Re: Lethal Lee - question about iron numbers / T3 increases

August 17, 2010

Jumping in here...you went from 22mcg T3/day to 45mcg T3/day in only a few days?

That is MUCH faster an increase than I would do.

I followed Moderator's Nick's dosing page, which says:

" 6.25 every 3 to 5 days "

(And I had to go even slower than that at times.)

Here's the link:

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

Information on deciding whether or not it is time for a T3 dose increase on

Nick's web page:

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/doineed.htm

Anxiety can be caused by T3 intolerance due to low iron. I had very bad anxiety

from trying to raise T3 while my iron was too low. I was not able to increase

my T3 until I got my iron up. Ferritin should be 70-90 PLUS % saturation 35-45.

I am not up to speed on your specific iron history, but sometimes people with

low iron need to raise it slower than others. Here's a link to one of Moderator

Val's posts about this:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/48444

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > There is nothing in those Labs that say you can't absorb more Iron.

> > If TIBC, UIBC,Transferrin are deficient/low in range OR if Saturation is

high then you have issues.

> >

> > Of course for these to be accurate you MUST follow correct testing protocols

as follows....

> >

> > Iron Panel & Ferritin

> > a) test early am fasting

> > NO meds or supps until AFTER blood taken (except HC if needed)

> > c) NO Iron supps for minimum 5 days (some sources say 7 days)

> > d) some sources also say NO Vit C supps for minimum 5 days (some say 7 days

even better) as well

> > e) some sources also say no B12 supps for 5-7 days as well

> > f) NO high Iron foods or drinks for at least 3 days (5 days is even better)

> >

> > If able is good to also test CBC with differential & ESR at same time.

> >

> > Of course the tests you had in April (~4 months ago) don't tell you if you

are able to safely absorb Iron NOW.

> >

> > By SAFELY I mean you have sufficient Transferrin available to safely BIND

Iron (that is what Ferritin is). It is FREE or unbound Iron that is dangerous.

Causes free radicals, feeds infections, feeds Candida, fuels Cancer & can

deposit into organs, glands & bones.

> >

> > Lethal Lee

> >

>

August 17, 2010

Hey Margery,

here are my recent iron labs:

Iron Binding Capacity (TBIC) 280 ug/ dL range: 250 - 450

UIBC 187 ug/ dL range: 150 - 375

Iron, Serum 93 ug/ dL range: 35 - 155

Iron Saturation 33 % range: 15 - 55

ferritin 15

>

> Jumping in here...you went from 22mcg T3/day to 45mcg T3/day in only a few

days? That is MUCH faster an increase than I would do.

Yeah, I did.. somehow i'm doing ok on it. but my question is that is there a

problem doing it if you can " handle " any anxiety that comes with it???

>

> I followed Moderator's Nick's dosing page, which says:

> " 6.25 every 3 to 5 days "

> (And I had to go even slower than that at times.)

>

Thanks, I've read this a million times, and I initally started out doing it this

way. Then I found I couldn't tolerate more than 4 or 5 doses of 6.25 (once I

started going up to the 12.5 dose I could handle the first one, but when I

added the 2nd one I posted about the loud pounding heartbeat etc. here, and

learned that meant I couldn't tolerate more) so I went back down to stay at the

6.25 4x a day, and then per val (because we didn't know what my adrenals looked

like) went down to 6.25 mg 2x a day, then I added a 3rd dose of 6.25, was fine,

and waited to get some tests done. I got the iron , ferritin and cortisol labs

back,and I don't know why really, but I just tried again. Is it ok to do that?

What would make it not ok to do it?

>

> Information on deciding whether or not it is time for a T3 dose increase on

Nick's web page:

> http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/doineed.htm

I've read this too a bunch of times, but I'm still sort of lost, I guess. Or

rather new things keep popping up to deal with!

>

> Anxiety can be caused by T3 intolerance due to low iron. I had very bad

anxiety from trying to raise T3 while my iron was too low. I was not able to

increase my T3 until I got my iron up.

Can you increase t3 if you can handle the anxiety I guess is my question that

I'm lost about ??

Ferritin should be 70-90 PLUS % saturation 35-45.

>

> I am not up to speed on your specific iron history, but sometimes people with

low iron need to raise it slower than others. Here's a link to one of Moderator

Val's posts about this:

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/48444

This was great, thanks

>

August 18, 2010

Hi ,

I agree with what Marg has written. Probably too much a hike in T3 especially

with underlying deficiencies. Any time you cut dosing of T3 you need to back to

adding T3 gradually every 3-5 days or so. I also think you need to do more

frequent dosing 5 times a day would be better than 3 times a day.

As far as Iron goes you have low in range TIBC & UIBC. This means you must also

go slow for Iron supps. Val mentioned 50mg elemental in the linked post to

another person with low/deficient UIBC/TIBC.

When you say 85mg & 170mg Hemaplex how much actual ELEMENTAL Iron is in those

doses?

Ok I looked this product up. Is this the one?

http://www.naturesplus.com/products/productDetail.asp?criteria=search&searchVar=\

3772&productnumber=3772&category=20

Can't say I like it very much.

-has Green Tea in it (high Fluoride)

-contains Soy

-B Vits are ALL inactive

Can't work out how much elemental Iron in it either from the info there. Is

there a reason you chose this one? The Bluebonnet product is the one used &

recommended by many here. I would suggest 1-2 tabs at most

http://www.iherb.com/Bluebonnet-Nutrition-Chelated-Iron-90-Vcaps/11571?at=0

You really need to get on a good active B Multi & a B12 sublingual.

I recommend these

Start with 1/2 sublibgaul tab (do it bucally in cheek, the longer it takes to

dissolve the more you absorb)

http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Methyl-B-12-5000-mcg-60-Lozenges/117?at=0

1-2 caps daily

http://www.iherb.com/Thorne-Research-Basic-B-Complex-60-Veggie-Caps/18791?at=0

Be careful with too much Vit C. It lowers B12.

Lethal Lee

Hi Lee,

I'm reading this and just not understanding... I'm taking 85 mg hemaplex iron

right now, with 2000 mg ester c. I just started on 170 mg hemaplex last night.

Does this mean with my iron labs I cannot take this? How do I deal with having

low iron then???

That twitching thing I was posting with you about has gotten just awful by the

way. It's now spread to my whole body It feels like mini seizures, I can't

explain it. plus my arms hurt really bad and i have terrible anxiety.

can this be caused by going up on t3 too much too fast? I went from taking about

20 - 25 mcg total in a day, to a few days ago up to about 45 mcg a day. (12.5

3x a day, then last dose about 8 mcg)

I'm losing it over here

thanks for all the help.

oh ps- i'm getting that magnesium oil today thank you.

>

> Hey Margery,

>

> here are my recent iron labs:

>

> Iron Binding Capacity (TBIC) 280 ug/ dL range: 250 - 450

>

> UIBC 187 ug/ dL range: 150 - 375

>

> Iron, Serum 93 ug/ dL range: 35 - 155

>

> Iron Saturation 33 % range: 15 - 55

>

> ferritin 15

>

> >

> > Jumping in here...you went from 22mcg T3/day to 45mcg T3/day in only a few

days? That is MUCH faster an increase than I would do.

>

> Yeah, I did.. somehow i'm doing ok on it. but my question is that is there a

problem doing it if you can " handle " any anxiety that comes with it???

>

> >

> > I followed Moderator's Nick's dosing page, which says:

> > " 6.25 every 3 to 5 days "

> > (And I had to go even slower than that at times.)

> >

> Thanks, I've read this a million times, and I initally started out doing it

this way. Then I found I couldn't tolerate more than 4 or 5 doses of 6.25 (once

I started going up to the 12.5 dose I could handle the first one, but when I

added the 2nd one I posted about the loud pounding heartbeat etc. here, and

learned that meant I couldn't tolerate more) so I went back down to stay at the

6.25 4x a day, and then per val (because we didn't know what my adrenals looked

like) went down to 6.25 mg 2x a day, then I added a 3rd dose of 6.25, was fine,

and waited to get some tests done. I got the iron , ferritin and cortisol labs

back,and I don't know why really, but I just tried again. Is it ok to do that?

What would make it not ok to do it?

> >

> > Information on deciding whether or not it is time for a T3 dose increase on

Nick's web page:

> > http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/doineed.htm

>

> I've read this too a bunch of times, but I'm still sort of lost, I guess. Or

rather new things keep popping up to deal with!

> >

> > Anxiety can be caused by T3 intolerance due to low iron. I had very bad

anxiety from trying to raise T3 while my iron was too low. I was not able to

increase my T3 until I got my iron up.

>

> Can you increase t3 if you can handle the anxiety I guess is my question that

I'm lost about ??

>

> Ferritin should be 70-90 PLUS % saturation 35-45.

> >

> > I am not up to speed on your specific iron history, but sometimes people

with low iron need to raise it slower than others. Here's a link to one of

Moderator Val's posts about this:

> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/48444

>

> This was great, thanks

> >

>

August 18, 2010

Hi Lee!

I'm taking this vitamin b right now:

http://www.iherb.com/Solaray-B-Complex-100-100-Veggie-Caps/18966?at=0

> When you say 85mg & 170mg Hemaplex how much actual ELEMENTAL Iron is in those

doses?

>

> Ok I looked this product up. Is this the one?

>

http://www.naturesplus.com/products/productDetail.asp?criteria=search&searchVar=\

3772&productnumber=3772&category=20

yes, this is the one.. there were a bunch of people either here or on adrenals

group that took this and liked it ... can i take it for another month or so

(until it runs out) and THEN get the bluebonnet???

Any time you cut dosing of T3 you need to back to adding T3 gradually every 3-5

days or so. I also think you need to do more frequent dosing 5 times a day would

be better than 3 times a day.

i am taking 4 times a day right now, but can definitely change it to 5... can i

stay at the 45 mcg a day that I'm at right now since I'm already at it?? then

wait a while to go up again?

I've also got a week or two worth of this b12

http://www.nowfoods.com/Products/ProductsAlphabetically/M076371.htm

is that good until i run out then i get the sublingual one you suggested?

thank you again so much for working with me on this.... i (fingers crossed,

we'll see....) may be getting health insurance and then I'll be able to get all

my labs done in the beginning of sept!!! I'll find out soon. that would be

amazing!

you are a blessing and a godsend

xo

>

> Hi ,

>

> I agree with what Marg has written. Probably too much a hike in T3 especially

with underlying deficiencies.

>

> As far as Iron goes you have low in range TIBC & UIBC. This means you must

also go slow for Iron supps. Val mentioned 50mg elemental in the linked post to

another person with low/deficient UIBC/TIBC.

>

> Can't say I like it very much.

> -has Green Tea in it (high Fluoride)

> -contains Soy

> -B Vits are ALL inactive

>

> Can't work out how much elemental Iron in it either from the info there. Is

there a reason you chose this one? The Bluebonnet product is the one used &

recommended by many here. I would suggest 1-2 tabs at most

> http://www.iherb.com/Bluebonnet-Nutrition-Chelated-Iron-90-Vcaps/11571?at=0

>

> You really need to get on a good active B Multi & a B12 sublingual.

> I recommend these

>

> Start with 1/2 sublibgaul tab (do it bucally in cheek, the longer it takes to

dissolve the more you absorb)

> http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Methyl-B-12-5000-mcg-60-Lozenges/117?at=0

>

> 1-2 caps daily

> http://www.iherb.com/Thorne-Research-Basic-B-Complex-60-Veggie-Caps/18791?at=0

>

> Be careful with too much Vit C. It lowers B12.

>

> Lethal Lee

>

August 18, 2010

Hi ,

The B100 you are currently on is not a good one unfortunately.

All the B's are inactive forms.

By all means if money is tight use what you have but replace with the better

products when you run out. That's exactly what I did over the years as I

researched & learnt more. Just so you know the products I recommended aren't the

only good ones out there. However I have used them for years & can highly

recommend them. Plus ordering from iHerb is easy, their prices are excellent &

they are reliable.

" I am taking 4 times a day right now, but can definitely change it to 5... can i

stay at the 45 mcg a day that I'm at right now since I'm already at it?? then

wait a while to go up again? "

I would change to 5 it will be less stress on the Adrenals.

As far as whether to stay on the higher amount..that is up to you.

Go by symptoms keep taking Basal & average temps, HR & BP.

I suggested you go down because you were feeling some symptoms?

Lethal Lee

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > I agree with what Marg has written. Probably too much a hike in T3

especially with underlying deficiencies.

> >

> > As far as Iron goes you have low in range TIBC & UIBC. This means you must

also go slow for Iron supps. Val mentioned 50mg elemental in the linked post to

another person with low/deficient UIBC/TIBC.

> >

> > Can't say I like it very much.

> > -has Green Tea in it (high Fluoride)

> > -contains Soy

> > -B Vits are ALL inactive

> >

> > Can't work out how much elemental Iron in it either from the info there. Is

there a reason you chose this one? The Bluebonnet product is the one used &

recommended by many here. I would suggest 1-2 tabs at most

> > http://www.iherb.com/Bluebonnet-Nutrition-Chelated-Iron-90-Vcaps/11571?at=0

> >

> > You really need to get on a good active B Multi & a B12 sublingual.

> > I recommend these

> >

> > Start with 1/2 sublibgaul tab (do it bucally in cheek, the longer it takes

to dissolve the more you absorb)

> >

http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Methyl-B-12-5000-mcg-60-Lozenges/117?at=0

> >

> > 1-2 caps daily

> >

http://www.iherb.com/Thorne-Research-Basic-B-Complex-60-Veggie-Caps/18791?at=0

> >

> > Be careful with too much Vit C. It lowers B12.

> >

> > Lethal Lee

August 18, 2010

Hi Lee,

The B100 you are currently on is not a good one unfortunately.

> All the B's are inactive forms.

Oh boy.

By all means if money is tight use what you have but replace with the better

products when you run out.

Yes, ... but with the inactive b100 doesn't that mean it's not even doing

anything?!

That's exactly what I did over the years as I researched & learnt more.

Well, yes, that's what I realize I'm doing, so my motto (after I get over

feeling " whammied " each time I get something bad news, not the best product,

etc...) is " well, now I know for the future and won't have to do this again "

so there's the positive there.

Just so you know the products I recommended aren't the only good ones out there.

I know

However I have used them for years & can highly recommend them.

Which is exactly why I feel so lucky to have found this group!!

Plus ordering from iHerb is easy, their prices are excellent & they are

reliable.

I noticed nearly everyone who replies to me on here and adrenals uses iherb...

is this because it's just the best/ easiest website? what about swanson? i used

a different website last time because i got free shipping and good prices. i

thought solaray was a good company

what about solgar??

i am taking this from them:

http://www.houseofnutrition.com/033984017115.html?ovchn=FRO&ovcpn=Froogle&ovcrn=\

Solgar+Magnesium+Citrate+120Tabs&ovtac=CMP

it's great to be able to learn all this for the future... thank you AGAIN

Lee!!!

ps- as far as the hemaplex goes, what would you suggest? is it ok to take it one

a day for now (85 mg) ? I have about 80 of them left...

I take this also:

Theanine Serene

http://www.sourcenaturals.com/products/GP1783/

What do you think of that?

x0

>

> Hi ,

>

> " I am taking 4 times a day right now, but can definitely change it to 5... can

i stay at the 45 mcg a day that I'm at right now since I'm already at it?? then

wait a while to go up again? "

> I would change to 5 it will be less stress on the Adrenals.

> As far as whether to stay on the higher amount..that is up to you.

> Go by symptoms keep taking Basal & average temps, HR & BP.

> I suggested you go down because you were feeling some symptoms?

>

> Lethal Lee

>

August 18, 2010

How much Vit C can one take safely? I am taking 4-5000 mg daily. Worried about low copper cause I know C lowers it. Now I worry about B12 as well!Sendt fra min iPhoneDen 18. aug. 2010 kl. 19.04 skrev "pricklefoot3" :

Hi ,

The B100 you are currently on is not a good one unfortunately.

All the B's are inactive forms.

By all means if money is tight use what you have but replace with the better products when you run out. That's exactly what I did over the years as I researched & learnt more. Just so you know the products I recommended aren't the only good ones out there. However I have used them for years & can highly recommend them. Plus ordering from iHerb is easy, their prices are excellent & they are reliable.

"I am taking 4 times a day right now, but can definitely change it to 5... can i stay at the 45 mcg a day that I'm at right now since I'm already at it?? then wait a while to go up again?"

I would change to 5 it will be less stress on the Adrenals.

As far as whether to stay on the higher amount..that is up to you.

Go by symptoms keep taking Basal & average temps, HR & BP.

I suggested you go down because you were feeling some symptoms?

Lethal Lee

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > I agree with what Marg has written. Probably too much a hike in T3 especially with underlying deficiencies.

> >

> > As far as Iron goes you have low in range TIBC & UIBC. This means you must also go slow for Iron supps. Val mentioned 50mg elemental in the linked post to another person with low/deficient UIBC/TIBC.

> >

> > Can't say I like it very much.

> > -has Green Tea in it (high Fluoride)

> > -contains Soy

> > -B Vits are ALL inactive

> >

> > Can't work out how much elemental Iron in it either from the info there. Is there a reason you chose this one? The Bluebonnet product is the one used & recommended by many here. I would suggest 1-2 tabs at most

> > http://www.iherb.com/Bluebonnet-Nutrition-Chelated-Iron-90-Vcaps/11571?at=0

> >

> > You really need to get on a good active B Multi & a B12 sublingual.

> > I recommend these

> >

> > Start with 1/2 sublibgaul tab (do it bucally in cheek, the longer it takes to dissolve the more you absorb)

> > http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Methyl-B-12-5000-mcg-60-Lozenges/117?at=0

> >

> > 1-2 caps daily

> > http://www.iherb.com/Thorne-Research-Basic-B-Complex-60-Veggie-Caps/18791?at=0

> >

> > Be careful with too much Vit C. It lowers B12.

> >

> > Lethal Lee

August 18, 2010

lEE and margery, I just realized I have only been taking about 30 mg of iron,

sometimes about 55 mg or 60! I read the bottle wrong, I didn't read that 3

PILLS = 85 MG of elemental iron (is what the bottle says Lee)

I don'tknow if this makes a difference in anything, but just wanted to clarify

re:

As far as Iron goes you have low in range TIBC & UIBC. This means you must also

go slow for Iron supps. Val mentioned 50mg elemental in the linked post to

another person with low/deficient UIBC/TIBC.

>

> When you say 85mg & 170mg Hemaplex how much actual ELEMENTAL Iron is in those

doses?

Ok I looked this product up. Is this the one?

>

http://www.naturesplus.com/products/productDetail.asp?criteria=search&searchVar=\

3772&productnumber=3772&category=20

yes, this one the hema plex

thanks

lisa

> >

> > Hey Margery,

> >

> > here are my recent iron labs:

> >

> > Iron Binding Capacity (TBIC) 280 ug/ dL range: 250 - 450

> >

> > UIBC 187 ug/ dL range: 150 - 375

> >

> > Iron, Serum 93 ug/ dL range: 35 - 155

> >

> > Iron Saturation 33 % range: 15 - 55

> >

> > ferritin 15

> >

> > >

> > > Jumping in here...you went from 22mcg T3/day to 45mcg T3/day in only a few

days? That is MUCH faster an increase than I would do.

> >

> > Yeah, I did.. somehow i'm doing ok on it. but my question is that is there

a problem doing it if you can " handle " any anxiety that comes with it???

> >

> > >

> > > I followed Moderator's Nick's dosing page, which says:

> > > " 6.25 every 3 to 5 days "

> > > (And I had to go even slower than that at times.)

> > >

> > Thanks, I've read this a million times, and I initally started out doing it