Re: Help! First few days on cytomel....what is going on?

August 25, 2010

I'm sorry, I almost forgot that I don't take ALL those vitamins, and hormones

ALL at once. I think it reads like I do.....

>

> I was hoping someone could help me out here...

> I just started taking cytomel this last Saturday for my RT3 issues. I had an

iron panel done not too long ago, and I just did the saliva test, but don't have

my results yet.

>

> I'm taking 25mcg of cytomel, half at 6:00 a.m. when I am just leaving for

work, and the other half when I get home at 6:00 pm...in the middle of the day

I'm taking my vitamins...biotin, iron, multi, stress B vitamin complex, half an

iodoral, lysine, zinc, vit. C, l-carnatine, evening primrose, and that really

stinging magnesium oil spray, BHR Biest and progesterone cremes, D3, and B12. I

feel like I rattle when I walk.

>

> I'm supplementing iron, as Nick had said folks on here like to see things at

35% saturation at least, and I'm below that....will post results here at the end

of this missive...

> I see a lot of people on here supplementing with massive amounts of iron and

I'm only taking 65mg per day a couple hours post-cytomel. Is this not enough?

Before the cytomel, I never experienced the nasty tummy side effects of the iron

I felt BRILLIANT on iron alone, sort of skippy-happy, but it didn't deal with my

main issues around RT3. Now that I've started the cytomel, my tummy has well,

ceased all action so to speak AND worse of worsts....the symptoms I want to

avoid are back en masse especially......ergh....

> Hair loss!!! ----- weight gain, really sad and weepy, and waking up at 2-3

a.m. every night unable to get to bed...a huge drag since I teach high school 2

hours from my house and have to be up and at em by four or five a.m. at the

least. Hair loss has been THE worst...vanity I know, but I'm not vain about

much else in my life, and my hair was my one thing I felt good about. I've

lost half since on the journey...and put on 40 pounds in about two months two

years ago without ever being able to take it off in spite of all the working

out. Blah!

>

> I've got the painful foot, and the trigger finger, and the hair loss, and the

oh, man the list is endless. but everyone on here knows this already....

> oh, lord, I'm rambling, coz I'm freaked out....

>

> So, started the cytomel...and within one day: Massive hair shed. Just a heck

of a lot coming out in my hands. And still waking up middle of the night/early

moring WIDE awake...and dang it, put on a pound with actually eating LESS in all

the heat we are having. My heart rate seems fine, (I monitor my BP daily as it's

been so HIGH since this all began) and I'm pretty relaxed all day 'till now,

around 8 pm. when I need to hit the sheets...my heart and brain start to race.

Ugh.

>

> Is it normal to lose hair again on cytomel? Am I not taking enough? Or too

much too soon? Will it continue? Crank up iron? My doc. won't prescribe

cortisol for me, if in fact it turns out I need it, 'though she's really good

about everything else. I'm so flipped out about the hair loss, especially all

the new lovely ones I'd managed to grow in since starting BHR a few months

back.....

>

> Val had mentioned I might treat my reverse t3 issue with iron and

cytomel...I'm just pretty much a-trippin' that I'll end up bald, and nuttier

than I already am owing to vast quantities of sleep deprivation. Anyone know

the feeling? Any advice to this wandering stranger?

>

> Thanks for reading my post...I know it's long.

>

> Lab tests

>

> TOTAL IRON BINDING CAPACITY 345 228-428 ug/dL

> IRON 85 35-160 ug/dL

> TOTAL IRON BINDING CAPACITY, UNSATURATED 260 92-365 ug/dL

> TRANSFERRIN % SATURATION 25 15-55 %

>

> thyroid peroxidase antibodies < 10 range <35IU/ml

>

> thyroglobulin antibodies <20 " <20 IU/ml

>

> TSH 1.48 range .40-4.5 mIU/L

>

> T4 Free, 1.19 range .8-1.8 nd/dl

>

> T3 79 range 76-181 ng/dl

>

> estradiol 96

>

> free T3 2.4 range 2.0-4.4 pg/ml

> reverse T3 296 range 90-350 pg/ml

>

> I just have no idea what to expect and the massive hair shed realllly has me

worried. I'd so like to hang on to what I have. Single chicks in their forties

NEED their hair! :-)

>

> Thanks much for any information or advice!

>

> Kel

>

August 25, 2010

Hello,

Some people get the hair loss from any change in t3 meds, up or down. So hang in

there! I am sure as you increase it will get better. Also as you get the iron up

as you may not be utilizing the t3 well with low iron.

What iron are you taking? It needs to be the iron bisglycinate (ferrochel). That

one won't hurt your stomach and yes, you need to be taking more like 150 a day

and you have to take it 4 hours from t3. Or take your t3 1 hour before. So I

used to take my t3 in the AM, then iron with breakfast, then take the rest of my

iron at dinner which was 1 hour after I took my t3 at night. And still gave me

time to take the t3 at bedtime. Okay, sometimes I only wait 3 hours on the iron

because I don't think Ferrochel binds to meds. I've studied it. But I don't know

what you're taking and 2 hours is not long enough for sure!

Oh, and iodoral is heavily frowned on over here as it just promotes more t4 and

you don't want that when you have a rt3 problem!

How long have you been at that dose? You probably read on Nick's page that you

are chasing the decaying t4 when you take cynomel, SO you may need to raise

because what happens is that you have to take t3 increases fast enough to keep

up with the decaying t4 or else you go even more hypo than you were when you

started. Does that make sense? Everyone is diffreent how fast they need to and

can increase and I know you have the low iron issue, too, but it sounds like you

need to raise if it's been more than 5 days.

Kathleen

> >

> > I was hoping someone could help me out here...

> > I just started taking cytomel this last Saturday for my RT3 issues. I had

an iron panel done not too long ago, and I just did the saliva test, but don't

have my results yet.

> >

> > I'm taking 25mcg of cytomel, half at 6:00 a.m. when I am just leaving for

work, and the other half when I get home at 6:00 pm...in the middle of the day

I'm taking my vitamins...biotin, iron, multi, stress B vitamin complex, half an

iodoral, lysine, zinc, vit. C, l-carnatine, evening primrose, and that really

stinging magnesium oil spray, BHR Biest and progesterone cremes, D3, and B12. I

feel like I rattle when I walk.

> >

> > I'm supplementing iron, as Nick had said folks on here like to see things at

35% saturation at least, and I'm below that....will post results here at the end

of this missive...

> > I see a lot of people on here supplementing with massive amounts of iron and

I'm only taking 65mg per day a couple hours post-cytomel. Is this not enough?

Before the cytomel, I never experienced the nasty tummy side effects of the iron

I felt BRILLIANT on iron alone, sort of skippy-happy, but it didn't deal with my

main issues around RT3. Now that I've started the cytomel, my tummy has well,

ceased all action so to speak AND worse of worsts....the symptoms I want to

avoid are back en masse especially......ergh....

> > Hair loss!!! ----- weight gain, really sad and weepy, and waking up at 2-3

a.m. every night unable to get to bed...a huge drag since I teach high school 2

hours from my house and have to be up and at em by four or five a.m. at the

least. Hair loss has been THE worst...vanity I know, but I'm not vain about

much else in my life, and my hair was my one thing I felt good about. I've

lost half since on the journey...and put on 40 pounds in about two months two

years ago without ever being able to take it off in spite of all the working

out. Blah!

> >

> > I've got the painful foot, and the trigger finger, and the hair loss, and

the oh, man the list is endless. but everyone on here knows this already....

> > oh, lord, I'm rambling, coz I'm freaked out....

> >

> > So, started the cytomel...and within one day: Massive hair shed. Just a

heck of a lot coming out in my hands. And still waking up middle of the

night/early moring WIDE awake...and dang it, put on a pound with actually eating

LESS in all the heat we are having. My heart rate seems fine, (I monitor my BP

daily as it's been so HIGH since this all began) and I'm pretty relaxed all day

'till now, around 8 pm. when I need to hit the sheets...my heart and brain start

to race. Ugh.

> >

> > Is it normal to lose hair again on cytomel? Am I not taking enough? Or too

much too soon? Will it continue? Crank up iron? My doc. won't prescribe

cortisol for me, if in fact it turns out I need it, 'though she's really good

about everything else. I'm so flipped out about the hair loss, especially all

the new lovely ones I'd managed to grow in since starting BHR a few months

back.....

> >

> > Val had mentioned I might treat my reverse t3 issue with iron and

cytomel...I'm just pretty much a-trippin' that I'll end up bald, and nuttier

than I already am owing to vast quantities of sleep deprivation. Anyone know

the feeling? Any advice to this wandering stranger?

> >

> > Thanks for reading my post...I know it's long.

> >

> > Lab tests

> >

> > TOTAL IRON BINDING CAPACITY 345 228-428 ug/dL

> > IRON 85 35-160 ug/dL

> > TOTAL IRON BINDING CAPACITY, UNSATURATED 260 92-365 ug/dL

> > TRANSFERRIN % SATURATION 25 15-55 %

> >

> > thyroid peroxidase antibodies < 10 range <35IU/ml

> >

> > thyroglobulin antibodies <20 " <20 IU/ml

> >

> > TSH 1.48 range .40-4.5 mIU/L

> >

> > T4 Free, 1.19 range .8-1.8 nd/dl

> >

> > T3 79 range 76-181 ng/dl

> >

> > estradiol 96

> >

> > free T3 2.4 range 2.0-4.4 pg/ml

> > reverse T3 296 range 90-350 pg/ml

> >

> > I just have no idea what to expect and the massive hair shed realllly has me

worried. I'd so like to hang on to what I have. Single chicks in their forties

NEED their hair! :-)

> >

> > Thanks much for any information or advice!

> >

> > Kel

> >

>

August 26, 2010

Hi Kathleen,

Thanks so much for the information.....I really appreciate it.

My doc wants me on this dose for two weeks...and as I'm hearing you, I ought to

be upping it. I'm afraid I'll run out and she won't write another scrip for

it...

I'm taking it sublingually, as in reading Nick's posts here, he'd written that

it won't meet in the gut that way? Am I reading that incorrectly?

I know the iodoral thing worries me....but it gives me such good energy and

dealt so well with the painful breast tissue thing. You think I ought to just

quit it and see how it goes?

The hair thing just makes me nuts. I'm so lacking in it right now, and so

missing my old me, you know?

Kel

> > >

> > > I was hoping someone could help me out here...

> > > I just started taking cytomel this last Saturday for my RT3 issues. I had

an iron panel done not too long ago, and I just did the saliva test, but don't

have my results yet.

> > >

> > > I'm taking 25mcg of cytomel, half at 6:00 a.m. when I am just leaving for

work, and the other half when I get home at 6:00 pm...in the middle of the day

I'm taking my vitamins...biotin, iron, multi, stress B vitamin complex, half an

iodoral, lysine, zinc, vit. C, l-carnatine, evening primrose, and that really

stinging magnesium oil spray, BHR Biest and progesterone cremes, D3, and B12. I

feel like I rattle when I walk.

> > >

> > > I'm supplementing iron, as Nick had said folks on here like to see things

at 35% saturation at least, and I'm below that....will post results here at the

end of this missive...

> > > I see a lot of people on here supplementing with massive amounts of iron

and I'm only taking 65mg per day a couple hours post-cytomel. Is this not

enough? Before the cytomel, I never experienced the nasty tummy side effects

of the iron I felt BRILLIANT on iron alone, sort of skippy-happy, but it didn't

deal with my main issues around RT3. Now that I've started the cytomel, my

tummy has well, ceased all action so to speak AND worse of worsts....the

symptoms I want to avoid are back en masse especially......ergh....

> > > Hair loss!!! ----- weight gain, really sad and weepy, and waking up at 2-3

a.m. every night unable to get to bed...a huge drag since I teach high school 2

hours from my house and have to be up and at em by four or five a.m. at the

least. Hair loss has been THE worst...vanity I know, but I'm not vain about

much else in my life, and my hair was my one thing I felt good about. I've

lost half since on the journey...and put on 40 pounds in about two months two

years ago without ever being able to take it off in spite of all the working

out. Blah!

> > >

> > > I've got the painful foot, and the trigger finger, and the hair loss, and

the oh, man the list is endless. but everyone on here knows this already....

> > > oh, lord, I'm rambling, coz I'm freaked out....

> > >

> > > So, started the cytomel...and within one day: Massive hair shed. Just a

heck of a lot coming out in my hands. And still waking up middle of the

night/early moring WIDE awake...and dang it, put on a pound with actually eating

LESS in all the heat we are having. My heart rate seems fine, (I monitor my BP

daily as it's been so HIGH since this all began) and I'm pretty relaxed all day

'till now, around 8 pm. when I need to hit the sheets...my heart and brain start

to race. Ugh.

> > >

> > > Is it normal to lose hair again on cytomel? Am I not taking enough? Or

too much too soon? Will it continue? Crank up iron? My doc. won't prescribe

cortisol for me, if in fact it turns out I need it, 'though she's really good

about everything else. I'm so flipped out about the hair loss, especially all

the new lovely ones I'd managed to grow in since starting BHR a few months

back.....

> > >

> > > Val had mentioned I might treat my reverse t3 issue with iron and

cytomel...I'm just pretty much a-trippin' that I'll end up bald, and nuttier

than I already am owing to vast quantities of sleep deprivation. Anyone know

the feeling? Any advice to this wandering stranger?

> > >

> > > Thanks for reading my post...I know it's long.

> > >

> > > Lab tests

> > >

> > > TOTAL IRON BINDING CAPACITY 345 228-428 ug/dL

> > > IRON 85 35-160 ug/dL

> > > TOTAL IRON BINDING CAPACITY, UNSATURATED 260 92-365 ug/dL

> > > TRANSFERRIN % SATURATION 25 15-55 %

> > >

> > > thyroid peroxidase antibodies < 10 range <35IU/ml

> > >

> > > thyroglobulin antibodies <20 " <20 IU/ml

> > >

> > > TSH 1.48 range .40-4.5 mIU/L

> > >

> > > T4 Free, 1.19 range .8-1.8 nd/dl

> > >

> > > T3 79 range 76-181 ng/dl

> > >

> > > estradiol 96

> > >

> > > free T3 2.4 range 2.0-4.4 pg/ml

> > > reverse T3 296 range 90-350 pg/ml

> > >

> > > I just have no idea what to expect and the massive hair shed realllly has

me worried. I'd so like to hang on to what I have. Single chicks in their

forties NEED their hair! :-)

> > >

> > > Thanks much for any information or advice!

> > >

> > > Kel

> > >

> >

>

August 26, 2010

>"How long have you been at that dose? You probably read on Nick's page

that you are chasing the decaying t4 when you take cynomel, SO you may

need to raise because what happens is that you have to take t3

increases fast enough to keep up with the decaying t4 or else you go

even more hypo than you were when you started."<The above info is where I think we all get a little confused. I can only speak for myself being in week 3, but with some of our symptoms getting worse when we are gradually increasing, the question of 'if we are chasing our t4" is the golden question. Do we increase because we are chasing the t4 or do we hold it b/c we are increasing too quickly. This is what I find as being the difficult portion of assessing everything. Thank you moderators for guiding us. I had such a horrible day yesterday, I couldn't figure out whether I was chasing t4, if I couldn't tolerate the t3, if I should increase to feel better or if I increased, I would be adding too fast. This is all very difficult!!!Just had to add in my .02 cents/frustration!!!NanciTo: RT3_T3 Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 11:45:59 PMSubject: Re: Help! First few days on cytomel....what is going on?

Hello,

Some people get the hair loss from any change in t3 meds, up or down. So hang in there! I am sure as you increase it will get better. Also as you get the iron up as you may not be utilizing the t3 well with low iron.

What iron are you taking? It needs to be the iron bisglycinate (ferrochel). That one won't hurt your stomach and yes, you need to be taking more like 150 a day and you have to take it 4 hours from t3. Or take your t3 1 hour before. So I used to take my t3 in the AM, then iron with breakfast, then take the rest of my iron at dinner which was 1 hour after I took my t3 at night. And still gave me time to take the t3 at bedtime. Okay, sometimes I only wait 3 hours on the iron because I don't think Ferrochel binds to meds. I've studied it. But I don't know what you're taking and 2 hours is not long enough for sure!

Oh, and iodoral is heavily frowned on over here as it just promotes more t4 and you don't want that when you have a rt3 problem!

How long have you been at that dose? You probably read on Nick's page that you are chasing the decaying t4 when you take cynomel, SO you may need to raise because what happens is that you have to take t3 increases fast enough to keep up with the decaying t4 or else you go even more hypo than you were when you started. Does that make sense? Everyone is diffreent how fast they need to and can increase and I know you have the low iron issue, too, but it sounds like you need to raise if it's been more than 5 days.

Kathleen

> >

> > I was hoping someone could help me out here...

> > I just started taking cytomel this last Saturday for my RT3 issues. I had an iron panel done not too long ago, and I just did the saliva test, but don't have my results yet.

> >

> > I'm taking 25mcg of cytomel, half at 6:00 a.m. when I am just leaving for work, and the other half when I get home at 6:00 pm...in the middle of the day I'm taking my vitamins...biotin, iron, multi, stress B vitamin complex, half an iodoral, lysine, zinc, vit. C, l-carnatine, evening primrose, and that really stinging magnesium oil spray, BHR Biest and progesterone cremes, D3, and B12. I feel like I rattle when I walk.

> >

> > I'm supplementing iron, as Nick had said folks on here like to see things at 35% saturation at least, and I'm below that....will post results here at the end of this missive...

> > I see a lot of people on here supplementing with massive amounts of iron and I'm only taking 65mg per day a couple hours post-cytomel. Is this not enough? Before the cytomel, I never experienced the nasty tummy side effects of the iron I felt BRILLIANT on iron alone, sort of skippy-happy, but it didn't deal with my main issues around RT3. Now that I've started the cytomel, my tummy has well, ceased all action so to speak AND worse of worsts....the symptoms I want to avoid are back en masse especially......ergh....

> > Hair loss!!! ----- weight gain, really sad and weepy, and waking up at 2-3 a.m. every night unable to get to bed...a huge drag since I teach high school 2 hours from my house and have to be up and at em by four or five a.m. at the least. Hair loss has been THE worst...vanity I know, but I'm not vain about much else in my life, and my hair was my one thing I felt good about. I've lost half since on the journey...and put on 40 pounds in about two months two years ago without ever being able to take it off in spite of all the working out. Blah!

> >

> > I've got the painful foot, and the trigger finger, and the hair loss, and the oh, man the list is endless. but everyone on here knows this already....

> > oh, lord, I'm rambling, coz I'm freaked out....

> >

> > So, started the cytomel...and within one day: Massive hair shed. Just a heck of a lot coming out in my hands. And still waking up middle of the night/early moring WIDE awake...and dang it, put on a pound with actually eating LESS in all the heat we are having. My heart rate seems fine, (I monitor my BP daily as it's been so HIGH since this all began) and I'm pretty relaxed all day 'till now, around 8 pm. when I need to hit the sheets...my heart and brain start to race. Ugh.

> >

> > Is it normal to lose hair again on cytomel? Am I not taking enough? Or too much too soon? Will it continue? Crank up iron? My doc. won't prescribe cortisol for me, if in fact it turns out I need it, 'though she's really good about everything else. I'm so flipped out about the hair loss, especially all the new lovely ones I'd managed to grow in since starting BHR a few months back.....

> >

> > Val had mentioned I might treat my reverse t3 issue with iron and cytomel...I'm just pretty much a-trippin' that I'll end up bald, and nuttier than I already am owing to vast quantities of sleep deprivation. Anyone know the feeling? Any advice to this wandering stranger?

> >

> > Thanks for reading my post...I know it's long.

> >

> > Lab tests

> >

> > TOTAL IRON BINDING CAPACITY 345 228-428 ug/dL

> > IRON 85 35-160 ug/dL

> > TOTAL IRON BINDING CAPACITY, UNSATURATED 260 92-365 ug/dL

> > TRANSFERRIN % SATURATION 25 15-55 %

> >

> > thyroid peroxidase antibodies < 10 range <35IU/ml

> >

> > thyroglobulin antibodies <20 " <20 IU/ml

> >

> > TSH 1.48 range .40-4.5 mIU/L

> >

> > T4 Free, 1.19 range .8-1.8 nd/dl

> >

> > T3 79 range 76-181 ng/dl

> >

> > estradiol 96

> >

> > free T3 2.4 range 2.0-4.4 pg/ml

> > reverse T3 296 range 90-350 pg/ml

> >

> > I just have no idea what to expect and the massive hair shed realllly has me worried. I'd so like to hang on to what I have. Single chicks in their forties NEED their hair! :-)

> >

> > Thanks much for any information or advice!

> >

> > Kel

> >

>

August 26, 2010

Hi Nanci,

I'm not a mod, just thought I should tell you that. :-)

I *think* that if you are chasing the decaying t4, you'll just feel hypo with

low but stable temps and maybe they are stable but gradually going lower even.

With intolerance or raising too fast, you will feel almost hyper like symptoms

-- wired, anxious, etc. as well as being hypo! And your temps may become

unstable due to adrenals not being able to keep up with the increasing t3

levels.

I know it is complicated. I am currently stuck in the same position. Feel like I

almost there and need to bump as I'm tired, depressed and my temps are only

98.4, but suddenly having anxiety, etc., so trying to figure out what is causing

it -- iron, cortisol or blood sugar.

Hang in there. I've had plenty of glimpses of what it will feel like to be

normal again. It's just that it's like 2 steps forward, 1 back, but I think we

will get there eventually.

Kathleen

> > >

> > > I was hoping someone could help me out here...

> > > I just started taking cytomel this last Saturday for my RT3 issues. I had

an

> >iron panel done not too long ago, and I just did the saliva test, but don't

have

> >my results yet.

> > >

> > > I'm taking 25mcg of cytomel, half at 6:00 a.m. when I am just leaving for

> >work, and the other half when I get home at 6:00 pm...in the middle of the

day

> >I'm taking my vitamins...biotin, iron, multi, stress B vitamin complex, half

an

> >iodoral, lysine, zinc, vit. C, l-carnatine, evening primrose, and that really

> >stinging magnesium oil spray, BHR Biest and progesterone cremes, D3, and B12.

I

> >feel like I rattle when I walk.

> > >

> > > I'm supplementing iron, as Nick had said folks on here like to see things

at

> >35% saturation at least, and I'm below that....will post results here at the

end

> >of this missive...

> > > I see a lot of people on here supplementing with massive amounts of iron

and

> >I'm only taking 65mg per day a couple hours post-cytomel. Is this not

enough?

> >Before the cytomel, I never experienced the nasty tummy side effects of the

iron

> >I felt BRILLIANT on iron alone, sort of skippy-happy, but it didn't deal with

my

> >main issues around RT3. Now that I've started the cytomel, my tummy has

well,

> >ceased all action so to speak AND worse of worsts....the symptoms I want to

> >avoid are back en masse especially......ergh....

> >

> > > Hair loss!!! ----- weight gain, really sad and weepy, and waking up at 2-3

> >a.m. every night unable to get to bed...a huge drag since I teach high school

2

> >hours from my house and have to be up and at em by four or five a.m. at the

> >least. Hair loss has been THE worst...vanity I know, but I'm not vain about

> >much else in my life, and my hair was my one thing I felt good about. I've

> >lost half since on the journey...and put on 40 pounds in about two months two

> >years ago without ever being able to take it off in spite of all the working

> >out. Blah!

> > >

> > > I've got the painful foot, and the trigger finger, and the hair loss, and

the

> >oh, man the list is endless. but everyone on here knows this already....

> > > oh, lord, I'm rambling, coz I'm freaked out....

> > >

> > > So, started the cytomel...and within one day: Massive hair shed. Just a

> >heck of a lot coming out in my hands. And still waking up middle of the

> >night/early moring WIDE awake...and dang it, put on a pound with actually

eating

> >LESS in all the heat we are having. My heart rate seems fine, (I monitor my

BP

> >daily as it's been so HIGH since this all began) and I'm pretty relaxed all

day

> >'till now, around 8 pm. when I need to hit the sheets...my heart and brain

start

> >to race. Ugh.

> > >

> > > Is it normal to lose hair again on cytomel? Am I not taking enough? Or

too

> >much too soon? Will it continue? Crank up iron? My doc. won't prescribe

> >cortisol for me, if in fact it turns out I need it, 'though she's really good

> >about everything else. I'm so flipped out about the hair loss, especially

all

> >the new lovely ones I'd managed to grow in since starting BHR a few months

> >back.....

> > >

> > > Val had mentioned I might treat my reverse t3 issue with iron and

> >cytomel...I'm just pretty much a-trippin' that I'll end up bald, and nuttier

> >than I already am owing to vast quantities of sleep deprivation. Anyone know

> >the feeling? Any advice to this wandering stranger?

> > >

> > > Thanks for reading my post...I know it's long.

> > >

> > > Lab tests

> > >

> > > TOTAL IRON BINDING CAPACITY 345 228-428 ug/dL

> > > IRON 85 35-160 ug/dL

> > > TOTAL IRON BINDING CAPACITY, UNSATURATED 260 92-365 ug/dL

> > > TRANSFERRIN % SATURATION 25 15-55 %

> > >

> > > thyroid peroxidase antibodies < 10 range <35IU/ml

> > >

> > > thyroglobulin antibodies <20 " <20 IU/ml

> > >

> > > TSH 1.48 range .40-4.5 mIU/L

> > >

> > > T4 Free, 1.19 range .8-1.8 nd/dl

> > >

> > > T3 79 range 76-181 ng/dl

> > >

> > > estradiol 96

> > >

> > > free T3 2.4 range 2.0-4.4 pg/ml

> > > reverse T3 296 range 90-350 pg/ml

> > >

> > > I just have no idea what to expect and the massive hair shed realllly has

me

> >worried. I'd so like to hang on to what I have. Single chicks in their

forties

> >NEED their hair! :-)

> > >

> > > Thanks much for any information or advice!

> > >

> > > Kel

> > >

> >

>

August 27, 2010

Oh Kathleen, I Soooo hope we will all 'get there' it's so darn disheartening

to watch the hair vanish, the waist size appear, and the slip evaporate! I

looked at the iron I'm taking and it's called feru-sol. Also spoke to my doc.

yesterday about increasing my dose of both progesterone creme, and

cytomel...she, of course, wants me to stay at the 25mcg for ten days. I'm

tempted to increase. I did take TWO of the iron pills yesterday, but I think

I'll have to look into the iron you all take as well, not to put to fine a point

on it, but I can't take the erm....waiting, so to speak. :-(

So do you think I ought to increase the cytomel by a 1/4 or so for the next five

days? I'm so bummed by the frontal hair decrease, and worried it's going to get

so much worse. Yesterday was awful in that regard.

I'm also wondering on the iodoral stuff....one site, adrenals says; YEAH GO FOR

IT! and then this one sayd NO HORRORS stay AWAY from it. Other places say it's

woohoo and still others say NO. SOOO hard to know what to do....and what NOT to

do, as the fall out (no pun) is so hard to figure out.

I'm wondering if I ought to also do the sea salt thing I've read about...I do

have some lovely himalayan pink sea salt....

Ok...babble babble...I have to haul my bike off to BART and get on in to work.

FRIDAY!

Thank you Nanci, I KNOW! Chase, catch, release...I feel like I'm fishing now.

With a bad pole and line that has been sitting in the garage too long.

Kel

> > > >

> > > > I was hoping someone could help me out here...

> > > > I just started taking cytomel this last Saturday for my RT3 issues. I

had an

> > >iron panel done not too long ago, and I just did the saliva test, but don't

have

> > >my results yet.

> > > >

> > > > I'm taking 25mcg of cytomel, half at 6:00 a.m. when I am just leaving

for

> > >work, and the other half when I get home at 6:00 pm...in the middle of the

day

> > >I'm taking my vitamins...biotin, iron, multi, stress B vitamin complex,

half an

> > >iodoral, lysine, zinc, vit. C, l-carnatine, evening primrose, and that

really

> > >stinging magnesium oil spray, BHR Biest and progesterone cremes, D3, and

B12. I

> > >feel like I rattle when I walk.

> > > >

> > > > I'm supplementing iron, as Nick had said folks on here like to see

things at

> > >35% saturation at least, and I'm below that....will post results here at

the end

> > >of this missive...

> > > > I see a lot of people on here supplementing with massive amounts of iron

and

> > >I'm only taking 65mg per day a couple hours post-cytomel. Is this not

enough?

> > >Before the cytomel, I never experienced the nasty tummy side effects of the

iron

> > >I felt BRILLIANT on iron alone, sort of skippy-happy, but it didn't deal

with my

> > >main issues around RT3. Now that I've started the cytomel, my tummy has

well,

> > >ceased all action so to speak AND worse of worsts....the symptoms I want

to

> > >avoid are back en masse especially......ergh....

> > >

> > > > Hair loss!!! ----- weight gain, really sad and weepy, and waking up at

2-3

> > >a.m. every night unable to get to bed...a huge drag since I teach high

school 2

> > >hours from my house and have to be up and at em by four or five a.m. at the

> > >least. Hair loss has been THE worst...vanity I know, but I'm not vain

about

> > >much else in my life, and my hair was my one thing I felt good about.

I've

> > >lost half since on the journey...and put on 40 pounds in about two months

two

> > >years ago without ever being able to take it off in spite of all the

working

> > >out. Blah!

> > > >

> > > > I've got the painful foot, and the trigger finger, and the hair loss,

and the

> > >oh, man the list is endless. but everyone on here knows this already....

> > > > oh, lord, I'm rambling, coz I'm freaked out....

> > > >

> > > > So, started the cytomel...and within one day: Massive hair shed. Just

a

> > >heck of a lot coming out in my hands. And still waking up middle of the

> > >night/early moring WIDE awake...and dang it, put on a pound with actually

eating

> > >LESS in all the heat we are having. My heart rate seems fine, (I monitor my

BP

> > >daily as it's been so HIGH since this all began) and I'm pretty relaxed all

day

> > >'till now, around 8 pm. when I need to hit the sheets...my heart and brain

start

> > >to race. Ugh.

> > > >

> > > > Is it normal to lose hair again on cytomel? Am I not taking enough? Or

too

> > >much too soon? Will it continue? Crank up iron? My doc. won't

prescribe

> > >cortisol for me, if in fact it turns out I need it, 'though she's really

good

> > >about everything else. I'm so flipped out about the hair loss,

especially all

> > >the new lovely ones I'd managed to grow in since starting BHR a few months

> > >back.....

> > > >

> > > > Val had mentioned I might treat my reverse t3 issue with iron and

> > >cytomel...I'm just pretty much a-trippin' that I'll end up bald, and

nuttier

> > >than I already am owing to vast quantities of sleep deprivation. Anyone

know

> > >the feeling? Any advice to this wandering stranger?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for reading my post...I know it's long.

> > > >

> > > > Lab tests

> > > >

> > > > TOTAL IRON BINDING CAPACITY 345 228-428 ug/dL

> > > > IRON 85 35-160 ug/dL

> > > > TOTAL IRON BINDING CAPACITY, UNSATURATED 260 92-365 ug/dL

> > > > TRANSFERRIN % SATURATION 25 15-55 %

> > > >

> > > > thyroid peroxidase antibodies < 10 range <35IU/ml

> > > >

> > > > thyroglobulin antibodies <20 " <20 IU/ml

> > > >

> > > > TSH 1.48 range .40-4.5 mIU/L

> > > >

> > > > T4 Free, 1.19 range .8-1.8 nd/dl

> > > >

> > > > T3 79 range 76-181 ng/dl

> > > >

> > > > estradiol 96

> > > >

> > > > free T3 2.4 range 2.0-4.4 pg/ml

> > > > reverse T3 296 range 90-350 pg/ml

> > > >

> > > > I just have no idea what to expect and the massive hair shed realllly

has me

> > >worried. I'd so like to hang on to what I have. Single chicks in their

forties

> > >NEED their hair! :-)

> > > >

> > > > Thanks much for any information or advice!

> > > >

> > > > Kel

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

August 27, 2010

Hello,

If your temps are stable for at least 5 days (varying by no more than .2 degrees

F) then it is generally safe to raise and if you feel hypo and not experiencing

negative/intolerance symptoms, I would raise.

For iron, you need to be taking Solgar Gentle Iron or Bluebonnet. It's cheap at

www.iherb.com or a health food store may carry it. You need 6 to 8 a day to get

iron up. This kind of iron has GRAS standing (it's not toxic) and it doesn't

cause bowel issues for most people, so no worries, there!

Iodoral -- just do not take it while you're on the t3 protocol! It DOES

stimulate t4 production, that is the main reason we need iodine in the first

place. Your body needs iodine to make thyroid hormones and you're taking thyroid

homrones, so what would you need it for? I think the iodine thing is a fad.

Yeah, maybe our breasts need it, I don't know, but certainly not in the amount

in Iodoral. And yes, it does displace the toxic halogens in our environment, but

again, that's really an issue when the halogens are filling up the spots that

idoine should be going to so it can make thyroid hormones. But you're taking

thyroid hormone and thryoid hormone IS iodine so you're really taking all the

iodine you need. Understand?

I have seen NO compelling research as to why we need all that iodine. The places

that have very high iodine intake also have the highest rates of Hashi's in the

world. So if you have Hashi's, Iodine will

most likely flare it.

I've written this before, but iodine has been well researched for a long time

due to countries/areas having serious deficiency with serious problems, hence

government mandated iodization programs. So we DO know how much iodine the body

needs and it is NOT 12.5 or 50 mg! It is more like 150 mcg. Every government

knows that when they institute an iodization program, SOME peopel will go hyper.

And that is on the tiny amounts they put in the salt or oil or whatever they put

it into. So I really think taking these huge doses of iodine is ridiculous and

there is scientific reason to take it. The iodine proponents will tell you if

you feel bad from taking iodine, it is detox. Well, how interesting that detox

symptoms are the same exact symptoms of hypoT! Okay, enough of my rant...

I know in some parts of the country, the soil is depleted (like the Midwest). So

if you don't eat any processed foods and you're not eating regular salt (which I

hope you're not), than if you feel you must take iodine (which I don't think you

need), just stick to the tiny amount that's in most multis, like 100 to 150 mcg.

I seriously doubt that tiny amount will hurt you but would give you enough so

you're not deficient in case our bodies need iodine for anything other than

making thyroid hormones.

Also, for what it's worth, I use Redmond's Sea Salt, and that has 10% the RDA of

iodine in each 1/4 teaspoon, so I figure I get plenty of iodine between that and

whatever is in my food.

And finally, you can always get a lab done to check your iodine levels. I think

you can just get a serum blood value. That should dispell any worries you may

have if you are deficient. :-)

Kathleen

> > > > >

> > > > > I was hoping someone could help me out here...

> > > > > I just started taking cytomel this last Saturday for my RT3 issues. I

had an

> > > >iron panel done not too long ago, and I just did the saliva test, but

don't have

> > > >my results yet.

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm taking 25mcg of cytomel, half at 6:00 a.m. when I am just leaving

for

> > > >work, and the other half when I get home at 6:00 pm...in the middle of

the day

> > > >I'm taking my vitamins...biotin, iron, multi, stress B vitamin complex,

half an

> > > >iodoral, lysine, zinc, vit. C, l-carnatine, evening primrose, and that

really

> > > >stinging magnesium oil spray, BHR Biest and progesterone cremes, D3, and

B12. I

> > > >feel like I rattle when I walk.

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm supplementing iron, as Nick had said folks on here like to see

things at

> > > >35% saturation at least, and I'm below that....will post results here at

the end

> > > >of this missive...

> > > > > I see a lot of people on here supplementing with massive amounts of

iron and

> > > >I'm only taking 65mg per day a couple hours post-cytomel. Is this not

enough?

> > > >Before the cytomel, I never experienced the nasty tummy side effects of

the iron

> > > >I felt BRILLIANT on iron alone, sort of skippy-happy, but it didn't deal

with my

> > > >main issues around RT3. Now that I've started the cytomel, my tummy has

well,

> > > >ceased all action so to speak AND worse of worsts....the symptoms I

want to

> > > >avoid are back en masse especially......ergh....

> > > >

> > > > > Hair loss!!! ----- weight gain, really sad and weepy, and waking up at

2-3

> > > >a.m. every night unable to get to bed...a huge drag since I teach high

school 2

> > > >hours from my house and have to be up and at em by four or five a.m. at

the

> > > >least. Hair loss has been THE worst...vanity I know, but I'm not vain

about

> > > >much else in my life, and my hair was my one thing I felt good about.

I've

> > > >lost half since on the journey...and put on 40 pounds in about two months

two

> > > >years ago without ever being able to take it off in spite of all the

working

> > > >out. Blah!

> > > > >

> > > > > I've got the painful foot, and the trigger finger, and the hair loss,

and the

> > > >oh, man the list is endless. but everyone on here knows this already....

> > > > > oh, lord, I'm rambling, coz I'm freaked out....

> > > > >

> > > > > So, started the cytomel...and within one day: Massive hair shed.

Just a

> > > >heck of a lot coming out in my hands. And still waking up middle of the

> > > >night/early moring WIDE awake...and dang it, put on a pound with actually

eating

> > > >LESS in all the heat we are having. My heart rate seems fine, (I monitor

my BP

> > > >daily as it's been so HIGH since this all began) and I'm pretty relaxed

all day

> > > >'till now, around 8 pm. when I need to hit the sheets...my heart and

brain start

> > > >to race. Ugh.

> > > > >

> > > > > Is it normal to lose hair again on cytomel? Am I not taking enough?

Or too

> > > >much too soon? Will it continue? Crank up iron? My doc. won't

prescribe

> > > >cortisol for me, if in fact it turns out I need it, 'though she's really

good

> > > >about everything else. I'm so flipped out about the hair loss,

especially all

> > > >the new lovely ones I'd managed to grow in since starting BHR a few

months

> > > >back.....

> > > > >

> > > > > Val had mentioned I might treat my reverse t3 issue with iron and

> > > >cytomel...I'm just pretty much a-trippin' that I'll end up bald, and

nuttier

> > > >than I already am owing to vast quantities of sleep deprivation. Anyone

know

> > > >the feeling? Any advice to this wandering stranger?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for reading my post...I know it's long.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lab tests

> > > > >

> > > > > TOTAL IRON BINDING CAPACITY 345 228-428 ug/dL

> > > > > IRON 85 35-160 ug/dL

> > > > > TOTAL IRON BINDING CAPACITY, UNSATURATED 260 92-365 ug/dL

> > > > > TRANSFERRIN % SATURATION 25 15-55 %

> > > > >

> > > > > thyroid peroxidase antibodies < 10 range <35IU/ml

> > > > >

> > > > > thyroglobulin antibodies <20 " <20 IU/ml

> > > > >

> > > > > TSH 1.48 range .40-4.5 mIU/L

> > > > >

> > > > > T4 Free, 1.19 range .8-1.8 nd/dl

> > > > >

> > > > > T3 79 range 76-181 ng/dl

> > > > >

> > > > > estradiol 96

> > > > >

> > > > > free T3 2.4 range 2.0-4.4 pg/ml

> > > > > reverse T3 296 range 90-350 pg/ml

> > > > >

> > > > > I just have no idea what to expect and the massive hair shed realllly

has me

> > > >worried. I'd so like to hang on to what I have. Single chicks in their

forties

> > > >NEED their hair! :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks much for any information or advice!

> > > > >

> > > > > Kel

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

August 27, 2010

Kathleen

Thank you, man, FANTASTIC information there from you. And no, I don't use

table salt. I'm hooked on sea salt. Prefer the complexity of tastes in it so

much. I'm a pretty big health freak....grow all my own veggies...over 40

varieties of heirloom tomatoes to start! If they'd EVER turn red!

So...today, I cut out the iodine. I will stick to the T3 protocol and see how

that goes, and intend to tomorrow add another 1/4 pill of the cytomel. So, if

I'm hearing you, I ought to crank it up when temps are stable? Mine have been

running at 95 degrees or so, with a high of 96.2...so......

Sadly, today for some reason my hair loss really cranked up. Even my scalp at

the part is sore as all get out like I bumped the top of my head on something.

I was reading some of Sage's posts about estrogen, and her belief that she was

LOW estrogen after a talk with Val. In January last year, I had cystic

hyperplasia diagnosed after a period that lasted over 40 days (yes, this was a

lot of fun, and a lot of scariness when my obgyn mentioned the cancer

word....ughh....) and she'd said it was low progesterone, but I've always gotten

menstrual migraines when the estrogen dropped pre-periods. So...NOW I'm

wondering if I have LOW estrogen instead of estrogen dominance like the doc.

said, and that whenever I stop my BiEst creme (as of three days ago) and start

the progesterone creme, I get MORE hair fall out, and the RT3 issues just

aggravate the whole deal.

Does anyone else ever have this sort of thing?

Thanks so much again.....I will get that iron, for sure. I canno' handle the

side effects any longer. Yuck.

Kel

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was hoping someone could help me out here...

> > > > > > I just started taking cytomel this last Saturday for my RT3 issues.

I had an

> > > > >iron panel done not too long ago, and I just did the saliva test, but

don't have

> > > > >my results yet.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm taking 25mcg of cytomel, half at 6:00 a.m. when I am just

leaving for

> > > > >work, and the other half when I get home at 6:00 pm...in the middle of

the day

> > > > >I'm taking my vitamins...biotin, iron, multi, stress B vitamin complex,

half an

> > > > >iodoral, lysine, zinc, vit. C, l-carnatine, evening primrose, and that

really

> > > > >stinging magnesium oil spray, BHR Biest and progesterone cremes, D3,

and B12. I

> > > > >feel like I rattle when I walk.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm supplementing iron, as Nick had said folks on here like to see

things at

> > > > >35% saturation at least, and I'm below that....will post results here

at the end

> > > > >of this missive...

> > > > > > I see a lot of people on here supplementing with massive amounts of

iron and

> > > > >I'm only taking 65mg per day a couple hours post-cytomel. Is this not

enough?

> > > > >Before the cytomel, I never experienced the nasty tummy side effects of

the iron

> > > > >I felt BRILLIANT on iron alone, sort of skippy-happy, but it didn't

deal with my

> > > > >main issues around RT3. Now that I've started the cytomel, my tummy

has well,

> > > > >ceased all action so to speak AND worse of worsts....the symptoms I

want to

> > > > >avoid are back en masse especially......ergh....

> > > > >

> > > > > > Hair loss!!! ----- weight gain, really sad and weepy, and waking up

at 2-3

> > > > >a.m. every night unable to get to bed...a huge drag since I teach high

school 2

> > > > >hours from my house and have to be up and at em by four or five a.m. at

the

> > > > >least. Hair loss has been THE worst...vanity I know, but I'm not vain

about

> > > > >much else in my life, and my hair was my one thing I felt good about.

I've

> > > > >lost half since on the journey...and put on 40 pounds in about two

months two

> > > > >years ago without ever being able to take it off in spite of all the

working

> > > > >out. Blah!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I've got the painful foot, and the trigger finger, and the hair

loss, and the

> > > > >oh, man the list is endless. but everyone on here knows this

already....

> > > > > > oh, lord, I'm rambling, coz I'm freaked out....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, started the cytomel...and within one day: Massive hair shed.

Just a

> > > > >heck of a lot coming out in my hands. And still waking up middle of

the

> > > > >night/early moring WIDE awake...and dang it, put on a pound with

actually eating

> > > > >LESS in all the heat we are having. My heart rate seems fine, (I

monitor my BP

> > > > >daily as it's been so HIGH since this all began) and I'm pretty relaxed

all day

> > > > >'till now, around 8 pm. when I need to hit the sheets...my heart and

brain start

> > > > >to race. Ugh.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is it normal to lose hair again on cytomel? Am I not taking enough?

Or too

> > > > >much too soon? Will it continue? Crank up iron? My doc. won't

prescribe

> > > > >cortisol for me, if in fact it turns out I need it, 'though she's

really good

> > > > >about everything else. I'm so flipped out about the hair loss,

especially all

> > > > >the new lovely ones I'd managed to grow in since starting BHR a few

months

> > > > >back.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Val had mentioned I might treat my reverse t3 issue with iron and

> > > > >cytomel...I'm just pretty much a-trippin' that I'll end up bald, and

nuttier

> > > > >than I already am owing to vast quantities of sleep deprivation.

Anyone know

> > > > >the feeling? Any advice to this wandering stranger?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for reading my post...I know it's long.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lab tests

> > > > > >

> > > > > > TOTAL IRON BINDING CAPACITY 345 228-428 ug/dL

> > > > > > IRON 85 35-160 ug/dL

> > > > > > TOTAL IRON BINDING CAPACITY, UNSATURATED 260 92-365 ug/dL

> > > > > > TRANSFERRIN % SATURATION 25 15-55 %

> > > > > >

> > > > > > thyroid peroxidase antibodies < 10 range <35IU/ml

> > > > > >

> > > > > > thyroglobulin antibodies <20 " <20 IU/ml

> > > > > >

> > > > > > TSH 1.48 range .40-4.5 mIU/L

> > > > > >

> > > > > > T4 Free, 1.19 range .8-1.8 nd/dl

> > > > > >

> > > > > > T3 79 range 76-181 ng/dl

> > > > > >

> > > > > > estradiol 96

> > > > > >

> > > > > > free T3 2.4 range 2.0-4.4 pg/ml

> > > > > > reverse T3 296 range 90-350 pg/ml

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I just have no idea what to expect and the massive hair shed

realllly has me

> > > > >worried. I'd so like to hang on to what I have. Single chicks in

their forties

> > > > >NEED their hair! :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks much for any information or advice!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kel

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

August 27, 2010