Re: hashimotos & T3

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>He also said that there is something that is preventing the conversion of T4 to

T3 and that I have to correct this, and I am just wondering if hashimotos is

considered different than hypo/hyperthyroid and if the straight T3 protocol

works the same on hashimotos as it does on non-hashimotos thyroid..........

Generally the best way of dealing with hasi is to take a full

replacement dose of hormone so that the thyroid is not stimulated, the

antibodies are then quiet because there is not much going on.

If you have conversion issues these cease to become relevant if you go

T3 only.

Taking the T3 hormone replacement route means you don't have to deal

with antibodies or the conversion issues, they are no longer in the

way

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Nick

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what would be the T3 equivalency for 2 grains of NDT? Should my goal be to reach that level?>>He also said that there is something that is preventing the conversion of T4 to T3 and that I have to correct this, and I am just wondering if hashimotos is considered different than hypo/hyperthyroid and if the straight T3 protocol works the same on hashimotos as it does on non-hashimotos thyroid..........Generally the best way of dealing with hasi is to take a fullreplacement dose of hormone so that the thyroid is not stimulated, theantibodies are then quiet because there is not much going on.If you have conversion issues these cease to become relevant if you goT3 only.Taking the T3 hormone replacement route means you don't have to dealwith antibodies or the conversion issues, they are no longer in theway-- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.comFor lots of good

information of adrenal issues http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/and the adrenal group onhttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/Nick

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>what would be the T3 equivalency for 2 grains of NDT?  Should my goal be to

reach that level?

18, that would be a starting dose

Have a read of this http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

Nick

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>what would be the T3 equivalency for 2 grains of NDT?  Should my goal be to

reach that level?

18, that would be a starting dose

Have a read of this http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

Nick

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If I am now up to 62.5 (or cutting back to 50 today as per your instructions), isn't it too high then? Wow, I really am not understanding this.........S.>what would be the T3 equivalency for 2 grains of NDT? Should my goal be to reach that level?18, that would be a starting doseHave a read of this http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htmNick-- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.com

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>If I am now up to 62.5 (or cutting back to 50 today as per your instructions),

isn't it too high then?  Wow, I really am not understanding this.........S.

OK, it depends whether you have " part supplement, part your own

thyroid " or whether you have a " full replacement dose " suppressing TSH

to 0.01 or so and " shutting down your thyroid "

For a full replacement dose most people need 3 to 5 grains of natural

or 75 to 125 of T3 in isolation. In this case 1 grain is roughly

equivalent to 25mcg of T3, that's when the T4 is converting.

Swapping between T3 and a T4/T3 mix is a gradual process, going from

the mix, be it natural or compounded, you initially replace it with

the same amount of T3 that it contains, that is 9mcg per grain.

This would make 2 grains 18mcg as a STARTING dose, once you stop

taking the natural the T4 levels slowly decay over a period of weeks

and at that stage you need to add in more T3 to replace what is no

longer converting, you do this based on symptoms so you could add 12.5

every week or so plus or minus how you feel

You will most likely end up going higher than the 50 equivalent you

were on as that is not a full replacement dose and you want to be on

one to get rid of T3

This is a long winded way of saying 62 is a perfectly reasonable dose

Nick

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for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

For lots of good information of adrenal issues

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/

and the adrenal group on

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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Nick sorry to be so dense, but does that mean that once I reach 62.5 I should stop there or continue upward to 75-100mcg? or does that depend how i feel at each level? >>If I am now up to 62.5 (or cutting back to 50 today as per your instructions), isn't it too high then? Wow, I really am not understanding this.........S.OK, it depends whether you have "part supplement, part your ownthyroid" or whether you have a "full replacement dose" suppressing TSHto 0.01 or so and "shutting down your thyroid"For a full replacement dose most people need 3 to 5 grains of naturalor 75 to 125 of T3 in isolation. In this case 1 grain is roughlyequivalent to 25mcg of T3, that's when the T4 is converting.Swapping between T3 and a T4/T3 mix is a gradual process, going fromthe mix, be it natural or compounded, you initially replace it withthe same amount of T3 that it contains, that is 9mcg per grain.This would make 2 grains 18mcg as a STARTING dose, once you stoptaking the natural the T4 levels

slowly decay over a period of weeksand at that stage you need to add in more T3 to replace what is nolonger converting, you do this based on symptoms so you could add 12.5every week or so plus or minus how you feelYou will most likely end up going higher than the 50 equivalent youwere on as that is not a full replacement dose and you want to be onone to get rid of T3This is a long winded way of saying 62 is a perfectly reasonable doseNick-- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.comFor lots of good information of adrenal issues http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/and the adrenal group onhttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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>Nick sorry to be so dense, but does that mean that once I reach 62.5 I should

stop there or continue upward to 75-100mcg?  or does that depend how i feel at

each level? 

Take what you need to clear hypo, if you need more than 125 before

clearance you will most likely go hyper when you clear

Nick

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for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

For lots of good information of adrenal issues

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/

and the adrenal group on

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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My tsh has been kept in the same range and it keeps my antibodies from attacking my thyroid;-) My thyroid was swollen prior to getting that under control.<<Posted by: "sandra weisenthal" interart81@... saga0033Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:05 am (PDT)The thing is before taking T3 my TSH was almost non existent, it was between .01--.03.........From: Kem Tillford <Losinit4good (AT) hearts4humanity (DOT) org>Subject: Re; hashimotos & T3To: "RT3" <RT3_T3 >Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 4:55 AM I have hashi's and my doc told me I didn't convert T4 to T3 too. He put me on enough thyroid to squash my TSH down to almost 0, he says that means my thyroid isn't putting out any endogenous hormone of it's own and that keeps the hashi antibody from attacking my thyroid. If you get on a good enough dose of thyroid med it'll keep those antibodies at bay. I'm taking T3 only, used to take Naturethroid until I built up an RT3 issue, my hashi's isn't an issue with T3, my tsh is squashed down real low on it.<<Posted by: "sandra weisenthal" interart81 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com saga0033Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:46 pm (PDT)I just was on the phone with Dr. Kharrazian from California who wrote this book on Hashimotos, and he said that I am putting too much emphasis on hormones and not on the auto-immunity. .....that I have to target my auto-immune condition before I can expect to find the right replacement hormone. He also said that there is something that is preventing the conversion of T4 to T3 and that I have to correct this, and I am just wondering if hashimotos is considered different than hypo/hyperthyroid and if the straight T3 protocol works the same on hashimotos as it does on non-hashimotos thyroid..... .....He also said that the autobody test for hashimotos is not the exact indication of whether you are improving, because even though the antibodies go down it does not necessarily mean you are getting better...... .......I wish I understood this all better...... .....>>Kem in Eugene <º)))><>> Kem in Eugene <º)))><