[BULK] Re: Problems rising T3 / How much HC can one take? BUMP

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> I tried that last time I got high pulse (when I rised to 62.5 Cynomel) and I

felt awful, I think actually my addrenals crashed. The high pulse started again

recently when I upped the T3 dose again (now to 75), so I am pretty sure is T3

causing it, either because of intolerance or hyper.

> If it is intolerance I have no clue about what to do, because, according to

this group, everything that could cause intolerance is O.K. (iron, electrolites,

aldosterone...) and if the problem is cortisol I don't what else to do, because

as you said 37.5 is quite a high dose already.

>

> I actually feel like with a mixture of hyper and hypo symptoms.

> I cleared many months ago and I don't seem to be able to find my " sweet spot " .

I am very upset emotionally, completely exhausted after trying to do all this by

myself for more than two years already.

> Could it be that T3 doesn't work for me?

>

> Many thanks,

>

>>> I am having problems rising T3. I am now taking 75 Cynomel and I would like

to rise to see if I could feel better. I have had an awful month. I decided to

go of the little bit of antidepressant I was taking (10 mg Anafranil) and I had

a horrible month with panic attacks, insomnia, crying spells.

>>>

>>> However when I rise T3 I get a very fast heart rate (I wake up with good

heart rate, about 80, but during the day it gets above 100). Also I keep loosing

weight being already too thin. The fast heart rate happened to me before (when I

went up to 62.5 T3) and it eventually improved (I don't know exactly why but the

two things I did were to increase HC and to take 400 magnesium).

>>> I have posted a lot here, but everything (iron, aldosterone, electrolites)

seems to be O.K. according to this group. Only HC maybe wrong (although all the

test I did before supplementing came out right), but I am supplementing 37.5 and

still having problems rising T3. Could/Should I increase HC? what about

increasing the magnesium dose?

>>>

>>> Thanks,

>>>

>>> ------------------------------------

>>>

>>> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

September 1, 2010

OK this is not high T3. I owuld look ot sex hormones and electrolytes

and maybe even more magnesium.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> latest thyroid labs at the end of July (taken 11 hours after last T3 dose, on

62.5 cynomel). I was also taking 30 HC:

>

> TSH: 0.1

> free T4: 0.25 ng/dl (0.71-1.90)

> free T3: 5.01 pmol/l (2.63-5.70)

>

> I also had high pulse with the above labs. High pulse improved eventually, I

don't know why, but the things I did were to increase HC to 37.5 and to take 400

Magnesium.

>

> Now I went up to 75 Cynomel and pulse has gone up again (I still don't have

labs).

>

> Thanks,

>

>>>>> I am having problems rising T3. I am now taking 75 Cynomel and I would

like to rise to see if I could feel better. I have had an awful month. I decided

to go of the little bit of antidepressant I was taking (10 mg Anafranil) and I

had a horrible month with panic attacks, insomnia, crying spells.

>>>>>

>>>>> However when I rise T3 I get a very fast heart rate (I wake up with good

heart rate, about 80, but during the day it gets above 100). Also I keep loosing

weight being already too thin. The fast heart rate happened to me before (when I

went up to 62.5 T3) and it eventually improved (I don't know exactly why but the

two things I did were to increase HC and to take 400 magnesium).

>>>>> I have posted a lot here, but everything (iron, aldosterone, electrolites)

seems to be O.K. according to this group. Only HC maybe wrong (although all the

test I did before supplementing came out right), but I am supplementing 37.5 and

still having problems rising T3. Could/Should I increase HC? what about

increasing the magnesium dose?

>>>>>

>>>>> Thanks,

>>>>>

>>>>> ------------------------------------

>>>>>

>>>>> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

September 1, 2010

I have heard many folks takign up to 800mg magnesium,

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> Thanks Val,

>

> Sex hormones were good last time I checked (when I cleared about 4 months

ago), except for testosterone which was low. However I am hesitating to

supplement because I want to get pregnant... Can low testosterone cause problems

tolerating T3?

>

> Electrolites are good also (I am supplementing both an labs are good and

stable for several months already).

>

> I am taking now 400 magnesium, how much can one take?

>

>>>>>>> I am having problems rising T3. I am now taking 75 Cynomel and I would

like to rise to see if I could feel better. I have had an awful month. I decided

to go of the little bit of antidepressant I was taking (10 mg Anafranil) and I

had a horrible month with panic attacks, insomnia, crying spells.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> However when I rise T3 I get a very fast heart rate (I wake up with good

heart rate, about 80, but during the day it gets above 100). Also I keep loosing

weight being already too thin. The fast heart rate happened to me before (when I

went up to 62.5 T3) and it eventually improved (I don't know exactly why but the

two things I did were to increase HC and to take 400 magnesium).

>>>>>>> I have posted a lot here, but everything (iron, aldosterone,

electrolites) seems to be O.K. according to this group. Only HC maybe wrong

(although all the test I did before supplementing came out right), but I am

supplementing 37.5 and still having problems rising T3. Could/Should I increase

HC? what about increasing the magnesium dose?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Thanks,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ------------------------------------

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

September 1, 2010

MOnica as we get UNHYPO our SHBG which wil have been supressed by hypo

goes up to a normal level. THUIS binds estrgoen and tetsoisteonre Your

symptoms scream lwo estrogen. This wilk NOT be any better ona good dose

of naturla than they are on T3 onyl. It is the things that change when

we get out of hypothyroid . Sounds to me liek you have weak adrenal

funciton which is not giving the proper signals or response to get the

sex hormones right. I was feelign hyper/hypo until I raised BOTHestrogen

and testosterone now thiings are near perfect. I am even able to

tolerate progesterone for th efirst time in my life! This is things

workign righ tbut they ALL have to be in place for pregnancy to happen.

Years of hypo DOES downregulate everythign in the body particularly the

sex hormones.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> The thing is that I am in a complete mess, I don't feel confortable about

doing the T3 protcol anymore. One of the reasons is that I am 41 and haven't

been able to get pregnant (I have been trying for many years). I am considering

IVF, but I fear no clinic will " accept " me taking T3 only. Other reason is that

I am so focussed on the protocol that I don't have any energy for other issues

in life. I spent all my day cheking this and that and getting really depressed

if temps are too high or too low, etc... Finally I am scared about the risks of

forgeting the meds, having an accident and not being properly medicated, etc...

> All these reasons I would put aside if I was actually feeling an improvement,

but I can't say I do. I did experience clearance, my temps are higher, my pulse

is higher, too high actually (so I guess T3 is getting into my cells), but I

still have hypo symptoms (?), and emotionally I am a wreck.

> I actually think all this is stressing me a lot and lately I am crying all the

time and feeling really hopeless. It seems clear for me that the kind of

psychological stress I am going through is hindering my progess, but I feel

trapped. My worse sympoms have always been " psychological " , panic attacks,

agoraphobia, OCD, derealization... and I see really no improvemt, actualy this

August has been really bad.

>

> I am considering going back to Natural Thyroid (ERFA) and try to work my

problems from there.

>

> Any comments will be most welcomed,

>

>>>>>>>>> I am having problems rising T3. I am now taking 75 Cynomel and I would

like to rise to see if I could feel better. I have had an awful month. I decided

to go of the little bit of antidepressant I was taking (10 mg Anafranil) and I

had a horrible month with panic attacks, insomnia, crying spells.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> However when I rise T3 I get a very fast heart rate (I wake up with

good heart rate, about 80, but during the day it gets above 100). Also I keep

loosing weight being already too thin. The fast heart rate happened to me before

(when I went up to 62.5 T3) and it eventually improved (I don't know exactly why

but the two things I did were to increase HC and to take 400 magnesium).

>>>>>>>>> I have posted a lot here, but everything (iron, aldosterone,

electrolites) seems to be O.K. according to this group. Only HC maybe wrong

(although all the test I did before supplementing came out right), but I am

supplementing 37.5 and still having problems rising T3. Could/Should I increase

HC? what about increasing the magnesium dose?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Thanks,

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

September 1, 2010

I've been taking 1000 mgs magnesium as per my cardiologist because I have atrial fibrillation and magnesium is calming to the heart.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>> Thanks Val,>> Sex hormones were good last time I checked (when I cleared about 4 months ago), except for testosterone which was low. However I am hesitating to supplement because I want to get pregnant... Can low testosterone cause problems tolerating T3?>> Electrolites are good also (I am supplementing both an labs are good and stable for several months already).>> I am taking now 400 magnesium, how much can one take?>> >>>> >>>>>>> I am having problems rising T3. I am now taking 75 Cynomel and I would like to rise to see if I could feel better. I have had an awful month. I decided to go of the little bit of antidepressant I was taking (10 mg Anafranil) and I had a horrible

month with panic attacks, insomnia, crying spells.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However when I rise T3 I get a very fast heart rate (I wake up with good heart rate, about 80, but during the day it gets above 100). Also I keep loosing weight being already too thin. The fast heart rate happened to me before (when I went up to 62.5 T3) and it eventually improved (I don't know exactly why but the two things I did were to increase HC and to take 400 magnesium).>>>>>>> I have posted a lot here, but everything (iron, aldosterone, electrolites) seems to be O.K. according to this group. Only HC maybe wrong (although all the test I did before supplementing came out right), but I am supplementing 37.5 and still having problems rising T3. Could/Should I increase HC? what about increasing the magnesium dose?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Thanks,>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

September 1, 2010

I am very interested in what the answer might be to supplementing testosterone with levels like yours and wanting to get pregnant.I am in exactly the same situation--except I AM undergoing ivf. My drs did switch me off of T3--but I think I had been on it long enough for my rT3 to have cleared a bit (although I know I am creating more rT3 now, but I have to just bite the bullet if I want the ivf treatment).My free testosterone never rose in value and it was almost zero. I had tried supplementing with DHEA (low dosage - 10mg a day) but do not believe I was converting it and have been wondering how it related to my rT3 problem (which I know is coming back from being put on T4 only). If DHEA is affected by high cortisol in converting, I can't see how that can be my problem because I am not taking much HC--unless my adrenals are

over producing it and they are burning out? I am at a loss as to what to do.Subject: [bULK] Re: Problems rising T3 / How much HC can one take? BUMPTo: RT3_T3 Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:29 AM

Thanks a lot for your answer Val,

Four months ago, just after clearance, I checked sex hormones, testosterone was very low, but estrogen was good I think:

testosterone: 0.04 ng/ml (0.3-7)

free testosterone: 0.86 pg/ml (range less than 2.6)

(day 21 of cycle):

progesterone: 20.49 ng/ml (3.28-38)

estradiol: 222.7 pg/ml (31-247 pg/ml)

As I said I have been hesitating to supplement testosterone because of wanting to get pregnant.

The thing is that according to labs everything is right (except for testosterone) and I am starting to believe that my problems are psychological, like my doctor said. The truth is that I have tremendous mood swings depending on whether I think things are going right or wrong. And those thoughts seem to affect my whole body, like a vicious cycle.

> >>>>>>>>> I am having problems rising T3. I am now taking 75 Cynomel and I would like to rise to see if I could feel better. I have had an awful month. I decided to go of the little bit of antidepressant I was taking (10 mg Anafranil) and I had a horrible month with panic attacks, insomnia, crying spells.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> However when I rise T3 I get a very fast heart rate (I wake up with good heart rate, about 80, but during the day it gets above 100). Also I keep loosing weight being already too thin. The fast heart rate happened to me before (when I went up to 62.5 T3) and it eventually improved (I don't know exactly why but the two things I did were to increase HC and to take 400 magnesium).

> >>>>>>>>> I have posted a lot here, but everything (iron, aldosterone, electrolites) seems to be O.K. according to this group. Only HC maybe wrong (although all the test I did before supplementing came out right), but I am supplementing 37.5 and still having problems rising T3. Could/Should I increase HC? what about increasing the magnesium dose?

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Thanks,

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

September 1, 2010

Why would you not want ANY hormone to be optimal to be PG? We are

nto talkign body builder doses here just NORMAL levels which every

woman needs ot be healthy.

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

I am very interested

in what the answer might be to supplementing testosterone

with levels like yours and wanting to get pregnant.

I am in exactly the same situation--except I AM undergoing

ivf.Â My drs did switch me off of T3--but I think I had

been on it long enough for my rT3 to have cleared a bit

(although I know I am creating more rT3 now, but I have to

just bite the bullet if I want the ivf treatment).

My free testosterone never rose in value and it was almost

zero.Â I had tried supplementing with DHEA (low dosage -

10mg a day) but do not believe I was converting it and

have been wondering how it related to my rT3 problem

(which I know is coming back from being put on T4 only).Â

If DHEA is affected by high cortisol in converting, I

can't see how that can be my problem because I am not

taking much HC--unless my adrenals are over producing it

and they are burning out?Â

I am at a loss as to what to do.

Subject: [bULK] Re: Problems rising T3 / How

much HC can one take? BUMP

To: RT3_T3

Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:29 AM

Â

Thanks a lot for your answer Val,

Four months ago, just after clearance, I checked

sex hormones, testosterone was very low, but

estrogen was good I think:

testosterone: 0.04 ng/ml (0.3-7)

free testosterone: 0.86 pg/ml (range less than

2.6)

(day 21 of cycle):

progesterone: 20.49 ng/ml (3.28-38)

estradiol: 222.7 pg/ml (31-247 pg/ml)

As I said I have been hesitating to supplement

testosterone because of wanting to get pregnant.

The thing is that according to labs everything is

right (except for testosterone) and I am starting

to believe that my problems are psychological,

like my doctor said. The truth is that I have

tremendous mood swings depending on whether I

think things are going right or wrong. And those

thoughts seem to affect my whole body, like a

vicious cycle.

> >>>>>>>>> I am

having problems rising T3. I am now taking 75

Cynomel and I would like to rise to see if I could

feel better. I have had an awful month. I decided

to go of the little bit of antidepressant I was

taking (10 mg Anafranil) and I had a horrible

month with panic attacks, insomnia, crying spells.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> However

when I rise T3 I get a very fast heart rate (I

wake up with good heart rate, about 80, but during

the day it gets above 100). Also I keep loosing

weight being already too thin. The fast heart rate

happened to me before (when I went up to 62.5 T3)

and it eventually improved (I don't know exactly

why but the two things I did were to increase HC

and to take 400 magnesium).

> >>>>>>>>> I have

posted a lot here, but everything (iron,

aldosterone, electrolites) seems to be O.K.

according to this group. Only HC maybe wrong

(although all the test I did before supplementing

came out right), but I am supplementing 37.5 and

still having problems rising T3. Could/Should I

increase HC? what about increasing the magnesium

dose?

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Thanks,

> >>>>>>>>>

------------------------------------

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> We are

not medical professionals here, just patients

sharing our experiences. Please use this

information with the help of a competent doctor.

September 1, 2010

Why would you not want ANY hormone to be optimal to be PG? We are

nto talkign body builder doses here just NORMAL levels which every

woman needs ot be healthy.

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

I am very interested

in what the answer might be to supplementing testosterone

with levels like yours and wanting to get pregnant.

I am in exactly the same situation--except I AM undergoing

ivf.Â My drs did switch me off of T3--but I think I had

been on it long enough for my rT3 to have cleared a bit

(although I know I am creating more rT3 now, but I have to

just bite the bullet if I want the ivf treatment).

My free testosterone never rose in value and it was almost

zero.Â I had tried supplementing with DHEA (low dosage -

10mg a day) but do not believe I was converting it and

have been wondering how it related to my rT3 problem

(which I know is coming back from being put on T4 only).Â

If DHEA is affected by high cortisol in converting, I

can't see how that can be my problem because I am not

taking much HC--unless my adrenals are over producing it

and they are burning out?Â

I am at a loss as to what to do.

Subject: [bULK] Re: Problems rising T3 / How

much HC can one take? BUMP

To: RT3_T3

Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:29 AM

Â

Thanks a lot for your answer Val,

Four months ago, just after clearance, I checked

sex hormones, testosterone was very low, but

estrogen was good I think:

testosterone: 0.04 ng/ml (0.3-7)

free testosterone: 0.86 pg/ml (range less than

2.6)

(day 21 of cycle):

progesterone: 20.49 ng/ml (3.28-38)

estradiol: 222.7 pg/ml (31-247 pg/ml)

As I said I have been hesitating to supplement

testosterone because of wanting to get pregnant.

The thing is that according to labs everything is

right (except for testosterone) and I am starting

to believe that my problems are psychological,

like my doctor said. The truth is that I have

tremendous mood swings depending on whether I

think things are going right or wrong. And those

thoughts seem to affect my whole body, like a

vicious cycle.

> >>>>>>>>> I am

having problems rising T3. I am now taking 75

Cynomel and I would like to rise to see if I could

feel better. I have had an awful month. I decided

to go of the little bit of antidepressant I was

taking (10 mg Anafranil) and I had a horrible

month with panic attacks, insomnia, crying spells.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> However

when I rise T3 I get a very fast heart rate (I

wake up with good heart rate, about 80, but during

the day it gets above 100). Also I keep loosing

weight being already too thin. The fast heart rate

happened to me before (when I went up to 62.5 T3)

and it eventually improved (I don't know exactly

why but the two things I did were to increase HC

and to take 400 magnesium).

> >>>>>>>>> I have

posted a lot here, but everything (iron,

aldosterone, electrolites) seems to be O.K.

according to this group. Only HC maybe wrong

(although all the test I did before supplementing

came out right), but I am supplementing 37.5 and

still having problems rising T3. Could/Should I

increase HC? what about increasing the magnesium

dose?

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Thanks,

> >>>>>>>>>

------------------------------------

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> We are

not medical professionals here, just patients

sharing our experiences. Please use this

information with the help of a competent doctor.

September 1, 2010

Why would you not want ANY hormone to be optimal to be PG? We are

nto talkign body builder doses here just NORMAL levels which every

woman needs ot be healthy.

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

I am very interested

in what the answer might be to supplementing testosterone

with levels like yours and wanting to get pregnant.

I am in exactly the same situation--except I AM undergoing

ivf.Â My drs did switch me off of T3--but I think I had

been on it long enough for my rT3 to have cleared a bit

(although I know I am creating more rT3 now, but I have to

just bite the bullet if I want the ivf treatment).

My free testosterone never rose in value and it was almost

zero.Â I had tried supplementing with DHEA (low dosage -

10mg a day) but do not believe I was converting it and

have been wondering how it related to my rT3 problem

(which I know is coming back from being put on T4 only).Â

If DHEA is affected by high cortisol in converting, I

can't see how that can be my problem because I am not

taking much HC--unless my adrenals are over producing it

and they are burning out?Â

I am at a loss as to what to do.

Subject: [bULK] Re: Problems rising T3 / How

much HC can one take? BUMP

To: RT3_T3

Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:29 AM

Â

Thanks a lot for your answer Val,

Four months ago, just after clearance, I checked

sex hormones, testosterone was very low, but

estrogen was good I think:

testosterone: 0.04 ng/ml (0.3-7)

free testosterone: 0.86 pg/ml (range less than

2.6)

(day 21 of cycle):

progesterone: 20.49 ng/ml (3.28-38)

estradiol: 222.7 pg/ml (31-247 pg/ml)

As I said I have been hesitating to supplement

testosterone because of wanting to get pregnant.

The thing is that according to labs everything is

right (except for testosterone) and I am starting

to believe that my problems are psychological,

like my doctor said. The truth is that I have

tremendous mood swings depending on whether I

think things are going right or wrong. And those

thoughts seem to affect my whole body, like a

vicious cycle.

> >>>>>>>>> I am

having problems rising T3. I am now taking 75

Cynomel and I would like to rise to see if I could

feel better. I have had an awful month. I decided

to go of the little bit of antidepressant I was

taking (10 mg Anafranil) and I had a horrible

month with panic attacks, insomnia, crying spells.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> However

when I rise T3 I get a very fast heart rate (I

wake up with good heart rate, about 80, but during

the day it gets above 100). Also I keep loosing

weight being already too thin. The fast heart rate

happened to me before (when I went up to 62.5 T3)

and it eventually improved (I don't know exactly

why but the two things I did were to increase HC

and to take 400 magnesium).

> >>>>>>>>> I have

posted a lot here, but everything (iron,

aldosterone, electrolites) seems to be O.K.

according to this group. Only HC maybe wrong

(although all the test I did before supplementing

came out right), but I am supplementing 37.5 and

still having problems rising T3. Could/Should I

increase HC? what about increasing the magnesium

dose?

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Thanks,

> >>>>>>>>>

------------------------------------

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> We are

not medical professionals here, just patients

sharing our experiences. Please use this

information with the help of a competent doctor.

September 1, 2010

OK I have to throw in my 2 cents here in regards to what you said about the doctor telling you your problems were all in your head. Have you visited the Stop the thyroid maddness website and read the doctors hall of shame page? Is this Doc a psychiatrist? Cause if he/she is not they have no business saying something like that to anyone. Just because they can't figure out how to help you/make you well they have no right to sya you are imagining things. While indeed some problems may be "in your head" that dosn't mean they don't have a biological origin. The brain and mood are affected hugely by hormones...all hormones, including the sex hormones, thyroid hormones and more. You absolutely need to get your hormones in balance. All of them. If you want to get pregnant it is even more important to get all this sorted out and

solved before you add the risks and challenges of pregnency to the mix. You also need to find a doc who is going to support you and listen to you and not belittle you!

Do your own reading and research and find a doc who supports this and wants to problem solve with you and not just sweep things under the rug or make you feel there is something wrong with your mental state.

I recently went into the ER with a horrid disease called pityriasis rosea. there is no cure and little is known about it. i was in agony feeling like a kazillion fire ants were stinging my arms and legs. I sufferred with this for 10 hours. When the doc finaly came in after I had been in the ER for 3 hours I was crying because of the pain. The first thing he wanted to do was prescribe and anti-anxiety medicine. I was like, "Um, NO. I don't have anxiety....I have pityriasis rosea and i am in agony here. Go look it up!" So Honey, do not accept a doc saying that to you if you feel your issues are biological. Remember depression and mood issues can be caused by hormone imbalances and hypothyroidism. We are all here to support you. You need a doc who will also.

best of luck,

Sharon

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Visit my website! http://ohyoubeautifuldoll.webs.com---

Subject: Re: [bULK] Re: Problems rising T3 / How much HC can one take? BUMPTo: RT3_T3 Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 8:36 PM

Why would you not want ANY hormone to be optimal to be PG? We are nto talkign body builder doses here just NORMAL levels which every woman needs ot be healthy.

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

I am very interested in what the answer might be to supplementing testosterone with levels like yours and wanting to get pregnant.I am in exactly the same situation--except I AM undergoing ivf. My drs did switch me off of T3--but I think I had been on it long enough for my rT3 to have cleared a bit (although I know I am creating more rT3 now, but I have to just bite the bullet if I want the ivf treatment).My free testosterone never rose in value and it was almost zero. I had tried supplementing with DHEA (low dosage - 10mg a day) but do not believe I was converting it and have been wondering how it related to my rT3 problem (which I know is coming back from being put on T4 only). If DHEA is affected by high cortisol in converting, I can't see how that can be my problem because I am not taking much HC--unless my adrenals are over producing it and they are burning out? I am at a loss as to what

to do.

Subject: [bULK] Re: Problems rising T3 / How much HC can one take? BUMPTo: RT3_T3 Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:29 AM

Thanks a lot for your answer Val,Four months ago, just after clearance, I checked sex hormones, testosterone was very low, but estrogen was good I think:testosterone: 0.04 ng/ml (0.3-7)free testosterone: 0.86 pg/ml (range less than 2.6)(day 21 of cycle):progesterone: 20.49 ng/ml (3.28-38)estradiol: 222.7 pg/ml (31-247 pg/ml)As I said I have been hesitating to supplement testosterone because of wanting to get pregnant.The thing is that according to labs everything is right (except for testosterone) and I am starting to believe that my problems are psychological, like my doctor said. The truth is that I have tremendous mood swings depending on whether I think things are going right or wrong. And those thoughts seem to affect my whole body, like a vicious cycle.> >>>>>>>>> I am having problems rising T3. I am now taking 75 Cynomel and I would like to rise to see if I could feel better. I have had an awful month. I decided to go of the little bit of antidepressant I was taking (10 mg Anafranil) and I had a horrible month with panic attacks, insomnia, crying spells.> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> However when I rise T3 I get a very fast heart rate (I wake up with good

heart rate, about 80, but during the day it gets above 100). Also I keep loosing weight being already too thin. The fast heart rate happened to me before (when I went up to 62.5 T3) and it eventually improved (I don't know exactly why but the two things I did were to increase HC and to take 400 magnesium).> >>>>>>>>> I have posted a lot here, but everything (iron, aldosterone, electrolites) seems to be O.K. according to this group. Only HC maybe wrong (although all the test I did before supplementing came out right), but I am supplementing 37.5 and still having problems rising T3. Could/Should I increase HC? what about increasing the magnesium dose?> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks,> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

September 1, 2010

OK I have to throw in my 2 cents here in regards to what you said about the doctor telling you your problems were all in your head. Have you visited the Stop the thyroid maddness website and read the doctors hall of shame page? Is this Doc a psychiatrist? Cause if he/she is not they have no business saying something like that to anyone. Just because they can't figure out how to help you/make you well they have no right to sya you are imagining things. While indeed some problems may be "in your head" that dosn't mean they don't have a biological origin. The brain and mood are affected hugely by hormones...all hormones, including the sex hormones, thyroid hormones and more. You absolutely need to get your hormones in balance. All of them. If you want to get pregnant it is even more important to get all this sorted out and

solved before you add the risks and challenges of pregnency to the mix. You also need to find a doc who is going to support you and listen to you and not belittle you!

Do your own reading and research and find a doc who supports this and wants to problem solve with you and not just sweep things under the rug or make you feel there is something wrong with your mental state.

I recently went into the ER with a horrid disease called pityriasis rosea. there is no cure and little is known about it. i was in agony feeling like a kazillion fire ants were stinging my arms and legs. I sufferred with this for 10 hours. When the doc finaly came in after I had been in the ER for 3 hours I was crying because of the pain. The first thing he wanted to do was prescribe and anti-anxiety medicine. I was like, "Um, NO. I don't have anxiety....I have pityriasis rosea and i am in agony here. Go look it up!" So Honey, do not accept a doc saying that to you if you feel your issues are biological. Remember depression and mood issues can be caused by hormone imbalances and hypothyroidism. We are all here to support you. You need a doc who will also.

best of luck,

Sharon

Remember! Dolls are people, too....have you hugged your dolls today?

Visit my website! http://ohyoubeautifuldoll.webs.com---

Subject: Re: [bULK] Re: Problems rising T3 / How much HC can one take? BUMPTo: RT3_T3 Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 8:36 PM

Why would you not want ANY hormone to be optimal to be PG? We are nto talkign body builder doses here just NORMAL levels which every woman needs ot be healthy.

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

I am very interested in what the answer might be to supplementing testosterone with levels like yours and wanting to get pregnant.I am in exactly the same situation--except I AM undergoing ivf. My drs did switch me off of T3--but I think I had been on it long enough for my rT3 to have cleared a bit (although I know I am creating more rT3 now, but I have to just bite the bullet if I want the ivf treatment).My free testosterone never rose in value and it was almost zero. I had tried supplementing with DHEA (low dosage - 10mg a day) but do not believe I was converting it and have been wondering how it related to my rT3 problem (which I know is coming back from being put on T4 only). If DHEA is affected by high cortisol in converting, I can't see how that can be my problem because I am not taking much HC--unless my adrenals are over producing it and they are burning out? I am at a loss as to what

to do.

Subject: [bULK] Re: Problems rising T3 / How much HC can one take? BUMPTo: RT3_T3 Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:29 AM

Thanks a lot for your answer Val,Four months ago, just after clearance, I checked sex hormones, testosterone was very low, but estrogen was good I think:testosterone: 0.04 ng/ml (0.3-7)free testosterone: 0.86 pg/ml (range less than 2.6)(day 21 of cycle):progesterone: 20.49 ng/ml (3.28-38)estradiol: 222.7 pg/ml (31-247 pg/ml)As I said I have been hesitating to supplement testosterone because of wanting to get pregnant.The thing is that according to labs everything is right (except for testosterone) and I am starting to believe that my problems are psychological, like my doctor said. The truth is that I have tremendous mood swings depending on whether I think things are going right or wrong. And those thoughts seem to affect my whole body, like a vicious cycle.> >>>>>>>>> I am having problems rising T3. I am now taking 75 Cynomel and I would like to rise to see if I could feel better. I have had an awful month. I decided to go of the little bit of antidepressant I was taking (10 mg Anafranil) and I had a horrible month with panic attacks, insomnia, crying spells.> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> However when I rise T3 I get a very fast heart rate (I wake up with good

heart rate, about 80, but during the day it gets above 100). Also I keep loosing weight being already too thin. The fast heart rate happened to me before (when I went up to 62.5 T3) and it eventually improved (I don't know exactly why but the two things I did were to increase HC and to take 400 magnesium).> >>>>>>>>> I have posted a lot here, but everything (iron, aldosterone, electrolites) seems to be O.K. according to this group. Only HC maybe wrong (although all the test I did before supplementing came out right), but I am supplementing 37.5 and still having problems rising T3. Could/Should I increase HC? what about increasing the magnesium dose?> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks,> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

September 1, 2010

OK I have to throw in my 2 cents here in regards to what you said about the doctor telling you your problems were all in your head. Have you visited the Stop the thyroid maddness website and read the doctors hall of shame page? Is this Doc a psychiatrist? Cause if he/she is not they have no business saying something like that to anyone. Just because they can't figure out how to help you/make you well they have no right to sya you are imagining things. While indeed some problems may be "in your head" that dosn't mean they don't have a biological origin. The brain and mood are affected hugely by hormones...all hormones, including the sex hormones, thyroid hormones and more. You absolutely need to get your hormones in balance. All of them. If you want to get pregnant it is even more important to get all this sorted out and

solved before you add the risks and challenges of pregnency to the mix. You also need to find a doc who is going to support you and listen to you and not belittle you!

Do your own reading and research and find a doc who supports this and wants to problem solve with you and not just sweep things under the rug or make you feel there is something wrong with your mental state.

I recently went into the ER with a horrid disease called pityriasis rosea. there is no cure and little is known about it. i was in agony feeling like a kazillion fire ants were stinging my arms and legs. I sufferred with this for 10 hours. When the doc finaly came in after I had been in the ER for 3 hours I was crying because of the pain. The first thing he wanted to do was prescribe and anti-anxiety medicine. I was like, "Um, NO. I don't have anxiety....I have pityriasis rosea and i am in agony here. Go look it up!" So Honey, do not accept a doc saying that to you if you feel your issues are biological. Remember depression and mood issues can be caused by hormone imbalances and hypothyroidism. We are all here to support you. You need a doc who will also.

best of luck,

Sharon

Remember! Dolls are people, too....have you hugged your dolls today?

Visit my website! http://ohyoubeautifuldoll.webs.com---

Subject: Re: [bULK] Re: Problems rising T3 / How much HC can one take? BUMPTo: RT3_T3 Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 8:36 PM

Why would you not want ANY hormone to be optimal to be PG? We are nto talkign body builder doses here just NORMAL levels which every woman needs ot be healthy.

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

I am very interested in what the answer might be to supplementing testosterone with levels like yours and wanting to get pregnant.I am in exactly the same situation--except I AM undergoing ivf. My drs did switch me off of T3--but I think I had been on it long enough for my rT3 to have cleared a bit (although I know I am creating more rT3 now, but I have to just bite the bullet if I want the ivf treatment).My free testosterone never rose in value and it was almost zero. I had tried supplementing with DHEA (low dosage - 10mg a day) but do not believe I was converting it and have been wondering how it related to my rT3 problem (which I know is coming back from being put on T4 only). If DHEA is affected by high cortisol in converting, I can't see how that can be my problem because I am not taking much HC--unless my adrenals are over producing it and they are burning out? I am at a loss as to what

to do.

Subject: [bULK] Re: Problems rising T3 / How much HC can one take? BUMPTo: RT3_T3 Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:29 AM

Thanks a lot for your answer Val,Four months ago, just after clearance, I checked sex hormones, testosterone was very low, but estrogen was good I think:testosterone: 0.04 ng/ml (0.3-7)free testosterone: 0.86 pg/ml (range less than 2.6)(day 21 of cycle):progesterone: 20.49 ng/ml (3.28-38)estradiol: 222.7 pg/ml (31-247 pg/ml)As I said I have been hesitating to supplement testosterone because of wanting to get pregnant.The thing is that according to labs everything is right (except for testosterone) and I am starting to believe that my problems are psychological, like my doctor said. The truth is that I have tremendous mood swings depending on whether I think things are going right or wrong. And those thoughts seem to affect my whole body, like a vicious cycle.> >>>>>>>>> I am having problems rising T3. I am now taking 75 Cynomel and I would like to rise to see if I could feel better. I have had an awful month. I decided to go of the little bit of antidepressant I was taking (10 mg Anafranil) and I had a horrible month with panic attacks, insomnia, crying spells.> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> However when I rise T3 I get a very fast heart rate (I wake up with good

heart rate, about 80, but during the day it gets above 100). Also I keep loosing weight being already too thin. The fast heart rate happened to me before (when I went up to 62.5 T3) and it eventually improved (I don't know exactly why but the two things I did were to increase HC and to take 400 magnesium).> >>>>>>>>> I have posted a lot here, but everything (iron, aldosterone, electrolites) seems to be O.K. according to this group. Only HC maybe wrong (although all the test I did before supplementing came out right), but I am supplementing 37.5 and still having problems rising T3. Could/Should I increase HC? what about increasing the magnesium dose?> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks,> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

September 1, 2010

I must have missed it--exactly WHAT hormone is someone suggesting to be overlooked or not wanting to be in normal range/optimal to be pregnant? I didn't see that.I also didn't see anything about body builder dosages.I mentioned that my particular problem seemed to be with free testosterone being under normal (it is practically zero), which I wouldn't think is normal, let alone 'body builder' territory.

Subject: [bULK] Re: Problems rising T3 / How

much HC can one take? BUMP

To: RT3_T3

Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:29 AM

Thanks a lot for your answer Val,

Four months ago, just after clearance, I checked

sex hormones, testosterone was very low, but

estrogen was good I think:

testosterone: 0.04 ng/ml (0.3-7)

free testosterone: 0.86 pg/ml (range less than

2.6)

(day 21 of cycle):

progesterone: 20.49 ng/ml (3.28-38)

estradiol: 222.7 pg/ml (31-247 pg/ml)

As I said I have been hesitating to supplement

testosterone because of wanting to get pregnant.

The thing is that according to labs everything is

right (except for testosterone) and I am starting

to believe that my problems are psychological,

like my doctor said. The truth is that I have

tremendous mood swings depending on whether I

think things are going right or wrong. And those

thoughts seem to affect my whole body, like a

vicious cycle.

> >>>>>>>>> I am

having problems rising T3. I am now taking 75

Cynomel and I would like to rise to see if I could

feel better. I have had an awful month. I decided

to go of the little bit of antidepressant I was

taking (10 mg Anafranil) and I had a horrible

month with panic attacks, insomnia, crying spells.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> However

when I rise T3 I get a very fast heart rate (I

wake up with good heart rate, about 80, but during

the day it gets above 100). Also I keep loosing

weight being already too thin. The fast heart rate

happened to me before (when I went up to 62.5 T3)

and it eventually improved (I don't know exactly

why but the two things I did were to increase HC

and to take 400 magnesium).

> >>>>>>>>> I have

posted a lot here, but everything (iron,

aldosterone, electrolites) seems to be O.K.

according to this group. Only HC maybe wrong

(although all the test I did before supplementing

came out right), but I am supplementing 37.5 and

still having problems rising T3. Could/Should I

increase HC? what about increasing the magnesium

dose?

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Thanks,

> >>>>>>>>>

------------------------------------

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> We are

not medical professionals here, just patients

sharing our experiences. Please use this

information with the help of a competent doctor.

September 1, 2010

I must have missed it--exactly WHAT hormone is someone suggesting to be overlooked or not wanting to be in normal range/optimal to be pregnant? I didn't see that.I also didn't see anything about body builder dosages.I mentioned that my particular problem seemed to be with free testosterone being under normal (it is practically zero), which I wouldn't think is normal, let alone 'body builder' territory.

Subject: [bULK] Re: Problems rising T3 / How

much HC can one take? BUMP

To: RT3_T3

Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:29 AM

Thanks a lot for your answer Val,

Four months ago, just after clearance, I checked

sex hormones, testosterone was very low, but

estrogen was good I think:

testosterone: 0.04 ng/ml (0.3-7)

free testosterone: 0.86 pg/ml (range less than

2.6)

(day 21 of cycle):

progesterone: 20.49 ng/ml (3.28-38)

estradiol: 222.7 pg/ml (31-247 pg/ml)

As I said I have been hesitating to supplement

testosterone because of wanting to get pregnant.

The thing is that according to labs everything is

right (except for testosterone) and I am starting

to believe that my problems are psychological,

like my doctor said. The truth is that I have

tremendous mood swings depending on whether I

think things are going right or wrong. And those

thoughts seem to affect my whole body, like a

vicious cycle.

> >>>>>>>>> I am

having problems rising T3. I am now taking 75

Cynomel and I would like to rise to see if I could

feel better. I have had an awful month. I decided

to go of the little bit of antidepressant I was

taking (10 mg Anafranil) and I had a horrible

month with panic attacks, insomnia, crying spells.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> However

when I rise T3 I get a very fast heart rate (I

wake up with good heart rate, about 80, but during

the day it gets above 100). Also I keep loosing

weight being already too thin. The fast heart rate

happened to me before (when I went up to 62.5 T3)

and it eventually improved (I don't know exactly

why but the two things I did were to increase HC

and to take 400 magnesium).

> >>>>>>>>> I have

posted a lot here, but everything (iron,

aldosterone, electrolites) seems to be O.K.

according to this group. Only HC maybe wrong

(although all the test I did before supplementing

came out right), but I am supplementing 37.5 and

still having problems rising T3. Could/Should I

increase HC? what about increasing the magnesium

dose?

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Thanks,

> >>>>>>>>>

------------------------------------

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> We are

not medical professionals here, just patients

sharing our experiences. Please use this

information with the help of a competent doctor.

September 1, 2010

I must have missed it--exactly WHAT hormone is someone suggesting to be overlooked or not wanting to be in normal range/optimal to be pregnant? I didn't see that.I also didn't see anything about body builder dosages.I mentioned that my particular problem seemed to be with free testosterone being under normal (it is practically zero), which I wouldn't think is normal, let alone 'body builder' territory.

Subject: [bULK] Re: Problems rising T3 / How

much HC can one take? BUMP

To: RT3_T3

Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:29 AM

Thanks a lot for your answer Val,

Four months ago, just after clearance, I checked

sex hormones, testosterone was very low, but

estrogen was good I think:

testosterone: 0.04 ng/ml (0.3-7)

free testosterone: 0.86 pg/ml (range less than

2.6)

(day 21 of cycle):

progesterone: 20.49 ng/ml (3.28-38)

estradiol: 222.7 pg/ml (31-247 pg/ml)

As I said I have been hesitating to supplement

testosterone because of wanting to get pregnant.

The thing is that according to labs everything is

right (except for testosterone) and I am starting

to believe that my problems are psychological,

like my doctor said. The truth is that I have

tremendous mood swings depending on whether I

think things are going right or wrong. And those

thoughts seem to affect my whole body, like a

vicious cycle.

> >>>>>>>>> I am

having problems rising T3. I am now taking 75

Cynomel and I would like to rise to see if I could

feel better. I have had an awful month. I decided

to go of the little bit of antidepressant I was

taking (10 mg Anafranil) and I had a horrible

month with panic attacks, insomnia, crying spells.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> However

when I rise T3 I get a very fast heart rate (I

wake up with good heart rate, about 80, but during

the day it gets above 100). Also I keep loosing

weight being already too thin. The fast heart rate

happened to me before (when I went up to 62.5 T3)

and it eventually improved (I don't know exactly

why but the two things I did were to increase HC

and to take 400 magnesium).

> >>>>>>>>> I have

posted a lot here, but everything (iron,

aldosterone, electrolites) seems to be O.K.

according to this group. Only HC maybe wrong

(although all the test I did before supplementing

came out right), but I am supplementing 37.5 and

still having problems rising T3. Could/Should I

increase HC? what about increasing the magnesium

dose?

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Thanks,

> >>>>>>>>>

------------------------------------

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> We are

not medical professionals here, just patients

sharing our experiences. Please use this

information with the help of a competent doctor.

September 2, 2010

I was simply sayign that a LITTLE testosteorne to bring your levels

up to normal is a GOOD thing for preganacy. WHy would you want any

hormone deficient to get PG? If the doc does nto want you to

supplement Testosterone it is due to his prejudices abotu body

biolders mis dosing to extreme levels nto US that need normal good

levels to be healthy.

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

I must have missed

it--exactly WHAT hormone is someone suggesting to be

overlooked or not wanting to be in normal range/optimal to

be pregnant? Â I didn't see that.

I also didn't see anything about body builder dosages.

I mentioned that my particular problem seemed to be with

free testosterone being under normal (it is practically

zero), which I wouldn't think is normal, let alone 'body

builder' territory.

Subject: [bULK] Re: Problems

rising T3 / How much HC can one take?

BUMP

To: RT3_T3

Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010,

10:29 AM

Â

Thanks a lot for your answer Val,

Four months ago, just after

clearance, I checked sex hormones,

testosterone was very low, but

estrogen was good I think:

testosterone: 0.04 ng/ml (0.3-7)

free testosterone: 0.86 pg/ml

(range less than 2.6)

(day 21 of cycle):

progesterone: 20.49 ng/ml

(3.28-38)

estradiol: 222.7 pg/ml (31-247

pg/ml)

As I said I have been hesitating

to supplement testosterone because

of wanting to get pregnant.

The thing is that according to

labs everything is right (except

for testosterone) and I am

starting to believe that my

problems are psychological, like

my doctor said. The truth is that

I have tremendous mood swings

depending on whether I think

things are going right or wrong.

And those thoughts seem to affect

my whole body, like a vicious

cycle.

>

>>>>>>>>>

I am having problems rising T3. I

am now taking 75 Cynomel and I

would like to rise to see if I

could feel better. I have had an

awful month. I decided to go of

the little bit of antidepressant I

was taking (10 mg Anafranil) and I

had a horrible month with panic

attacks, insomnia, crying spells.

>

>>>>>>>>>

>

>>>>>>>>>

However when I rise T3 I get a

very fast heart rate (I wake up

with good heart rate, about 80,

but during the day it gets above

100). Also I keep loosing weight

being already too thin. The fast

heart rate happened to me before

(when I went up to 62.5 T3) and it

eventually improved (I don't know

exactly why but the two things I

did were to increase HC and to

take 400 magnesium).

>

>>>>>>>>>

I have posted a lot here, but

everything (iron, aldosterone,

electrolites) seems to be O.K.

according to this group. Only HC

maybe wrong (although all the test

I did before supplementing came

out right), but I am supplementing

37.5 and still having problems

rising T3. Could/Should I increase

HC? what about increasing the

magnesium dose?

>

>>>>>>>>>

>

>>>>>>>>>

Thanks,

>

>>>>>>>>>

>

>>>>>>>>>

>

>>>>>>>>>

>

>>>>>>>>>

>

>>>>>>>>>

>

>>>>>>>>>

>

>>>>>>>>>

------------------------------------

>

>>>>>>>>>

>

>>>>>>>>>

We are not medical professionals

here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this

information with the help of a

competent doctor. Yahoo! Groups

Links

>

>>>>>>>>>

>

>>>>>>>>>

>

>>>>>>>>>

>

>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

------------------------------------

> >>>>>>>

We are not medical professionals

here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this

information with the help of a

competent doctor. Yahoo! Groups

Links

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>

------------------------------------

> >>>>>

> >>>>> We are

not medical professionals here,

just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this

information with the help of a

competent doctor. Yahoo! Groups

Links

> >>>>>

> >>>

------------------------------------

> >>>

> >>> We are not

medical professionals here, just

patients sharing our experiences.

Please use this information with

the help of a competent doctor.

September 2, 2010

I was simply sayign that a LITTLE testosteorne to bring your levels

up to normal is a GOOD thing for preganacy. WHy would you want any

hormone deficient to get PG? If the doc does nto want you to

supplement Testosterone it is due to his prejudices abotu body

biolders mis dosing to extreme levels nto US that need normal good

levels to be healthy.

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

I must have missed

it--exactly WHAT hormone is someone suggesting to be

overlooked or not wanting to be in normal range/optimal to

be pregnant? Â I didn't see that.

I also didn't see anything about body builder dosages.

I mentioned that my particular problem seemed to be with

free testosterone being under normal (it is practically

zero), which I wouldn't think is normal, let alone 'body

builder' territory.

Subject: [bULK] Re: Problems

rising T3 / How much HC can one take?

BUMP

To: RT3_T3

Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010,

10:29 AM

Â

Thanks a lot for your answer Val,

Four months ago, just after

clearance, I checked sex hormones,

testosterone was very low, but

estrogen was good I think:

testosterone: 0.04 ng/ml (0.3-7)

free testosterone: 0.86 pg/ml

(range less than 2.6)

(day 21 of cycle):

progesterone: 20.49 ng/ml

(3.28-38)

estradiol: 222.7 pg/ml (31-247

pg/ml)

As I said I have been hesitating

to supplement testosterone because

of wanting to get pregnant.

The thing is that according to

labs everything is right (except

for testosterone) and I am

starting to believe that my

problems are psychological, like

my doctor said. The truth is that

I have tremendous mood swings

depending on whether I think

things are going right or wrong.

And those thoughts seem to affect

my whole body, like a vicious

cycle.

>

>>>>>>>>>

I am having problems rising T3. I

am now taking 75 Cynomel and I

would like to rise to see if I

could feel better. I have had an

awful month. I decided to go of

the little bit of antidepressant I

was taking (10 mg Anafranil) and I

had a horrible month with panic

attacks, insomnia, crying spells.

>

>>>>>>>>>

>

>>>>>>>>>

However when I rise T3 I get a

very fast heart rate (I wake up

with good heart rate, about 80,

but during the day it gets above

100). Also I keep loosing weight

being already too thin. The fast

heart rate happened to me before

(when I went up to 62.5 T3) and it

eventually improved (I don't know

exactly why but the two things I

did were to increase HC and to

take 400 magnesium).

>

>>>>>>>>>

I have posted a lot here, but

everything (iron, aldosterone,

electrolites) seems to be O.K.

according to this group. Only HC

maybe wrong (although all the test

I did before supplementing came

out right), but I am supplementing

37.5 and still having problems

rising T3. Could/Should I increase

HC? what about increasing the

magnesium dose?

>

>>>>>>>>>

>

>>>>>>>>>

Thanks,

>

>>>>>>>>>

>

>>>>>>>>>

>

>>>>>>>>>

>

>>>>>>>>>

>

>>>>>>>>>

>

>>>>>>>>>

>

>>>>>>>>>

------------------------------------

>

>>>>>>>>>

>

>>>>>>>>>

We are not medical professionals

here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this

information with the help of a

competent doctor. Yahoo! Groups

Links

>

>>>>>>>>>

>

>>>>>>>>>

>

>>>>>>>>>

>

>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

------------------------------------

> >>>>>>>

We are not medical professionals

here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this

information with the help of a

competent doctor. Yahoo! Groups

Links

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>

------------------------------------

> >>>>>

> >>>>> We are

not medical professionals here,

just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this

information with the help of a

competent doctor. Yahoo! Groups

Links

> >>>>>

> >>>

------------------------------------

> >>>

> >>> We are not

medical professionals here, just

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September 2, 2010

I was simply sayign that a LITTLE testosteorne to bring your levels

up to normal is a GOOD thing for preganacy. WHy would you want any

hormone deficient to get PG? If the doc does nto want you to

supplement Testosterone it is due to his prejudices abotu body

biolders mis dosing to extreme levels nto US that need normal good

levels to be healthy.