.0)

pg/mL

Estriol (E3) <1.0 (0.00 – 25.0)

pg/mL

E3/[E2+E1] 0.04 L .1.0

Ratio

P4/E2 Ratio 27.8 (4.0 – 108.0)

Ratio

> > >> >I have just sourced Tertroxin 20mcg tabs and am nearly ready to start. Is it feasable that I start on 5mcg (1/4 tab) 4 times daily as per your schedule and raise after 3 days by 1 x 5mcg tab then after the next 3 days by another 1 x 5mcg tab and so on. Have I got this right or have I missed something? > >Any suggestions or guidance will be most welcome.> > Yep, go as per mine but reading 5 and 10 for 6.25 and 12.5.> > It's all quarter and half tablet dosing. The exact level isn't> critical, it's the gentle increase and spreading it out which is> important.> > Nick>

[Guest guest]

Hi Wayne,

I can comment on your B12. From the way my digest mail formated your labs, it was tough to discern the timing of your labs, but it looks like:

Feb 888 (range 162 - 811)

May 354 (range 162 - 811)

June 452 (range 162 - 811)

July ?

Your 888 level was the best of the group. B12 is best above 1,000, is deficient below 500-550, despite what your lab and your doctor says. My guess is that you saw your first lab indicated "high" at 888, and stopped supplementing. Without the supplement, your level dropped quickly, you started supp'ing again, and it came back up. Is this correct?

In any case, you have a problem, IMHO, absorbing B12. Hypothyroid (slowed metabolism and/or lowered stomach acid slows uptake from your gut) can cause this, as can several other things. You need to supplement -- whatever you were taking when your serum level was at 888, is the *minimum* you should be taking, along with folic acid. If you are a vegatarian or vegan, you should always be supp'ing B12 and iron.

Pam

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Hi Lethal Lee

Thank you for your detailed reply and advising how you earnt your " Lethal "

handle. I can certainly see from your posts that your Lethal wit is still active

and I bet your killer good looks are too!!I have previously used a chelating

product by the name of Chelorex for removing heavy metals as I used to have

amalgams before their removal 3 years ago. This product is said to be safe to

use for those people who still have their amalgams in place. Info is available

here if you are interested http://www.scienceformulas.com/

Yes I was meaning 'Weaned off T3 meds all together " From the sound of your reply

it may not be a realistic possibility and at best NTH would be maybe as good an

outcome as possible???

I note that your other family members are Hashis and wonder is there are

heredity connections with thyroid problems. I ask this in the light of my

younger brother who has just had his cancerous thyroid removed and just

yesterday I discoverd that my oldest son (27 years) has an Rt3 level at the top

of the range. He therfore may be looking at the same pathway I am about to

tread.

I have slightly above range E1 and in range but at the top end E2 in my recent

saliva tests. My blood levels are up and down with the last 2 readings being 89

then 155. My ND tells me 110 is the figure to aim for in the blood. He has

prescribed Arimidex 0.5mg twice weekly but I have been trying to reduce

Estrogens by stopping my DHEA and testosterone supplementation until I get this

RT3 issue sorted. I have also been using a lot of flaxseed oil and ground

flaxseed that then form enterolactone in the blood which weakly bind to the

estrogen receptors in the cells so I read. I have just enquired about trying a

Chrysin cream 10% and will probably see if that helps reduce estrogens. If it

does not work then I guess the last resort for me will be the Arimidex. I did

not know that it was that expensive and it is not on the Australian PBS just

like the Tertroxin.

" This binds up both Thyroid Hormones (by increasing Thyroid Binding Globulin) &

Testosterone (by increasing SHBG). "

I know my SHBG is high normal range 60 but how does one measure Thyroid Binding

Globulin?

Thanks once again for your input , it is very reassuring knowing that I am not

alone in this and that there are wonderful people here who will assist.

Kindest regards

Wayne

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> > > > > > > > > Who amongst us here has used " Slow Release T3 " and what have

been

> > > > > > > the experiences and outcomes? The reason I pose the question is

that

> > > > > > > both my Naturopath and my Compounding Pharmacist are both strongly

> > > > > > > suggesting SRT3 as the way to go. So any feedback would be great.

> > > > > > > > > My FT3/RT3 ratio is 10.82

> > > > > > > > > Wayne

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Hi Pam I think you are a genius taht is exactly what happened. You are very perceptive.Not sure why sometimes the figures go all wonky.

January was 575 whilst supplementing through to the high in February THEN after getting the Feb lab result I stopped supplementing.... spot on Pam.

I started supplementing with Longevity Plus Beyond B12 x 1 sublingual tab day and night. It contains Methylcobalamin 2000mcg, Folic Acid 200mcg, Biotin 25mcg and Vit B6 4 mg and NSE Meyhylators 30 mg. I also get more folic acid from other supplements I am taking.

And yes I am vegetarian and I am now supplememting 25mg elemental iron with co factors in the morning and 20 mg iron picolinate in the evening whilst working on raising my ferritin levels from 55 to 90.

As a vegetarian I would always go along to my local Doctor and ask him to check my iron and B 12 levels in the blood. When the test results came back he would then pronounce that I am normal as my results were in range. Boy have I learnt a lot since then and am still learning!!

Vitamin B-12(methylcobalamin/B-12 complex)

2,000 mcg

33%

NSE Methylators providing:

30 mg

*

Folic Acid

200 mcg

50%

Biotin

25 mcg

8%

Vitamin B-6

4 mg

200%Red cell folate results for the corresponding months were 869, 556, 2343.

Vitamin B-12(methylcobalamin/B-12 complex)

2,000 mcg

33%

NSE Methylators providing:

30 mg

*

Folic Acid

200 mcg

50%

Biotin

25 mcg

8%

Vitamin B-6

4 mg

200%

I haven't measured since June so am working on the principal that both are trending upwards with supplementation.

I will retest in a month or two as our Australian Medicare is now limiting the number of some tests per year they will cover before we have to pay. They have made a lot of sneaky changes like that recently.

So thank you Pam for providing your perceptive comments it is much appreciated.

Kindest regards

Wayne

Jan>> Hi Wayne,> > I can comment on your B12. From the way my digest mail formated your labs, it was tough to discern the timing of your labs, but it looks like:> > Feb 888 (range 162 - 811)> > May 354 (range 162 - 811)> > June 452 (range 162 - 811)> > July ?> > Your 888 level was the best of the group. B12 is best above 1,000, is deficient below 500-550, despite what your lab and your doctor says. My guess is that you saw your first lab indicated "high" at 888, and stopped supplementing. Without the supplement, your level dropped quickly, you started supp'ing again, and it came back up. Is this correct? > > In any case, you have a problem, IMHO, absorbing B12. Hypothyroid (slowed metabolism and/or lowered stomach acid slows uptake from your gut) can cause this, as can several other things. You need to supplement -- whatever you were taking when your serum level was at 888, is the *minimum* you should be taking, along with folic acid. If you are a vegatarian or vegan, you should always be supp'ing B12 and iron.> > Pam>

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Hi Nick

Also I have just posted updated Temp charts as per Dr Rind here

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/files/Our%20Labs/GoldCoastAussieMan/

Would you mind having a look at them and advising if you think they are good

enough to start this T3. I have just started a Rhodiola and B complex tablet in

the last week but that is not showing in the temps.

Kind regards

Wayne

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> >

> >I have just sourced Tertroxin 20mcg tabs and am nearly ready to start. Is it

feasable that I start on 5mcg (1/4 tab) 4 times daily as per your schedule and

raise after 3 days by 1 x 5mcg tab then after the next 3 days by another 1 x

5mcg tab and so on. Have I got this right or have I missed something?

> >Any suggestions or guidance will be most welcome.

>

> Yep, go as per mine but reading 5 and 10 for 6.25 and 12.5.

>

> It's all quarter and half tablet dosing. The exact level isn't

> critical, it's the gentle increase and spreading it out which is

> important.

>

> Nick

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Hi Wayne,

Here's where I learned all I know about B12 deficiency:

http://forums.wrongdiagnosis.com/showthread.php?t=9948 & page=1447

I highly recommend you join wrongdiagnosis and participate in this conversation thread (it's turned into a support group). That your serum B12 dropped so quickly might be a bit suspicious. There's a possibility that you are predisposed to a genetic sort of problem with B12 deficiency, something to do with autoimmune. Easy to deal with, you just supplement.

Keep supplementing the Bs, especially B12 - and don't worry *at all* about the high serum level. With proper supp'ing, it should be very high without worry. Rather, watch your MCV. It should start dropping slowly, as your body replenishes its cellular supply. Look for it to be around 90-ish.

Pam

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Hi Pam

Thanks for the link. I will have a look when I get a moment.

Just for the record my Mean Cell Volume was 91 Range (80 - 98)from the same

sample of blood that provided the low B12 result of 354. So I think this is

good from what you have written. Have I got that right?

Kindest regards

Wayne'

>

> Hi Wayne,

>

> Here's where I learned all I know about B12 deficiency:

>

> http://forums.wrongdiagnosis.com/showthread.php?t=9948&page=1447

>

> I highly recommend you join wrongdiagnosis and participate in this

conversation thread (it's turned into a support group). That your serum B12

dropped so quickly might be a bit suspicious. There's a possibility that you are

predisposed to a genetic sort of problem with B12 deficiency, something to do

with autoimmune. Easy to deal with, you just supplement.

>

> Keep supplementing the Bs, especially B12 - and don't worry *at all* about the

high serum level. With proper supp'ing, it should be very high without worry.

Rather, watch your MCV. It should start dropping slowly, as your body

replenishes its cellular supply. Look for it to be around 90-ish.

>

> Pam

>

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Hi Wayne,

Yes, your MCV is very good. So just keep supp'ing B12 and folic acid.

Pam