Guest guest Posted August 11, 2010 Report Share Posted August 11, 2010 I am sure Nick or Val will answer this, but as far as my understanding of all i have read here and other sources, T4 is not utilized...it has to be converted to the useable T3. So it is not affecting your thyroid or thyroid function at all. You are just not having any T4 storage. That is why it is important to carry your T3 meds with you and not run out. I even got a medic alert bracelet. I don't know if i will stay on T3 after I clear out the Rt3 or if i will go back to NDT. I would never go on synthroid and I would never go back to the new armour formula since they changed it last year as it made me so sick. But i could see possibly going back to the compounded NDT i was taking before. It had only acidopholous as a filler. But i would hate to ever have the Rt 3 get high again and have to go through this again. I could also see choosing to stay on T3 only. Sharon Remember! Dolls are people, too....have you hugged your dolls today? Visit my website! http://ohyoubeautifuldoll.webs.com--- Subject: Q about not taking T4To: RT3_T3 Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 8:43 PM I just have another doubt question.... .obviously i have problem converting T4 to T3......if I stay on the T3 for the 12 wk program, I just want to make certain I can't harm my thyroid by not taking T4......can this be confirmed? Thank you!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2010 Report Share Posted August 11, 2010 >I just have another doubt question.....obviously i have problem converting T4 to T3......if I stay on the T3 for the 12 wk program, I just want to make certain I can't harm my thyroid by not taking T4......can this be confirmed? Thank you!! Your thyroid gland is told whether or not to make thyroid hormone by the levels of TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) which are released by the pituitary gland. Adding T3 or T4 has the same effect, it reduces the levels of this hormone. Both of these stop stimulating the thyroid. There is no difference as far as the thyroid gland is concerned between the two ways of shutting it down. People have proved that if the gland is capable of producing hormone it will start again if TSH levels increase again, it's not damaged by being shut down If you can't convert T4 to T3 and can't resolve that staying on T3 long term is the best thing for you Nick -- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.com For lots of good information of adrenal issues http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/ and the adrenal group on http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 Hi Nick Your answer here goes someway to answering some questions that I had in my mind as well. Following on from s question if the reason for having high RT3 now is linked to, posssibly in my case low ferritin and high stress loads with somewhat struggling (under the load) adrenals. Then is it reasonable to expect that once these three factors are corrected and RT3 is cleared from the cells and with a properly structured program of weaning off T3, that the Thyroid could resume it's role of supplying Thyroid hormones in the right ratio? Then without the impost of the three negative factors influencing the over supply of RT3 that the desired and proper peripheral tissue conversion of T4 to T3 could occur. This assumes that the problem to start with is a problem of metabolic conversion rather than an under or over functioning Thyroid in the first place. My Compounding Chemist advised me that he thought this was how my problem has occurred hence my continued questioning of this point??? Theoretically is this plausable? Realistically has anyone done this? Hopefully the answer might be of some further interest to as well. Kinest regards Wayne > > >I just have another doubt question.....obviously i have problem converting T4 to T3......if I stay on the T3 for the 12 wk program, I just want to make certain I can't harm my thyroid by not taking T4......can this be confirmed? Thank you!! > > Your thyroid gland is told whether or not to make thyroid hormone by > the levels of TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) which are released by > the pituitary gland. > > Adding T3 or T4 has the same effect, it reduces the levels of this > hormone. Both of these stop stimulating the thyroid. > > There is no difference as far as the thyroid gland is concerned > between the two ways of shutting it down. > > People have proved that if the gland is capable of producing hormone > it will start again if TSH levels increase again, it's not damaged by > being shut down > > If you can't convert T4 to T3 and can't resolve that staying on T3 > long term is the best thing for you > > Nick > > -- > > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to > > www.thyroid-rt3.com > > For lots of good information of adrenal issues > > http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/ > > and the adrenal group on > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 >Theoretically is this plausable? >Realistically has anyone done this? Theoretically it is plausible. Practically I have not heard of it happening often (I can think of 1 case). The " reset the thermostat " protocol is attempting to achieve this, I have not heard of many success stories. It's worth trying, particularly if labs from unsupported thyroid are healthy looking but you have high RT3, in this case I would expect success if the cause of the high RT3 can be located. In my case I have some other form of thyroid resistance, it took a ludicrous amount of Natural for me to start responding.in the first place and that led to excessive T4 levels which then produced RT3 and made the resitatance worse. By going T3 only I don't get a buildup of resistance, I still need a lot of T3 though. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 What I still don't understand is why my FT3 was so high before I started taking T3, it was 4.5 (range 2.3--4.2), my TSH was .01, and my FT4 1.3 (.8--1.8). My FT4 was always low which was why all the docs I went to said I needed T4 and kept putting me back on T4 which made me feel terrible. But if my FT3 was so high, does it mean that the T3 was pooling and not getting to the cells then, and so then what does one do to get it to the cells, and should I retest just my FT3 now to see if it is working now because how do I know that it is now getting into the cells?>I just have another doubt question.....obviously i have problem converting T4 to T3......if I stay on the T3 for the 12 wk program, I just want to make certain I can't harm my thyroid by not taking T4......can this be confirmed? Thank you!!Your thyroid gland is told whether or not to make thyroid hormone bythe levels of TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) which are released bythe pituitary gland.Adding T3 or T4 has the same effect, it reduces the levels of thishormone. Both of these stop stimulating the thyroid.There is no difference as far as the thyroid gland is concernedbetween the two ways of shutting it down.People have proved that if the gland is capable of producing hormoneit will start again if TSH levels increase again, it's not damaged bybeing shut downIf you can't convert T4 to T3 and can't resolve that staying on T3long term is the best thing for youNick-- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.comFor lots of good information of adrenal issues http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/and the adrenal group onhttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 What I still don't understand is why my FT3 was so high before I started taking T3, it was 4.5 (range 2.3--4.2), my TSH was .01, and my FT4 1.3 (.8--1.8). My FT4 was always low which was why all the docs I went to said I needed T4 and kept putting me back on T4 which made me feel terrible. But if my FT3 was so high, does it mean that the T3 was pooling and not getting to the cells then, and so then what does one do to get it to the cells, and should I retest just my FT3 now to see if it is working now because how do I know that it is now getting into the cells?>I just have another doubt question.....obviously i have problem converting T4 to T3......if I stay on the T3 for the 12 wk program, I just want to make certain I can't harm my thyroid by not taking T4......can this be confirmed? Thank you!!Your thyroid gland is told whether or not to make thyroid hormone bythe levels of TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) which are released bythe pituitary gland.Adding T3 or T4 has the same effect, it reduces the levels of thishormone. Both of these stop stimulating the thyroid.There is no difference as far as the thyroid gland is concernedbetween the two ways of shutting it down.People have proved that if the gland is capable of producing hormoneit will start again if TSH levels increase again, it's not damaged bybeing shut downIf you can't convert T4 to T3 and can't resolve that staying on T3long term is the best thing for youNick-- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.comFor lots of good information of adrenal issues http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/and the adrenal group onhttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 What I still don't understand is why my FT3 was so high before I started taking T3, it was 4.5 (range 2.3--4.2), my TSH was .01, and my FT4 1.3 (.8--1.8). My FT4 was always low which was why all the docs I went to said I needed T4 and kept putting me back on T4 which made me feel terrible. But if my FT3 was so high, does it mean that the T3 was pooling and not getting to the cells then, and so then what does one do to get it to the cells, and should I retest just my FT3 now to see if it is working now because how do I know that it is now getting into the cells?>I just have another doubt question.....obviously i have problem converting T4 to T3......if I stay on the T3 for the 12 wk program, I just want to make certain I can't harm my thyroid by not taking T4......can this be confirmed? Thank you!!Your thyroid gland is told whether or not to make thyroid hormone bythe levels of TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) which are released bythe pituitary gland.Adding T3 or T4 has the same effect, it reduces the levels of thishormone. Both of these stop stimulating the thyroid.There is no difference as far as the thyroid gland is concernedbetween the two ways of shutting it down.People have proved that if the gland is capable of producing hormoneit will start again if TSH levels increase again, it's not damaged bybeing shut downIf you can't convert T4 to T3 and can't resolve that staying on T3long term is the best thing for youNick-- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.comFor lots of good information of adrenal issues http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/and the adrenal group onhttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 > But if my FT3 was so high, does it mean that the T3 was pooling and not getting to the cells then, and so then what does one do to get it to the cells, and should I retest just my FT3 now to see if it is working now because how do I know that it is now getting into the cells? Could be, the usual reasons for pooling are low iron and low or high cortisol Remind me where you are on those? Nick -- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 > But if my FT3 was so high, does it mean that the T3 was pooling and not getting to the cells then, and so then what does one do to get it to the cells, and should I retest just my FT3 now to see if it is working now because how do I know that it is now getting into the cells? Could be, the usual reasons for pooling are low iron and low or high cortisol Remind me where you are on those? Nick -- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 > But if my FT3 was so high, does it mean that the T3 was pooling and not getting to the cells then, and so then what does one do to get it to the cells, and should I retest just my FT3 now to see if it is working now because how do I know that it is now getting into the cells? Could be, the usual reasons for pooling are low iron and low or high cortisol Remind me where you are on those? Nick -- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 Before taking T3 my iron was 108 (50-200) and my adrenals were: Cortisol AM (blood) 20 (range 5-25). I had taken in March a saliva test which resulted like this being at least 2 wks off isocort: 8AM: 5.79 (3-6) 1:30PM: 1.34 (.5-2.5) 4PM: 1.46 (.25-1.25) 10PM: .41 (.15-0.5) > But if my FT3 was so high, does it mean that the T3 was pooling and not getting to the cells then, and so then what does one do to get it to the cells, and should I retest just my FT3 now to see if it is working now because how do I know that it is now getting into the cells?Could be, the usual reasons for pooling are low iron and low or highcortisolRemind me where you are on those?Nick-- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 >Before taking T3 my iron was 108 (50-200) and my adrenals were: >Cortisol AM (blood) 20 (range 5-25). I had taken in March a saliva test which resulted like this being at least 2 wks off isocort: >8AM: 5.79 (3-6) >1:30PM: 1.34 (.5-2.5) >4PM: 1.46 (.25-1.25) >10PM: .41 (.15-0.5) Cortisol looks reasonable, Which parameter is the iron? is it ferritin? Nick -- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.com For lots of good information of adrenal issues http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/ and the adrenal group on http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 you know the doctor read me the results over the phone and said he would mail me the originals which he never did, so i don't know.......he just said 'iron looks good at 108' and i asked him the ranges...........i'm going to call again today to see if they mail it>Before taking T3 my iron was 108 (50-200) and my adrenals were:>Cortisol AM (blood) 20 (range 5-25). I had taken in March a saliva test which resulted like this being at least 2 wks off isocort:>8AM: 5.79 (3-6)>1:30PM: 1.34 (.5-2.5)>4PM: 1.46 (.25-1.25)>10PM: .41 (.15-0.5)Cortisol looks reasonable,Which parameter is the iron? is it ferritin?Nick-- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.comFor lots of good information of adrenal issues http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/and the adrenal group onhttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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