Re: strange twitching sensation in middle of chest...

[Guest guest]

Hi Lee,

Magnesium 2.4 range 1.3 - 2.7

>

> is this a Serum Magnesium?

Yes, unfortunately I believe it is... where is the least expensive place I can

get an RBC test?? I suppose with your email, I'd like to get sodium and

potassium as well... I'm paying for my own tests (as I'm sure many people here

are:) and cost is an issue for now... So if you know the best/ least expensive

place to get it? with the test name? that would be amazing!

With those symptoms I would strongly advise you try transdermal magnesium. I

recommend Ancient Minerals

I just looked it up, and sadly it's too expensive for me at this time, with

everything else I need to make sure I have ....

Personally I don't see how anyone can optimise/replentish Magnesium with oral

supps.

Please can you tell me why?? I would love to know more about this... Thanks so

so much.

Oh, and why would you have thought it was magnesium? Have you heard of this

before?? I wonder if it's sort of like a restless leg type thing, I get the

" shivers " kind of thing in my legs too where I just need to " shake it off " but

it's in my chest 3 out of 4 times. It's really uncomfortable and mostly

irritating.

Thanks Lee!

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

: Where is the least expensive place I can get an RBC test?? "

Lee: What country are you in? I'm in Australia but there are many on this group

& NTH Adrenals who have had testing done in USA. They could advise best as to

cost.

Note some Labs may call it Erythrocyte Magnesium. Not all Labs do this test

either. There are a few posts on testing. Some Labs mentioned are

Doctors Data http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/3739

LEF http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/3776

Genova http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/3807

Speciality Labs http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/11300

Econolabs http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/13840

Have you seen Janie's blog?

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/2010/05/19/magnesium/

This is a good article

http://www.pbraunmd.org/magnesiu.htm

Lee:With those symptoms I would strongly advise you try transdermal magnesium. I

recommend Ancient Minerals "

: I just looked it up, and sadly it's too expensive for me at this time,

with everything else I need to make sure I have

It only costs US$29 to get the spray bottle. It will last you a long time & is

in fact much cheaper than oral supps.

http://www.magneticclay.com/store/magnesium-oil-ancient-minerals-8.aspx

Lee:Personally I don't see how anyone can optimise/replentish Magnesium with

oral supps.

:Please can you tell me why??

Basically you are limited in what you can absorb orally. Way before you can

absorb sufficient amounts you will get intolerance/bowel symptoms. You simply

cannot take ENOUGH orally. When you are ill & stressed you need far more

Magnesium too.

Note Calcium intake is often far too high. Calcium is an antagonist of

Magnesium. High Calcium intake will require a correspondingly higher need for

Magnesium.

Electrolytes ALL work together & need to be optimised & also Vit D works

together with Magnesium & Calcium.

Lethal Lee

>

> Hi Lee,

>

> Magnesium 2.4 range 1.3 - 2.7

> >

> > is this a Serum Magnesium?

>

> Yes, unfortunately I believe it is... where is the least expensive place I

can get an RBC test?? I suppose with your email, I'd like to get sodium and

potassium as well... I'm paying for my own tests (as I'm sure many people here

are:) and cost is an issue for now... So if you know the best/ least expensive

place to get it? with the test name? that would be amazing!

>

> With those symptoms I would strongly advise you try transdermal magnesium. I

recommend Ancient Minerals

>

> I just looked it up, and sadly it's too expensive for me at this time, with

everything else I need to make sure I have ....

>

> Personally I don't see how anyone can optimise/replentish Magnesium with oral

supps.

>

> Please can you tell me why?? I would love to know more about this... Thanks

so so much.

>

> Oh, and why would you have thought it was magnesium? Have you heard of this

before?? I wonder if it's sort of like a restless leg type thing, I get the

" shivers " kind of thing in my legs too where I just need to " shake it off " but

it's in my chest 3 out of 4 times. It's really uncomfortable and mostly

irritating.

>

> Thanks Lee!

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lee,

I'm in Los Angeles in USA. Thanks so much for your reply and all your

knoweledge! I'm wondering if you are bored (ha!) if you would like to help me

understand these labs I just got back? all are saliva....

And yes, I have read Janie's stuff a whole bunch of times I'm taking 3000 iu

of vit. day per day right now... I hate this twitching feeling . I will put

that magnesium spray on my " list " of things to get when I can... I'm taking

about 20 mcg of t3 cynomel per day, split 3x sublingually. i get heart palps and

anxiety if i try to take more.... my ferritin was 15 recently, and my

saturation is 33%, and i'm taking 90 mg of iron right now w/ 2000-2500 g of vit.

c.

Hormone Test In Range Out Of Range Units Range

> Estradiol (saliva) 5.7H pg/ml 1.3-3.3 Premenopausal (Luteal)

> Progesterone (saliva) 52L pg/ml 75-270 Premenopausal (Luteal)

> Ratio: Pg/E2 (saliva) 9L Optimal: 100-500 when E2 1.3-3.3 pg/ml

> Testosterone (saliva) 32 pg/ml 16-55 (Age Dependent)

> DHEAS (saliva) 11.6 ng/ml 2-23 (Age Dependent)

> Cortisol Morning (saliva) 9.2 ng/ml 3.7-9.5

> Cortisol Noon (saliva) 2.4 ng/ml 1.2-3.0

> Cortisol Evening (saliva) 1.4 ng/ml 0.6-1.9

> Cortisol Night (saliva) 1.3H ng/ml 0.4-1.0

>

THANK YOU SO, SOOOOOOOOO much! this stuff is overwhelming me and my anxiety

is.... well it is there let's just say that

>

> Note some Labs may call it Erythrocyte Magnesium. Not all Labs do this test

either. There are a few posts on testing. Some Labs mentioned are

>

> Doctors Data http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/3739

> LEF http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/3776

> Genova http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/3807

> Speciality Labs http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/11300

> Econolabs http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/13840

>

> Have you seen Janie's blog?

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/2010/05/19/magnesium/

>

> This is a good article

> http://www.pbraunmd.org/magnesiu.htm

>

> Lee:With those symptoms I would strongly advise you try transdermal magnesium.

I recommend Ancient Minerals "

> : I just looked it up, and sadly it's too expensive for me at this time,

with everything else I need to make sure I have

>

> It only costs US$29 to get the spray bottle. It will last you a long time & is

in fact much cheaper than oral supps.

> http://www.magneticclay.com/store/magnesium-oil-ancient-minerals-8.aspx

>

> Lee:Personally I don't see how anyone can optimise/replentish Magnesium with

oral supps.

> :Please can you tell me why??

>

> Basically you are limited in what you can absorb orally. Way before you can

absorb sufficient amounts you will get intolerance/bowel symptoms. You simply

cannot take ENOUGH orally. When you are ill & stressed you need far more

Magnesium too.

>

> Note Calcium intake is often far too high. Calcium is an antagonist of

Magnesium. High Calcium intake will require a correspondingly higher need for

Magnesium.

>

> Electrolytes ALL work together & need to be optimised & also Vit D works

together with Magnesium & Calcium.

>

> Lethal Lee

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

reviewed your posts on here & Adrenals group

(lroth39)

Rt3 group joined July'10

Background

Female 38yo

Los Angeles USA

No Doc currently

EBV positive

Ex Holtorf patient April'08- Jan'09

Ovarian Dysfunction /Low Sex Hormones (DHEA, Estradiol & Progesterone)

Rt3 Dominance(compounded t3 April'08-Jan'09)

AI (on up to 100mg compounded HC April'08-Jan'09)

CFS

Fibro

Insulin Resistance

Symptoms

Symptoms

Last 5 years wake up 7 times minimum per night always COVERED in sweat LOW

ALDO/SEX HORMONES

terrible nightmares

I still have my periods (regular 28 day cycle)

night hunger/starvation in the middle of the night SUGAR REGULATION ISSUES,

LIKELY RELATED TO CORTISOL LEVELS

weight gain 60lbs HYPOTHYROID

yellow skin & eyes LIKELY JAUNDICED DUE TO SLUGGISH LIVER FUNCTION COMMON WHEN

HYPO

extreme heat intolerance ELECTROLYTES & LOW ALDOSTERONE

dizziness ELECTROLYTES & LOW ALDOSTERONE

" twitching/jerky feeling in chest " ELECTROLYTES & MAGNESIUM

Tired & wired on T3

Meds/Supps

Sea Salt (started early Aug'10)

MSM (Sulfur) 12 g a day!!!!! THIS AMOUNT IS EXCESSIVE

Ritalin (was on this at one time)

Paxil 20mg (can increase Cortisol)

Chantrix (started July18th???) quit smoking less than two weeks ago (smoking

increases Cortisol)

Cynomel (started 5th July'10) current dose 20mcg daily (split into 3 doses)

Naturethroid for about 2 weeks (nothing for a year and a half)

Slow Fe 90mg Iron (started 5th Aug'10)

Flax Seed IS GOITROGEN & BAD FOR THYROID

Psyllium Husk 4 gm

Vit D 1000IU or 3000IU?

DHEA 10 mg for 3 weeks (dxed low by Holtorf 2 1/2 years ago) stopped 2 weeks

before Saliva Test

Progest Cream dxed by Holtorf 2 1/2 years ago for ovarian dysfunction(started

June22nd'10 stopped early July?)

Estradiol Cream (not currently taking it)

Vit B5 1000 mg

Vit B12

Selenium

Magnesium 800 mg

Vit C 2000-2500mg

Drenatrophin PRG (Bovine Adrenals) by Standard Process (started June 22'10

stopped 2 weeks before Saliva Test)

http://www.standardprocess.com/display/StandardProcessCatalog.spi?ID=63

Calcium 20mg

Each tablet supplies approximately 60 mg bovine adrenal PMG™ extract.

Proprietary Blend: 134 mg

Bovine adrenal PMG™ extract and magnesium citrate.

Other Ingredients: Calcium lactate, cellulose, and calcium stearate.

Hyland's Calms Forte (sleep/anxiety)

http://www.calmsforte.com/home/index.php?p=62

Homeopathic containing

-Passiflora 1X Triple Strength

-Avena Sativa (oat plant) 1X Double Strength

-Humulus Lupulus 1X Double Strength

-Chamomilla 2X (Chamomile)

- Calcarea Phosphorica 2X HPUS

-Ferrum Phosphoricum 3X HPUS

-Kali Phosphoricum 3X HPUS

-Natrum Phosphoricum 3X HPUS

-Magnesia Phosphoricum 3X HPUS

Theanine Serine Source Naturals- for anxiety/before bed for sleep

(stopped 2 weeks before Saliva Test)

http://sourcenaturalscatalog.com/sn1776.html

- Magnesium (as magnesium chelate) 300 mg

- GABA 500 mg

- Taurine 500 mg

- L-Theanine 200 mg

- Holy Basil Leaf Extract 5:1 100 mg LOWERS CORTISOL

-Other Ingredients: sorbitol, stearic acid, and modified cellulose gum.

Min Chex Standard Process -for anxiety (up to 9 a day)

http://www.standardprocess.com/display/StandardProcessCatalog.spi?ID=103

-Calcium 20mg

-Niacin niacinamide, 25mg

-B6 pyridoxine hydrochloride 5mg INACTIVE FORM

-Iodine from KELP 300mcg IODINE NOT RECOMMENDED IF HASHI " S. KELP CONTAINS

CONTAMINANTS

Each capsule supplies approximately 95 mg bovine orchic Cytosol™ extract.

Proprietary Blend: 274 mg Bovine orchic Cytosol™ extract, magnesium citrate,

manganese lactate, bovine liver, porcine stomach, SOY (BEAN), bovine spleen,

ovine spleen, para-aminobenzoate, defatted wheat (germ), porcine brain, and

ascorbic acid.

Other Ingredients: Calcium lactate, kelp, gelatin, niacinamide, water,

pyridoxine hydrochloride, calcium stearate, and colors.

Blood Sugar with Gymnema by Nature's Way (to keep my blood sugar/sugar

cravings/insulin resistance in check)

http://www.iherb.com/Nature-s-Way-Blood-Sugar-with-Gymnema-Certified-381-mg-90-C\

apsules/1820?at=1

- Vitamin A (80% as beta carotene from mixed carotenoids) 1505IU CAROTENES NOT

GOOD FOR HYPO

- Chromium (as chromium polynicotinate) 300mcg

-Cinnamon (bark) 400mg

-Fenugreek Extract (seed) 210mg

-Nopal Opuntia spp (leaf pad) 150mg

-Bitter Melon Momordica charantia extract (fruit) 150mg

-Gymnema Sylvestre extract 75% Gymnemic Acid (leaf) 100mg

-Bilberry (leaf) 100mg

-Other Ingredients Millet, Gelatin (capsule), Magnesium stearate

Labs (first tests in 2 years)

4th Aug'10

TIBC 280 ug/ dL range: 250–450 *ONLY 15% IN RANGE

UIBC 187 ug/ dL range: 150–375 *ONLY 16% IN RANGE

Iron, Serum 93 ug/ dL range: 35-155 *15% IN RANGE

Iron Saturation 33 % range: 15 - 55

17th July'10

Ferritin 15 range: 10–291 *LOW

Comments: It's not VALID to test Ferritin separately need to test ALL at same

time

Both TIBC & UIBC are very low in range meaning you have little capacity to

SAFELY absorb any more Iron. However these results are only valid IF you

followed correct protocols (no Iron supps for 5 days, tested early am, tested

food fasting, no high Iron foods for 2-3 days).

ZRT Saliva Tests 2nd Aug'10

DAY OF CYCLE~DAY 20?

On Paxil /stopped T3 on day of test

DHEA stopped 2 weeks prior/Progesterone stopped ~4 weeks prior

Estradiol........5.7H pg/ml 1.3-3.3 Premenopausal (Luteal) *ELEVATED

Progesterone...52L pg/ml 75-270 Premenopausal (Luteal) *DEFICIENT

Ratio: Pg/E2 .....9L Optimal: 100-500 when E2 1.3-3.3 pg/ml

Testosteron ....32 pg/ml 16-55 (Age Dependent) *SUBOPTIMAL

DHEAS .........11.6 ng/ml 2-23 (Age Dependent) *LOW IN RANGE

Comments:

Estradiol shows elevated, Progesterone deficient, Testosterone & DHEAS are

suboptimal

Deficient Progesterone means likely you also have low Aldosterone and

sitting/standing BP suggests this also.

However Sex Hormone results NOT valid as only stopped DHEA 2 weeks &

Progesterone 4 weeks before test & takes 6-8 weeks for Sex Hormones to reset to

`baseline' levels.

In addition Androgens (Testosterone & DHEAS) are not reliable when tested in

Saliva

Certainly look as if you need Progeaterone & DHEA (perhaps Testosterone too).

How much Progesterone do you usually take, what type (oral, transdermal,

bioidentical) & how dosed?

Cortisol Morning 9.2 ng/ml 3.7-9.5 *GOOD

Cortisol Noon 2.4 ng/ml 1.2-3.0 *OK

Cortisol Evening 1.4 ng/ml 0.6-1.9 *OK

Cortisol Night 1.3 ng/ml 0.4-1.0 *SLIGHTLY ELEVATED

Comments: Cortisol looks good however may have been higher than usual due to

stopping T3 day of test (increased Hypo increased Cortisol & Adrenaline?) and

still on Paxil (increases Cortisol).

BP & HR

Sitting 131 systolic/68 diastolic HR 82

Standing 107systolic/66 diastolic HR 81

Comments: BP dropping significantly on standing suggests electrolyte

imbalances/deficiencies & low Aldosterone.

Notes

1/ Need Sodium, Potassium, Aldosterone & Renin tested

2/ To correctly assess Sex Hormones status need to be tested in blood (day 21of

cycle)

-DHEAS

-SHBG

-Total & Free Testosterone

-Estradiol

-Progesterone

-FSH

-LH

3/ Taking D3 despite not testing for 2 ½ years? Need to test 25-OHD and

Corrected Calcium ASAP

4/ Normally would suggest B12 test however as already supping would suggest a

CBC with ESR instead.

5/ RBC Folate & RBC Magnesium would also be good.

Lethal Lee

>

> Hi Lee,

>

> I'm in Los Angeles in USA. Thanks so much for your reply and all your

knoweledge! I'm wondering if you are bored (ha!) if you would like to help me

understand these labs I just got back? all are saliva....

>

> And yes, I have read Janie's stuff a whole bunch of times I'm taking 3000

iu of vit. day per day right now... I hate this twitching feeling . I will put

that magnesium spray on my " list " of things to get when I can... I'm taking

about 20 mcg of t3 cynomel per day, split 3x sublingually. i get heart palps and

anxiety if i try to take more.... my ferritin was 15 recently, and my

saturation is 33%, and i'm taking 90 mg of iron right now w/ 2000-2500 g of vit.

c.

>

> Hormone Test In Range Out Of Range Units Range

> > Estradiol (saliva) 5.7H pg/ml 1.3-3.3 Premenopausal (Luteal)

> > Progesterone (saliva) 52L pg/ml 75-270 Premenopausal (Luteal)

> > Ratio: Pg/E2 (saliva) 9L Optimal: 100-500 when E2 1.3-3.3 pg/ml

> > Testosterone (saliva) 32 pg/ml 16-55 (Age Dependent)

> > DHEAS (saliva) 11.6 ng/ml 2-23 (Age Dependent)

> > Cortisol Morning (saliva) 9.2 ng/ml 3.7-9.5

> > Cortisol Noon (saliva) 2.4 ng/ml 1.2-3.0

> > Cortisol Evening (saliva) 1.4 ng/ml 0.6-1.9

> > Cortisol Night (saliva) 1.3H ng/ml 0.4-1.0

> >

>

> THANK YOU SO, SOOOOOOOOO much! this stuff is overwhelming me and my

anxiety is.... well it is there let's just say that

>

>

>

> >

> > Note some Labs may call it Erythrocyte Magnesium. Not all Labs do this test

either. There are a few posts on testing. Some Labs mentioned are

> >

> > Doctors Data http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/3739

> > LEF http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/3776

> > Genova http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/3807

> > Speciality Labs http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/11300

> > Econolabs http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/13840

> >

> > Have you seen Janie's blog?

> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/2010/05/19/magnesium/

> >

> > This is a good article

> > http://www.pbraunmd.org/magnesiu.htm

> >

> > Lee:With those symptoms I would strongly advise you try transdermal

magnesium. I recommend Ancient Minerals "

> > : I just looked it up, and sadly it's too expensive for me at this time,

with everything else I need to make sure I have

> >

> > It only costs US$29 to get the spray bottle. It will last you a long time &

is in fact much cheaper than oral supps.

> > http://www.magneticclay.com/store/magnesium-oil-ancient-minerals-8.aspx

> >

> > Lee:Personally I don't see how anyone can optimise/replentish Magnesium with

oral supps.

> > :Please can you tell me why??

> >

> > Basically you are limited in what you can absorb orally. Way before you can

absorb sufficient amounts you will get intolerance/bowel symptoms. You simply

cannot take ENOUGH orally. When you are ill & stressed you need far more

Magnesium too.

> >

> > Note Calcium intake is often far too high. Calcium is an antagonist of

Magnesium. High Calcium intake will require a correspondingly higher need for

Magnesium.

> >

> > Electrolytes ALL work together & need to be optimised & also Vit D works

together with Magnesium & Calcium.

> >

> > Lethal Lee

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

reviewed your posts on here & Adrenals group

(lroth39)

Rt3 group joined July'10

Background

Female 38yo

Los Angeles USA

No Doc currently

EBV positive

Ex Holtorf patient April'08- Jan'09

Ovarian Dysfunction /Low Sex Hormones (DHEA, Estradiol & Progesterone)

Rt3 Dominance(compounded t3 April'08-Jan'09)

AI (on up to 100mg compounded HC April'08-Jan'09)

CFS

Fibro

Insulin Resistance

Symptoms

Symptoms

Last 5 years wake up 7 times minimum per night always COVERED in sweat LOW

ALDO/SEX HORMONES

terrible nightmares

I still have my periods (regular 28 day cycle)

night hunger/starvation in the middle of the night SUGAR REGULATION ISSUES,

LIKELY RELATED TO CORTISOL LEVELS

weight gain 60lbs HYPOTHYROID

yellow skin & eyes LIKELY JAUNDICED DUE TO SLUGGISH LIVER FUNCTION COMMON WHEN

HYPO

extreme heat intolerance ELECTROLYTES & LOW ALDOSTERONE

dizziness ELECTROLYTES & LOW ALDOSTERONE

" twitching/jerky feeling in chest " ELECTROLYTES & MAGNESIUM

Tired & wired on T3

Meds/Supps

Sea Salt (started early Aug'10)

MSM (Sulfur) 12 g a day!!!!! THIS AMOUNT IS EXCESSIVE

Ritalin (was on this at one time)

Paxil 20mg (can increase Cortisol)

Chantrix (started July18th???) quit smoking less than two weeks ago (smoking

increases Cortisol)

Cynomel (started 5th July'10) current dose 20mcg daily (split into 3 doses)

Naturethroid for about 2 weeks (nothing for a year and a half)

Slow Fe 90mg Iron (started 5th Aug'10)

Flax Seed IS GOITROGEN & BAD FOR THYROID

Psyllium Husk 4 gm

Vit D 1000IU or 3000IU?

DHEA 10 mg for 3 weeks (dxed low by Holtorf 2 1/2 years ago) stopped 2 weeks

before Saliva Test

Progest Cream dxed by Holtorf 2 1/2 years ago for ovarian dysfunction(started

June22nd'10 stopped early July?)

Estradiol Cream (not currently taking it)

Vit B5 1000 mg

Vit B12

Selenium

Magnesium 800 mg

Vit C 2000-2500mg

Drenatrophin PRG (Bovine Adrenals) by Standard Process (started June 22'10

stopped 2 weeks before Saliva Test)

http://www.standardprocess.com/display/StandardProcessCatalog.spi?ID=63

Calcium 20mg

Each tablet supplies approximately 60 mg bovine adrenal PMG™ extract.

Proprietary Blend: 134 mg

Bovine adrenal PMG™ extract and magnesium citrate.

Other Ingredients: Calcium lactate, cellulose, and calcium stearate.

Hyland's Calms Forte (sleep/anxiety)

http://www.calmsforte.com/home/index.php?p=62

Homeopathic containing

-Passiflora 1X Triple Strength

-Avena Sativa (oat plant) 1X Double Strength

-Humulus Lupulus 1X Double Strength

-Chamomilla 2X (Chamomile)

- Calcarea Phosphorica 2X HPUS

-Ferrum Phosphoricum 3X HPUS

-Kali Phosphoricum 3X HPUS

-Natrum Phosphoricum 3X HPUS

-Magnesia Phosphoricum 3X HPUS

Theanine Serine Source Naturals- for anxiety/before bed for sleep

(stopped 2 weeks before Saliva Test)

http://sourcenaturalscatalog.com/sn1776.html

- Magnesium (as magnesium chelate) 300 mg

- GABA 500 mg

- Taurine 500 mg

- L-Theanine 200 mg

- Holy Basil Leaf Extract 5:1 100 mg LOWERS CORTISOL

-Other Ingredients: sorbitol, stearic acid, and modified cellulose gum.

Min Chex Standard Process -for anxiety (up to 9 a day)

http://www.standardprocess.com/display/StandardProcessCatalog.spi?ID=103

-Calcium 20mg

-Niacin niacinamide, 25mg

-B6 pyridoxine hydrochloride 5mg INACTIVE FORM

-Iodine from KELP 300mcg IODINE NOT RECOMMENDED IF HASHI " S. KELP CONTAINS

CONTAMINANTS

Each capsule supplies approximately 95 mg bovine orchic Cytosol™ extract.

Proprietary Blend: 274 mg Bovine orchic Cytosol™ extract, magnesium citrate,

manganese lactate, bovine liver, porcine stomach, SOY (BEAN), bovine spleen,

ovine spleen, para-aminobenzoate, defatted wheat (germ), porcine brain, and

ascorbic acid.

Other Ingredients: Calcium lactate, kelp, gelatin, niacinamide, water,

pyridoxine hydrochloride, calcium stearate, and colors.

Blood Sugar with Gymnema by Nature's Way (to keep my blood sugar/sugar

cravings/insulin resistance in check)

http://www.iherb.com/Nature-s-Way-Blood-Sugar-with-Gymnema-Certified-381-mg-90-C\

apsules/1820?at=1

- Vitamin A (80% as beta carotene from mixed carotenoids) 1505IU CAROTENES NOT

GOOD FOR HYPO

- Chromium (as chromium polynicotinate) 300mcg

-Cinnamon (bark) 400mg

-Fenugreek Extract (seed) 210mg

-Nopal Opuntia spp (leaf pad) 150mg

-Bitter Melon Momordica charantia extract (fruit) 150mg

-Gymnema Sylvestre extract 75% Gymnemic Acid (leaf) 100mg

-Bilberry (leaf) 100mg

-Other Ingredients Millet, Gelatin (capsule), Magnesium stearate

Labs (first tests in 2 years)

4th Aug'10

TIBC 280 ug/ dL range: 250–450 *ONLY 15% IN RANGE

UIBC 187 ug/ dL range: 150–375 *ONLY 16% IN RANGE

Iron, Serum 93 ug/ dL range: 35-155 *15% IN RANGE

Iron Saturation 33 % range: 15 - 55

17th July'10

Ferritin 15 range: 10–291 *LOW

Comments: It's not VALID to test Ferritin separately need to test ALL at same

time

Both TIBC & UIBC are very low in range meaning you have little capacity to

SAFELY absorb any more Iron. However these results are only valid IF you

followed correct protocols (no Iron supps for 5 days, tested early am, tested

food fasting, no high Iron foods for 2-3 days).

ZRT Saliva Tests 2nd Aug'10

DAY OF CYCLE~DAY 20?

On Paxil /stopped T3 on day of test

DHEA stopped 2 weeks prior/Progesterone stopped ~4 weeks prior

Estradiol........5.7H pg/ml 1.3-3.3 Premenopausal (Luteal) *ELEVATED

Progesterone...52L pg/ml 75-270 Premenopausal (Luteal) *DEFICIENT

Ratio: Pg/E2 .....9L Optimal: 100-500 when E2 1.3-3.3 pg/ml

Testosteron ....32 pg/ml 16-55 (Age Dependent) *SUBOPTIMAL

DHEAS .........11.6 ng/ml 2-23 (Age Dependent) *LOW IN RANGE

Comments:

Estradiol shows elevated, Progesterone deficient, Testosterone & DHEAS are

suboptimal

Deficient Progesterone means likely you also have low Aldosterone and

sitting/standing BP suggests this also.

However Sex Hormone results NOT valid as only stopped DHEA 2 weeks &

Progesterone 4 weeks before test & takes 6-8 weeks for Sex Hormones to reset to

`baseline' levels.

In addition Androgens (Testosterone & DHEAS) are not reliable when tested in

Saliva

Certainly look as if you need Progeaterone & DHEA (perhaps Testosterone too).

How much Progesterone do you usually take, what type (oral, transdermal,

bioidentical) & how dosed?

Cortisol Morning 9.2 ng/ml 3.7-9.5 *GOOD

Cortisol Noon 2.4 ng/ml 1.2-3.0 *OK

Cortisol Evening 1.4 ng/ml 0.6-1.9 *OK

Cortisol Night 1.3 ng/ml 0.4-1.0 *SLIGHTLY ELEVATED

Comments: Cortisol looks good however may have been higher than usual due to

stopping T3 day of test (increased Hypo increased Cortisol & Adrenaline?) and

still on Paxil (increases Cortisol).

BP & HR

Sitting 131 systolic/68 diastolic HR 82

Standing 107systolic/66 diastolic HR 81

Comments: BP dropping significantly on standing suggests electrolyte

imbalances/deficiencies & low Aldosterone.

Notes

1/ Need Sodium, Potassium, Aldosterone & Renin tested

2/ To correctly assess Sex Hormones status need to be tested in blood (day 21of

cycle)

-DHEAS

-SHBG

-Total & Free Testosterone

-Estradiol

-Progesterone

-FSH

-LH

3/ Taking D3 despite not testing for 2 ½ years? Need to test 25-OHD and

Corrected Calcium ASAP

4/ Normally would suggest B12 test however as already supping would suggest a

CBC with ESR instead.

5/ RBC Folate & RBC Magnesium would also be good.

Lethal Lee

>

> Hi Lee,

>

> I'm in Los Angeles in USA. Thanks so much for your reply and all your

knoweledge! I'm wondering if you are bored (ha!) if you would like to help me

understand these labs I just got back? all are saliva....

>

> And yes, I have read Janie's stuff a whole bunch of times I'm taking 3000

iu of vit. day per day right now... I hate this twitching feeling . I will put

that magnesium spray on my " list " of things to get when I can... I'm taking

about 20 mcg of t3 cynomel per day, split 3x sublingually. i get heart palps and

anxiety if i try to take more.... my ferritin was 15 recently, and my

saturation is 33%, and i'm taking 90 mg of iron right now w/ 2000-2500 g of vit.

c.

>

> Hormone Test In Range Out Of Range Units Range

> > Estradiol (saliva) 5.7H pg/ml 1.3-3.3 Premenopausal (Luteal)

> > Progesterone (saliva) 52L pg/ml 75-270 Premenopausal (Luteal)

> > Ratio: Pg/E2 (saliva) 9L Optimal: 100-500 when E2 1.3-3.3 pg/ml

> > Testosterone (saliva) 32 pg/ml 16-55 (Age Dependent)

> > DHEAS (saliva) 11.6 ng/ml 2-23 (Age Dependent)

> > Cortisol Morning (saliva) 9.2 ng/ml 3.7-9.5

> > Cortisol Noon (saliva) 2.4 ng/ml 1.2-3.0

> > Cortisol Evening (saliva) 1.4 ng/ml 0.6-1.9

> > Cortisol Night (saliva) 1.3H ng/ml 0.4-1.0

> >

>

> THANK YOU SO, SOOOOOOOOO much! this stuff is overwhelming me and my

anxiety is.... well it is there let's just say that

>

>

>

> >

> > Note some Labs may call it Erythrocyte Magnesium. Not all Labs do this test

either. There are a few posts on testing. Some Labs mentioned are

> >

> > Doctors Data http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/3739

> > LEF http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/3776

> > Genova http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/3807

> > Speciality Labs http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/11300

> > Econolabs http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/13840

> >

> > Have you seen Janie's blog?

> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/2010/05/19/magnesium/

> >

> > This is a good article

> > http://www.pbraunmd.org/magnesiu.htm

> >

> > Lee:With those symptoms I would strongly advise you try transdermal

magnesium. I recommend Ancient Minerals "

> > : I just looked it up, and sadly it's too expensive for me at this time,

with everything else I need to make sure I have

> >

> > It only costs US$29 to get the spray bottle. It will last you a long time &

is in fact much cheaper than oral supps.

> > http://www.magneticclay.com/store/magnesium-oil-ancient-minerals-8.aspx

> >

> > Lee:Personally I don't see how anyone can optimise/replentish Magnesium with

oral supps.

> > :Please can you tell me why??

> >

> > Basically you are limited in what you can absorb orally. Way before you can

absorb sufficient amounts you will get intolerance/bowel symptoms. You simply

cannot take ENOUGH orally. When you are ill & stressed you need far more

Magnesium too.

> >

> > Note Calcium intake is often far too high. Calcium is an antagonist of

Magnesium. High Calcium intake will require a correspondingly higher need for

Magnesium.

> >

> > Electrolytes ALL work together & need to be optimised & also Vit D works

together with Magnesium & Calcium.

> >

> > Lethal Lee

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

reviewed your posts on here & Adrenals group

(lroth39)

Rt3 group joined July'10

Background

Female 38yo

Los Angeles USA

No Doc currently

EBV positive

Ex Holtorf patient April'08- Jan'09

Ovarian Dysfunction /Low Sex Hormones (DHEA, Estradiol & Progesterone)

Rt3 Dominance(compounded t3 April'08-Jan'09)

AI (on up to 100mg compounded HC April'08-Jan'09)

CFS

Fibro

Insulin Resistance

Symptoms

Symptoms

Last 5 years wake up 7 times minimum per night always COVERED in sweat LOW

ALDO/SEX HORMONES

terrible nightmares

I still have my periods (regular 28 day cycle)

night hunger/starvation in the middle of the night SUGAR REGULATION ISSUES,

LIKELY RELATED TO CORTISOL LEVELS

weight gain 60lbs HYPOTHYROID

yellow skin & eyes LIKELY JAUNDICED DUE TO SLUGGISH LIVER FUNCTION COMMON WHEN

HYPO

extreme heat intolerance ELECTROLYTES & LOW ALDOSTERONE

dizziness ELECTROLYTES & LOW ALDOSTERONE

" twitching/jerky feeling in chest " ELECTROLYTES & MAGNESIUM

Tired & wired on T3

Meds/Supps

Sea Salt (started early Aug'10)

MSM (Sulfur) 12 g a day!!!!! THIS AMOUNT IS EXCESSIVE

Ritalin (was on this at one time)

Paxil 20mg (can increase Cortisol)

Chantrix (started July18th???) quit smoking less than two weeks ago (smoking

increases Cortisol)

Cynomel (started 5th July'10) current dose 20mcg daily (split into 3 doses)

Naturethroid for about 2 weeks (nothing for a year and a half)

Slow Fe 90mg Iron (started 5th Aug'10)

Flax Seed IS GOITROGEN & BAD FOR THYROID

Psyllium Husk 4 gm

Vit D 1000IU or 3000IU?

DHEA 10 mg for 3 weeks (dxed low by Holtorf 2 1/2 years ago) stopped 2 weeks

before Saliva Test

Progest Cream dxed by Holtorf 2 1/2 years ago for ovarian dysfunction(started

June22nd'10 stopped early July?)

Estradiol Cream (not currently taking it)

Vit B5 1000 mg

Vit B12

Selenium

Magnesium 800 mg

Vit C 2000-2500mg

Drenatrophin PRG (Bovine Adrenals) by Standard Process (started June 22'10

stopped 2 weeks before Saliva Test)

http://www.standardprocess.com/display/StandardProcessCatalog.spi?ID=63

Calcium 20mg

Each tablet supplies approximately 60 mg bovine adrenal PMG™ extract.

Proprietary Blend: 134 mg

Bovine adrenal PMG™ extract and magnesium citrate.

Other Ingredients: Calcium lactate, cellulose, and calcium stearate.

Hyland's Calms Forte (sleep/anxiety)

http://www.calmsforte.com/home/index.php?p=62

Homeopathic containing

-Passiflora 1X Triple Strength

-Avena Sativa (oat plant) 1X Double Strength

-Humulus Lupulus 1X Double Strength

-Chamomilla 2X (Chamomile)

- Calcarea Phosphorica 2X HPUS

-Ferrum Phosphoricum 3X HPUS

-Kali Phosphoricum 3X HPUS

-Natrum Phosphoricum 3X HPUS

-Magnesia Phosphoricum 3X HPUS

Theanine Serine Source Naturals- for anxiety/before bed for sleep

(stopped 2 weeks before Saliva Test)

http://sourcenaturalscatalog.com/sn1776.html

- Magnesium (as magnesium chelate) 300 mg

- GABA 500 mg

- Taurine 500 mg

- L-Theanine 200 mg

- Holy Basil Leaf Extract 5:1 100 mg LOWERS CORTISOL

-Other Ingredients: sorbitol, stearic acid, and modified cellulose gum.

Min Chex Standard Process -for anxiety (up to 9 a day)

http://www.standardprocess.com/display/StandardProcessCatalog.spi?ID=103

-Calcium 20mg

-Niacin niacinamide, 25mg

-B6 pyridoxine hydrochloride 5mg INACTIVE FORM

-Iodine from KELP 300mcg IODINE NOT RECOMMENDED IF HASHI " S. KELP CONTAINS

CONTAMINANTS

Each capsule supplies approximately 95 mg bovine orchic Cytosol™ extract.

Proprietary Blend: 274 mg Bovine orchic Cytosol™ extract, magnesium citrate,

manganese lactate, bovine liver, porcine stomach, SOY (BEAN), bovine spleen,

ovine spleen, para-aminobenzoate, defatted wheat (germ), porcine brain, and

ascorbic acid.

Other Ingredients: Calcium lactate, kelp, gelatin, niacinamide, water,

pyridoxine hydrochloride, calcium stearate, and colors.

Blood Sugar with Gymnema by Nature's Way (to keep my blood sugar/sugar

cravings/insulin resistance in check)

http://www.iherb.com/Nature-s-Way-Blood-Sugar-with-Gymnema-Certified-381-mg-90-C\

apsules/1820?at=1

- Vitamin A (80% as beta carotene from mixed carotenoids) 1505IU CAROTENES NOT

GOOD FOR HYPO

- Chromium (as chromium polynicotinate) 300mcg

-Cinnamon (bark) 400mg

-Fenugreek Extract (seed) 210mg

-Nopal Opuntia spp (leaf pad) 150mg

-Bitter Melon Momordica charantia extract (fruit) 150mg

-Gymnema Sylvestre extract 75% Gymnemic Acid (leaf) 100mg

-Bilberry (leaf) 100mg

-Other Ingredients Millet, Gelatin (capsule), Magnesium stearate

Labs (first tests in 2 years)

4th Aug'10

TIBC 280 ug/ dL range: 250–450 *ONLY 15% IN RANGE

UIBC 187 ug/ dL range: 150–375 *ONLY 16% IN RANGE

Iron, Serum 93 ug/ dL range: 35-155 *15% IN RANGE

Iron Saturation 33 % range: 15 - 55

17th July'10

Ferritin 15 range: 10–291 *LOW

Comments: It's not VALID to test Ferritin separately need to test ALL at same

time

Both TIBC & UIBC are very low in range meaning you have little capacity to

SAFELY absorb any more Iron. However these results are only valid IF you

followed correct protocols (no Iron supps for 5 days, tested early am, tested

food fasting, no high Iron foods for 2-3 days).

ZRT Saliva Tests 2nd Aug'10

DAY OF CYCLE~DAY 20?

On Paxil /stopped T3 on day of test

DHEA stopped 2 weeks prior/Progesterone stopped ~4 weeks prior

Estradiol........5.7H pg/ml 1.3-3.3 Premenopausal (Luteal) *ELEVATED

Progesterone...52L pg/ml 75-270 Premenopausal (Luteal) *DEFICIENT

Ratio: Pg/E2 .....9L Optimal: 100-500 when E2 1.3-3.3 pg/ml

Testosteron ....32 pg/ml 16-55 (Age Dependent) *SUBOPTIMAL

DHEAS .........11.6 ng/ml 2-23 (Age Dependent) *LOW IN RANGE

Comments:

Estradiol shows elevated, Progesterone deficient, Testosterone & DHEAS are

suboptimal

Deficient Progesterone means likely you also have low Aldosterone and

sitting/standing BP suggests this also.

However Sex Hormone results NOT valid as only stopped DHEA 2 weeks &

Progesterone 4 weeks before test & takes 6-8 weeks for Sex Hormones to reset to

`baseline' levels.

In addition Androgens (Testosterone & DHEAS) are not reliable when tested in

Saliva

Certainly look as if you need Progeaterone & DHEA (perhaps Testosterone too).

How much Progesterone do you usually take, what type (oral, transdermal,

bioidentical) & how dosed?

Cortisol Morning 9.2 ng/ml 3.7-9.5 *GOOD

Cortisol Noon 2.4 ng/ml 1.2-3.0 *OK

Cortisol Evening 1.4 ng/ml 0.6-1.9 *OK

Cortisol Night 1.3 ng/ml 0.4-1.0 *SLIGHTLY ELEVATED

Comments: Cortisol looks good however may have been higher than usual due to

stopping T3 day of test (increased Hypo increased Cortisol & Adrenaline?) and

still on Paxil (increases Cortisol).

BP & HR

Sitting 131 systolic/68 diastolic HR 82

Standing 107systolic/66 diastolic HR 81

Comments: BP dropping significantly on standing suggests electrolyte

imbalances/deficiencies & low Aldosterone.

Notes

1/ Need Sodium, Potassium, Aldosterone & Renin tested

2/ To correctly assess Sex Hormones status need to be tested in blood (day 21of

cycle)

-DHEAS

-SHBG

-Total & Free Testosterone

-Estradiol

-Progesterone

-FSH

-LH

3/ Taking D3 despite not testing for 2 ½ years? Need to test 25-OHD and

Corrected Calcium ASAP

4/ Normally would suggest B12 test however as already supping would suggest a

CBC with ESR instead.

5/ RBC Folate & RBC Magnesium would also be good.

Lethal Lee

>

> Hi Lee,

>

> I'm in Los Angeles in USA. Thanks so much for your reply and all your

knoweledge! I'm wondering if you are bored (ha!) if you would like to help me

understand these labs I just got back? all are saliva....

>

> And yes, I have read Janie's stuff a whole bunch of times I'm taking 3000

iu of vit. day per day right now... I hate this twitching feeling . I will put

that magnesium spray on my " list " of things to get when I can... I'm taking

about 20 mcg of t3 cynomel per day, split 3x sublingually. i get heart palps and

anxiety if i try to take more.... my ferritin was 15 recently, and my

saturation is 33%, and i'm taking 90 mg of iron right now w/ 2000-2500 g of vit.

c.

>

> Hormone Test In Range Out Of Range Units Range

> > Estradiol (saliva) 5.7H pg/ml 1.3-3.3 Premenopausal (Luteal)

> > Progesterone (saliva) 52L pg/ml 75-270 Premenopausal (Luteal)

> > Ratio: Pg/E2 (saliva) 9L Optimal: 100-500 when E2 1.3-3.3 pg/ml

> > Testosterone (saliva) 32 pg/ml 16-55 (Age Dependent)

> > DHEAS (saliva) 11.6 ng/ml 2-23 (Age Dependent)

> > Cortisol Morning (saliva) 9.2 ng/ml 3.7-9.5

> > Cortisol Noon (saliva) 2.4 ng/ml 1.2-3.0

> > Cortisol Evening (saliva) 1.4 ng/ml 0.6-1.9

> > Cortisol Night (saliva) 1.3H ng/ml 0.4-1.0

> >

>

> THANK YOU SO, SOOOOOOOOO much! this stuff is overwhelming me and my

anxiety is.... well it is there let's just say that

>

>

>

> >

> > Note some Labs may call it Erythrocyte Magnesium. Not all Labs do this test

either. There are a few posts on testing. Some Labs mentioned are

> >

> > Doctors Data http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/3739

> > LEF http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/3776

> > Genova http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/3807

> > Speciality Labs http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/11300

> > Econolabs http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/13840

> >

> > Have you seen Janie's blog?

> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/2010/05/19/magnesium/

> >

> > This is a good article

> > http://www.pbraunmd.org/magnesiu.htm

> >

> > Lee:With those symptoms I would strongly advise you try transdermal

magnesium. I recommend Ancient Minerals "

> > : I just looked it up, and sadly it's too expensive for me at this time,

with everything else I need to make sure I have

> >

> > It only costs US$29 to get the spray bottle. It will last you a long time &

is in fact much cheaper than oral supps.

> > http://www.magneticclay.com/store/magnesium-oil-ancient-minerals-8.aspx

> >

> > Lee:Personally I don't see how anyone can optimise/replentish Magnesium with

oral supps.

> > :Please can you tell me why??

> >

> > Basically you are limited in what you can absorb orally. Way before you can

absorb sufficient amounts you will get intolerance/bowel symptoms. You simply

cannot take ENOUGH orally. When you are ill & stressed you need far more

Magnesium too.

> >

> > Note Calcium intake is often far too high. Calcium is an antagonist of

Magnesium. High Calcium intake will require a correspondingly higher need for

Magnesium.

> >

> > Electrolytes ALL work together & need to be optimised & also Vit D works

together with Magnesium & Calcium.

> >

> > Lethal Lee

>

[Guest guest]

WOW! thank you SO MUCH Lee! I am so overwhelmed by all of this I

am in serious financial bind, and I do not think I can afford more testing in

any capacity for months... I just spent what little I do have on supplements.

I do not know what to do.

Some of these things I have changed, stopped taking, take more of etc... I can

make notes on them in a bit, I'm kind of too overwhelmed to do it at the moment,

I just wanted to thank you for going over this so thoroughly. It means a lot and

is very helpful, I've been worried about doing this on my own without a dr. (I

think I would feel differently if i could AFFORD a dr. and just chose not to go

to one

xo

>

> Hi ,

>

> reviewed your posts on here & Adrenals group

>

> (lroth39)

>

> Rt3 group joined July'10

>

> Background

> Female 38yo

> Los Angeles USA

> No Doc currently

> EBV positive

> Ex Holtorf patient April'08- Jan'09

> Ovarian Dysfunction /Low Sex Hormones (DHEA, Estradiol & Progesterone)

> Rt3 Dominance(compounded t3 April'08-Jan'09)

> AI (on up to 100mg compounded HC April'08-Jan'09)

> CFS

> Fibro

> Insulin Resistance

>

> Symptoms

> Symptoms

> Last 5 years wake up 7 times minimum per night always COVERED in sweat LOW

ALDO/SEX HORMONES

> terrible nightmares

> I still have my periods (regular 28 day cycle)

> night hunger/starvation in the middle of the night SUGAR REGULATION ISSUES,

LIKELY RELATED TO CORTISOL LEVELS

> weight gain 60lbs HYPOTHYROID

> yellow skin & eyes LIKELY JAUNDICED DUE TO SLUGGISH LIVER FUNCTION COMMON WHEN

HYPO

> extreme heat intolerance ELECTROLYTES & LOW ALDOSTERONE

> dizziness ELECTROLYTES & LOW ALDOSTERONE

> " twitching/jerky feeling in chest " ELECTROLYTES & MAGNESIUM

> Tired & wired on T3

>

> Meds/Supps

> Sea Salt (started early Aug'10)

> MSM (Sulfur) 12 g a day!!!!! THIS AMOUNT IS EXCESSIVE

> Ritalin (was on this at one time)

> Paxil 20mg (can increase Cortisol)

> Chantrix (started July18th???) quit smoking less than two weeks ago (smoking

increases Cortisol)

> Cynomel (started 5th July'10) current dose 20mcg daily (split into 3 doses)

> Naturethroid for about 2 weeks (nothing for a year and a half)

> Slow Fe 90mg Iron (started 5th Aug'10)

> Flax Seed IS GOITROGEN & BAD FOR THYROID

> Psyllium Husk 4 gm

> Vit D 1000IU or 3000IU?

> DHEA 10 mg for 3 weeks (dxed low by Holtorf 2 1/2 years ago) stopped 2 weeks

before Saliva Test

> Progest Cream dxed by Holtorf 2 1/2 years ago for ovarian dysfunction(started

June22nd'10 stopped early July?)

> Estradiol Cream (not currently taking it)

> Vit B5 1000 mg

> Vit B12

> Selenium

> Magnesium 800 mg

> Vit C 2000-2500mg

>

> Drenatrophin PRG (Bovine Adrenals) by Standard Process (started June 22'10

stopped 2 weeks before Saliva Test)

> http://www.standardprocess.com/display/StandardProcessCatalog.spi?ID=63

> Calcium 20mg

> Each tablet supplies approximately 60 mg bovine adrenal PMG™ extract.

> Proprietary Blend: 134 mg

> Bovine adrenal PMG™ extract and magnesium citrate.

> Other Ingredients: Calcium lactate, cellulose, and calcium stearate.

>

>

> Hyland's Calms Forte (sleep/anxiety)

> http://www.calmsforte.com/home/index.php?p=62

> Homeopathic containing

> -Passiflora 1X Triple Strength

> -Avena Sativa (oat plant) 1X Double Strength

> -Humulus Lupulus 1X Double Strength

> -Chamomilla 2X (Chamomile)

> - Calcarea Phosphorica 2X HPUS

> -Ferrum Phosphoricum 3X HPUS

> -Kali Phosphoricum 3X HPUS

> -Natrum Phosphoricum 3X HPUS

> -Magnesia Phosphoricum 3X HPUS

>

> Theanine Serine Source Naturals- for anxiety/before bed for sleep

> (stopped 2 weeks before Saliva Test)

> http://sourcenaturalscatalog.com/sn1776.html

> - Magnesium (as magnesium chelate) 300 mg

> - GABA 500 mg

> - Taurine 500 mg

> - L-Theanine 200 mg

> - Holy Basil Leaf Extract 5:1 100 mg LOWERS CORTISOL

> -Other Ingredients: sorbitol, stearic acid, and modified cellulose gum.

>

> Min Chex Standard Process -for anxiety (up to 9 a day)

> http://www.standardprocess.com/display/StandardProcessCatalog.spi?ID=103

> -Calcium 20mg

> -Niacin niacinamide, 25mg

> -B6 pyridoxine hydrochloride 5mg INACTIVE FORM

> -Iodine from KELP 300mcg IODINE NOT RECOMMENDED IF HASHI " S. KELP CONTAINS

CONTAMINANTS

> Each capsule supplies approximately 95 mg bovine orchic Cytosol™ extract.

> Proprietary Blend: 274 mg Bovine orchic Cytosol™ extract, magnesium citrate,

manganese lactate, bovine liver, porcine stomach, SOY (BEAN), bovine spleen,

ovine spleen, para-aminobenzoate, defatted wheat (germ), porcine brain, and

ascorbic acid.

> Other Ingredients: Calcium lactate, kelp, gelatin, niacinamide, water,

pyridoxine hydrochloride, calcium stearate, and colors.

>

> Blood Sugar with Gymnema by Nature's Way (to keep my blood sugar/sugar

cravings/insulin resistance in check)

>

http://www.iherb.com/Nature-s-Way-Blood-Sugar-with-Gymnema-Certified-381-mg-90-C\

apsules/1820?at=1

> - Vitamin A (80% as beta carotene from mixed carotenoids) 1505IU CAROTENES NOT

GOOD FOR HYPO

> - Chromium (as chromium polynicotinate) 300mcg

> -Cinnamon (bark) 400mg

> -Fenugreek Extract (seed) 210mg

> -Nopal Opuntia spp (leaf pad) 150mg

> -Bitter Melon Momordica charantia extract (fruit) 150mg

> -Gymnema Sylvestre extract 75% Gymnemic Acid (leaf) 100mg

> -Bilberry (leaf) 100mg

> -Other Ingredients Millet, Gelatin (capsule), Magnesium stearate

>

> Labs (first tests in 2 years)

> 4th Aug'10

> TIBC 280 ug/ dL range: 250–450 *ONLY 15% IN RANGE

> UIBC 187 ug/ dL range: 150–375 *ONLY 16% IN RANGE

> Iron, Serum 93 ug/ dL range: 35-155 *15% IN RANGE

> Iron Saturation 33 % range: 15 - 55

> 17th July'10

> Ferritin 15 range: 10–291 *LOW

>

> Comments: It's not VALID to test Ferritin separately need to test ALL at same

time

> Both TIBC & UIBC are very low in range meaning you have little capacity to

SAFELY absorb any more Iron. However these results are only valid IF you

followed correct protocols (no Iron supps for 5 days, tested early am, tested

food fasting, no high Iron foods for 2-3 days).

>

> ZRT Saliva Tests 2nd Aug'10

> DAY OF CYCLE~DAY 20?

> On Paxil /stopped T3 on day of test

> DHEA stopped 2 weeks prior/Progesterone stopped ~4 weeks prior

>

> Estradiol........5.7H pg/ml 1.3-3.3 Premenopausal (Luteal) *ELEVATED

> Progesterone...52L pg/ml 75-270 Premenopausal (Luteal) *DEFICIENT

> Ratio: Pg/E2 .....9L Optimal: 100-500 when E2 1.3-3.3 pg/ml

> Testosteron ....32 pg/ml 16-55 (Age Dependent) *SUBOPTIMAL

> DHEAS .........11.6 ng/ml 2-23 (Age Dependent) *LOW IN RANGE

>

> Comments:

> Estradiol shows elevated, Progesterone deficient, Testosterone & DHEAS are

suboptimal

> Deficient Progesterone means likely you also have low Aldosterone and

sitting/standing BP suggests this also.

> However Sex Hormone results NOT valid as only stopped DHEA 2 weeks &

Progesterone 4 weeks before test & takes 6-8 weeks for Sex Hormones to reset to

`baseline' levels.

> In addition Androgens (Testosterone & DHEAS) are not reliable when tested in

Saliva

> Certainly look as if you need Progeaterone & DHEA (perhaps Testosterone too).

> How much Progesterone do you usually take, what type (oral, transdermal,

bioidentical) & how dosed?

>

> Cortisol Morning 9.2 ng/ml 3.7-9.5 *GOOD

> Cortisol Noon 2.4 ng/ml 1.2-3.0 *OK

> Cortisol Evening 1.4 ng/ml 0.6-1.9 *OK

> Cortisol Night 1.3 ng/ml 0.4-1.0 *SLIGHTLY ELEVATED

>

> Comments: Cortisol looks good however may have been higher than usual due to

stopping T3 day of test (increased Hypo increased Cortisol & Adrenaline?) and

still on Paxil (increases Cortisol).

>

> BP & HR

> Sitting 131 systolic/68 diastolic HR 82

> Standing 107systolic/66 diastolic HR 81

>

> Comments: BP dropping significantly on standing suggests electrolyte

imbalances/deficiencies & low Aldosterone.

>

> Notes

> 1/ Need Sodium, Potassium, Aldosterone & Renin tested

>

> 2/ To correctly assess Sex Hormones status need to be tested in blood (day

21of cycle)

> -DHEAS

> -SHBG

> -Total & Free Testosterone

> -Estradiol

> -Progesterone

> -FSH

> -LH

>

> 3/ Taking D3 despite not testing for 2 ½ years? Need to test 25-OHD and

Corrected Calcium ASAP

>

> 4/ Normally would suggest B12 test however as already supping would suggest a

CBC with ESR instead.

>

> 5/ RBC Folate & RBC Magnesium would also be good.

>

> Lethal Lee

>

[Guest guest]

WOW! thank you SO MUCH Lee! I am so overwhelmed by all of this I

am in serious financial bind, and I do not think I can afford more testing in

any capacity for months... I just spent what little I do have on supplements.

I do not know what to do.

Some of these things I have changed, stopped taking, take more of etc... I can

make notes on them in a bit, I'm kind of too overwhelmed to do it at the moment,

I just wanted to thank you for going over this so thoroughly. It means a lot and

is very helpful, I've been worried about doing this on my own without a dr. (I

think I would feel differently if i could AFFORD a dr. and just chose not to go

to one

xo

>

> Hi ,

>

> reviewed your posts on here & Adrenals group

>

> (lroth39)

>

> Rt3 group joined July'10

>

> Background

> Female 38yo

> Los Angeles USA

> No Doc currently

> EBV positive

> Ex Holtorf patient April'08- Jan'09

> Ovarian Dysfunction /Low Sex Hormones (DHEA, Estradiol & Progesterone)

> Rt3 Dominance(compounded t3 April'08-Jan'09)

> AI (on up to 100mg compounded HC April'08-Jan'09)

> CFS

> Fibro

> Insulin Resistance

>

> Symptoms

> Symptoms

> Last 5 years wake up 7 times minimum per night always COVERED in sweat LOW

ALDO/SEX HORMONES

> terrible nightmares

> I still have my periods (regular 28 day cycle)

> night hunger/starvation in the middle of the night SUGAR REGULATION ISSUES,

LIKELY RELATED TO CORTISOL LEVELS

> weight gain 60lbs HYPOTHYROID

> yellow skin & eyes LIKELY JAUNDICED DUE TO SLUGGISH LIVER FUNCTION COMMON WHEN

HYPO

> extreme heat intolerance ELECTROLYTES & LOW ALDOSTERONE

> dizziness ELECTROLYTES & LOW ALDOSTERONE

> " twitching/jerky feeling in chest " ELECTROLYTES & MAGNESIUM

> Tired & wired on T3

>

> Meds/Supps

> Sea Salt (started early Aug'10)

> MSM (Sulfur) 12 g a day!!!!! THIS AMOUNT IS EXCESSIVE

> Ritalin (was on this at one time)

> Paxil 20mg (can increase Cortisol)

> Chantrix (started July18th???) quit smoking less than two weeks ago (smoking

increases Cortisol)

> Cynomel (started 5th July'10) current dose 20mcg daily (split into 3 doses)

> Naturethroid for about 2 weeks (nothing for a year and a half)

> Slow Fe 90mg Iron (started 5th Aug'10)

> Flax Seed IS GOITROGEN & BAD FOR THYROID

> Psyllium Husk 4 gm

> Vit D 1000IU or 3000IU?

> DHEA 10 mg for 3 weeks (dxed low by Holtorf 2 1/2 years ago) stopped 2 weeks

before Saliva Test

> Progest Cream dxed by Holtorf 2 1/2 years ago for ovarian dysfunction(started

June22nd'10 stopped early July?)

> Estradiol Cream (not currently taking it)

> Vit B5 1000 mg

> Vit B12

> Selenium

> Magnesium 800 mg

> Vit C 2000-2500mg

>

> Drenatrophin PRG (Bovine Adrenals) by Standard Process (started June 22'10

stopped 2 weeks before Saliva Test)

> http://www.standardprocess.com/display/StandardProcessCatalog.spi?ID=63

> Calcium 20mg

> Each tablet supplies approximately 60 mg bovine adrenal PMG™ extract.

> Proprietary Blend: 134 mg

> Bovine adrenal PMG™ extract and magnesium citrate.

> Other Ingredients: Calcium lactate, cellulose, and calcium stearate.

>

>

> Hyland's Calms Forte (sleep/anxiety)

> http://www.calmsforte.com/home/index.php?p=62

> Homeopathic containing

> -Passiflora 1X Triple Strength

> -Avena Sativa (oat plant) 1X Double Strength

> -Humulus Lupulus 1X Double Strength

> -Chamomilla 2X (Chamomile)

> - Calcarea Phosphorica 2X HPUS

> -Ferrum Phosphoricum 3X HPUS

> -Kali Phosphoricum 3X HPUS

> -Natrum Phosphoricum 3X HPUS

> -Magnesia Phosphoricum 3X HPUS

>

> Theanine Serine Source Naturals- for anxiety/before bed for sleep

> (stopped 2 weeks before Saliva Test)

> http://sourcenaturalscatalog.com/sn1776.html

> - Magnesium (as magnesium chelate) 300 mg

> - GABA 500 mg

> - Taurine 500 mg

> - L-Theanine 200 mg

> - Holy Basil Leaf Extract 5:1 100 mg LOWERS CORTISOL

> -Other Ingredients: sorbitol, stearic acid, and modified cellulose gum.

>

> Min Chex Standard Process -for anxiety (up to 9 a day)

> http://www.standardprocess.com/display/StandardProcessCatalog.spi?ID=103

> -Calcium 20mg

> -Niacin niacinamide, 25mg

> -B6 pyridoxine hydrochloride 5mg INACTIVE FORM

> -Iodine from KELP 300mcg IODINE NOT RECOMMENDED IF HASHI " S. KELP CONTAINS

CONTAMINANTS

> Each capsule supplies approximately 95 mg bovine orchic Cytosol™ extract.

> Proprietary Blend: 274 mg Bovine orchic Cytosol™ extract, magnesium citrate,

manganese lactate, bovine liver, porcine stomach, SOY (BEAN), bovine spleen,

ovine spleen, para-aminobenzoate, defatted wheat (germ), porcine brain, and

ascorbic acid.

> Other Ingredients: Calcium lactate, kelp, gelatin, niacinamide, water,

pyridoxine hydrochloride, calcium stearate, and colors.

>

> Blood Sugar with Gymnema by Nature's Way (to keep my blood sugar/sugar

cravings/insulin resistance in check)

>

http://www.iherb.com/Nature-s-Way-Blood-Sugar-with-Gymnema-Certified-381-mg-90-C\

apsules/1820?at=1

> - Vitamin A (80% as beta carotene from mixed carotenoids) 1505IU CAROTENES NOT

GOOD FOR HYPO

> - Chromium (as chromium polynicotinate) 300mcg

> -Cinnamon (bark) 400mg

> -Fenugreek Extract (seed) 210mg

> -Nopal Opuntia spp (leaf pad) 150mg

> -Bitter Melon Momordica charantia extract (fruit) 150mg

> -Gymnema Sylvestre extract 75% Gymnemic Acid (leaf) 100mg

> -Bilberry (leaf) 100mg

> -Other Ingredients Millet, Gelatin (capsule), Magnesium stearate

>

> Labs (first tests in 2 years)

> 4th Aug'10

> TIBC 280 ug/ dL range: 250–450 *ONLY 15% IN RANGE

> UIBC 187 ug/ dL range: 150–375 *ONLY 16% IN RANGE

> Iron, Serum 93 ug/ dL range: 35-155 *15% IN RANGE

> Iron Saturation 33 % range: 15 - 55

> 17th July'10

> Ferritin 15 range: 10–291 *LOW

>

> Comments: It's not VALID to test Ferritin separately need to test ALL at same

time

> Both TIBC & UIBC are very low in range meaning you have little capacity to

SAFELY absorb any more Iron. However these results are only valid IF you

followed correct protocols (no Iron supps for 5 days, tested early am, tested

food fasting, no high Iron foods for 2-3 days).

>

> ZRT Saliva Tests 2nd Aug'10

> DAY OF CYCLE~DAY 20?

> On Paxil /stopped T3 on day of test

> DHEA stopped 2 weeks prior/Progesterone stopped ~4 weeks prior

>

> Estradiol........5.7H pg/ml 1.3-3.3 Premenopausal (Luteal) *ELEVATED

> Progesterone...52L pg/ml 75-270 Premenopausal (Luteal) *DEFICIENT

> Ratio: Pg/E2 .....9L Optimal: 100-500 when E2 1.3-3.3 pg/ml

> Testosteron ....32 pg/ml 16-55 (Age Dependent) *SUBOPTIMAL

> DHEAS .........11.6 ng/ml 2-23 (Age Dependent) *LOW IN RANGE

>

> Comments:

> Estradiol shows elevated, Progesterone deficient, Testosterone & DHEAS are

suboptimal

> Deficient Progesterone means likely you also have low Aldosterone and

sitting/standing BP suggests this also.

> However Sex Hormone results NOT valid as only stopped DHEA 2 weeks &

Progesterone 4 weeks before test & takes 6-8 weeks for Sex Hormones to reset to

`baseline' levels.

> In addition Androgens (Testosterone & DHEAS) are not reliable when tested in

Saliva

> Certainly look as if you need Progeaterone & DHEA (perhaps Testosterone too).

> How much Progesterone do you usually take, what type (oral, transdermal,

bioidentical) & how dosed?

>

> Cortisol Morning 9.2 ng/ml 3.7-9.5 *GOOD

> Cortisol Noon 2.4 ng/ml 1.2-3.0 *OK

> Cortisol Evening 1.4 ng/ml 0.6-1.9 *OK

> Cortisol Night 1.3 ng/ml 0.4-1.0 *SLIGHTLY ELEVATED

>

> Comments: Cortisol looks good however may have been higher than usual due to

stopping T3 day of test (increased Hypo increased Cortisol & Adrenaline?) and

still on Paxil (increases Cortisol).

>

> BP & HR

> Sitting 131 systolic/68 diastolic HR 82

> Standing 107systolic/66 diastolic HR 81

>

> Comments: BP dropping significantly on standing suggests electrolyte

imbalances/deficiencies & low Aldosterone.

>

> Notes

> 1/ Need Sodium, Potassium, Aldosterone & Renin tested

>

> 2/ To correctly assess Sex Hormones status need to be tested in blood (day

21of cycle)

> -DHEAS

> -SHBG

> -Total & Free Testosterone

> -Estradiol

> -Progesterone

> -FSH

> -LH

>

> 3/ Taking D3 despite not testing for 2 ½ years? Need to test 25-OHD and

Corrected Calcium ASAP

>

> 4/ Normally would suggest B12 test however as already supping would suggest a

CBC with ESR instead.

>

> 5/ RBC Folate & RBC Magnesium would also be good.

>

> Lethal Lee

>

[Guest guest]

WOW! thank you SO MUCH Lee! I am so overwhelmed by all of this I

am in serious financial bind, and I do not think I can afford more testing in

any capacity for months... I just spent what little I do have on supplements.

I do not know what to do.

Some of these things I have changed, stopped taking, take more of etc... I can

make notes on them in a bit, I'm kind of too overwhelmed to do it at the moment,

I just wanted to thank you for going over this so thoroughly. It means a lot and

is very helpful, I've been worried about doing this on my own without a dr. (I

think I would feel differently if i could AFFORD a dr. and just chose not to go

to one

xo

>

> Hi ,

>

> reviewed your posts on here & Adrenals group

>

> (lroth39)

>

> Rt3 group joined July'10

>

> Background

> Female 38yo

> Los Angeles USA

> No Doc currently

> EBV positive

> Ex Holtorf patient April'08- Jan'09

> Ovarian Dysfunction /Low Sex Hormones (DHEA, Estradiol & Progesterone)

> Rt3 Dominance(compounded t3 April'08-Jan'09)

> AI (on up to 100mg compounded HC April'08-Jan'09)

> CFS

> Fibro

> Insulin Resistance

>

> Symptoms

> Symptoms

> Last 5 years wake up 7 times minimum per night always COVERED in sweat LOW

ALDO/SEX HORMONES

> terrible nightmares

> I still have my periods (regular 28 day cycle)

> night hunger/starvation in the middle of the night SUGAR REGULATION ISSUES,

LIKELY RELATED TO CORTISOL LEVELS

> weight gain 60lbs HYPOTHYROID

> yellow skin & eyes LIKELY JAUNDICED DUE TO SLUGGISH LIVER FUNCTION COMMON WHEN

HYPO

> extreme heat intolerance ELECTROLYTES & LOW ALDOSTERONE

> dizziness ELECTROLYTES & LOW ALDOSTERONE

> " twitching/jerky feeling in chest " ELECTROLYTES & MAGNESIUM

> Tired & wired on T3

>

> Meds/Supps

> Sea Salt (started early Aug'10)

> MSM (Sulfur) 12 g a day!!!!! THIS AMOUNT IS EXCESSIVE

> Ritalin (was on this at one time)

> Paxil 20mg (can increase Cortisol)

> Chantrix (started July18th???) quit smoking less than two weeks ago (smoking

increases Cortisol)

> Cynomel (started 5th July'10) current dose 20mcg daily (split into 3 doses)

> Naturethroid for about 2 weeks (nothing for a year and a half)

> Slow Fe 90mg Iron (started 5th Aug'10)

> Flax Seed IS GOITROGEN & BAD FOR THYROID

> Psyllium Husk 4 gm

> Vit D 1000IU or 3000IU?

> DHEA 10 mg for 3 weeks (dxed low by Holtorf 2 1/2 years ago) stopped 2 weeks

before Saliva Test

> Progest Cream dxed by Holtorf 2 1/2 years ago for ovarian dysfunction(started

June22nd'10 stopped early July?)

> Estradiol Cream (not currently taking it)

> Vit B5 1000 mg

> Vit B12

> Selenium

> Magnesium 800 mg

> Vit C 2000-2500mg

>

> Drenatrophin PRG (Bovine Adrenals) by Standard Process (started June 22'10

stopped 2 weeks before Saliva Test)

> http://www.standardprocess.com/display/StandardProcessCatalog.spi?ID=63

> Calcium 20mg

> Each tablet supplies approximately 60 mg bovine adrenal PMG™ extract.

> Proprietary Blend: 134 mg

> Bovine adrenal PMG™ extract and magnesium citrate.

> Other Ingredients: Calcium lactate, cellulose, and calcium stearate.

>

>

> Hyland's Calms Forte (sleep/anxiety)

> http://www.calmsforte.com/home/index.php?p=62

> Homeopathic containing

> -Passiflora 1X Triple Strength

> -Avena Sativa (oat plant) 1X Double Strength

> -Humulus Lupulus 1X Double Strength

> -Chamomilla 2X (Chamomile)

> - Calcarea Phosphorica 2X HPUS

> -Ferrum Phosphoricum 3X HPUS

> -Kali Phosphoricum 3X HPUS

> -Natrum Phosphoricum 3X HPUS

> -Magnesia Phosphoricum 3X HPUS

>

> Theanine Serine Source Naturals- for anxiety/before bed for sleep

> (stopped 2 weeks before Saliva Test)

> http://sourcenaturalscatalog.com/sn1776.html

> - Magnesium (as magnesium chelate) 300 mg

> - GABA 500 mg

> - Taurine 500 mg

> - L-Theanine 200 mg

> - Holy Basil Leaf Extract 5:1 100 mg LOWERS CORTISOL

> -Other Ingredients: sorbitol, stearic acid, and modified cellulose gum.

>

> Min Chex Standard Process -for anxiety (up to 9 a day)

> http://www.standardprocess.com/display/StandardProcessCatalog.spi?ID=103

> -Calcium 20mg

> -Niacin niacinamide, 25mg

> -B6 pyridoxine hydrochloride 5mg INACTIVE FORM

> -Iodine from KELP 300mcg IODINE NOT RECOMMENDED IF HASHI " S. KELP CONTAINS

CONTAMINANTS

> Each capsule supplies approximately 95 mg bovine orchic Cytosol™ extract.

> Proprietary Blend: 274 mg Bovine orchic Cytosol™ extract, magnesium citrate,

manganese lactate, bovine liver, porcine stomach, SOY (BEAN), bovine spleen,

ovine spleen, para-aminobenzoate, defatted wheat (germ), porcine brain, and

ascorbic acid.

> Other Ingredients: Calcium lactate, kelp, gelatin, niacinamide, water,

pyridoxine hydrochloride, calcium stearate, and colors.

>

> Blood Sugar with Gymnema by Nature's Way (to keep my blood sugar/sugar

cravings/insulin resistance in check)

>

http://www.iherb.com/Nature-s-Way-Blood-Sugar-with-Gymnema-Certified-381-mg-90-C\

apsules/1820?at=1

> - Vitamin A (80% as beta carotene from mixed carotenoids) 1505IU CAROTENES NOT

GOOD FOR HYPO

> - Chromium (as chromium polynicotinate) 300mcg

> -Cinnamon (bark) 400mg

> -Fenugreek Extract (seed) 210mg

> -Nopal Opuntia spp (leaf pad) 150mg

> -Bitter Melon Momordica charantia extract (fruit) 150mg

> -Gymnema Sylvestre extract 75% Gymnemic Acid (leaf) 100mg

> -Bilberry (leaf) 100mg

> -Other Ingredients Millet, Gelatin (capsule), Magnesium stearate

>

> Labs (first tests in 2 years)

> 4th Aug'10

> TIBC 280 ug/ dL range: 250–450 *ONLY 15% IN RANGE

> UIBC 187 ug/ dL range: 150–375 *ONLY 16% IN RANGE

> Iron, Serum 93 ug/ dL range: 35-155 *15% IN RANGE

> Iron Saturation 33 % range: 15 - 55

> 17th July'10

> Ferritin 15 range: 10–291 *LOW

>

> Comments: It's not VALID to test Ferritin separately need to test ALL at same

time

> Both TIBC & UIBC are very low in range meaning you have little capacity to

SAFELY absorb any more Iron. However these results are only valid IF you

followed correct protocols (no Iron supps for 5 days, tested early am, tested

food fasting, no high Iron foods for 2-3 days).

>

> ZRT Saliva Tests 2nd Aug'10

> DAY OF CYCLE~DAY 20?

> On Paxil /stopped T3 on day of test

> DHEA stopped 2 weeks prior/Progesterone stopped ~4 weeks prior

>

> Estradiol........5.7H pg/ml 1.3-3.3 Premenopausal (Luteal) *ELEVATED

> Progesterone...52L pg/ml 75-270 Premenopausal (Luteal) *DEFICIENT

> Ratio: Pg/E2 .....9L Optimal: 100-500 when E2 1.3-3.3 pg/ml

> Testosteron ....32 pg/ml 16-55 (Age Dependent) *SUBOPTIMAL

> DHEAS .........11.6 ng/ml 2-23 (Age Dependent) *LOW IN RANGE

>

> Comments:

> Estradiol shows elevated, Progesterone deficient, Testosterone & DHEAS are

suboptimal

> Deficient Progesterone means likely you also have low Aldosterone and

sitting/standing BP suggests this also.

> However Sex Hormone results NOT valid as only stopped DHEA 2 weeks &

Progesterone 4 weeks before test & takes 6-8 weeks for Sex Hormones to reset to

`baseline' levels.

> In addition Androgens (Testosterone & DHEAS) are not reliable when tested in

Saliva

> Certainly look as if you need Progeaterone & DHEA (perhaps Testosterone too).

> How much Progesterone do you usually take, what type (oral, transdermal,

bioidentical) & how dosed?

>

> Cortisol Morning 9.2 ng/ml 3.7-9.5 *GOOD

> Cortisol Noon 2.4 ng/ml 1.2-3.0 *OK

> Cortisol Evening 1.4 ng/ml 0.6-1.9 *OK

> Cortisol Night 1.3 ng/ml 0.4-1.0 *SLIGHTLY ELEVATED

>

> Comments: Cortisol looks good however may have been higher than usual due to

stopping T3 day of test (increased Hypo increased Cortisol & Adrenaline?) and

still on Paxil (increases Cortisol).

>

> BP & HR

> Sitting 131 systolic/68 diastolic HR 82

> Standing 107systolic/66 diastolic HR 81

>

> Comments: BP dropping significantly on standing suggests electrolyte

imbalances/deficiencies & low Aldosterone.

>

> Notes

> 1/ Need Sodium, Potassium, Aldosterone & Renin tested

>

> 2/ To correctly assess Sex Hormones status need to be tested in blood (day

21of cycle)

> -DHEAS

> -SHBG

> -Total & Free Testosterone

> -Estradiol

> -Progesterone

> -FSH

> -LH

>

> 3/ Taking D3 despite not testing for 2 ½ years? Need to test 25-OHD and

Corrected Calcium ASAP

>

> 4/ Normally would suggest B12 test however as already supping would suggest a

CBC with ESR instead.

>

> 5/ RBC Folate & RBC Magnesium would also be good.

>

> Lethal Lee

>

[Guest guest]

Alright Lee, here I go trying to answer your awesome answers... thank you SO

MUCH. I've been having panicky feelings all day about this stuff

>

> Last 5 years wake up 7 times minimum per night always COVERED in sweat LOW

ALDO/SEX HORMONES

I'm using the progest cream again, I just started a few days ago. I put on about

a dime size/ pea size amount around 8pm. once a night. it's helping, but i still

wake up a bunch during the night, and find myself doing " activities " in my

sleep! at least i'm sleepier now , half asleep when i wake up, instead of fully

awake.

> terrible nightmares STILL GETTING THEM.

> I still have my periods (regular 28 day cycle)

> night hunger/starvation in the middle of the night SUGAR REGULATION ISSUES,

LIKELY RELATED TO CORTISOL LEVELS

I have high night cortisol, and val recently suggested that my " good " levels of

cortisol, is actually LOW cortisol, due to not being used properly by the body.

and due to a bp reading i did yesterday, which is somewhere in this thread....

i guess my bp is low. i don't understand anything about bp by the way, and what

it all means...

how can i get my body to use the cortisol i have???

> weight gain 60lbs HYPOTHYROID

I am proud to say i have lost 50 or so of these pounds !!! thanks nutrisystem

and jenny craig! although if i am not on these food plans, it comes back and i

end up gaining about 1/2 pound per one to two weeks...

> yellow skin & eyes LIKELY JAUNDICED DUE TO SLUGGISH LIVER FUNCTION COMMON WHEN

HYPO

I do not have this anymore but i do have a strange yellow film that is

literally a stripe through my eyes, that i have had since i was a teenager. i

don't know what it is.

> extreme heat intolerance ELECTROLYTES & LOW ALDOSTERONE

> dizziness ELECTROLYTES & LOW ALDOSTERONE

> " twitching/jerky feeling in chest " ELECTROLYTES & MAGNESIUM

i am hoping to buy the magnesium you suggested when i can afford it, and see if

that helps? i am on paxil and have been on ssri's for over 10 years now, i am

wondering what this has done / is doing to me in terms of the effects of it?

couldthat have to do with this? i am begining the process of getting off paxil

today it will take about 3 or 4 weeks to completely get off it as i am

weaning slowly )

> Tired & wired on T3

>

> Meds/Supps

> Sea Salt (started early Aug'10)

> MSM (Sulfur) 12 g a day!!!!! THIS AMOUNT IS EXCESSIVE

yes, i went down to 3mg sometimes 6 mg. sometimes i take it daily, other times

just once a week... i was hoping that at the 12mg amount it would have gotten

rid of any candida! ?

> Ritalin (was on this at one time) i have not taken this for over 5 years

maybe 6 years...

> Paxil 20mg (can increase Cortisol)

what other effects??? i am wondering about the twitching and the paxil????

> Chantrix (started July18th???) quit smoking less than two weeks ago (smoking

increases Cortisol)

> Cynomel (started 5th July'10) current dose 20mcg daily (split into 3 doses)

I just started trying to go up, and am doing ok so far (fingers crossed) at 12.5

mcg 3x a day, and about 6.5 - 8 mcg for my fourth dose. today is my 3rd day

trying to go up it's not as bad as it was last time i tried, and if i feel

heart palpish i have been drinking the water with sea salt. not sure if it's

helping or not....

> Naturethroid for about 2 weeks (nothing for a year and a half)

> Slow Fe 90mg Iron (started 5th Aug'10)

Now I'm taking hemaplex 90 mg ? i think, with 2000mg ester-c

> Flax Seed IS GOITROGEN & BAD FOR THYROID

really????

> Psyllium Husk 4 gm

> Vit D 1000IU or 3000IU?

I just started taking 3000 iu this past week...

> DHEA 10 mg for 3 weeks (dxed low by Holtorf 2 1/2 years ago) stopped 2 weeks

before Saliva Test

I am not taking the dhea... should i be???

> Progest Cream dxed by Holtorf 2 1/2 years ago for ovarian dysfunction(started

June22nd'10 stopped early July?)

> Estradiol Cream (not currently taking it)

> Vit B5 1000 mg

> Vit B12 not taking this currently

instead i am taking a b-100 complex

> Selenium

not taking this currently

> Magnesium 800 mg

i was wrong, it's actually 400 mg of magnesium citrate that i have been taking

> Vit C 2000-2500mg

>

> Drenatrophin PRG (Bovine Adrenals) by Standard Process (started June 22'10

stopped 2 weeks before Saliva Test)\

I'm not taking the drenatrophin anymore.

>

>

> Hyland's Calms Forte (sleep/anxiety)

> http://www.calmsforte.com/home/index.php?p=62

still taking this

>

> Theanine Serine Source Naturals- for anxiety/before bed for sleep

> (stopped 2 weeks before Saliva Test)

> http://sourcenaturalscatalog.com/sn1776.html

> - Magnesium (as magnesium chelate) 300 mg

> - GABA 500 mg

> - Taurine 500 mg

> - L-Theanine 200 mg

> - Holy Basil Leaf Extract 5:1 100 mg LOWERS CORTISOL

> -Other Ingredients: sorbitol, stearic acid, and modified cellulose gum.

Started taking this again a few days ago...

>

> Min Chex Standard Process -for anxiety (up to 9 a day)

> http://www.standardprocess.com/display/StandardProcessCatalog.spi?ID=103

> -Calcium 20mg

> -Niacin niacinamide, 25mg

> -B6 pyridoxine hydrochloride 5mg INACTIVE FORM

> -Iodine from KELP 300mcg IODINE NOT RECOMMENDED IF HASHI " S. KELP CONTAINS

CONTAMINANTS

I'm not taking the Mix Chex anymore... I do not know if I am Hashi's....

> Blood Sugar with Gymnema by Nature's Way (to keep my blood sugar/sugar

cravings/insulin resistance in check)

>

http://www.iherb.com/Nature-s-Way-Blood-Sugar-with-Gymnema-Certified-381-mg-90-C\

apsules/1820?at=1

> - Vitamin A (80% as beta carotene from mixed carotenoids) 1505IU CAROTENES NOT

GOOD FOR HYPO

I'm not taking this Blood Sugar with gymnema anymore... I'm just taking

straight Gymnema again...

Regarding these labs Lee,

>

> Labs (first tests in 2 years)

> 4th Aug'10

> TIBC 280 ug/ dL range: 250–450 *ONLY 15% IN RANGE

> UIBC 187 ug/ dL range: 150–375 *ONLY 16% IN RANGE

> Iron, Serum 93 ug/ dL range: 35-155 *15% IN RANGE

> Iron Saturation 33 % range: 15 - 55

> 17th July'10

> Ferritin 15 range: 10–291 *LOW

>

> Comments: It's not VALID to test Ferritin separately need to test ALL at same

time

> Both TIBC & UIBC are very low in range meaning you have little capacity to

SAFELY absorb any more Iron. However these results are only valid IF you

followed correct protocols (no Iron supps for 5 days, tested early am, tested

food fasting, no high Iron foods for 2-3 days).

Lee, I was not taking Iron supps for a few weeks before these tests.

What does that mean that I can't SAFELY absorb any more Iron? And what am I

supposed to do about that?? I did not know that i needed to fast for the iron

or ferritin tests???

>

> ZRT Saliva Tests 2nd Aug'10

> DAY OF CYCLE~DAY 20?

> On Paxil /stopped T3 on day of test

> DHEA stopped 2 weeks prior/Progesterone stopped ~4 weeks prior

>

> Estradiol........5.7H pg/ml 1.3-3.3 Premenopausal (Luteal) *ELEVATED

> Progesterone...52L pg/ml 75-270 Premenopausal (Luteal) *DEFICIENT

> Ratio: Pg/E2 .....9L Optimal: 100-500 when E2 1.3-3.3 pg/ml

> Testosteron ....32 pg/ml 16-55 (Age Dependent) *SUBOPTIMAL

> DHEAS .........11.6 ng/ml 2-23 (Age Dependent) *LOW IN RANGE

>

> Comments:

> Estradiol shows elevated, Progesterone deficient, Testosterone & DHEAS are

suboptimal

> Deficient Progesterone means likely you also have low Aldosterone and

sitting/standing BP suggests this also.

OK, what do I need to do about my low aldosterone? And is there a natural way to

treat it?

> However Sex Hormone results NOT valid as only stopped DHEA 2 weeks &

Progesterone 4 weeks before test & takes 6-8 weeks for Sex Hormones to reset to

`baseline' levels.

Really!?? my symptoms certainly would point to estrogen dominance and low

progesterone, no?

> In addition Androgens (Testosterone & DHEAS) are not reliable when tested in

Saliva

> Certainly look as if you need Progeaterone & DHEA (perhaps Testosterone too).

> How much Progesterone do you usually take, what type (oral, transdermal,

bioidentical) & how dosed?

I just started taking Progest cream, once a day at night. Prob. about the size

of a large pea.

>

> Cortisol Morning 9.2 ng/ml 3.7-9.5 *GOOD

> Cortisol Noon 2.4 ng/ml 1.2-3.0 *OK

> Cortisol Evening 1.4 ng/ml 0.6-1.9 *OK

> Cortisol Night 1.3 ng/ml 0.4-1.0 *SLIGHTLY ELEVATED

>

> Comments: Cortisol looks good however may have been higher than usual due to

stopping T3 day of test (increased Hypo increased Cortisol & Adrenaline?) and

still on Paxil (increases Cortisol).

I commented on this earlier, about Val posting with me saying that my bp

suggests that my body isn't using this cortisol, which somehow makes it LOW

cortisol?? and what I still don't know is HOW would I get my body to use this

cortisol? someone is giving me ashwaganda and phosphadityl s. for the high night

cortisol. will this fix that? i am so overwhelemed here

>

> BP & HR

> Sitting 131 systolic/68 diastolic HR 82

> Standing 107systolic/66 diastolic HR 81

>

> Comments: BP dropping significantly on standing suggests electrolyte

imbalances/deficiencies & low Aldosterone.

>

> Notes

> 1/ Need Sodium, Potassium, Aldosterone & Renin tested

Ok, i posted a question about the best / cheapest way to do this. Sadly I am in

a position where I can't even afford the $29 magnesium you suggested!! this is

really hard.

> 2/ To correctly assess Sex Hormones status need to be tested in blood (day

21of cycle)

> -DHEAS

> -SHBG

> -Total & Free Testosterone

> -Estradiol

> -Progesterone

> -FSH

> -LH

Ok, will plan for that. Probably will have to wait a while though

>

> 3/ Taking D3 despite not testing for 2 ½ years? Need to test 25-OHD and

Corrected Calcium ASAP

Why asap?? I can always stop the d3, I just figured since it was low a couple

years ago, and I hadn't done anything about it... that taking it wouldn't hurt.

>

> 4/ Normally would suggest B12 test however as already supping would suggest a

CBC with ESR instead.

what is a CBC with ESR?

>

> 5/ RBC Folate & RBC Magnesium would also be good.

Lee, I am 38 years old and I used to dream about movies and television and

working on magazine covers, and now I dream about getting lab tests!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, thank you SO MUCH for responding so thoroughly to this. I cannot

thank you enough.

xoxo

>

[Guest guest]

Lee! Both these bp readings were sitting!

BP & HR

Sitting 131 systolic/68 diastolic HR 82

Standing 107systolic/66 diastolic HR 81

Lee! I just saw this, I am not sure how it translated that one test was sitting

and one was standing, but that's not what happened. I took my bp and pulse and

got the first result, and then I stood up for a second to untangle my dogs from

something, and then I sat back down and took it again. It was at a machine in a

drug store, the kind you sit at and stick your arm in the thing...

Does this make a difference??

Thanks

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I was in need of magnesium and just started the transdermal magnesium oil and it

seems to be helping a lot. I found some by Swansons (also on Amazon or on the

Swanson's website) that is much less expensive 8.99/bottle. It is from the same

source as the Ancient Minerals and although they don't state the amount of

magnesium per ounce like the Ancient Minerals product, I called Swanson's and

spoke with a product rep who quoted the same level of magnesium per ounce.

hth,

> >

> > Hi Lee,

> >

> > I'm in Los Angeles in USA. Thanks so much for your reply and all your

knoweledge! I'm wondering if you are bored (ha!) if you would like to help me

understand these labs I just got back? all are saliva....

> >

> > And yes, I have read Janie's stuff a whole bunch of times I'm taking

3000 iu of vit. day per day right now... I hate this twitching feeling . I will

put that magnesium spray on my " list " of things to get when I can... I'm taking

about 20 mcg of t3 cynomel per day, split 3x sublingually. i get heart palps and

anxiety if i try to take more.... my ferritin was 15 recently, and my

saturation is 33%, and i'm taking 90 mg of iron right now w/ 2000-2500 g of vit.

c.

> >

> > Hormone Test In Range Out Of Range Units Range

> > > Estradiol (saliva) 5.7H pg/ml 1.3-3.3 Premenopausal (Luteal)

> > > Progesterone (saliva) 52L pg/ml 75-270 Premenopausal (Luteal)

> > > Ratio: Pg/E2 (saliva) 9L Optimal: 100-500 when E2 1.3-3.3 pg/ml

> > > Testosterone (saliva) 32 pg/ml 16-55 (Age Dependent)

> > > DHEAS (saliva) 11.6 ng/ml 2-23 (Age Dependent)

> > > Cortisol Morning (saliva) 9.2 ng/ml 3.7-9.5

> > > Cortisol Noon (saliva) 2.4 ng/ml 1.2-3.0

> > > Cortisol Evening (saliva) 1.4 ng/ml 0.6-1.9

> > > Cortisol Night (saliva) 1.3H ng/ml 0.4-1.0

> > >

> >

> > THANK YOU SO, SOOOOOOOOO much! this stuff is overwhelming me and my

anxiety is.... well it is there let's just say that

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Note some Labs may call it Erythrocyte Magnesium. Not all Labs do this

test either. There are a few posts on testing. Some Labs mentioned are

> > >

> > > Doctors Data http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/3739

> > > LEF http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/3776

> > > Genova http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/3807

> > > Speciality Labs http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/11300

> > > Econolabs http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/13840

> > >

> > > Have you seen Janie's blog?

> > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/2010/05/19/magnesium/

> > >

> > > This is a good article

> > > http://www.pbraunmd.org/magnesiu.htm

> > >

> > > Lee:With those symptoms I would strongly advise you try transdermal

magnesium. I recommend Ancient Minerals "

> > > : I just looked it up, and sadly it's too expensive for me at this

time, with everything else I need to make sure I have

> > >

> > > It only costs US$29 to get the spray bottle. It will last you a long time

& is in fact much cheaper than oral supps.

> > > http://www.magneticclay.com/store/magnesium-oil-ancient-minerals-8.aspx

> > >

> > > Lee:Personally I don't see how anyone can optimise/replentish Magnesium

with oral supps.

> > > :Please can you tell me why??

> > >

> > > Basically you are limited in what you can absorb orally. Way before you

can absorb sufficient amounts you will get intolerance/bowel symptoms. You

simply cannot take ENOUGH orally. When you are ill & stressed you need far more

Magnesium too.

> > >

> > > Note Calcium intake is often far too high. Calcium is an antagonist of

Magnesium. High Calcium intake will require a correspondingly higher need for

Magnesium.

> > >

> > > Electrolytes ALL work together & need to be optimised & also Vit D works

together with Magnesium & Calcium.

> > >

> > > Lethal Lee

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I was in need of magnesium and just started the transdermal magnesium oil and it

seems to be helping a lot. I found some by Swansons (also on Amazon or on the

Swanson's website) that is much less expensive 8.99/bottle. It is from the same

source as the Ancient Minerals and although they don't state the amount of

magnesium per ounce like the Ancient Minerals product, I called Swanson's and

spoke with a product rep who quoted the same level of magnesium per ounce.

hth,

> >

> > Hi Lee,

> >

> > I'm in Los Angeles in USA. Thanks so much for your reply and all your

knoweledge! I'm wondering if you are bored (ha!) if you would like to help me

understand these labs I just got back? all are saliva....

> >

> > And yes, I have read Janie's stuff a whole bunch of times I'm taking

3000 iu of vit. day per day right now... I hate this twitching feeling . I will

put that magnesium spray on my " list " of things to get when I can... I'm taking

about 20 mcg of t3 cynomel per day, split 3x sublingually. i get heart palps and

anxiety if i try to take more.... my ferritin was 15 recently, and my

saturation is 33%, and i'm taking 90 mg of iron right now w/ 2000-2500 g of vit.

c.

> >

> > Hormone Test In Range Out Of Range Units Range

> > > Estradiol (saliva) 5.7H pg/ml 1.3-3.3 Premenopausal (Luteal)

> > > Progesterone (saliva) 52L pg/ml 75-270 Premenopausal (Luteal)

> > > Ratio: Pg/E2 (saliva) 9L Optimal: 100-500 when E2 1.3-3.3 pg/ml

> > > Testosterone (saliva) 32 pg/ml 16-55 (Age Dependent)

> > > DHEAS (saliva) 11.6 ng/ml 2-23 (Age Dependent)

> > > Cortisol Morning (saliva) 9.2 ng/ml 3.7-9.5

> > > Cortisol Noon (saliva) 2.4 ng/ml 1.2-3.0

> > > Cortisol Evening (saliva) 1.4 ng/ml 0.6-1.9

> > > Cortisol Night (saliva) 1.3H ng/ml 0.4-1.0

> > >

> >

> > THANK YOU SO, SOOOOOOOOO much! this stuff is overwhelming me and my

anxiety is.... well it is there let's just say that

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Note some Labs may call it Erythrocyte Magnesium. Not all Labs do this

test either. There are a few posts on testing. Some Labs mentioned are

> > >

> > > Doctors Data http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/3739

> > > LEF http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/3776

> > > Genova http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/3807

> > > Speciality Labs http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/11300

> > > Econolabs http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/13840

> > >

> > > Have you seen Janie's blog?

> > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/2010/05/19/magnesium/

> > >

> > > This is a good article

> > > http://www.pbraunmd.org/magnesiu.htm

> > >

> > > Lee:With those symptoms I would strongly advise you try transdermal

magnesium. I recommend Ancient Minerals "

> > > : I just looked it up, and sadly it's too expensive for me at this

time, with everything else I need to make sure I have

> > >

> > > It only costs US$29 to get the spray bottle. It will last you a long time

& is in fact much cheaper than oral supps.

> > > http://www.magneticclay.com/store/magnesium-oil-ancient-minerals-8.aspx

> > >

> > > Lee:Personally I don't see how anyone can optimise/replentish Magnesium

with oral supps.

> > > :Please can you tell me why??

> > >

> > > Basically you are limited in what you can absorb orally. Way before you

can absorb sufficient amounts you will get intolerance/bowel symptoms. You

simply cannot take ENOUGH orally. When you are ill & stressed you need far more

Magnesium too.

> > >

> > > Note Calcium intake is often far too high. Calcium is an antagonist of

Magnesium. High Calcium intake will require a correspondingly higher need for

Magnesium.

> > >

> > > Electrolytes ALL work together & need to be optimised & also Vit D works

together with Magnesium & Calcium.

> > >

> > > Lethal Lee

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I was in need of magnesium and just started the transdermal magnesium oil and it

seems to be helping a lot. I found some by Swansons (also on Amazon or on the

Swanson's website) that is much less expensive 8.99/bottle. It is from the same

source as the Ancient Minerals and although they don't state the amount of

magnesium per ounce like the Ancient Minerals product, I called Swanson's and

spoke with a product rep who quoted the same level of magnesium per ounce.

hth,

> >

> > Hi Lee,

> >

> > I'm in Los Angeles in USA. Thanks so much for your reply and all your

knoweledge! I'm wondering if you are bored (ha!) if you would like to help me

understand these labs I just got back? all are saliva....

> >

> > And yes, I have read Janie's stuff a whole bunch of times I'm taking

3000 iu of vit. day per day right now... I hate this twitching feeling . I will

put that magnesium spray on my " list " of things to get when I can... I'm taking

about 20 mcg of t3 cynomel per day, split 3x sublingually. i get heart palps and

anxiety if i try to take more.... my ferritin was 15 recently, and my

saturation is 33%, and i'm taking 90 mg of iron right now w/ 2000-2500 g of vit.

c.

> >

> > Hormone Test In Range Out Of Range Units Range

> > > Estradiol (saliva) 5.7H pg/ml 1.3-3.3 Premenopausal (Luteal)

> > > Progesterone (saliva) 52L pg/ml 75-270 Premenopausal (Luteal)

> > > Ratio: Pg/E2 (saliva) 9L Optimal: 100-500 when E2 1.3-3.3 pg/ml

> > > Testosterone (saliva) 32 pg/ml 16-55 (Age Dependent)

> > > DHEAS (saliva) 11.6 ng/ml 2-23 (Age Dependent)

> > > Cortisol Morning (saliva) 9.2 ng/ml 3.7-9.5

> > > Cortisol Noon (saliva) 2.4 ng/ml 1.2-3.0

> > > Cortisol Evening (saliva) 1.4 ng/ml 0.6-1.9

> > > Cortisol Night (saliva) 1.3H ng/ml 0.4-1.0

> > >

> >

> > THANK YOU SO, SOOOOOOOOO much! this stuff is overwhelming me and my

anxiety is.... well it is there let's just say that

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Note some Labs may call it Erythrocyte Magnesium. Not all Labs do this

test either. There are a few posts on testing. Some Labs mentioned are

> > >

> > > Doctors Data http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/3739

> > > LEF http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/3776

> > > Genova http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/3807

> > > Speciality Labs http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/11300

> > > Econolabs http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/13840

> > >

> > > Have you seen Janie's blog?

> > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/2010/05/19/magnesium/

> > >

> > > This is a good article

> > > http://www.pbraunmd.org/magnesiu.htm

> > >

> > > Lee:With those symptoms I would strongly advise you try transdermal

magnesium. I recommend Ancient Minerals "

> > > : I just looked it up, and sadly it's too expensive for me at this

time, with everything else I need to make sure I have

> > >

> > > It only costs US$29 to get the spray bottle. It will last you a long time

& is in fact much cheaper than oral supps.

> > > http://www.magneticclay.com/store/magnesium-oil-ancient-minerals-8.aspx

> > >

> > > Lee:Personally I don't see how anyone can optimise/replentish Magnesium

with oral supps.

> > > :Please can you tell me why??

> > >

> > > Basically you are limited in what you can absorb orally. Way before you

can absorb sufficient amounts you will get intolerance/bowel symptoms. You

simply cannot take ENOUGH orally. When you are ill & stressed you need far more

Magnesium too.

> > >

> > > Note Calcium intake is often far too high. Calcium is an antagonist of

Magnesium. High Calcium intake will require a correspondingly higher need for

Magnesium.

> > >

> > > Electrolytes ALL work together & need to be optimised & also Vit D works

together with Magnesium & Calcium.

> > >

> > > Lethal Lee

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

Wow. thank you SO MUCH. what were your symptoms? and what did the magnesium

help with? what has changed? how long did it take? and how much do you take?

thanks so much for answering all these questions!

>

> Hi ,

>

> I was in need of magnesium and just started the transdermal magnesium oil and

it seems to be helping a lot. I found some by Swansons (also on Amazon or on

the Swanson's website) that is much less expensive 8.99/bottle. It is from the

same source as the Ancient Minerals and although they don't state the amount of

magnesium per ounce like the Ancient Minerals product, I called Swanson's and

spoke with a product rep who quoted the same level of magnesium per ounce.

>

> hth,

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I don't know which symptoms were low ferritin and which were low magnesium

exactly. I was having trouble still with anxiety and posted on the board about

it and people pointed out my still low ferritin and also suggested taking

magnesium for anxiety. And that was when I remembered testing low rbc magnesium

a while ago. Duh. I have taken so many tests I have not been good about

addressing everything. So I started taking a ton more iron and within a few

days tried the magnesium oil as well. I will say that the first day I tried the

magnesium I felt a surge of energy right afterwards - heart felt like it was

beating harder and I just felt more energized/stronger in general. I don't feel

that surge immediately after when I use it now, but I just feel stronger and so

far, a little less anxiety. This could also be the iron taking effect too - I

am now taking 300 mg. But since I was low and my body is under stress I figure

I will keep it in my lineup for the time being, but I am still in the trying it

out phase.

I was spraying it on my skin, but it is kind of itchy so I just do the foot soak

nightly - 4tbsp in a bowl where the water just covers feet. Maybe in time it

will be less itchy and I will go back to spraying it on skin - you can use less

product that way too.

I think if you really need it you will feel a difference right away. The people

who have commented on line about magnesium oil felt benefits quickly.

I will add that my cycle is unusually long this month - going on 36 days - when

I am usually 28 or so. Val said it might have to do with more t3 getting into

cells from the iron.

hth,

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > I was in need of magnesium and just started the transdermal magnesium oil

and it seems to be helping a lot. I found some by Swansons (also on Amazon or

on the Swanson's website) that is much less expensive 8.99/bottle. It is from

the same source as the Ancient Minerals and although they don't state the amount

of magnesium per ounce like the Ancient Minerals product, I called Swanson's and

spoke with a product rep who quoted the same level of magnesium per ounce.

> >

> > hth,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>