Re: Bump: Please Nick/Val in need of advice - new labs/Marcy

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You need ot stop the iron. It is too high now. You are cvery estrogen

dominant which usually means low cortiosl . I suspect the cortisl is

why yo are nto tolerating T3. I owuld start some progesterone cream

ASAP to help balance out that high estrogen and wait fgor your cortiosl

labs. Id you do the saliva panel? If so that wil be most helpful.

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>> I started taking T3 only on 12/10/09, my ferritin was 41 then, so I moved

slowly. When I raise the cynomel, I give about a week to adjust and my temps

never seem to adjust or I start to feel anxious and have sleep issues. I know I

need to take more Cynomel and am now trying to raise again slowly from 18.75 to

25mcg.

>>

>> I had an adrenocortex stress profile test back on 11-7-09 and it was not too

bad (from good morning level to afternoon drop and then slightly going back up

some)and I have just been taking herbal supps. since.

>>

>> Not sure what to look for at this point and my doctor wants to look into my

results further before we change anything...she actually said to see if anyone

in the group has any thoughts on lab results also.

>>

>> My basil temps. range from 97.3-97.7, and daily averages from 98.2-98.6 on

occasion at 18.75mcg. of Cynomel. Blood draw was taken 6 days prior to my period

(which is always irregular), if that matters.

>>

>> WBC 6.8 (4.0-10.5)

>> RBC 4.23 (3.80-5.10)

>> Hemoglobin 12.8 (11.5-15.0)

>> Hematocrit 38.1 (34.0-44.0)

>> MCV 90 (80-98)

>> MCH 30.3 (27.0-34.0)

>> MCHC 33.6 (32.0-36.0)

>> RDW 12.6 (11.7-15.0)

>> Platelets 220 (140-415)

>>

>> Glucose, serum 77 (65-99)

>> BUN 17 (5-26)

>> Creatinine, serum 0.78 (0.57-1.00)

>> Insulin 3.6 (0.0-24.9)

>>

>> Sodium, serum 141 (135-145)

>> Potassium, serum 4.1 (3.5-5.2)

>> Chloride serum 103 (97-108)

>> Carbon diioxide, total 26 (20-32)

>> Calcium serum 8.9 (8.7-10.2)

>>

>> Protein, total, serum 6.3 (6.0-8.5)

>> Albumin, serum 4.2 (3.5-5.5)

>> Globulin, total 2.1 (1.5-4.5)

>>

>> Iron Bind. Cap (TIBC) 223 (250-450)

>> UIBC 92 (150-375)

>> Iron, serum 131 (35-155)

>> Iron Saturation 59 (15-55)

>> Transferrin 195 (200-370)

>> Ferritin, serum 98 (13-150)

>>

>> Testosterone, serum 53 (6-82)

>> Free Testosterone (direct) .4 (0.0-2.2)

>> Estradiol 333.3 (luteal phase = 43.8 - 211.0)

>> Progesterone 4.0 (luteal phase = 1.7 - 27.0)

>>

>> Vitamin B12 878 (211-946)

>> Vitamin D, 25 Hydroxy 77.9 (32.0-100.0)

>> Folate, RBC- lab never got processed

>>

>> DHEA-sulfate 158 (35.4-256.0)

>> Cortisol AM - will follow

>> Aldosterone 15.8 (adult upright = 4.0-31.0)

>> Renin Activity, plasma 1.51 (adult upright = 1.31-3.95)

>>

>> Triiodothyronine, Free, Serum (T3)= 2.7 (2.0 -4.4), last lab was 3.1

>> Thyroxine (T4)Free, direct, serum =.60 (0.82-1.77), last lab was .89

>> Reverse T3 = 134 (90 - 350), last lab was 150

>> No TSH was done

>>

>> Sorry this is so long, please help me identify why I am having trouble with

raising T3.

>>

>> Could high estrogen or imbalance between progesterone/estrogen cause stress

to adrenols or problems with thyroid?

>>

>> I think that my iron/ferritin level is at a good place and would like to cut

back on iron supps.(I take 7 supps.= 189mg.).

>>

>> What do you think would be a good amount to maintain ferritin?

>>

>> Thank you once again for any help you can provide and for your time.

>> Marcy

>>

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Thank you Val for helping me with all this.

I have been reading on Dr Lam's site most of yesterday and this morning. I

noticed that Ginseng(panax)has been proven to have a mild estrogen-promoting

activity in some women. I am taking a low dose in the adrenal support that my

doctor recomended (3 x 100mg per day). However, that is probably only adding to

the existing problem, and I am not taking anymore just in case.

Iron will now be stopped - until next testing and I will get my doctor to

prescribe the progesterone cream.

The last saliva panel was done on 11/7/09 with Genova labs:

7 - 9am 1.05 (range 0.27-1.18)

11 - 1pm 0.16 (range 0.10-0.41)

3 - 5pm 0.18 (range 0.05-0.27)

10 -12am 0.24 (range 0.03-0.14)

DHEA 7am-9am - 595 (range 71-640pg/mL)

DHEA: Cortisol Ratio/10,000 - 567 (range 115-1,188)

On 4/2/10 my Cortisol - AM was 15.8 ug/dL (range 6.2 - 19.4), but my T3 was

looking better then and I was feeling better also. I had lowered my T3 down to

almost nothing because I noticed as I lowered the dosage that my temp. increased

to 98.6 and I felt great (too good) for a while. Then the hypo. got worse so I

took more T3, but had trouble raising past 18.75.

Should I do another saliva panel?

Thanks again,

Marcy

> >> I started taking T3 only on 12/10/09, my ferritin was 41 then, so I moved

slowly. When I raise the cynomel, I give about a week to adjust and my temps

never seem to adjust or I start to feel anxious and have sleep issues. I know I

need to take more Cynomel and am now trying to raise again slowly from 18.75 to

25mcg.

> >>

> >> I had an adrenocortex stress profile test back on 11-7-09 and it was not

too bad (from good morning level to afternoon drop and then slightly going back

up some)and I have just been taking herbal supps. since.

> >>

> >> Not sure what to look for at this point and my doctor wants to look into my

results further before we change anything...she actually said to see if anyone

in the group has any thoughts on lab results also.

> >>

> >> My basil temps. range from 97.3-97.7, and daily averages from 98.2-98.6 on

occasion at 18.75mcg. of Cynomel. Blood draw was taken 6 days prior to my period

(which is always irregular), if that matters.

> >>

> >> WBC 6.8 (4.0-10.5)

> >> RBC 4.23 (3.80-5.10)

> >> Hemoglobin 12.8 (11.5-15.0)

> >> Hematocrit 38.1 (34.0-44.0)

> >> MCV 90 (80-98)

> >> MCH 30.3 (27.0-34.0)

> >> MCHC 33.6 (32.0-36.0)

> >> RDW 12.6 (11.7-15.0)

> >> Platelets 220 (140-415)

> >>

> >> Glucose, serum 77 (65-99)

> >> BUN 17 (5-26)

> >> Creatinine, serum 0.78 (0.57-1.00)

> >> Insulin 3.6 (0.0-24.9)

> >>

> >> Sodium, serum 141 (135-145)

> >> Potassium, serum 4.1 (3.5-5.2)

> >> Chloride serum 103 (97-108)

> >> Carbon diioxide, total 26 (20-32)

> >> Calcium serum 8.9 (8.7-10.2)

> >>

> >> Protein, total, serum 6.3 (6.0-8.5)

> >> Albumin, serum 4.2 (3.5-5.5)

> >> Globulin, total 2.1 (1.5-4.5)

> >>

> >> Iron Bind. Cap (TIBC) 223 (250-450)

> >> UIBC 92 (150-375)

> >> Iron, serum 131 (35-155)

> >> Iron Saturation 59 (15-55)

> >> Transferrin 195 (200-370)

> >> Ferritin, serum 98 (13-150)

> >>

> >> Testosterone, serum 53 (6-82)

> >> Free Testosterone (direct) .4 (0.0-2.2)

> >> Estradiol 333.3 (luteal phase = 43.8 - 211.0)

> >> Progesterone 4.0 (luteal phase = 1.7 - 27.0)

> >>

> >> Vitamin B12 878 (211-946)

> >> Vitamin D, 25 Hydroxy 77.9 (32.0-100.0)

> >> Folate, RBC- lab never got processed

> >>

> >> DHEA-sulfate 158 (35.4-256.0)

> >> Cortisol AM - will follow

> >> Aldosterone 15.8 (adult upright = 4.0-31.0)

> >> Renin Activity, plasma 1.51 (adult upright = 1.31-3.95)

> >>

> >> Triiodothyronine, Free, Serum (T3)= 2.7 (2.0 -4.4), last lab was 3.1

> >> Thyroxine (T4)Free, direct, serum =.60 (0.82-1.77), last lab was .89

> >> Reverse T3 = 134 (90 - 350), last lab was 150

> >> No TSH was done

> >>

> >> Sorry this is so long, please help me identify why I am having trouble with

raising T3.

> >>

> >> Could high estrogen or imbalance between progesterone/estrogen cause stress

to adrenols or problems with thyroid?

> >>

> >> I think that my iron/ferritin level is at a good place and would like to

cut back on iron supps.(I take 7 supps.= 189mg.).

> >>

> >> What do you think would be a good amount to maintain ferritin?

> >>

> >> Thank you once again for any help you can provide and for your time.

> >> Marcy

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

[Guest guest]

where is a good place to get progesterone cream? My doc told me to just get some over the counter, but i've not really seen any.To: RT3_T3 Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 6:00:12 PMSubject: Re: Bump: Please Nick/Val in need of advice - new

labs/Marcy

Thank you Val for helping me with all this.

I have been reading on Dr Lam's site most of yesterday and this morning. I noticed that Ginseng(panax)has been proven to have a mild estrogen-promoting activity in some women. I am taking a low dose in the adrenal support that my doctor recomended (3 x 100mg per day). However, that is probably only adding to the existing problem, and I am not taking anymore just in case.

Iron will now be stopped - until next testing and I will get my doctor to prescribe the progesterone cream.

The last saliva panel was done on 11/7/09 with Genova labs:

7 - 9am 1.05 (range 0.27-1.18)

11 - 1pm 0.16 (range 0.10-0.41)

3 - 5pm 0.18 (range 0.05-0.27)

10 -12am 0.24 (range 0.03-0.14)

DHEA 7am-9am - 595 (range 71-640pg/mL)

DHEA: Cortisol Ratio/10,000 - 567 (range 115-1,188)

On 4/2/10 my Cortisol - AM was 15.8 ug/dL (range 6.2 - 19.4), but my T3 was looking better then and I was feeling better also. I had lowered my T3 down to almost nothing because I noticed as I lowered the dosage that my temp. increased to 98.6 and I felt great (too good) for a while. Then the hypo. got worse so I took more T3, but had trouble raising past 18.75.

Should I do another saliva panel?

Thanks again,

Marcy

> >> I started taking T3 only on 12/10/09, my ferritin was 41 then, so I moved slowly. When I raise the cynomel, I give about a week to adjust and my temps never seem to adjust or I start to feel anxious and have sleep issues. I know I need to take more Cynomel and am now trying to raise again slowly from 18.75 to 25mcg.

> >>

> >> I had an adrenocortex stress profile test back on 11-7-09 and it was not too bad (from good morning level to afternoon drop and then slightly going back up some)and I have just been taking herbal supps. since.

> >>

> >> Not sure what to look for at this point and my doctor wants to look into my results further before we change anything...she actually said to see if anyone in the group has any thoughts on lab results also.

> >>

> >> My basil temps. range from 97.3-97.7, and daily averages from 98.2-98.6 on occasion at 18.75mcg. of Cynomel. Blood draw was taken 6 days prior to my period (which is always irregular), if that matters.

> >>

> >> WBC 6.8 (4.0-10.5)

> >> RBC 4.23 (3.80-5.10)

> >> Hemoglobin 12.8 (11.5-15.0)

> >> Hematocrit 38.1 (34.0-44.0)

> >> MCV 90 (80-98)

> >> MCH 30.3 (27.0-34.0)

> >> MCHC 33.6 (32.0-36.0)

> >> RDW 12.6 (11.7-15.0)

> >> Platelets 220 (140-415)

> >>

> >> Glucose, serum 77 (65-99)

> >> BUN 17 (5-26)

> >> Creatinine, serum 0.78 (0.57-1.00)

> >> Insulin 3.6 (0.0-24.9)

> >>

> >> Sodium, serum 141 (135-145)

> >> Potassium, serum 4.1 (3.5-5.2)

> >> Chloride serum 103 (97-108)

> >> Carbon diioxide, total 26 (20-32)

> >> Calcium serum 8.9 (8.7-10.2)

> >>

> >> Protein, total, serum 6.3 (6.0-8.5)

> >> Albumin, serum 4.2 (3.5-5.5)

> >> Globulin, total 2.1 (1.5-4.5)

> >>

> >> Iron Bind. Cap (TIBC) 223 (250-450)

> >> UIBC 92 (150-375)

> >> Iron, serum 131 (35-155)

> >> Iron Saturation 59 (15-55)

> >> Transferrin 195 (200-370)

> >> Ferritin, serum 98 (13-150)

> >>

> >> Testosterone, serum 53 (6-82)

> >> Free Testosterone (direct) .4 (0.0-2.2)

> >> Estradiol 333.3 (luteal phase = 43.8 - 211.0)

> >> Progesterone 4.0 (luteal phase = 1.7 - 27.0)

> >>

> >> Vitamin B12 878 (211-946)

> >> Vitamin D, 25 Hydroxy 77.9 (32.0-100.0)

> >> Folate, RBC- lab never got processed

> >>

> >> DHEA-sulfate 158 (35.4-256.0)

> >> Cortisol AM - will follow

> >> Aldosterone 15.8 (adult upright = 4.0-31.0)

> >> Renin Activity, plasma 1.51 (adult upright = 1.31-3.95)

> >>

> >> Triiodothyronine, Free, Serum (T3)= 2.7 (2.0 -4.4), last lab was 3.1

> >> Thyroxine (T4)Free, direct, serum =.60 (0.82-1.77), last lab was .89

> >> Reverse T3 = 134 (90 - 350), last lab was 150

> >> No TSH was done

> >>

> >> Sorry this is so long, please help me identify why I am having trouble with raising T3.

> >>

> >> Could high estrogen or imbalance between progesterone/estrogen cause stress to adrenols or problems with thyroid?

> >>

> >> I think that my iron/ferritin level is at a good place and would like to cut back on iron supps.(I take 7 supps.= 189mg.).

> >>

> >> What do you think would be a good amount to maintain ferritin?

> >>

> >> Thank you once again for any help you can provide and for your time.

> >> Marcy

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

[Guest guest]

Here are links to two OTC progesterone products. But I've never used them -

perhaps someone else on the group can give their opinion on these? Or suggest

additional OTC progesterone product options?

Pro-Gest Cream

http://www.emerita.com/index.cfm/product/38_4/paraben-free-pro-gest-2-oz.cfm

Progest-E Complex

http://www.vitaminexpress.com/product_info.php/products_id/526

> > >> I started taking T3 only on 12/10/09, my ferritin was 41 then, so I moved

> >slowly. When I raise the cynomel, I give about a week to adjust and my temps

> >never seem to adjust or I start to feel anxious and have sleep issues. I

know I

> >need to take more Cynomel and am now trying to raise again slowly from 18.75

to

> >25mcg.

> > >>

> > >> I had an adrenocortex stress profile test back on 11-7-09 and it was not

too

> >bad (from good morning level to afternoon drop and then slightly going back

up

> >some)and I have just been taking herbal supps. since.

> > >>

> > >> Not sure what to look for at this point and my doctor wants to look into

my

> >results further before we change anything...she actually said to see if

anyone

> >in the group has any thoughts on lab results also.

> > >>

> > >> My basil temps. range from 97.3-97.7, and daily averages from 98.2-98.6

on

> >occasion at 18.75mcg. of Cynomel. Blood draw was taken 6 days prior to my

period

> >(which is always irregular), if that matters.

> > >>

> > >> WBC 6.8 (4.0-10.5)

> > >> RBC 4.23 (3.80-5.10)

> > >> Hemoglobin 12.8 (11.5-15.0)

> > >> Hematocrit 38.1 (34.0-44.0)

> > >> MCV 90 (80-98)

> > >> MCH 30.3 (27.0-34.0)

> > >> MCHC 33.6 (32.0-36.0)

> > >> RDW 12.6 (11.7-15.0)

> > >> Platelets 220 (140-415)

> > >>

> > >> Glucose, serum 77 (65-99)

> > >> BUN 17 (5-26)

> > >> Creatinine, serum 0.78 (0.57-1.00)

> > >> Insulin 3.6 (0.0-24.9)

> > >>

> > >> Sodium, serum 141 (135-145)

> > >> Potassium, serum 4.1 (3.5-5.2)

> > >> Chloride serum 103 (97-108)

> > >> Carbon diioxide, total 26 (20-32)

> > >> Calcium serum 8.9 (8.7-10.2)

> > >>

> > >> Protein, total, serum 6.3 (6.0-8.5)

> > >> Albumin, serum 4.2 (3.5-5.5)

> > >> Globulin, total 2.1 (1.5-4.5)

> > >>

> > >> Iron Bind. Cap (TIBC) 223 (250-450)

> > >> UIBC 92 (150-375)

> > >> Iron, serum 131 (35-155)

> > >> Iron Saturation 59 (15-55)

> > >> Transferrin 195 (200-370)

> > >> Ferritin, serum 98 (13-150)

> > >>

> > >> Testosterone, serum 53 (6-82)

> > >> Free Testosterone (direct) .4 (0.0-2.2)

> > >> Estradiol 333.3 (luteal phase = 43.8 - 211.0)

> > >> Progesterone 4.0 (luteal phase = 1.7 - 27.0)

> > >>

> > >> Vitamin B12 878 (211-946)

> > >> Vitamin D, 25 Hydroxy 77.9 (32.0-100.0)

> > >> Folate, RBC- lab never got processed

> > >>

> > >> DHEA-sulfate 158 (35.4-256.0)

> > >> Cortisol AM - will follow

> > >> Aldosterone 15.8 (adult upright = 4.0-31.0)

> > >> Renin Activity, plasma 1.51 (adult upright = 1.31-3.95)

> > >>

> > >> Triiodothyronine, Free, Serum (T3)= 2.7 (2.0 -4.4), last lab was 3.1

> > >> Thyroxine (T4)Free, direct, serum =.60 (0.82-1.77), last lab was .89

> > >> Reverse T3 = 134 (90 - 350), last lab was 150

> > >> No TSH was done

> > >>

> > >> Sorry this is so long, please help me identify why I am having trouble

with

> >raising T3.

> > >>

> > >> Could high estrogen or imbalance between progesterone/estrogen cause

stress

> >to adrenols or problems with thyroid?

> > >>

> > >> I think that my iron/ferritin level is at a good place and would like to

cut

> >back on iron supps.(I take 7 supps.= 189mg.).

> > >>

> > >> What do you think would be a good amount to maintain ferritin?

> > >>

> > >> Thank you once again for any help you can provide and for your time.

> > >> Marcy

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences.

> >Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Yahoo!

Groups

> >Links

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you MarcyTo: RT3_T3 Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 7:51:35 PMSubject: Re: Bump: Please Nick/Val in need of advice - new labs/Marcy

Here are links to two OTC progesterone products. But I've never used them - perhaps someone else on the group can give their opinion on these? Or suggest additional OTC progesterone product options?

Pro-Gest Cream

http://www.emerita.com/index.cfm/product/38_4/paraben-free-pro-gest-2-oz.cfm

Progest-E Complex

http://www.vitaminexpress.com/product_info.php/products_id/526

> > >> I started taking T3 only on 12/10/09, my ferritin was 41 then, so I moved

> >slowly. When I raise the cynomel, I give about a week to adjust and my temps

> >never seem to adjust or I start to feel anxious and have sleep issues. I know I

> >need to take more Cynomel and am now trying to raise again slowly from 18.75 to

> >25mcg.

> > >>

> > >> I had an adrenocortex stress profile test back on 11-7-09 and it was not too

> >bad (from good morning level to afternoon drop and then slightly going back up

> >some)and I have just been taking herbal supps. since.

> > >>

> > >> Not sure what to look for at this point and my doctor wants to look into my

> >results further before we change anything...she actually said to see if anyone

> >in the group has any thoughts on lab results also.

> > >>

> > >> My basil temps. range from 97.3-97.7, and daily averages from 98.2-98.6 on

> >occasion at 18.75mcg. of Cynomel. Blood draw was taken 6 days prior to my period

> >(which is always irregular), if that matters.

> > >>

> > >> WBC 6.8 (4.0-10.5)

> > >> RBC 4.23 (3.80-5.10)

> > >> Hemoglobin 12.8 (11.5-15.0)

> > >> Hematocrit 38.1 (34.0-44.0)

> > >> MCV 90 (80-98)

> > >> MCH 30.3 (27.0-34.0)

> > >> MCHC 33.6 (32.0-36.0)

> > >> RDW 12.6 (11.7-15.0)

> > >> Platelets 220 (140-415)

> > >>

> > >> Glucose, serum 77 (65-99)

> > >> BUN 17 (5-26)

> > >> Creatinine, serum 0.78 (0.57-1.00)

> > >> Insulin 3.6 (0.0-24.9)

> > >>

> > >> Sodium, serum 141 (135-145)

> > >> Potassium, serum 4.1 (3.5-5.2)

> > >> Chloride serum 103 (97-108)

> > >> Carbon diioxide, total 26 (20-32)

> > >> Calcium serum 8.9 (8.7-10.2)

> > >>

> > >> Protein, total, serum 6.3 (6.0-8.5)

> > >> Albumin, serum 4.2 (3.5-5.5)

> > >> Globulin, total 2.1 (1.5-4.5)

> > >>

> > >> Iron Bind. Cap (TIBC) 223 (250-450)

> > >> UIBC 92 (150-375)

> > >> Iron, serum 131 (35-155)

> > >> Iron Saturation 59 (15-55)

> > >> Transferrin 195 (200-370)

> > >> Ferritin, serum 98 (13-150)

> > >>

> > >> Testosterone, serum 53 (6-82)

> > >> Free Testosterone (direct) .4 (0.0-2.2)

> > >> Estradiol 333.3 (luteal phase = 43.8 - 211.0)

> > >> Progesterone 4.0 (luteal phase = 1.7 - 27.0)

> > >>

> > >> Vitamin B12 878 (211-946)

> > >> Vitamin D, 25 Hydroxy 77.9 (32.0-100.0)

> > >> Folate, RBC- lab never got processed

> > >>

> > >> DHEA-sulfate 158 (35.4-256.0)

> > >> Cortisol AM - will follow

> > >> Aldosterone 15.8 (adult upright = 4.0-31.0)

> > >> Renin Activity, plasma 1.51 (adult upright = 1.31-3.95)

> > >>

> > >> Triiodothyronine, Free, Serum (T3)= 2.7 (2.0 -4.4), last lab was 3.1

> > >> Thyroxine (T4)Free, direct, serum =.60 (0.82-1.77), last lab was .89

> > >> Reverse T3 = 134 (90 - 350), last lab was 150

> > >> No TSH was done

> > >>

> > >> Sorry this is so long, please help me identify why I am having trouble with

> >raising T3.

> > >>

> > >> Could high estrogen or imbalance between progesterone/estrogen cause stress

> >to adrenols or problems with thyroid?

> > >>

> > >> I think that my iron/ferritin level is at a good place and would like to cut

> >back on iron supps.(I take 7 supps.= 189mg.).

> > >>

> > >> What do you think would be a good amount to maintain ferritin?

> > >>

> > >> Thank you once again for any help you can provide and for your time.

> > >> Marcy

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences.

> >Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Yahoo! Groups

> >Links

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Vita-Cost has a great product that is about half or less of what I paid in a

local compounding pharmacy. Source Naturals Progesterone Cream Tube -- 4 fl oz

for $7.64. Emerita is what my doc recommended, but it's 3 x as much and I can't

tell a difference since switching to this 8 or so months ago.

Hope this helps,

> > >> I started taking T3 only on 12/10/09, my ferritin was 41 then, so I moved

> >slowly. When I raise the cynomel, I give about a week to adjust and my temps

> >never seem to adjust or I start to feel anxious and have sleep issues. I

know I

> >need to take more Cynomel and am now trying to raise again slowly from 18.75

to

> >25mcg.

> > >>

> > >> I had an adrenocortex stress profile test back on 11-7-09 and it was not

too

> >bad (from good morning level to afternoon drop and then slightly going back

up

> >some)and I have just been taking herbal supps. since.

> > >>

> > >> Not sure what to look for at this point and my doctor wants to look into

my

> >results further before we change anything...she actually said to see if

anyone

> >in the group has any thoughts on lab results also.

> > >>

> > >> My basil temps. range from 97.3-97.7, and daily averages from 98.2-98.6

on

> >occasion at 18.75mcg. of Cynomel. Blood draw was taken 6 days prior to my

period

> >(which is always irregular), if that matters.

> > >>

> > >> WBC 6.8 (4.0-10.5)

> > >> RBC 4.23 (3.80-5.10)

> > >> Hemoglobin 12.8 (11.5-15.0)

> > >> Hematocrit 38.1 (34.0-44.0)

> > >> MCV 90 (80-98)

> > >> MCH 30.3 (27.0-34.0)

> > >> MCHC 33.6 (32.0-36.0)

> > >> RDW 12.6 (11.7-15.0)

> > >> Platelets 220 (140-415)

> > >>

> > >> Glucose, serum 77 (65-99)

> > >> BUN 17 (5-26)

> > >> Creatinine, serum 0.78 (0.57-1.00)

> > >> Insulin 3.6 (0.0-24.9)

> > >>

> > >> Sodium, serum 141 (135-145)

> > >> Potassium, serum 4.1 (3.5-5.2)

> > >> Chloride serum 103 (97-108)

> > >> Carbon diioxide, total 26 (20-32)

> > >> Calcium serum 8.9 (8.7-10.2)

> > >>

> > >> Protein, total, serum 6.3 (6.0-8.5)

> > >> Albumin, serum 4.2 (3.5-5.5)

> > >> Globulin, total 2.1 (1.5-4.5)

> > >>

> > >> Iron Bind. Cap (TIBC) 223 (250-450)

> > >> UIBC 92 (150-375)

> > >> Iron, serum 131 (35-155)

> > >> Iron Saturation 59 (15-55)

> > >> Transferrin 195 (200-370)

> > >> Ferritin, serum 98 (13-150)

> > >>

> > >> Testosterone, serum 53 (6-82)

> > >> Free Testosterone (direct) .4 (0.0-2.2)

> > >> Estradiol 333.3 (luteal phase = 43.8 - 211.0)

> > >> Progesterone 4.0 (luteal phase = 1.7 - 27.0)

> > >>

> > >> Vitamin B12 878 (211-946)

> > >> Vitamin D, 25 Hydroxy 77.9 (32.0-100.0)

> > >> Folate, RBC- lab never got processed

> > >>

> > >> DHEA-sulfate 158 (35.4-256.0)

> > >> Cortisol AM - will follow

> > >> Aldosterone 15.8 (adult upright = 4.0-31.0)

> > >> Renin Activity, plasma 1.51 (adult upright = 1.31-3.95)

> > >>

> > >> Triiodothyronine, Free, Serum (T3)= 2.7 (2.0 -4.4), last lab was 3.1

> > >> Thyroxine (T4)Free, direct, serum =.60 (0.82-1.77), last lab was .89

> > >> Reverse T3 = 134 (90 - 350), last lab was 150

> > >> No TSH was done

> > >>

> > >> Sorry this is so long, please help me identify why I am having trouble

with

> >raising T3.

> > >>

> > >> Could high estrogen or imbalance between progesterone/estrogen cause

stress

> >to adrenols or problems with thyroid?

> > >>

> > >> I think that my iron/ferritin level is at a good place and would like to

cut

> >back on iron supps.(I take 7 supps.= 189mg.).

> > >>

> > >> What do you think would be a good amount to maintain ferritin?

> > >>

> > >> Thank you once again for any help you can provide and for your time.

> > >> Marcy

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences.

> >Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Yahoo!

Groups

> >Links

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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> > >> I started taking T3 only on 12/10/09, my ferritin was 41 then, so I moved

slowly. When I raise the cynomel, I give about a week to adjust and my temps

never seem to adjust or I start to feel anxious and have sleep issues. I know I

need to take more Cynomel and am now trying to raise again slowly from 18.75 to

25mcg.

> > >>

> > >> I had an adrenocortex stress profile test back on 11-7-09 and it was not

too bad (from good morning level to afternoon drop and then slightly going back

up some)and I have just been taking herbal supps. since.

> > >>

> > >> Not sure what to look for at this point and my doctor wants to look into

my results further before we change anything...she actually said to see if

anyone in the group has any thoughts on lab results also.

> > >>

> > >> My basil temps. range from 97.3-97.7, and daily averages from 98.2-98.6

on occasion at 18.75mcg. of Cynomel. Blood draw was taken 6 days prior to my

period (which is always irregular), if that matters.

> > >>

> > >> WBC 6.8 (4.0-10.5)

> > >> RBC 4.23 (3.80-5.10)

> > >> Hemoglobin 12.8 (11.5-15.0)

> > >> Hematocrit 38.1 (34.0-44.0)

> > >> MCV 90 (80-98)

> > >> MCH 30.3 (27.0-34.0)

> > >> MCHC 33.6 (32.0-36.0)

> > >> RDW 12.6 (11.7-15.0)

> > >> Platelets 220 (140-415)

> > >>

> > >> Glucose, serum 77 (65-99)

> > >> BUN 17 (5-26)

> > >> Creatinine, serum 0.78 (0.57-1.00)

> > >> Insulin 3.6 (0.0-24.9)

> > >>

> > >> Sodium, serum 141 (135-145)

> > >> Potassium, serum 4.1 (3.5-5.2)

> > >> Chloride serum 103 (97-108)

> > >> Carbon diioxide, total 26 (20-32)

> > >> Calcium serum 8.9 (8.7-10.2)

> > >>

> > >> Protein, total, serum 6.3 (6.0-8.5)

> > >> Albumin, serum 4.2 (3.5-5.5)

> > >> Globulin, total 2.1 (1.5-4.5)

> > >>

> > >> Iron Bind. Cap (TIBC) 223 (250-450)

> > >> UIBC 92 (150-375)

> > >> Iron, serum 131 (35-155)

> > >> Iron Saturation 59 (15-55)

> > >> Transferrin 195 (200-370)

> > >> Ferritin, serum 98 (13-150)

> > >>

> > >> Testosterone, serum 53 (6-82)

> > >> Free Testosterone (direct) .4 (0.0-2.2)

> > >> Estradiol 333.3 (luteal phase = 43.8 - 211.0)

> > >> Progesterone 4.0 (luteal phase = 1.7 - 27.0)

> > >>

> > >> Vitamin B12 878 (211-946)

> > >> Vitamin D, 25 Hydroxy 77.9 (32.0-100.0)

> > >> Folate, RBC- lab never got processed

> > >>

> > >> DHEA-sulfate 158 (35.4-256.0)

> > >> Cortisol AM - will follow

> > >> Aldosterone 15.8 (adult upright = 4.0-31.0)

> > >> Renin Activity, plasma 1.51 (adult upright = 1.31-3.95)

> > >>

> > >> Triiodothyronine, Free, Serum (T3)= 2.7 (2.0 -4.4), last lab was 3.1

> > >> Thyroxine (T4)Free, direct, serum =.60 (0.82-1.77), last lab was .89

> > >> Reverse T3 = 134 (90 - 350), last lab was 150

> > >> No TSH was done

> > >>

> > >> Sorry this is so long, please help me identify why I am having trouble

with raising T3.

> > >>

> > >> Could high estrogen or imbalance between progesterone/estrogen cause

stress to adrenols or problems with thyroid?

> > >>

> > >> I think that my iron/ferritin level is at a good place and would like to

cut back on iron supps.(I take 7 supps.= 189mg.).

> > >>

> > >> What do you think would be a good amount to maintain ferritin?

> > >>

> > >> Thank you once again for any help you can provide and for your time.

> > >> Marcy

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

[Guest guest]

Emerita works. I've used it but had to use a lot, so it might not be as potent

as they say. The BEST I've used is Xymogen. You can google it and buy it online.

I like the ProgX best as one pump is 5 mg.

Kathleen

> > > >> I started taking T3 only on 12/10/09, my ferritin was 41 then, so I

moved

> > >slowly. When I raise the cynomel, I give about a week to adjust and my

temps

> > >never seem to adjust or I start to feel anxious and have sleep issues. I

know I

> > >need to take more Cynomel and am now trying to raise again slowly from

18.75 to

> > >25mcg.

> > > >>

> > > >> I had an adrenocortex stress profile test back on 11-7-09 and it was

not too

> > >bad (from good morning level to afternoon drop and then slightly going back

up

> > >some)and I have just been taking herbal supps. since.

> > > >>

> > > >> Not sure what to look for at this point and my doctor wants to look

into my

> > >results further before we change anything...she actually said to see if

anyone

> > >in the group has any thoughts on lab results also.

> > > >>

> > > >> My basil temps. range from 97.3-97.7, and daily averages from 98.2-98.6

on

> > >occasion at 18.75mcg. of Cynomel. Blood draw was taken 6 days prior to my

period

> > >(which is always irregular), if that matters.

> > > >>

> > > >> WBC 6.8 (4.0-10.5)

> > > >> RBC 4.23 (3.80-5.10)

> > > >> Hemoglobin 12.8 (11.5-15.0)

> > > >> Hematocrit 38.1 (34.0-44.0)

> > > >> MCV 90 (80-98)

> > > >> MCH 30.3 (27.0-34.0)

> > > >> MCHC 33.6 (32.0-36.0)

> > > >> RDW 12.6 (11.7-15.0)

> > > >> Platelets 220 (140-415)

> > > >>

> > > >> Glucose, serum 77 (65-99)

> > > >> BUN 17 (5-26)

> > > >> Creatinine, serum 0.78 (0.57-1.00)

> > > >> Insulin 3.6 (0.0-24.9)

> > > >>

> > > >> Sodium, serum 141 (135-145)

> > > >> Potassium, serum 4.1 (3.5-5.2)

> > > >> Chloride serum 103 (97-108)

> > > >> Carbon diioxide, total 26 (20-32)

> > > >> Calcium serum 8.9 (8.7-10.2)

> > > >>

> > > >> Protein, total, serum 6.3 (6.0-8.5)

> > > >> Albumin, serum 4.2 (3.5-5.5)

> > > >> Globulin, total 2.1 (1.5-4.5)

> > > >>

> > > >> Iron Bind. Cap (TIBC) 223 (250-450)

> > > >> UIBC 92 (150-375)

> > > >> Iron, serum 131 (35-155)

> > > >> Iron Saturation 59 (15-55)

> > > >> Transferrin 195 (200-370)

> > > >> Ferritin, serum 98 (13-150)

> > > >>

> > > >> Testosterone, serum 53 (6-82)

> > > >> Free Testosterone (direct) .4 (0.0-2.2)

> > > >> Estradiol 333.3 (luteal phase = 43.8 - 211.0)

> > > >> Progesterone 4.0 (luteal phase = 1.7 - 27.0)

> > > >>

> > > >> Vitamin B12 878 (211-946)

> > > >> Vitamin D, 25 Hydroxy 77.9 (32.0-100.0)

> > > >> Folate, RBC- lab never got processed

> > > >>

> > > >> DHEA-sulfate 158 (35.4-256.0)

> > > >> Cortisol AM - will follow

> > > >> Aldosterone 15.8 (adult upright = 4.0-31.0)

> > > >> Renin Activity, plasma 1.51 (adult upright = 1.31-3.95)

> > > >>

> > > >> Triiodothyronine, Free, Serum (T3)= 2.7 (2.0 -4.4), last lab was 3.1

> > > >> Thyroxine (T4)Free, direct, serum =.60 (0.82-1.77), last lab was .89

> > > >> Reverse T3 = 134 (90 - 350), last lab was 150

> > > >> No TSH was done

> > > >>

> > > >> Sorry this is so long, please help me identify why I am having trouble

with

> > >raising T3.

> > > >>

> > > >> Could high estrogen or imbalance between progesterone/estrogen cause

stress

> > >to adrenols or problems with thyroid?

> > > >>

> > > >> I think that my iron/ferritin level is at a good place and would like

to cut

> > >back on iron supps.(I take 7 supps.= 189mg.).

> > > >>

> > > >> What do you think would be a good amount to maintain ferritin?

> > > >>

> > > >> Thank you once again for any help you can provide and for your time.

> > > >> Marcy

> > > >>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences.

> > >Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Yahoo!

Groups

> > >Links

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I can answer on the progesterone cream - will have to leave the rest for Val -

compounded progesterone cream may be a LOT stronger than the OTC. This depends

entirely on the prescription the doctor writes - it is compounded to whatever

strength the doctor writes the prescription for.

My own compounded prog cream was ten times stronger than the OTC cream.

> > > >> I started taking T3 only on 12/10/09, my ferritin was 41 then, so I

moved slowly. When I raise the cynomel, I give about a week to adjust and my

temps never seem to adjust or I start to feel anxious and have sleep issues. I

know I need to take more Cynomel and am now trying to raise again slowly from

18.75 to 25mcg.

> > > >>

> > > >> I had an adrenocortex stress profile test back on 11-7-09 and it was

not too bad (from good morning level to afternoon drop and then slightly going

back up some)and I have just been taking herbal supps. since.

> > > >>

> > > >> Not sure what to look for at this point and my doctor wants to look

into my results further before we change anything...she actually said to see if

anyone in the group has any thoughts on lab results also.

> > > >>

> > > >> My basil temps. range from 97.3-97.7, and daily averages from 98.2-98.6

on occasion at 18.75mcg. of Cynomel. Blood draw was taken 6 days prior to my

period (which is always irregular), if that matters.

> > > >>

> > > >> WBC 6.8 (4.0-10.5)

> > > >> RBC 4.23 (3.80-5.10)

> > > >> Hemoglobin 12.8 (11.5-15.0)

> > > >> Hematocrit 38.1 (34.0-44.0)

> > > >> MCV 90 (80-98)

> > > >> MCH 30.3 (27.0-34.0)

> > > >> MCHC 33.6 (32.0-36.0)

> > > >> RDW 12.6 (11.7-15.0)

> > > >> Platelets 220 (140-415)

> > > >>

> > > >> Glucose, serum 77 (65-99)

> > > >> BUN 17 (5-26)

> > > >> Creatinine, serum 0.78 (0.57-1.00)

> > > >> Insulin 3.6 (0.0-24.9)

> > > >>

> > > >> Sodium, serum 141 (135-145)

> > > >> Potassium, serum 4.1 (3.5-5.2)

> > > >> Chloride serum 103 (97-108)

> > > >> Carbon diioxide, total 26 (20-32)

> > > >> Calcium serum 8.9 (8.7-10.2)

> > > >>

> > > >> Protein, total, serum 6.3 (6.0-8.5)

> > > >> Albumin, serum 4.2 (3.5-5.5)

> > > >> Globulin, total 2.1 (1.5-4.5)

> > > >>

> > > >> Iron Bind. Cap (TIBC) 223 (250-450)

> > > >> UIBC 92 (150-375)

> > > >> Iron, serum 131 (35-155)

> > > >> Iron Saturation 59 (15-55)

> > > >> Transferrin 195 (200-370)

> > > >> Ferritin, serum 98 (13-150)

> > > >>

> > > >> Testosterone, serum 53 (6-82)

> > > >> Free Testosterone (direct) .4 (0.0-2.2)

> > > >> Estradiol 333.3 (luteal phase = 43.8 - 211.0)

> > > >> Progesterone 4.0 (luteal phase = 1.7 - 27.0)

> > > >>

> > > >> Vitamin B12 878 (211-946)

> > > >> Vitamin D, 25 Hydroxy 77.9 (32.0-100.0)

> > > >> Folate, RBC- lab never got processed

> > > >>

> > > >> DHEA-sulfate 158 (35.4-256.0)

> > > >> Cortisol AM - will follow

> > > >> Aldosterone 15.8 (adult upright = 4.0-31.0)

> > > >> Renin Activity, plasma 1.51 (adult upright = 1.31-3.95)

> > > >>

> > > >> Triiodothyronine, Free, Serum (T3)= 2.7 (2.0 -4.4), last lab was 3.1

> > > >> Thyroxine (T4)Free, direct, serum =.60 (0.82-1.77), last lab was .89

> > > >> Reverse T3 = 134 (90 - 350), last lab was 150

> > > >> No TSH was done

> > > >>

> > > >> Sorry this is so long, please help me identify why I am having trouble

with raising T3.

> > > >>

> > > >> Could high estrogen or imbalance between progesterone/estrogen cause

stress to adrenols or problems with thyroid?

> > > >>

> > > >> I think that my iron/ferritin level is at a good place and would like

to cut back on iron supps.(I take 7 supps.= 189mg.).

> > > >>

> > > >> What do you think would be a good amount to maintain ferritin?

> > > >>

> > > >> Thank you once again for any help you can provide and for your time.

> > > >> Marcy

> > > >>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

[Guest guest]

You're right, Margery. But that's the only difference. So instead of having to

use 1/2 tsp, you might only have to use 1/8 tsp. So it can actually be quite

cost effective. I know I had my doc double the strength of my testo gel so I

could use 1/2 as much so the jar now lasts twice as long! :-) So you might ask

your doc to do the same thing to save you money. Most of the cost is for the

compounding itself, not the strength. So you'll pay almost the same for a jar

that's twice as strong but lasts twice as long, so it's much cheaper that way.

Kathleen

> > > > >> I started taking T3 only on 12/10/09, my ferritin was 41 then, so I

moved slowly. When I raise the cynomel, I give about a week to adjust and my

temps never seem to adjust or I start to feel anxious and have sleep issues. I

know I need to take more Cynomel and am now trying to raise again slowly from

18.75 to 25mcg.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> I had an adrenocortex stress profile test back on 11-7-09 and it was

not too bad (from good morning level to afternoon drop and then slightly going

back up some)and I have just been taking herbal supps. since.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Not sure what to look for at this point and my doctor wants to look

into my results further before we change anything...she actually said to see if

anyone in the group has any thoughts on lab results also.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> My basil temps. range from 97.3-97.7, and daily averages from

98.2-98.6 on occasion at 18.75mcg. of Cynomel. Blood draw was taken 6 days prior

to my period (which is always irregular), if that matters.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> WBC 6.8 (4.0-10.5)

> > > > >> RBC 4.23 (3.80-5.10)

> > > > >> Hemoglobin 12.8 (11.5-15.0)

> > > > >> Hematocrit 38.1 (34.0-44.0)

> > > > >> MCV 90 (80-98)

> > > > >> MCH 30.3 (27.0-34.0)

> > > > >> MCHC 33.6 (32.0-36.0)

> > > > >> RDW 12.6 (11.7-15.0)

> > > > >> Platelets 220 (140-415)

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Glucose, serum 77 (65-99)

> > > > >> BUN 17 (5-26)

> > > > >> Creatinine, serum 0.78 (0.57-1.00)

> > > > >> Insulin 3.6 (0.0-24.9)

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Sodium, serum 141 (135-145)

> > > > >> Potassium, serum 4.1 (3.5-5.2)

> > > > >> Chloride serum 103 (97-108)

> > > > >> Carbon diioxide, total 26 (20-32)

> > > > >> Calcium serum 8.9 (8.7-10.2)

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Protein, total, serum 6.3 (6.0-8.5)

> > > > >> Albumin, serum 4.2 (3.5-5.5)

> > > > >> Globulin, total 2.1 (1.5-4.5)

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Iron Bind. Cap (TIBC) 223 (250-450)

> > > > >> UIBC 92 (150-375)

> > > > >> Iron, serum 131 (35-155)

> > > > >> Iron Saturation 59 (15-55)

> > > > >> Transferrin 195 (200-370)

> > > > >> Ferritin, serum 98 (13-150)

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Testosterone, serum 53 (6-82)

> > > > >> Free Testosterone (direct) .4 (0.0-2.2)

> > > > >> Estradiol 333.3 (luteal phase = 43.8 - 211.0)

> > > > >> Progesterone 4.0 (luteal phase = 1.7 - 27.0)

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Vitamin B12 878 (211-946)

> > > > >> Vitamin D, 25 Hydroxy 77.9 (32.0-100.0)

> > > > >> Folate, RBC- lab never got processed

> > > > >>

> > > > >> DHEA-sulfate 158 (35.4-256.0)

> > > > >> Cortisol AM - will follow

> > > > >> Aldosterone 15.8 (adult upright = 4.0-31.0)

> > > > >> Renin Activity, plasma 1.51 (adult upright = 1.31-3.95)

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Triiodothyronine, Free, Serum (T3)= 2.7 (2.0 -4.4), last lab was 3.1

> > > > >> Thyroxine (T4)Free, direct, serum =.60 (0.82-1.77), last lab was .89

> > > > >> Reverse T3 = 134 (90 - 350), last lab was 150

> > > > >> No TSH was done

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Sorry this is so long, please help me identify why I am having

trouble with raising T3.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Could high estrogen or imbalance between progesterone/estrogen cause

stress to adrenols or problems with thyroid?

> > > > >>

> > > > >> I think that my iron/ferritin level is at a good place and would like

to cut back on iron supps.(I take 7 supps.= 189mg.).

> > > > >>

> > > > >> What do you think would be a good amount to maintain ferritin?

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Thank you once again for any help you can provide and for your time.

> > > > >> Marcy

> > > > >>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.