Re: Question about what to treat first

[Guest guest]

I can only speak from my own experience, but I had all the same symptoms, and

started with a ferritin level of 24 in October 2009, and after supplementing it

was 118 in April 2010—6 weeks before I began T3-only for my RT3 problem. I

started on HC in December 2009.

>

> Hello,

> If a person has low ferritin, low iron, RT3, low thyroid and low cortisol what

do you treat first? I read that if you have RT3 the body can't hold iron so

does that mean you shouldn't bother with iron pills until the RT3 clears? I am

currently taking iron, cytomel, Isocort and magnesium. The iron seems to be

giving me headaches even though I have tried several brands. I wonder if it's

due to the RT3.

>

[Guest guest]

Here's a link to Moderator Nick's excellent web page which covers " what to start

first? " including getting iron and adrenals/cortisol in place before starting

T3.

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

It is more difficult for the body to hold iron if thyroid is low. But we have

seen many people who are unable to tolerate an effective T3 dose due to low

iron, so iron really has to be tackled first anyway.

He has a particularly good paragraph on starting T3 with a lowish iron:

" If your Ferritin is 50 or over you can start T3 and supplement iron at the same

time aiming to get Ferritin to 70 by the time your T3 has got up to 50mcg a day.

If your ferritin is under 50 you will need to supplement iron heavily and may

get adverse effects on taking more than a very small amount of T3. "

Two notes on iron: an iron panel test should provide a % saturation number;

this should be between 35-45 for best thyroid utilization (we now recommend this

test in addition to the ferritin test). And be sure to avoid all iron

supplements at least 5 days prior to any iron test, otherwise there may be false

high results.

Don't miss the rest of Nick's website, it has great info, here's the link:

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

Hope this helps.

>

> Hello,

> If a person has low ferritin, low iron, RT3, low thyroid and low cortisol what

do you treat first? I read that if you have RT3 the body can't hold iron so

does that mean you shouldn't bother with iron pills until the RT3 clears? I am

currently taking iron, cytomel, Isocort and magnesium. The iron seems to be

giving me headaches even though I have tried several brands. I wonder if it's

due to the RT3.

>

[Guest guest]

Here's a link to Moderator Nick's excellent web page which covers " what to start

first? " including getting iron and adrenals/cortisol in place before starting

T3.

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

It is more difficult for the body to hold iron if thyroid is low. But we have

seen many people who are unable to tolerate an effective T3 dose due to low

iron, so iron really has to be tackled first anyway.

He has a particularly good paragraph on starting T3 with a lowish iron:

" If your Ferritin is 50 or over you can start T3 and supplement iron at the same

time aiming to get Ferritin to 70 by the time your T3 has got up to 50mcg a day.

If your ferritin is under 50 you will need to supplement iron heavily and may

get adverse effects on taking more than a very small amount of T3. "

Two notes on iron: an iron panel test should provide a % saturation number;

this should be between 35-45 for best thyroid utilization (we now recommend this

test in addition to the ferritin test). And be sure to avoid all iron

supplements at least 5 days prior to any iron test, otherwise there may be false

high results.

Don't miss the rest of Nick's website, it has great info, here's the link:

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

Hope this helps.

>

> Hello,

> If a person has low ferritin, low iron, RT3, low thyroid and low cortisol what

do you treat first? I read that if you have RT3 the body can't hold iron so

does that mean you shouldn't bother with iron pills until the RT3 clears? I am

currently taking iron, cytomel, Isocort and magnesium. The iron seems to be

giving me headaches even though I have tried several brands. I wonder if it's

due to the RT3.

>

[Guest guest]

Here's a link to Moderator Nick's excellent web page which covers " what to start

first? " including getting iron and adrenals/cortisol in place before starting

T3.

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

It is more difficult for the body to hold iron if thyroid is low. But we have

seen many people who are unable to tolerate an effective T3 dose due to low

iron, so iron really has to be tackled first anyway.

He has a particularly good paragraph on starting T3 with a lowish iron:

" If your Ferritin is 50 or over you can start T3 and supplement iron at the same

time aiming to get Ferritin to 70 by the time your T3 has got up to 50mcg a day.

If your ferritin is under 50 you will need to supplement iron heavily and may

get adverse effects on taking more than a very small amount of T3. "

Two notes on iron: an iron panel test should provide a % saturation number;

this should be between 35-45 for best thyroid utilization (we now recommend this

test in addition to the ferritin test). And be sure to avoid all iron

supplements at least 5 days prior to any iron test, otherwise there may be false

high results.

Don't miss the rest of Nick's website, it has great info, here's the link:

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

Hope this helps.

>

> Hello,

> If a person has low ferritin, low iron, RT3, low thyroid and low cortisol what

do you treat first? I read that if you have RT3 the body can't hold iron so

does that mean you shouldn't bother with iron pills until the RT3 clears? I am

currently taking iron, cytomel, Isocort and magnesium. The iron seems to be

giving me headaches even though I have tried several brands. I wonder if it's

due to the RT3.

>

[Guest guest]

Thankyou for your answer. I was indeed clinically low in iron and my ferritin was only 17 but would you believe the doc said that was fine???? Crazy huh? Unfortunately though I cannot mega dose the iron or else I get horrible constipation and very bad headaches. I can take only between 30 - 40 mgs at a time. Will need to have blood levels rechecked soon as the last test was nearly three months ago. I hope it has come up some by now.

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Sun, August 8, 2010 4:38:18 PMSubject: Re: Question about what to treat first

Here's a link to Moderator Nick's excellent web page which covers "what to start first?" including getting iron and adrenals/cortisol in place before starting T3.http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htmIt is more difficult for the body to hold iron if thyroid is low. But we have seen many people who are unable to tolerate an effective T3 dose due to low iron, so iron really has to be tackled first anyway.He has a particularly good paragraph on starting T3 with a lowish iron:"If your Ferritin is 50 or over you can start T3 and supplement iron at the same time aiming to get Ferritin to 70 by the time your T3 has got up to 50mcg a day. If your ferritin is under 50 you will need to supplement iron heavily and may get adverse effects on taking more than a very small amount of T3."Two notes on iron: an iron panel test should provide a % saturation number; this should be between 35-45 for best thyroid utilization (we now

recommend this test in addition to the ferritin test). And be sure to avoid all iron supplements at least 5 days prior to any iron test, otherwise there may be false high results.Don't miss the rest of Nick's website, it has great info, here's the link: http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/Hope this helps.>> Hello,> If a person has low ferritin, low iron, RT3, low thyroid and low cortisol what do you treat first? I read that if you have RT3 the body can't hold iron so does that mean you shouldn't bother with iron pills until the RT3 clears? I am currently taking iron, cytomel, Isocort and magnesium. The iron seems to be giving me headaches even though I have tried several brands. I wonder if it's due to the

RT3.>

[Guest guest]

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>If a person has low ferritin, low iron, RT3, low thyroid and low cortisol what

do you treat first?

Treat the iron and cortisol simultaneously and then add T3 as you can

tolerate it

>I read that if you have RT3 the body can't hold iron so does that mean you

shouldn't bother with iron pills until the RT3 clears?

Catch 22, you can't tolerate enough T3 without increasing the iron.

It comes down to supplementing iron faster than you are losing it

while you then add T3. Once you have cleared resistance and hypo then

you might be able to hold onto the iron, otherwise it's like pouring

water into a leaky bucket, pour it in faster than it leaks out and

levels increase.

> I am currently taking iron, cytomel, Isocort and magnesium. The iron seems to

be giving me headaches even though I have tried several brands. I wonder if

it's due to the RT3.

Not sure, taking vitamin C (lots of it) at the same time as the iron

helps absorption

Nick

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for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

For lots of good information of adrenal issues

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/

and the adrenal group on

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Carolyn, I was the same with iron but I’ve

experimented with some different types and have had much better luck and am

taking 200MG with little adverse side effects. I also found a doc who gave me

an Iron IV but I had skin rashes from it and had to quit but many people have

had success with this route too. Try taking Magnesium Citrate with the iron, it

seems to do the trick for me . In addition to the Blue Bonnet Chelated

iron that they suggest here I take :

Iron Extra , Hemanitic

formula , Energizing

Iron (less than 2 MG but seems to help me tolerate the iron), and an Iron

Glycinate. Also taking B12 helps you assimilate the iron, I take a weekly

shot. My ferritin was 12 and was also told that my iron was fine! It wasn’t

until I got the copy of the labs that I realized I was so low. I haven’t

been retested yet but am hopeful. Good luck and don’t give up on the iron,

Beth

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the ideas Beth - I appreciate it!

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Mon, August 9, 2010 9:20:20 AMSubject: Re: Question about what to treat first

Carolyn, I was the same with iron but I’ve experimented with some different types and have had much better luck and am taking 200MG with little adverse side effects. I also found a doc who gave me an Iron IV but I had skin rashes from it and had to quit but many people have had success with this route too. Try taking Magnesium Citrate with the iron, it seems to do the trick for me . In addition to the Blue Bonnet Chelated iron that they suggest here I take :

Iron Extra , Hemanitic formula , Energizing Iron (less than 2 MG but seems to help me tolerate the iron), and an Iron Glycinate. Also taking B12 helps you assimilate the iron, I take a weekly shot. My ferritin was 12 and was also told that my iron was fine! It wasn’t until I got the copy of the labs that I realized I was so low. I haven’t been retested yet but am hopeful. Good luck and don’t give

up on the iron, Beth