Guest guest Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 Jennefir: you said: " i am not taking levoxyl today..but you think it is the T3 pushing into the cells that is why i am having the issues? I suggest: perhaps your issues are from the levoxyl? isn't that t4 only? T4 only meds is probably what got you in trouble, but I could be wrong? I suspect you need to be on either natural thyroid or T3 only...others may chime in hopefully -- Re: Val/HC thanks nick... i am so distraught trying to figure this out since no doctor seems to care. also, i am losing hair and i think my spleen is starting to hurt? not sure......anyway, so today i took 10hc and i am really tired 3 hours later...i am not taking levoxyl today..but you think it is the T3 pushing into the cells that is why i am having the issues? I am on the adrenal group, but i can't post to it via my computer or something...so, when i had my free T3 3 weeks ago it was 210 and my T4 was 1.2......my last rt3 was 23. so it is possible to get stable on hc then add thyroid slowly? When i was taking the adrenal supplements with licorice root in them i felt better than i do now. It was actually letting some thyroid in. I can't use the levoxyl (125mg daily split twice a day) thyroid meds alone. > > >.I don't have a thyroid, but maybe if I came off my levoxyl and > >just did HC 20mg qd for three days to build up? Does this sound like it might > >work? I think it is the thyroid meds causing these symptoms.. I can't handle a > >higher dose than 30hc i don't think my heart can handle IT. > > If you are on thyroid meds and have low cortisol this can cause the T3 > to build up in your blood stream (pool) and then starting T3 can @open > the flood gates " and let it through. > > You need to lower the thyroid levels to a safe level in your blood > stream before starting HC. > > I am not going to put a number to how many days you need to stop for > as I don't know any of your lab results. > > This is nothing to do with " not being able to tolerate HC " , it's the > HC performing it's correct function and letting T3 into the cells, > unfortunately too much of it. > > You might benefit from joining the adrenal group and looking through > their FAQ site > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > Their FAQ Web site is here http://faqhelp.webs.com/ > > Nick > > -- > > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to > > www.thyroid-rt3.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 what you are feeling sounds liek ADRENAL pain and it common when tsaking not enough cortiosl . You have alot of symotms that oyu need MORE and more frequent dosing. http:www.nthadrenalsweb.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp.webs.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ http://artisticgrooming.net/ ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Rose To: NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS Sent: Sun, July 18, 2010 6:25:07 PM Subject: bump: Val/HC ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: jlrose448 To: RT3_T3 Sent: Sun, July 18, 2010 12:05:54 PM Subject: Re: Val/HC Â thanks nick... i am so distraught trying to figure this out since no doctor seems to care. also, i am losing hair and i think my spleen is starting to hurt? not sure......anyway, so today i took 10hc and i am really tired 3 hours later...i am not taking levoxyl today..but you think it is the T3 pushing into the cells that is why i am having the issues? I am on the adrenal group, but i can't post to it via my computer or something...so, when i had my free T3 3 weeks ago it was 210 and my T4 was 1.2......my last rt3 was 23. so it is possible to get stable on hc then add thyroid slowly? When i was taking the adrenal supplements with licorice root in them i felt better than i do now. It was actually letting some thyroid in. I can't use the levoxyl (125mg daily split twice a day) thyroid meds alone. > > >.I don't have a thyroid, but maybe if I came off my levoxyl and > >just did HC 20mg qd for three days to build up? Does this sound like it might > >work? I think it is the thyroid meds causing these symptoms.. I can't handle a > >higher dose than 30hc i don't think my heart can handle IT. > > If you are on thyroid meds and have low cortisol this can cause the T3 > to build up in your blood stream (pool) and then starting T3 can @open > the flood gates" and let it through. > > You need to lower the thyroid levels to a safe level in your blood > stream before starting HC. > > I am not going to put a number to how many days you need to stop for > as I don't know any of your lab results. > > This is nothing to do with "not being able to tolerate HC", it's the > HC performing it's correct function and letting T3 into the cells, > unfortunately too much of it. > > You might benefit from joining the adrenal group and looking through > their FAQ site > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > Their FAQ Web site is here http://faqhelp.webs.com/ > > Nick > > -- > > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to > > www.thyroid-rt3.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 ValI didn't take the levoxyl today and did way better...only the low back pain and some stomach pain when i needed the HC..otherwise i was way better than when i was taking both... Should I dose the HC for 20mg throughout the day? 30 is too high for me based on my heart. I don't know how to implement the levoxyl because i can't take both. I don't really know when i need more or less HC except the low back/stomach pain..So, if i stay on a regimen of HC and try to reimplement the levoxyl when do you think i should do that and at what dose? i take 125mg daily of the levoxyl. thanks.Any use of Betaine HCL? I think my low thyroid destroyed my intestines and i need hcl but i have no info on it...thanksTo: RT3_T3 Sent: Sun, July 18, 2010 7:47:33 PMSubject: Re: bump: Val/HC what you are feeling sounds liek ADRENAL pain and it common when tsaking not enough cortiosl . You have alot of symotms that oyu need MORE and more frequent dosing. http:www.nthadrenal sweb.com http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp. webs.com/ http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/ http://artisticgrooming.net/ ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Rose <jlrose448 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> To: NaturalThyroidHormo nesADRENALS@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sun, July 18, 2010 6:25:07 PM Subject: bump: Val/HC ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: jlrose448 <jlrose448 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> To: RT3_T3 (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Sun, July 18, 2010 12:05:54 PM Subject: Re: Val/HC thanks nick... i am so distraught trying to figure this out since no doctor seems to care. also, i am losing hair and i think my spleen is starting to hurt? not sure......anyway, so today i took 10hc and i am really tired 3 hours later...i am not taking levoxyl today..but you think it is the T3 pushing into the cells that is why i am having the issues? I am on the adrenal group, but i can't post to it via my computer or something... so, when i had my free T3 3 weeks ago it was 210 and my T4 was 1.2......my last rt3 was 23. so it is possible to get stable on hc then add thyroid slowly? When i was taking the adrenal supplements with licorice root in them i felt better than i do now. It was actually letting some thyroid in. I can't use the levoxyl (125mg daily split twice a day) thyroid meds alone. > > >.I don't have a thyroid, but maybe if I came off my levoxyl and > >just did HC 20mg qd for three days to build up? Does this sound like it might > >work? I think it is the thyroid meds causing these symptoms.. I can't handle a > >higher dose than 30hc i don't think my heart can handle IT. > > If you are on thyroid meds and have low cortisol this can cause the T3 > to build up in your blood stream (pool) and then starting T3 can @open > the flood gates" and let it through. > > You need to lower the thyroid levels to a safe level in your blood > stream before starting HC. > > I am not going to put a number to how many days you need to stop for > as I don't know any of your lab results. > > This is nothing to do with "not being able to tolerate HC", it's the > HC performing it's correct function and letting T3 into the cells, > unfortunately too much of it. > > You might benefit from joining the adrenal group and looking through > their FAQ site > > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/ > > Their FAQ Web site is here http://faqhelp. webs.com/ > > Nick > > -- > > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to > > www.thyroid- rt3.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 the t3 only is too much for me right now....too many hyper symptoms on even 2.5mg of it...thanks for your thoughts.To: RT3_T3 Sent: Sun, July 18, 2010 6:58:06 PMSubject: RE: bump: Val/HC Jennefir: you said: "i am not taking levoxyl today..but you think it is the T3 pushing into the cells that is why i am having the issues? I suggest: perhaps your issues are from the levoxyl? isn't that t4 only? T4 only meds is probably what got you in trouble, but I could be wrong? I suspect you need to be on either natural thyroid or T3 only...others may chime in hopefully -- Re: Val/HC thanks nick... i am so distraught trying to figure this out since no doctor seems to care. also, i am losing hair and i think my spleen is starting to hurt? not sure......anyway, so today i took 10hc and i am really tired 3 hours later...i am not taking levoxyl today..but you think it is the T3 pushing into the cells that is why i am having the issues? I am on the adrenal group, but i can't post to it via my computer or something...so, when i had my free T3 3 weeks ago it was 210 and my T4 was 1.2......my last rt3 was 23. so it is possible to get stable on hc then add thyroid slowly? When i was taking the adrenal supplements with licorice root in them i felt better than i do now. It was actually letting some thyroid in. I can't use the levoxyl (125mg daily split twice a day) thyroid meds alone. > > >.I don't have a thyroid, but maybe if I came off my levoxyl and > >just did HC 20mg qd for three days to build up? Does this sound like it might > >work? I think it is the thyroid meds causing these symptoms.. I can't handle a > >higher dose than 30hc i don't think my heart can handle IT. > > If you are on thyroid meds and have low cortisol this can cause the T3 > to build up in your blood stream (pool) and then starting T3 can @open > the flood gates" and let it through. > > You need to lower the thyroid levels to a safe level in your blood > stream before starting HC. > > I am not going to put a number to how many days you need to stop for > as I don't know any of your lab results. > > This is nothing to do with "not being able to tolerate HC", it's the > HC performing it's correct function and letting T3 into the cells, > unfortunately too much of it. > > You might benefit from joining the adrenal group and looking through > their FAQ site > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > Their FAQ Web site is here http://faqhelp.webs.com/ > > Nick > > -- > > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to > > www.thyroid-rt3.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 Aren't you the one thta has no thyroid? With no thyri dyou must taqke some, bnut maybe I am thinkign of someone else. I talk to too many people. http:www.nthadrenalsweb.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp.webs.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ http://artisticgrooming.net/ Val I didn't take the levoxyl today and did way better...only the low back pain and some stomach pain when i needed the HC..otherwise i was way better than when i was taking both...  Should I dose the HC for 20mg throughout the day? 30 is too high for me based on my heart.  I don't know how to implement the levoxyl because i can't take both. I don't really know when i need more or less HC except the low back/stomach pain.. So, if i stay on a regimen  of HC and try to reimplement the levoxyl when do you think i should do that and at what dose? i take 125mg daily of the levoxyl. thanks. Any use of Betaine HCL? I think my low thyroid destroyed my intestines and i need hcl but i have no info on it...thanks From: T To: RT3_T3 Sent: Sun, July 18, 2010 7:47:33 PM Subject: Re: bump: Val/HC  what you are feeling sounds liek ADRENAL pain and it common when tsaking not enough cortiosl . You have alot of symotms that oyu need MORE and more frequent dosing. http:www.nthadrenal sweb.com http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp. webs.com/ http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/ http://artisticgrooming.net/ ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Rose <jlrose448 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> To: NaturalThyroidHormo nesADRENALS@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sun, July 18, 2010 6:25:07 PM Subject: bump: Val/HC ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: jlrose448 <jlrose448 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> To: RT3_T3 (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Sun, July 18, 2010 12:05:54 PM Subject: Re: Val/HC  thanks nick... i am so distraught trying to figure this out since no doctor seems to care. also, i am losing hair and i think my spleen is starting to hurt? not sure......anyway, so today i took 10hc and i am really tired 3 hours later...i am not taking levoxyl today..but you think it is the T3 pushing into the cells that is why i am having the issues? I am on the adrenal group, but i can't post to it via my computer or something... so, when i had my free T3 3 weeks ago it was 210 and my T4 was 1.2......my last rt3 was 23. so it is possible to get stable on hc then add thyroid slowly? When i was taking the adrenal supplements with licorice root in them i felt better than i do now. It was actually letting some thyroid in. I can't use the levoxyl (125mg daily split twice a day) thyroid meds alone. > > >.I don't have a thyroid, but maybe if I came off my levoxyl and > >just did HC 20mg qd for three days to build up? Does this sound like it might > >work? I think it is the thyroid meds causing these symptoms.. I can't handle a > >higher dose than 30hc i don't think my heart can handle IT. > > If you are on thyroid meds and have low cortisol this can cause the T3 > to build up in your blood stream (pool) and then starting T3 can @open > the flood gates" and let it through. > > You need to lower the thyroid levels to a safe level in your blood > stream before starting HC. > > I am not going to put a number to how many days you need to stop for > as I don't know any of your lab results. > > This is nothing to do with "not being able to tolerate HC", it's the > HC performing it's correct function and letting T3 into the cells, > unfortunately too much of it. > > You might benefit from joining the adrenal group and looking through > their FAQ site > > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/ > > Their FAQ Web site is here http://faqhelp. webs.com/ > > Nick > > -- > > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to > > www.thyroid- rt3.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 Aren't you the one thta has no thyroid? With no thyri dyou must taqke some, bnut maybe I am thinkign of someone else. I talk to too many people. http:www.nthadrenalsweb.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp.webs.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ http://artisticgrooming.net/ Val I didn't take the levoxyl today and did way better...only the low back pain and some stomach pain when i needed the HC..otherwise i was way better than when i was taking both...  Should I dose the HC for 20mg throughout the day? 30 is too high for me based on my heart.  I don't know how to implement the levoxyl because i can't take both. I don't really know when i need more or less HC except the low back/stomach pain.. So, if i stay on a regimen  of HC and try to reimplement the levoxyl when do you think i should do that and at what dose? i take 125mg daily of the levoxyl. thanks. Any use of Betaine HCL? I think my low thyroid destroyed my intestines and i need hcl but i have no info on it...thanks From: T To: RT3_T3 Sent: Sun, July 18, 2010 7:47:33 PM Subject: Re: bump: Val/HC  what you are feeling sounds liek ADRENAL pain and it common when tsaking not enough cortiosl . You have alot of symotms that oyu need MORE and more frequent dosing. http:www.nthadrenal sweb.com http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp. webs.com/ http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/ http://artisticgrooming.net/ ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Rose <jlrose448 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> To: NaturalThyroidHormo nesADRENALS@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sun, July 18, 2010 6:25:07 PM Subject: bump: Val/HC ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: jlrose448 <jlrose448 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> To: RT3_T3 (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Sun, July 18, 2010 12:05:54 PM Subject: Re: Val/HC  thanks nick... i am so distraught trying to figure this out since no doctor seems to care. also, i am losing hair and i think my spleen is starting to hurt? not sure......anyway, so today i took 10hc and i am really tired 3 hours later...i am not taking levoxyl today..but you think it is the T3 pushing into the cells that is why i am having the issues? I am on the adrenal group, but i can't post to it via my computer or something... so, when i had my free T3 3 weeks ago it was 210 and my T4 was 1.2......my last rt3 was 23. so it is possible to get stable on hc then add thyroid slowly? When i was taking the adrenal supplements with licorice root in them i felt better than i do now. It was actually letting some thyroid in. I can't use the levoxyl (125mg daily split twice a day) thyroid meds alone. > > >.I don't have a thyroid, but maybe if I came off my levoxyl and > >just did HC 20mg qd for three days to build up? Does this sound like it might > >work? I think it is the thyroid meds causing these symptoms.. I can't handle a > >higher dose than 30hc i don't think my heart can handle IT. > > If you are on thyroid meds and have low cortisol this can cause the T3 > to build up in your blood stream (pool) and then starting T3 can @open > the flood gates" and let it through. > > You need to lower the thyroid levels to a safe level in your blood > stream before starting HC. > > I am not going to put a number to how many days you need to stop for > as I don't know any of your lab results. > > This is nothing to do with "not being able to tolerate HC", it's the > HC performing it's correct function and letting T3 into the cells, > unfortunately too much of it. > > You might benefit from joining the adrenal group and looking through > their FAQ site > > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/ > > Their FAQ Web site is here http://faqhelp. webs.com/ > > Nick > > -- > > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to > > www.thyroid- rt3.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 thats me...i don't have a thyroid... Not sure what to do... I haven't taken thyroid since saturday. I took 10HC this a.m. and it caused heart increase, neck and shoulder pain... I didn't have this reaction yesterday..I felt better yesterday when i took it...confused To: RT3_T3 Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 4:46:37 AMSubject: Re: bump: Val/HC Aren't you the one thta has no thyroid? With no thyri dyou must taqke some, bnut maybe I am thinkign of someone else. I talk to too many people. http:www.nthadrenal sweb.com http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp. webs.com/ http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/ http://artisticgrooming.net/ Val I didn't take the levoxyl today and did way better...only the low back pain and some stomach pain when i needed the HC..otherwise i was way better than when i was taking both... Should I dose the HC for 20mg throughout the day? 30 is too high for me based on my heart. I don't know how to implement the levoxyl because i can't take both. I don't really know when i need more or less HC except the low back/stomach pain.. So, if i stay on a regimen of HC and try to reimplement the levoxyl when do you think i should do that and at what dose? i take 125mg daily of the levoxyl. thanks. Any use of Betaine HCL? I think my low thyroid destroyed my intestines and i need hcl but i have no info on it...thanks From: T <artisticgroomer@ jfwebs.com>To: RT3_T3 (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Sun, July 18, 2010 7:47:33 PMSubject: Re: bump: Val/HC what you are feeling sounds liek ADRENAL pain and it common when tsaking not enough cortiosl . You have alot of symotms that oyu need MORE and more frequent dosing. http:www.nthadrenal sweb.com http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp. webs.com/ http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid- rt3.com/ http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/ http://artisticgroo ming.net/ ----- Forwarded Message ----From: Rose <jlrose448 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>To: NaturalThyroidHormo nesADRENALS@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sun, July 18, 2010 6:25:07 PMSubject: bump: Val/HC ----- Forwarded Message ----From: jlrose448 <jlrose448 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>To: RT3_T3 (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Sun, July 18, 2010 12:05:54 PMSubject: Re: Val/HC thanks nick... i am so distraught trying to figure this out since no doctor seems to care. also, i am losing hair and i think my spleen is starting to hurt? not sure......anyway, so today i took 10hc and i am really tired 3 hours later...i am not taking levoxyl today..but you think it is the T3 pushing into the cells that is why i am having the issues? I am on the adrenal group, but i can't post to it via my computer or something... so, when i had my free T3 3 weeks ago it was 210 and my T4 was 1.2......my last rt3 was 23. so it is possible to get stable on hc then add thyroid slowly?When i was taking the adrenal supplements with licorice root in them i felt better than i do now. It was actually letting some thyroid in. I can't use the levoxyl (125mg daily split twice a day) thyroid meds alone.> > >.I don't have a thyroid, but maybe if I came off my levoxyl and > >just did HC 20mg qd for three days to build up? Does this sound like it might > >work? I think it is the thyroid meds causing these symptoms.. I can't handle a > >higher dose than 30hc i don't think my heart can handle IT.> > If you are on thyroid meds and have low cortisol this can cause the T3> to build up in your blood stream (pool) and then starting T3 can @open> the flood gates" and let it through.> > You need to lower the thyroid levels to a safe level in your blood> stream before starting HC.> > I am not going to put a number to how many days you need to stop for> as I don't know any of your lab results.> > This is nothing to do with "not being able to tolerate HC", it's the> HC performing it's correct function and letting T3 into the cells,> unfortunately too much of it.> > You might benefit from joining the adrenal group and looking through> their FAQ site> > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/> > Their FAQ Web site is here http://faqhelp. webs.com/> > Nick> > -- > > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to > > www.thyroid- rt3.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 Have you got naturla thyroid or T3? If oyu do, try a SMALL dose wiht it, if Natural no more than 1/4 grain if T3 5-6.25mcg. Cortisol will use up what little thyroid you have so it can cause those pains by makign you a bit more hypo. You have ot have SOME thyroid in yuor system and as oyu do nto have a thyroid you are going to have ot take some, Though the T4 you have been takign will take a couple weeks to slowly dissipate, but you are guaranteed ot have worsening hypo symptoms unless oyu take some kind of thyroid med. http://www.nthadrenalsweb.org/ http://www.health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://www.faqhelp.webs.com/ http://www.health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ thats me...i don't have a thyroid... Not sure what to do... I haven't taken thyroid since saturday. I took 10HC this a.m. and it caused heart increase, neck and shoulder pain... I didn't have this reaction yesterday..I felt better yesterday when i took it...confused From: T To: RT3_T3 Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 4:46:37 AM Subject: Re: bump: Val/HC  Aren't you the one thta has no thyroid? With no thyri dyou must taqke some, bnut maybe I am thinkign of someone else. I talk to too many people. http:www.nthadrenal sweb.com http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp. webs.com/ http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/ http://artisticgrooming.net/ Val I didn't take the levoxyl today and did way better...only the low back pain and some stomach pain when i needed the HC..otherwise i was way better than when i was taking both...  Should I dose the HC for 20mg throughout the day? 30 is too high for me based on my heart.  I don't know how to implement the levoxyl because i can't take both. I don't really know when i need more or less HC except the low back/stomach pain.. So, if i stay on a regimen  of HC and try to reimplement the levoxyl when do you think i should do that and at what dose? i take 125mg daily of the levoxyl. thanks. Any use of Betaine HCL? I think my low thyroid destroyed my intestines and i need hcl but i have no info on it...thanks From: T <artisticgroomer@ jfwebs.com> To: RT3_T3 (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Sun, July 18, 2010 7:47:33 PM Subject: Re: bump: Val/HC  what you are feeling sounds liek ADRENAL pain and it common when tsaking not enough cortiosl . You have alot of symotms that oyu need MORE and more frequent dosing. http:www.nthadrenal sweb.com http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp. webs.com/ http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid- rt3.com/ http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/ http://artisticgroo ming.net/ ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Rose <jlrose448 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> To: NaturalThyroidHormo nesADRENALS@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sun, July 18, 2010 6:25:07 PM Subject: bump: Val/HC ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: jlrose448 <jlrose448 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> To: RT3_T3 (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Sun, July 18, 2010 12:05:54 PM Subject: Re: Val/HC  thanks nick... i am so distraught trying to figure this out since no doctor seems to care. also, i am losing hair and i think my spleen is starting to hurt? not sure......anyway, so today i took 10hc and i am really tired 3 hours later...i am not taking levoxyl today..but you think it is the T3 pushing into the cells that is why i am having the issues? I am on the adrenal group, but i can't post to it via my computer or something... so, when i had my free T3 3 weeks ago it was 210 and my T4 was 1.2......my last rt3 was 23. so it is possible to get stable on hc then add thyroid slowly? When i was taking the adrenal supplements with licorice root in them i felt better than i do now. It was actually letting some thyroid in. I can't use the levoxyl (125mg daily split twice a day) thyroid meds alone. > > >.I don't have a thyroid, but maybe if I came off my levoxyl and > >just did HC 20mg qd for three days to build up? Does this sound like it might > >work? I think it is the thyroid meds causing these symptoms.. I can't handle a > >higher dose than 30hc i don't think my heart can handle IT. > > If you are on thyroid meds and have low cortisol this can cause the T3 > to build up in your blood stream (pool) and then starting T3 can @open > the flood gates" and let it through. > > You need to lower the thyroid levels to a safe level in your blood > stream before starting HC. > > I am not going to put a number to how many days you need to stop for > as I don't know any of your lab results. > > This is nothing to do with "not being able to tolerate HC", it's the > HC performing it's correct function and letting T3 into the cells, > unfortunately too much of it. > > You might benefit from joining the adrenal group and looking through > their FAQ site > > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/ > > Their FAQ Web site is here http://faqhelp. webs.com/ > > Nick > > -- > > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to > > www.thyroid- rt3.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 thanks val...i truely appreciate your help. my docs don't return phone calls and i am getting really scared that I am not going to make it after 5 months of struggling to keep my body together. I know you understand. I have cytomel tablets. I will try a small dose and see what happens.. Why do you advise T3 vs. a lower dose of levoxyl? How should I dose 20 HC throughout the day? thanks To: RT3_T3 Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:18:34 AMSubject: Re: bump: Val/HC Have you got naturla thyroid or T3? If oyu do, try a SMALL dose wiht it, if Natural no more than 1/4 grain if T3 5-6.25mcg. Cortisol will use up what little thyroid you have so it can cause those pains by makign you a bit more hypo. You have ot have SOME thyroid in yuor system and as oyu do nto have a thyroid you are going to have ot take some, Though the T4 you have been takign will take a couple weeks to slowly dissipate, but you are guaranteed ot have worsening hypo symptoms unless oyu take some kind of thyroid med. http://www.nthadrenalsweb.org/ http://www.health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/ http://www.faqhelp. webs.com/ http://www.health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ thats me...i don't have a thyroid... Not sure what to do... I haven't taken thyroid since saturday. I took 10HC this a.m. and it caused heart increase, neck and shoulder pain... I didn't have this reaction yesterday..I felt better yesterday when i took it...confused From: T <artisticgroomer@ jfwebs.com>To: RT3_T3 (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Mon, July 19, 2010 4:46:37 AMSubject: Re: bump: Val/HC Aren't you the one thta has no thyroid? With no thyri dyou must taqke some, bnut maybe I am thinkign of someone else. I talk to too many people. http:www.nthadrenal sweb.com http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp. webs.com/ http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid- rt3.com/ http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/ http://artisticgrooming.net/ Val I didn't take the levoxyl today and did way better...only the low back pain and some stomach pain when i needed the HC..otherwise i was way better than when i was taking both... Should I dose the HC for 20mg throughout the day? 30 is too high for me based on my heart. I don't know how to implement the levoxyl because i can't take both. I don't really know when i need more or less HC except the low back/stomach pain.. So, if i stay on a regimen of HC and try to reimplement the levoxyl when do you think i should do that and at what dose? i take 125mg daily of the levoxyl. thanks. Any use of Betaine HCL? I think my low thyroid destroyed my intestines and i need hcl but i have no info on it...thanks From: T <artisticgroomer@ jfwebs.com>To: RT3_T3 (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Sun, July 18, 2010 7:47:33 PMSubject: Re: bump: Val/HC what you are feeling sounds liek ADRENAL pain and it common when tsaking not enough cortiosl . You have alot of symotms that oyu need MORE and more frequent dosing. http:www.nthadrenal sweb.com http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp. webs.com/ http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid- rt3.com/ http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/ http://artisticgroo ming.net/ ----- Forwarded Message ----From: Rose <jlrose448 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>To: NaturalThyroidHormo nesADRENALS@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sun, July 18, 2010 6:25:07 PMSubject: bump: Val/HC ----- Forwarded Message ----From: jlrose448 <jlrose448 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>To: RT3_T3 (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Sun, July 18, 2010 12:05:54 PMSubject: Re: Val/HC thanks nick... i am so distraught trying to figure this out since no doctor seems to care. also, i am losing hair and i think my spleen is starting to hurt? not sure......anyway, so today i took 10hc and i am really tired 3 hours later...i am not taking levoxyl today..but you think it is the T3 pushing into the cells that is why i am having the issues? I am on the adrenal group, but i can't post to it via my computer or something... so, when i had my free T3 3 weeks ago it was 210 and my T4 was 1.2......my last rt3 was 23. so it is possible to get stable on hc then add thyroid slowly?When i was taking the adrenal supplements with licorice root in them i felt better than i do now. It was actually letting some thyroid in. I can't use the levoxyl (125mg daily split twice a day) thyroid meds alone.> > >.I don't have a thyroid, but maybe if I came off my levoxyl and > >just did HC 20mg qd for three days to build up? Does this sound like it might > >work? I think it is the thyroid meds causing these symptoms.. I can't handle a > >higher dose than 30hc i don't think my heart can handle IT.> > If you are on thyroid meds and have low cortisol this can cause the T3> to build up in your blood stream (pool) and then starting T3 can @open> the flood gates" and let it through.> > You need to lower the thyroid levels to a safe level in your blood> stream before starting HC.> > I am not going to put a number to how many days you need to stop for> as I don't know any of your lab results.> > This is nothing to do with "not being able to tolerate HC", it's the> HC performing it's correct function and letting T3 into the cells,> unfortunately too much of it.> > You might benefit from joining the adrenal group and looking through> their FAQ site> > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/> > Their FAQ Web site is here http://faqhelp. webs.com/> > Nick> > -- > > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to > > www.thyroid- rt3.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 Because more Levo when oyu have very high RT3 may actually be causing toxicity symptoms. It onyl makes for MORE RT3 adn that can make you more hypo and oyu need T3 but i am just not sure you will be able totolerat e much of it yet. http://www.nthadrenalsweb.org/ http://www.health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://www.faqhelp.webs.com/ http://www.health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ thanks val...i truely appreciate your help. my docs don't return phone calls and i am getting really scared that I am not going to make it after 5 months of struggling to keep my body together. I know you understand. I have cytomel tablets. I will try a small dose and see what happens.. Why do you advise T3 vs. a lower dose of levoxyl? How should I dose 20 HC throughout the day? thanks From: T To: RT3_T3 Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:18:34 AM Subject: Re: bump: Val/HC  Have you got naturla thyroid or T3? If oyu do, try a SMALL dose wiht it, if Natural no more than 1/4 grain if T3 5-6.25mcg. Cortisol will use up what little thyroid you have so it can cause those pains by makign you a bit more hypo. You have ot have SOME thyroid in yuor system and as oyu do nto have a thyroid you are going to have ot take some, Though the T4 you have been takign will take a couple weeks to slowly dissipate, but you are guaranteed ot have worsening hypo symptoms unless oyu take some kind of thyroid med. http://www.nthadrenalsweb.org/ http://www.health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/ http://www.faqhelp. webs.com/ http://www.health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ thats me...i don't have a thyroid... Not sure what to do... I haven't taken thyroid since saturday. I took 10HC this a.m. and it caused heart increase, neck and shoulder pain... I didn't have this reaction yesterday..I felt better yesterday when i took it...confused From: T <artisticgroomer@ jfwebs.com> To: RT3_T3 (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 4:46:37 AM Subject: Re: bump: Val/HC  Aren't you the one thta has no thyroid? With no thyri dyou must taqke some, bnut maybe I am thinkign of someone else. I talk to too many people. http:www.nthadrenal sweb.com http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp. webs.com/ http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid- rt3.com/ http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/ http://artisticgrooming.net/ Val I didn't take the levoxyl today and did way better...only the low back pain and some stomach pain when i needed the HC..otherwise i was way better than when i was taking both...  Should I dose the HC for 20mg throughout the day? 30 is too high for me based on my heart.  I don't know how to implement the levoxyl because i can't take both. I don't really know when i need more or less HC except the low back/stomach pain.. So, if i stay on a regimen  of HC and try to reimplement the levoxyl when do you think i should do that and at what dose? i take 125mg daily of the levoxyl. thanks. Any use of Betaine HCL? I think my low thyroid destroyed my intestines and i need hcl but i have no info on it...thanks From: T <artisticgroomer@ jfwebs.com> To: RT3_T3 (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Sun, July 18, 2010 7:47:33 PM Subject: Re: bump: Val/HC  what you are feeling sounds liek ADRENAL pain and it common when tsaking not enough cortiosl . You have alot of symotms that oyu need MORE and more frequent dosing. http:www.nthadrenal sweb.com http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp. webs.com/ http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid- rt3.com/ http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/ http://artisticgroo ming.net/ ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Rose <jlrose448 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> To: NaturalThyroidHormo nesADRENALS@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sun, July 18, 2010 6:25:07 PM Subject: bump: Val/HC ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: jlrose448 <jlrose448 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> To: RT3_T3 (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com Sent: Sun, July 18, 2010 12:05:54 PM Subject: Re: Val/HC  thanks nick... i am so distraught trying to figure this out since no doctor seems to care. also, i am losing hair and i think my spleen is starting to hurt? not sure......anyway, so today i took 10hc and i am really tired 3 hours later...i am not taking levoxyl today..but you think it is the T3 pushing into the cells that is why i am having the issues? I am on the adrenal group, but i can't post to it via my computer or something... so, when i had my free T3 3 weeks ago it was 210 and my T4 was 1.2......my last rt3 was 23. so it is possible to get stable on hc then add thyroid slowly? When i was taking the adrenal supplements with licorice root in them i felt better than i do now. It was actually letting some thyroid in. I can't use the levoxyl (125mg daily split twice a day) thyroid meds alone. > > >.I don't have a thyroid, but maybe if I came off my levoxyl and > >just did HC 20mg qd for three days to build up? Does this sound like it might > >work? I think it is the thyroid meds causing these symptoms.. I can't handle a > >higher dose than 30hc i don't think my heart can handle IT. > > If you are on thyroid meds and have low cortisol this can cause the T3 > to build up in your blood stream (pool) and then starting T3 can @open > the flood gates" and let it through. > > You need to lower the thyroid levels to a safe level in your blood > stream before starting HC. > > I am not going to put a number to how many days you need to stop for > as I don't know any of your lab results. > > This is nothing to do with "not being able to tolerate HC", it's the > HC performing it's correct function and letting T3 into the cells, > unfortunately too much of it. > > You might benefit from joining the adrenal group and looking through > their FAQ site > > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/ > > Their FAQ Web site is here http://faqhelp. webs.com/ > > Nick > > -- > > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to > > www.thyroid- rt3.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 Hi, I just came across this which puzzled me a bit - I had RAI treatment a few years ago which nuked my thyroid - I'm on 100mcg of T3 but does this imply I should be taking other thyroid supplements as well? Sorry if this is a daft question, but I'd just been assuming that T3 was enough from what I'd read. Thanks Rod > >> > > >> > >.I don't have a thyroid, but maybe if I came off my levoxyl and > >> > >just did HC 20mg qd for three days to build up? Does this sound > >> like it might > >> > >work? I think it is the thyroid meds causing these symptoms.. I > >> can't handle a > >> > >higher dose than 30hc i don't think my heart can handle IT. > >> > > >> > If you are on thyroid meds and have low cortisol this can cause the T3 > >> > to build up in your blood stream (pool) and then starting T3 can @open > >> > the flood gates " and let it through. > >> > > >> > You need to lower the thyroid levels to a safe level in your blood > >> > stream before starting HC. > >> > > >> > I am not going to put a number to how many days you need to stop for > >> > as I don't know any of your lab results. > >> > > >> > This is nothing to do with " not being able to tolerate HC " , it's the > >> > HC performing it's correct function and letting T3 into the cells, > >> > unfortunately too much of it. > >> > > >> > You might benefit from joining the adrenal group and looking through > >> > their FAQ site > >> > > >> > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo > >> rmonesADRENALS/ > >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/> > >> > > >> > Their FAQ Web site is here http://faqhelp. webs.com/ > >> http://faqhelp.webs.com/> > >> > > >> > Nick > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to > >> > > >> > www.thyroid- rt3.com http://www.thyroid-rt3.com> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 You are fine on the T3 onyl but she is on JUST T4 and has high RT3 so she needs ot aswitch to T3 onyl BUT she has low iuroin which wil make her boyd have probalem with T3. http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp.webs.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ http://artisticgrooming.net/ > > Hi, > > I just came across this which puzzled me a bit - I had RAI treatment a few years ago which nuked my thyroid - I'm on 100mcg of T3 but does this imply I should be taking other thyroid supplements as well? > Sorry if this is a daft question, but I'd just been assuming that T3 was enough from what I'd read. > > Thanks > Rod > > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> .I don't have a thyroid, but maybe if I came off my levoxyl and >>>>>> just did HC 20mg qd for three days to build up? Does this sound >>>>>> >>>> like it might >>>> >>>>>> work? I think it is the thyroid meds causing these symptoms.. I >>>>>> >>>> can't handle a >>>> >>>>>> higher dose than 30hc i don't think my heart can handle IT. >>>>>> >>>>> If you are on thyroid meds and have low cortisol this can cause the T3 >>>>> to build up in your blood stream (pool) and then starting T3 can @open >>>>> the flood gates " and let it through. >>>>> >>>>> You need to lower the thyroid levels to a safe level in your blood >>>>> stream before starting HC. >>>>> >>>>> I am not going to put a number to how many days you need to stop for >>>>> as I don't know any of your lab results. >>>>> >>>>> This is nothing to do with " not being able to tolerate HC " , it's the >>>>> HC performing it's correct function and letting T3 into the cells, >>>>> unfortunately too much of it. >>>>> >>>>> You might benefit from joining the adrenal group and looking through >>>>> their FAQ site >>>>> >>>>> http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo >>>>> >>>> rmonesADRENALS/ >>>> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/> >>>> >>>>> Their FAQ Web site is here http://faqhelp. webs.com/ >>>>> >>>> http://faqhelp.webs.com/> >>>> >>>>> Nick >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to >>>>> >>>>> www.thyroid- rt3.comhttp://www.thyroid-rt3.com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Okay thanks for that. Rod > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> .I don't have a thyroid, but maybe if I came off my levoxyl and > >>>>>> just did HC 20mg qd for three days to build up? Does this sound > >>>>>> > >>>> like it might > >>>> > >>>>>> work? I think it is the thyroid meds causing these symptoms.. I > >>>>>> > >>>> can't handle a > >>>> > >>>>>> higher dose than 30hc i don't think my heart can handle IT. > >>>>>> > >>>>> If you are on thyroid meds and have low cortisol this can cause the T3 > >>>>> to build up in your blood stream (pool) and then starting T3 can @open > >>>>> the flood gates " and let it through. > >>>>> > >>>>> You need to lower the thyroid levels to a safe level in your blood > >>>>> stream before starting HC. > >>>>> > >>>>> I am not going to put a number to how many days you need to stop for > >>>>> as I don't know any of your lab results. > >>>>> > >>>>> This is nothing to do with " not being able to tolerate HC " , it's the > >>>>> HC performing it's correct function and letting T3 into the cells, > >>>>> unfortunately too much of it. > >>>>> > >>>>> You might benefit from joining the adrenal group and looking through > >>>>> their FAQ site > >>>>> > >>>>> http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo > >>>>> > >>>> rmonesADRENALS/ > >>>> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/> > >>>> > >>>>> Their FAQ Web site is here http://faqhelp. webs.com/ > >>>>> > >>>> http://faqhelp.webs.com/> > >>>> > >>>>> Nick > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> > >>>>> for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to > >>>>> > >>>>> www.thyroid- rt3.comhttp://www.thyroid-rt3.com> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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