Guest guest Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 If you figure this out, please post it. I'm having the same things happening to me. After having very slowly lost a couple of pounds for quite a while without really heavy dieting, just basically no caffeine products, no alcohol except for cooking and lowering my portions a bit, I have now gained almost 18 pounds and am swollen all over. My feet and ankles are awful and I can hardly put on a pair of shoes. <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge! Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> Subject: Gaining weight on T3 only/me tooTo: RT3_T3 Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 6:04 AM Yes, Chantel. I have also had a similar weight gain on T3 only and it is the biggest frustration of this treatment regimen. After two weeks transitioning from NT in November, the first week on T3 only I gained 10-12 pounds. That increased more slowly to an extra 25-30 pounds, has settled in at about an extra 25. I follow a strict low carb diet (no grains, no sugar, no starches, small amounts of fruit) and there was no change in my diet.Since I feel better on T3, I've been on a quest to find the missing piece to this because I think it is something metabolic. I think for me this may all be fluid retention. Sodium and potassium are balanced, sex hormones balanced, all the other advice here followed. I'm on good doses of magnesium, B vitamins (take by injection). I've recently weaned off HC.My current experiment is to increase my dosage of GLA (borage oil).Sherry------------------------------------We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 T3 raises blood sugar, causing insulin-resistance, which will cause weight gain. My FT3 got over range on Erfa, and when I dropped my dose, I lost some weight! > > > From: scdlymie > Subject: Gaining weight on T3 only/me too > To: RT3_T3 > Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 6:04 AM > > > Yes, Chantel.� I have also had a similar weight gain on T3 only and it is the biggest frustration of this treatment regimen.� > > After two weeks transitioning from NT in November, the first week on T3 only I gained 10-12 pounds.� That increased more slowly to an extra 25-30 pounds, has settled in at about an extra 25.� I follow a strict low carb diet (no grains, no sugar, no starches, small amounts of fruit) and there was no change in my diet. > > Since I feel better on T3, I've been on a quest to find the missing piece to this because I think it is something metabolic.� I think for me this may all be fluid retention.� Sodium and potassium are balanced, sex hormones balanced, all the other advice here followed.� I'm on good doses of magnesium, B vitamins (take by injection).� I've recently weaned off HC. > > My current experiment is to increase my dosage of GLA (borage oil). > > Sherry > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Yahoo! Groups Links > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 How do you figure T3 raises blood sugar? Sorry but i have heard several doctors spout that too and I have NOT seen it. Since I went on T3 onyl my glucose has improved tremendously. I am on about 1/4 the insulin I started wiht 3 years ago. If T3 raised glucose and worsened insulin resistance , as a type 2 Diabetic I am sure I would have needed MORE insulin not 3/4 less. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp.webs.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ http://artisticgrooming.net/ > T3 raises blood sugar, causing insulin-resistance, which will cause weight gain. My FT3 got over range on Erfa, and when I dropped my dose, I lost some weight! > > >> >> >> From: scdlymie >> Subject: Gaining weight on T3 only/me too >> To: RT3_T3 >> Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 6:04 AM >> >> >> Yes, Chantel.� I have also had a similar weight gain on T3 only and it is the biggest frustration of this treatment regimen.� >> >> After two weeks transitioning from NT in November, the first week on T3 only I gained 10-12 pounds.� That increased more slowly to an extra 25-30 pounds, has settled in at about an extra 25.� I follow a strict low carb diet (no grains, no sugar, no starches, small amounts of fruit) and there was no change in my diet. >> >> Since I feel better on T3, I've been on a quest to find the missing piece to this because I think it is something metabolic.� I think for me this may all be fluid retention.� Sodium and potassium are balanced, sex hormones balanced, all the other advice here followed.� I'm on good doses of magnesium, B vitamins (take by injection).� I've recently weaned off HC. >> >> My current experiment is to increase my dosage of GLA (borage oil). >> >> Sherry >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 some one said they recently weaned off HC. Could THAT be part of the missing piece? like for instance, If they started a little bit of HC, and also used a little less of the T3 (if the hc was helping it get into tissues and cells better?) -- Gaining weight on T3 only/me too >> To: RT3_T3 >> Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 6:04 AM >> >> >> Yes, Chantel.� I have also had a similar weight gain on T3 only and it is the biggest frustration of this treatment regimen.� >> >> After two weeks transitioning from NT in November, the first week on T3 only I gained 10-12 pounds.� That increased more slowly to an extra 25-30 pounds, has settled in at about an extra 25.� I follow a strict low carb diet (no grains, no sugar, no starches, small amounts of fruit) and there was no change in my diet. >> >> Since I feel better on T3, I've been on a quest to find the missing piece to this because I think it is something metabolic.� I think for me this may all be fluid retention.� Sodium and potassium are balanced, sex hormones balanced, all the other advice here followed.� I'm on good doses of magnesium, B vitamins (take by injection).� I've recently weaned off HC. >> >> My current experiment is to increase my dosage of GLA (borage oil). >> >> Sherry >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Gaining weight on T3 usually means the dose is incorrect or the utilization is incorrect or cortils is high or thye have glucose issues to beign wiht. High inuslin will cause weight gain! http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp.webs.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ http://artisticgrooming.net/ > some one said they recently weaned off HC. Could THAT > be part of the missing piece? like for instance, If > they started a little bit of HC, and also used a > little less of the T3 (if the hc was helping it get > into tissues and cells better?) > > > > -- Gaining weight on T3 only/me too >>> > >>> To: RT3_T3 >>> > >>> Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 6:04 AM >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Yes, Chantel.� I have also had a similar weight >>> > gain on T3 only and it is the biggest frustration of > this treatment regimen.� > > >>> > >>> After two weeks transitioning from NT in November, >>> > the first week on T3 only I gained 10-12 pounds.� > That increased more slowly to an extra 25-30 pounds, > has settled in at about an extra 25.� I follow a > strict low carb diet (no grains, no sugar, no > starches, small amounts of fruit) and there was no > change in my diet. > > >>> > >>> Since I feel better on T3, I've been on a quest to >>> > find the missing piece to this because I think it is > something metabolic.� I think for me this may all > be fluid retention.� Sodium and potassium are > balanced, sex hormones balanced, all the other advice > here followed.� I'm on good doses of magnesium, B > vitamins (take by injection).� I've recently weaned > off HC. > > >>> > >>> My current experiment is to increase my dosage of >>> > GLA (borage oil). > > >>> > >>> Sherry >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------ >>> > >>> > >>> We are not medical professionals here, just >>> > patients sharing our experiences. Please use this > information with the help of a competent doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 I can understand your conclusion, but Erfa has other things in it besides T3, which may or may not have had something to do with the weight loss. I have not seen anything anywhere so far that indicates T3 raises blood sugar. <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge! Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> Subject: Re: Gaining weight on T3 only/me tooTo: RT3_T3 Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 3:07 PM T3 raises blood sugar, causing insulin-resistance, which will cause weight gain. My FT3 got over range on Erfa, and when I dropped my dose, I lost some weight!> > > > Subject: Gaining weight on T3 only/me too> To: RT3_T3 > Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 6:04 AM> > > Yes, Chantel.� I have also had a similar weight gain on T3 only and it is the biggest frustration of this treatment regimen.� > > After two weeks transitioning from NT in November, the first week on T3 only I gained 10-12 pounds.� That increased more slowly to an extra 25-30 pounds, has settled in at about an extra 25.� I follow a strict low carb diet (no grains, no sugar, no starches, small amounts of fruit) and there was no change in my diet.> > Since I feel better on T3, I've been on a quest to find the missing piece to this because I think it is something metabolic.� I think for me this may all be fluid retention.� Sodium and potassium are balanced, sex hormones balanced, all the other advice here followed.� I'm on good doses of magnesium, B vitamins (take by injection).� I've recently weaned off HC.> > My current experiment is to increase my dosage of GLA (borage oil).> > Sherry> > > > > > ------------------------------------> > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 I appreciate everyone's thoughts. I've thought about this being related to sugar/insulin but my levels are good. My leptin level was 18. Maybe there is something going on with glycogenesis? I'm off HC now, because symptoms pointed clearly in that direction. There has been no change in the weight/fluid issues. I'm not noticeably swollen in the ankles, etc. No pitting edema. I do seem to have a lot of fluid in the abdomen. I had some milder but similar weight gain on new Armour, then on Naturethroid it eventually went away totally. On T3, both the Paddock and the Cynomel, it has been the same. So I don't think it is a filler issue. I've also wondered about it being related to T1, T2, and calcitonin. I've also wondered about tissue resistance remaining in only some tissues?? The increase of my GLA (borage oil) dose from 250 mg to 1000 mg/day has resulted in some surprising effects but I've not yet seen improvement with the weight, although it may be too soon to tell. It has dramatically stabilized my temps after 6 weeks of unstable, and dramatically improved my allergies (pollen related) Sherry > > >> > > >> > > >> From: scdlymie > > >> Subject: Gaining weight on T3 only/me too > > >> To: RT3_T3 > > >> Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 6:04 AM > > >> > > >> > > >> Yes, Chantel.� I have also had a similar weight > gain on T3 only and it is the biggest frustration of > this treatment regimen.� > > >> > > >> After two weeks transitioning from NT in November, > the first week on T3 only I gained 10-12 pounds.� > That increased more slowly to an extra 25-30 pounds, > has settled in at about an extra 25.� I follow a > strict low carb diet (no grains, no sugar, no > starches, small amounts of fruit) and there was no > change in my diet. > > >> > > >> Since I feel better on T3, I've been on a quest to > find the missing piece to this because I think it is > something metabolic.� I think for me this may all > be fluid retention.� Sodium and potassium are > balanced, sex hormones balanced, all the other advice > here followed.� I'm on good doses of magnesium, B > vitamins (take by injection).� I've recently weaned > off HC. > > >> > > >> My current experiment is to increase my dosage of > GLA (borage oil). > > >> > > >> Sherry > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------------ > > >> > > >> We are not medical professionals here, just > patients sharing our experiences. Please use this > information with the help of a competent doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 http://www.annals.org/content/118/7/529.full Drug-Induced Disorders of Glucose Tolerance It appears that thyroid can either improve or worsen glucose tolerance. Your being diabetic puts you in a different category from someone who is not. It is entirely possible that for you, more T3 has positive effects, and for others, too much can cause insulin resistance. Obviously people here need to be on T3, and I can only suggest taking smaller amounts more often, if possible, so as not to dump too much T3 into the system at once. Diabetes is also a known cause of rT3, which explains why it's pointless for you to go back to NDT. Barb > >> > >> > >> From: scdlymie > >> Subject: Gaining weight on T3 only/me too > >> To: RT3_T3 > >> Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 6:04 AM > >> > >> > >> Yes, Chantel.� I have also had a similar weight gain on T3 only and it is the biggest frustration of this treatment regimen.� > >> > >> After two weeks transitioning from NT in November, the first week on T3 only I gained 10-12 pounds.� That increased more slowly to an extra 25-30 pounds, has settled in at about an extra 25.� I follow a strict low carb diet (no grains, no sugar, no starches, small amounts of fruit) and there was no change in my diet. > >> > >> Since I feel better on T3, I've been on a quest to find the missing piece to this because I think it is something metabolic.� I think for me this may all be fluid retention.� Sodium and potassium are balanced, sex hormones balanced, all the other advice here followed.� I'm on good doses of magnesium, B vitamins (take by injection).� I've recently weaned off HC. > >> > >> My current experiment is to increase my dosage of GLA (borage oil). > >> > >> Sherry > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------ > >> > >> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Great article. I'm glad I can't or won't take most of those drugs. <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge! Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> Subject: Re: Gaining weight on T3 only/me tooTo: RT3_T3 Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 7:32 PM http://www.annals.org/content/118/7/529.fullDrug-Induced Disorders of Glucose ToleranceIt appears that thyroid can either improve or worsen glucose tolerance. Your being diabetic puts you in a different category from someone who is not. It is entirely possible that for you, more T3 has positive effects, and for others, too much can cause insulin resistance. Obviously people here need to be on T3, and I can only suggest taking smaller amounts more often, if possible, so as not to dump too much T3 into the system at once.Diabetes is also a known cause of rT3, which explains why it's pointless for you to go back to NDT.Barb> >>> >>> >> From: scdlymie<scdlymie@>> >> Subject: Gaining weight on T3 only/me too> >> To: RT3_T3 > >> Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 6:04 AM> >>> >>> >> Yes, Chantel.� I have also had a similar weight gain on T3 only and it is the biggest frustration of this treatment regimen.�> >>> >> After two weeks transitioning from NT in November, the first week on T3 only I gained 10-12 pounds.� That increased more slowly to an extra 25-30 pounds, has settled in at about an extra 25.� I follow a strict low carb diet (no grains, no sugar, no starches, small amounts of fruit) and there was no change in my diet.> >>> >> Since I feel better on T3, I've been on a quest to find the missing piece to this because I think it is something metabolic.� I think for me this may all be fluid retention.� Sodium and potassium are balanced, sex hormones balanced, all the other advice here followed.� I'm on good doses of magnesium, B vitamins (take by injection).� I've recently weaned off HC.> >>> >> My current experiment is to increase my dosage of GLA (borage oil).> >>> >> Sherry> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------> >>> >> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Great article. I'm glad I can't or won't take most of those drugs. <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge! Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> Subject: Re: Gaining weight on T3 only/me tooTo: RT3_T3 Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 7:32 PM http://www.annals.org/content/118/7/529.fullDrug-Induced Disorders of Glucose ToleranceIt appears that thyroid can either improve or worsen glucose tolerance. Your being diabetic puts you in a different category from someone who is not. It is entirely possible that for you, more T3 has positive effects, and for others, too much can cause insulin resistance. Obviously people here need to be on T3, and I can only suggest taking smaller amounts more often, if possible, so as not to dump too much T3 into the system at once.Diabetes is also a known cause of rT3, which explains why it's pointless for you to go back to NDT.Barb> >>> >>> >> From: scdlymie<scdlymie@>> >> Subject: Gaining weight on T3 only/me too> >> To: RT3_T3 > >> Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 6:04 AM> >>> >>> >> Yes, Chantel.� I have also had a similar weight gain on T3 only and it is the biggest frustration of this treatment regimen.�> >>> >> After two weeks transitioning from NT in November, the first week on T3 only I gained 10-12 pounds.� That increased more slowly to an extra 25-30 pounds, has settled in at about an extra 25.� I follow a strict low carb diet (no grains, no sugar, no starches, small amounts of fruit) and there was no change in my diet.> >>> >> Since I feel better on T3, I've been on a quest to find the missing piece to this because I think it is something metabolic.� I think for me this may all be fluid retention.� Sodium and potassium are balanced, sex hormones balanced, all the other advice here followed.� I'm on good doses of magnesium, B vitamins (take by injection).� I've recently weaned off HC.> >>> >> My current experiment is to increase my dosage of GLA (borage oil).> >>> >> Sherry> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------> >>> >> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Great article. I'm glad I can't or won't take most of those drugs. <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge! Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> Subject: Re: Gaining weight on T3 only/me tooTo: RT3_T3 Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 7:32 PM http://www.annals.org/content/118/7/529.fullDrug-Induced Disorders of Glucose ToleranceIt appears that thyroid can either improve or worsen glucose tolerance. Your being diabetic puts you in a different category from someone who is not. It is entirely possible that for you, more T3 has positive effects, and for others, too much can cause insulin resistance. Obviously people here need to be on T3, and I can only suggest taking smaller amounts more often, if possible, so as not to dump too much T3 into the system at once.Diabetes is also a known cause of rT3, which explains why it's pointless for you to go back to NDT.Barb> >>> >>> >> From: scdlymie<scdlymie@>> >> Subject: Gaining weight on T3 only/me too> >> To: RT3_T3 > >> Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 6:04 AM> >>> >>> >> Yes, Chantel.� I have also had a similar weight gain on T3 only and it is the biggest frustration of this treatment regimen.�> >>> >> After two weeks transitioning from NT in November, the first week on T3 only I gained 10-12 pounds.� That increased more slowly to an extra 25-30 pounds, has settled in at about an extra 25.� I follow a strict low carb diet (no grains, no sugar, no starches, small amounts of fruit) and there was no change in my diet.> >>> >> Since I feel better on T3, I've been on a quest to find the missing piece to this because I think it is something metabolic.� I think for me this may all be fluid retention.� Sodium and potassium are balanced, sex hormones balanced, all the other advice here followed.� I'm on good doses of magnesium, B vitamins (take by injection).� I've recently weaned off HC.> >>> >> My current experiment is to increase my dosage of GLA (borage oil).> >>> >> Sherry> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------> >>> >> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 >If you figure this out, please post it. I'm having the same things happening to me. I have got back to my " pre armour reformulkation " weight and dropped a few pounds since. The most obvious reason for gaining on T3 is not being on enough of it or not being able to utilise it due to Cortisol/iron issues. Nick -- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 >My FT3 got over range on Erfa, and when I dropped my dose, I lost some weight! If your FT3 goes over on Erfa the chances are your FT4 went above the 1.4 mark, this is then the trigger for RT3 production and a slowing of the metabolism Lowering the Erfa dose then lowers the RT3 and lets you utilise the FT3 that's there and speed yout metabolism again Adrenal stress is produced when there is too much RT3 and this in turn screws up the blood sugar control. Nick -- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Yes I ahve read that site before. BUT they are siting other sites and thus THEIR interpretatin of the studies others have done. I KNOW hyperthyroidism causes insdulin reisstance, This is DIFFERNT than T3 causing insulin reisstance. Hyperthyroidism cuases th ebody's defense mode ot kick in.. guess what that is? RT3! RT3 definitley causes insulin reisstance. That is quite possibly WHY i ma Diabetic. Insulin resistance doe snto work differntly for Diabetics we simply have had it long enough that our Beta cells have become damaged form high glucose that our insulin production could nto keep up with it si the same for Diabetics just noticable as we check glucose regularly and out counterregulatory mechanisms (mainly our beta cells) are worn out and damaged., This page also explains why I am intolerant of Progesterone, and I get HUGE benefits from estrogen. It also does NOT differntiate betwen physiological dosing of corticosteroids but lumpos it all into ONE category that causes insulin resistance. PROPER cortils levels inproves insulin resistance! I have seen it in several Diabetics that started HC and saw their numbners improve. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp.webs.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ http://artisticgrooming.net/ > http://www.annals.org/content/118/7/529.full > Drug-Induced Disorders of Glucose Tolerance > > It appears that thyroid can either improve or worsen glucose tolerance. Your being diabetic puts you in a different category from someone who is not. It is entirely possible that for you, more T3 has positive effects, and for others, too much can cause insulin resistance. > > Obviously people here need to be on T3, and I can only suggest taking smaller amounts more often, if possible, so as not to dump too much T3 into the system at once. > > Diabetes is also a known cause of rT3, which explains why it's pointless for you to go back to NDT. > > Barb > > > >>>> >>>> >>>> From: scdlymie >>>> Subject: Gaining weight on T3 only/me too >>>> To: RT3_T3 >>>> Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 6:04 AM >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, Chantel.� I have also had a similar weight gain on T3 only and it is the biggest frustration of this treatment regimen.� >>>> >>>> After two weeks transitioning from NT in November, the first week on T3 only I gained 10-12 pounds.� That increased more slowly to an extra 25-30 pounds, has settled in at about an extra 25.� I follow a strict low carb diet (no grains, no sugar, no starches, small amounts of fruit) and there was no change in my diet. >>>> >>>> Since I feel better on T3, I've been on a quest to find the missing piece to this because I think it is something metabolic.� I think for me this may all be fluid retention.� Sodium and potassium are balanced, sex hormones balanced, all the other advice here followed.� I'm on good doses of magnesium, B vitamins (take by injection).� I've recently weaned off HC. >>>> >>>> My current experiment is to increase my dosage of GLA (borage oil). >>>> >>>> Sherry >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Yes I ahve read that site before. BUT they are siting other sites and thus THEIR interpretatin of the studies others have done. I KNOW hyperthyroidism causes insdulin reisstance, This is DIFFERNT than T3 causing insulin reisstance. Hyperthyroidism cuases th ebody's defense mode ot kick in.. guess what that is? RT3! RT3 definitley causes insulin reisstance. That is quite possibly WHY i ma Diabetic. Insulin resistance doe snto work differntly for Diabetics we simply have had it long enough that our Beta cells have become damaged form high glucose that our insulin production could nto keep up with it si the same for Diabetics just noticable as we check glucose regularly and out counterregulatory mechanisms (mainly our beta cells) are worn out and damaged., This page also explains why I am intolerant of Progesterone, and I get HUGE benefits from estrogen. It also does NOT differntiate betwen physiological dosing of corticosteroids but lumpos it all into ONE category that causes insulin resistance. PROPER cortils levels inproves insulin resistance! I have seen it in several Diabetics that started HC and saw their numbners improve. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp.webs.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ http://artisticgrooming.net/ > http://www.annals.org/content/118/7/529.full > Drug-Induced Disorders of Glucose Tolerance > > It appears that thyroid can either improve or worsen glucose tolerance. Your being diabetic puts you in a different category from someone who is not. It is entirely possible that for you, more T3 has positive effects, and for others, too much can cause insulin resistance. > > Obviously people here need to be on T3, and I can only suggest taking smaller amounts more often, if possible, so as not to dump too much T3 into the system at once. > > Diabetes is also a known cause of rT3, which explains why it's pointless for you to go back to NDT. > > Barb > > > >>>> >>>> >>>> From: scdlymie >>>> Subject: Gaining weight on T3 only/me too >>>> To: RT3_T3 >>>> Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 6:04 AM >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, Chantel.� I have also had a similar weight gain on T3 only and it is the biggest frustration of this treatment regimen.� >>>> >>>> After two weeks transitioning from NT in November, the first week on T3 only I gained 10-12 pounds.� That increased more slowly to an extra 25-30 pounds, has settled in at about an extra 25.� I follow a strict low carb diet (no grains, no sugar, no starches, small amounts of fruit) and there was no change in my diet. >>>> >>>> Since I feel better on T3, I've been on a quest to find the missing piece to this because I think it is something metabolic.� I think for me this may all be fluid retention.� Sodium and potassium are balanced, sex hormones balanced, all the other advice here followed.� I'm on good doses of magnesium, B vitamins (take by injection).� I've recently weaned off HC. >>>> >>>> My current experiment is to increase my dosage of GLA (borage oil). >>>> >>>> Sherry >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Yes I ahve read that site before. BUT they are siting other sites and thus THEIR interpretatin of the studies others have done. I KNOW hyperthyroidism causes insdulin reisstance, This is DIFFERNT than T3 causing insulin reisstance. Hyperthyroidism cuases th ebody's defense mode ot kick in.. guess what that is? RT3! RT3 definitley causes insulin reisstance. That is quite possibly WHY i ma Diabetic. Insulin resistance doe snto work differntly for Diabetics we simply have had it long enough that our Beta cells have become damaged form high glucose that our insulin production could nto keep up with it si the same for Diabetics just noticable as we check glucose regularly and out counterregulatory mechanisms (mainly our beta cells) are worn out and damaged., This page also explains why I am intolerant of Progesterone, and I get HUGE benefits from estrogen. It also does NOT differntiate betwen physiological dosing of corticosteroids but lumpos it all into ONE category that causes insulin resistance. PROPER cortils levels inproves insulin resistance! I have seen it in several Diabetics that started HC and saw their numbners improve. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp.webs.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ http://artisticgrooming.net/ > http://www.annals.org/content/118/7/529.full > Drug-Induced Disorders of Glucose Tolerance > > It appears that thyroid can either improve or worsen glucose tolerance. Your being diabetic puts you in a different category from someone who is not. It is entirely possible that for you, more T3 has positive effects, and for others, too much can cause insulin resistance. > > Obviously people here need to be on T3, and I can only suggest taking smaller amounts more often, if possible, so as not to dump too much T3 into the system at once. > > Diabetes is also a known cause of rT3, which explains why it's pointless for you to go back to NDT. > > Barb > > > >>>> >>>> >>>> From: scdlymie >>>> Subject: Gaining weight on T3 only/me too >>>> To: RT3_T3 >>>> Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 6:04 AM >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, Chantel.� I have also had a similar weight gain on T3 only and it is the biggest frustration of this treatment regimen.� >>>> >>>> After two weeks transitioning from NT in November, the first week on T3 only I gained 10-12 pounds.� That increased more slowly to an extra 25-30 pounds, has settled in at about an extra 25.� I follow a strict low carb diet (no grains, no sugar, no starches, small amounts of fruit) and there was no change in my diet. >>>> >>>> Since I feel better on T3, I've been on a quest to find the missing piece to this because I think it is something metabolic.� I think for me this may all be fluid retention.� Sodium and potassium are balanced, sex hormones balanced, all the other advice here followed.� I'm on good doses of magnesium, B vitamins (take by injection).� I've recently weaned off HC. >>>> >>>> My current experiment is to increase my dosage of GLA (borage oil). >>>> >>>> Sherry >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Nick Foot wrote: > >>My FT3 got over range on Erfa, and when I dropped my dose, I lost some weight! > If your FT3 goes over on Erfa the chances are your FT4 went above the 1.4 mark, this is then the trigger for RT3 production and a slowing of the metabolism Nope, on 2.5 grain Erfa FT4 was 1.1 (.8-1.8) FT3 492 (230-420) Total T3 178 (76-181) rT3 was requested but never got the results. Did not show physical symptoms of rT3 I had last time (knee edema, inner eyebrow thin, etc.), and actually felt a little hot and overmedicated. Labs were done 10.5 hours after bedtime dose Ferritin and cortisol ok My point in all of this is that straight T3 is not natural to the body, and it's possible that SOME bodies don't respond as you'd think. I've seen many here take T3 successfully. I know I'm not hyper by labs at 2 grain, yet I develop erythrocytosis, another condition associated with hyper. At 1.5 grain, the elevated RBC, hematocrit, and hemoglobin of erythrocytosis are not there, but I have hypo symptoms. So my case is more complex than others. I'm told that RAI does not stop the Graves' antibodies, and that NDT can even trigger them, so that could be a factor in play here for me. Just relaying my personal story here. Barb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Nick Foot wrote: > >>My FT3 got over range on Erfa, and when I dropped my dose, I lost some weight! > If your FT3 goes over on Erfa the chances are your FT4 went above the 1.4 mark, this is then the trigger for RT3 production and a slowing of the metabolism Nope, on 2.5 grain Erfa FT4 was 1.1 (.8-1.8) FT3 492 (230-420) Total T3 178 (76-181) rT3 was requested but never got the results. Did not show physical symptoms of rT3 I had last time (knee edema, inner eyebrow thin, etc.), and actually felt a little hot and overmedicated. Labs were done 10.5 hours after bedtime dose Ferritin and cortisol ok My point in all of this is that straight T3 is not natural to the body, and it's possible that SOME bodies don't respond as you'd think. I've seen many here take T3 successfully. I know I'm not hyper by labs at 2 grain, yet I develop erythrocytosis, another condition associated with hyper. At 1.5 grain, the elevated RBC, hematocrit, and hemoglobin of erythrocytosis are not there, but I have hypo symptoms. So my case is more complex than others. I'm told that RAI does not stop the Graves' antibodies, and that NDT can even trigger them, so that could be a factor in play here for me. Just relaying my personal story here. Barb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Nick Foot wrote: > >>My FT3 got over range on Erfa, and when I dropped my dose, I lost some weight! > If your FT3 goes over on Erfa the chances are your FT4 went above the 1.4 mark, this is then the trigger for RT3 production and a slowing of the metabolism Nope, on 2.5 grain Erfa FT4 was 1.1 (.8-1.8) FT3 492 (230-420) Total T3 178 (76-181) rT3 was requested but never got the results. Did not show physical symptoms of rT3 I had last time (knee edema, inner eyebrow thin, etc.), and actually felt a little hot and overmedicated. Labs were done 10.5 hours after bedtime dose Ferritin and cortisol ok My point in all of this is that straight T3 is not natural to the body, and it's possible that SOME bodies don't respond as you'd think. I've seen many here take T3 successfully. I know I'm not hyper by labs at 2 grain, yet I develop erythrocytosis, another condition associated with hyper. At 1.5 grain, the elevated RBC, hematocrit, and hemoglobin of erythrocytosis are not there, but I have hypo symptoms. So my case is more complex than others. I'm told that RAI does not stop the Graves' antibodies, and that NDT can even trigger them, so that could be a factor in play here for me. Just relaying my personal story here. Barb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Nope, on 2.5 grain Erfa FT4 was 1.1 (.8-1.8) FT3 492 (230-420) But SOMETHINR is blocking the T3 from working here. Either RT3 or low cortiosl or low iron, somehting. >> >> >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ >> http://faqhelp.webs.com/ >> >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ >> http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ >> > Nope, on 2.5 grain Erfa FT4 was 1.1 (.8-1.8) > FT3 492 (230-420) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 >Just relaying my personal story here. Interesting, looks like you've looked at it lots of ways and covered most things Val is a LOT more experienced than I am at " out of pattern " cases. To have those labs T3 my gut feeling is T3 is pooling in you, you can convert T4 to T3 successfully and the Erfa is adding more T3, what's missing is utilisation of it so it builds up or pools. This is normally due to Iron, cortisol, or RT3 issues though there can be more causes than that I am sure. Nick -- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 This is EXACTLY what happened to me. I wasn't on enough HC and once I increaseed per phone conversation with Val, I lost weight immediately. I assume because the t3 was able to get into the cells, as Val said my labs showed it was just pooling. Kathleen > > The most obvious reason for gaining on T3 is not being on enough of it > or not being able to utilise it due to Cortisol/iron issues. > > Nick > > -- > > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to > > www.thyroid-rt3.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 I believe a leptin over 10 indicates leptin issues and that can cause weight gain. Holtorf's site has info on leptin and weight. You can google it. It's interesting and it can be fixed, I think, but you have to do injections. Kathleen > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> From: scdlymie > > > > >> Subject: Gaining weight on T3 only/me too > > > > >> To: RT3_T3 > > > > >> Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 6:04 AM > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Yes, Chantel.� I have also had a similar weight > > gain on T3 only and it is the biggest frustration of > > this treatment regimen.� > > > > >> > > > > >> After two weeks transitioning from NT in November, > > the first week on T3 only I gained 10-12 pounds.� > > That increased more slowly to an extra 25-30 pounds, > > has settled in at about an extra 25.� I follow a > > strict low carb diet (no grains, no sugar, no > > starches, small amounts of fruit) and there was no > > change in my diet. > > > > >> > > > > >> Since I feel better on T3, I've been on a quest to > > find the missing piece to this because I think it is > > something metabolic.� I think for me this may all > > be fluid retention.� Sodium and potassium are > > balanced, sex hormones balanced, all the other advice > > here followed.� I'm on good doses of magnesium, B > > vitamins (take by injection).� I've recently weaned > > off HC. > > > > >> > > > > >> My current experiment is to increase my dosage of > > GLA (borage oil). > > > > >> > > > > >> Sherry > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> ------------------------------------ > > > > >> > > > > >> We are not medical professionals here, just > > patients sharing our experiences. Please use this > > information with the help of a competent doctor. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 That actually doesn't make any sense to me because it's t3 that our bodies need and use. We don't actually even use t4 at all -- it's just a storage hormone to turn into t3 as needed. So it doens't make sense that t3 would cause insulin resistance or high blood sugar. Kathleen > > From: Barb > Subject: Re: Gaining weight on T3 only/me too > To: RT3_T3 > Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 3:07 PM > > > T3 raises blood sugar, causing insulin-resistance, which will cause weight gain. My FT3 got over range on Erfa, and when I dropped my dose, I lost some weight! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 Sherry you are nto the only onew with a weight issu4 that is not responding to gettign unhyppo. I count every gram of carb that goes in my biody and I kNWO I do nto eat more thn I should but possibly lESS. I sril have some energy issues and my weight has nto moved btu I have stopped the slwo gain I have had for years. The weird thing is through out the years I have had periods of time when the weight just literally fell off me. No change in diet no change in meds NOTHING to cause this btu I have dropped 50-70 pounds each time onyl for it to stop LONG short of my goal weight and thne just start the slow climb back up. Nothing I do differntly makes any differnce at all in my weight,. Now I AM Diabetic, which I am sure my high inuslin levels have something to do with it. Insulin causes us to pack on fat. But in the last 1.5 years I have been able to reduce my insulin USE by abotu 2/3 to 3/4 what I started wiht by changing diet nd adding in some supplements but even thta has not affected my weight. SO I wil tell you that we stil do not have all the answers for this issue and for some of us low thyroid is not the only cuase for the stubborn pounds thta do nto want to move. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp.webs.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ http://artisticgrooming.net/ I'm processing all the ideas on this thread. Yes, Kathleen, I've looked into the leptin issue and Holtorf's info. The thing is, this is considered only a slight elevation. So I've put it on the back burner thinking it might be secondary to other issues. Nick, and others: I'm quite sure my T3 dose is right on, and I'm not feeling hypo. When the weight jumped up the 3rd week of T3 treatment (Nov), I was not on HC. I went on HC in February and it helped with symptoms but no improvement in weight. Iron turned out to be quite low, and I had iron IV's in March, overshot the mark and was too high on iron. The excess has naturally been dropping quite nicely and I am almost perfect now on iron levels. Ferritin still up just a bit. Once I had the iron IVs, I HAD to cut HC almost immediately as I had high cortisol symptoms. Too high HC caused low temps and instability for me that would improve with a drop in HC. I weaned gradually with a period of increasing again due to high work stress, and then completely off by 2 weeks ago. I've had no low cortisol symptoms with the weaning process, and feel fine off of it. However, temps have been unstable for 6 weeks, and low since I finished the weaning until this week when I started higher doses of GLA. On the increased GLA, temps first stabilized--with 0.1 variation, and now are increasing and it looks like I might now restabilize at a perfect temp level. I'm on good I.M. doses of B12, B vitamins, magnesium, and glutathione (liver support) I'm using sea salt, and taking slow release potassium and my RBC potassium levels are perfect, sodium is also just right. None of these adjustments has had any impact on the weight issue, however, weight HAS stopped increasing. As of about late March, early April I think. It IS possible this is a T3 utilization issue, but it seems to me I've covered all the bases that we've talked about here on the forum. My fasting blood sugar and A1C are great, do I need to do further testing for insulin levels? If so what? The GLA has worked pretty dramatically to decrease inflammation from allergies, stabilize my temps, as well as increase the strength of my immune system. So maybe it will also help with the weight if I give it enough time. Its only been 7 days so far. Sherry ------------------------------------ We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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