q about t4 conversion to t4

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I will speak with Val next week but in meantime would so much appreciate clarification if I am doing this right, since the doc had only told me to lower by 1 grain the NDT (I was on 2 Grains), and to add only one 12.5 mcg. Well, I am going outside the doctor's instructions on which I never have done well, and I did 1 grain NDT and 12.5mcg for about 1 week; then upped to 12.5mcg 2x/day, and took away remaining grain NDT. After about 3 days, I added a 6.25mcg T3, so am currently on 12.5mcg at 6AM, 12PM noon, and then 6.25 at around 6PM. Is this correct? My symptoms are I am getting tired during the day and I wake up still tired......also very hungry. Does this mean I need more T3? I am wondering if I had stayed on partial NDT and T3 if that would have worked? From what I read here, it would not have I don't

think........but I hope I am on the right track.

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>My symptoms are I am getting tired during the day and I wake up still

tired......also very hungry.  Does this mean I need more T3?   I am wondering if

I had stayed on partial NDT and T3 if that would have worked?  From what I read

here, it would not have I don't think........but I hope I am on the right track.

You are in the right area, you ought to start feeling a little hypo

after a few days and then be ready for another 6.25

There are dosing suggestions on the web site in my sig.

http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

is the dosing page but have a look through the whole site.

You also need to have iron checked if you havn't done so already and

at least do a temperature stability check for adrenals if you don't do

the saliva test.

Nick

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for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

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iron 108 and i was already on isocort. when i started T3........>My symptoms are I am getting tired during the day and I wake up still tired......also very hungry. Does this mean I need more T3? I am wondering if I had stayed on partial NDT and T3 if that would have worked? From what I read here, it would not have I don't think........but I hope I am on the right track.You are in the right area, you ought to start feeling a little hypoafter a few days and then be ready for another 6.25There are dosing suggestions on the web site in my sig.http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htmis the dosing page but have a look through the whole site.You also need to have iron checked if you havn't done so already andat least do a temperature stability check for adrenals if you don't dothe saliva test.Nick--

for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.com

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oh nick and if i add another 6.25 in a few days, should that be then 12.5mcg three times/day then? >My symptoms are I am getting tired during the day and I wake up still tired......also very hungry. Does this mean I need more T3? I am wondering if I had stayed on partial NDT and T3 if that would have worked? From what I read here, it would not have I don't think........but I hope I am on the right track.You are in the right area, you ought to start feeling a little hypoafter a few days and then be ready for another 6.25There are dosing suggestions on the web site in my sig.http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htmis the dosing page but have a look through the whole site.You also need to have iron checked if you havn't done so already andat least do a temperature stability check for adrenals if you don't dothe saliva test.Nick--

for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.com

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>oh nick and if i add another 6.25 in a few days, should that be then 12.5mcg 

three times/day then? 

3 times a day is not enough for some people, especially with weak

adrenals

Have a read of here

http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

Nick

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for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

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>iron 108 and i was already on isocort. when i started T3........

Remind me, are average temperatures stable from day to day??

Isocort might not be enough now you are on a better thyroid dose

Nick

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my temps have already been low & unstable as they still are..........>>iron 108 and i was already on isocort. when i started T3........Remind me, are average temperatures stable from day to day??Isocort might not be enough now you are on a better thyroid doseNick-- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.com

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Nick, I'm only wondering if I don't have enough T4 which is what is making me so tired......I never got tired in the day like I do now, is this normal?>>oh nick and if i add another 6.25 in a few days, should that be then 12.5mcg three times/day then? 3 times a day is not enough for some people, especially with weakadrenalsHave a read of herehttp://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htmNick-- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.com

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>Nick, I'm only wondering if I don't have enough T4 which is what is making me

so tired......I never got tired in the day like I do now, is this normal?

T4 is only a " storage hormone " and had no direct biological effect as

far as I can tell (my levels have been virtually zero for around 12

months now)

tired in the day is normally either not enough T3, poor timing to the

T3 or adrenal issues which can be preventing the T3 getting into the

cells.

Low iron levels (not just ferritin, that can give false highs) can

also prevent the hormone getting through to the system. A full iron

panel and post the results here for interpretation might help.

Nick

--

for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

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on my last test, my iron was 108 (range 50-200) and ferritin 106 (10-291) and cortisol AM (blood) was 20 (5-25). He read these results on phone and was supposed to mail to me & I haven't recd yet, maybe they were more complete. A couple months previously a different doc took cortisol saliva that seemed to come out ok:

Cortisol:

8AM: 5.79 (3-6)

1:30PM: 1.34 (.5-2.5)

4PM: 1.46 (.25-1.25)

10PM: .41 (.15-0.5)

The thing is that all these symptoms I have now I never had before; my husband asked this morning why I am sleeping so much, I have a bad stomach, I'm thinking very bad, I can't concentrate, in general i feel absolutely horrible, i was thinking maybe i went too fast with the T3 and maybe I should add 1/4 g. NDT and take out the 6.25mcg T3 I am taking at 6PM and just take 25mcg/day instead for a couple weeks until I see if my symptoms stabilize......?? This morning I changed the 12.5mcg dose to 1/2 of that in order to spread it out more during the day.......BTW, I am still taking l pill of iron per day as well as Vit D3..........and magnesium. I don't have energy anymore and I hate the way I feel........>>Nick, I'm only wondering if I don't have enough T4 which is what is making me so tired......I never got tired in the day like I do now, is this normal?T4 is only a "storage hormone" and had no direct biological effect asfar as I can tell (my levels have been virtually zero for around 12months now)tired in the day is normally either not enough T3, poor timing to theT3 or adrenal issues which can be preventing the T3 getting into thecells.Low iron levels (not just ferritin, that can give false highs) canalso prevent the hormone getting through to the system. A full ironpanel and post the results here for interpretation might help.Nick-- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.com

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Nick is right -- lack of t4 does not make you tired as it is t3 that does all

the work -- t4 is only there so it can convert into t3.

When you start t3 (or any thyroid meds), your own thyroid production drops so

you have to keep increasing (as tolerated of course) to make up for this and

then some until you finally get onto enough to feel well. I think Nick usually

says after an increase, you'll start to feel a bit hypo again in a little while

and that's when you need to bump up the t3.

You're on a pretty low dose of t3, not even at 37.5 yet. No wonder you feel

tired! That is enough to suppress your own t4 but not enough to give you the t3

you need.

I would raise if I were you and you are not having issues tolerating increases.

It doesn't look like you have low cortisol. You DO look like your iron is too

low, though. Are you taking iron??

Kathleen

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> >oh nick and if i add another 6.25 in a few days, should that be then

12.5mcg  three times/day then? 

>

> 3 times a day is not enough for some people, especially with weak

> adrenals

>

> Have a read of here

>

> http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

>

> Nick

>

> --

>

> for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

>

> www.thyroid-rt3.com

>

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Thank you Kathleen, yes I am taking l pill of the bluebonnets, I think I will increase that also......it's hard to calculate with these pills when i have to take iron apart from the others, and spreading out the T3 so much during the day......it's just when i was on 2 grain NDT and nothing else I felt good with energy, never tired, no pains, it's just my hair was falling out, i had night sweats, bad sleep etc.....but i was never tired like this. I had high FT3 but my ratio was low at 11.........

So i'm still confused, if before i had 4.5 FT3 I understand that maybe it wasn't getting to the cells (was this b/c I was taking NDT?). So now that I stopped all T4, is this then assurance the T3 will get to the cells? Sorry, I am a nitwit with this.......

Subject: Re: q about t4 conversion to t4To: RT3_T3 Date: Sunday, July 18, 2010, 11:55 AM

,Nick is right -- lack of t4 does not make you tired as it is t3 that does all the work -- t4 is only there so it can convert into t3.When you start t3 (or any thyroid meds), your own thyroid production drops so you have to keep increasing (as tolerated of course) to make up for this and then some until you finally get onto enough to feel well. I think Nick usually says after an increase, you'll start to feel a bit hypo again in a little while and that's when you need to bump up the t3.You're on a pretty low dose of t3, not even at 37.5 yet. No wonder you feel tired! That is enough to suppress your own t4 but not enough to give you the t3 you need.I would raise if I were you and you are not having issues tolerating increases. It doesn't look like you have low cortisol. You DO look like your iron is too low, though. Are you taking iron??Kathleen> >

>> >oh nick and if i add another 6.25 in a few days, should that be then 12.5mcg three times/day then? > > 3 times a day is not enough for some people, especially with weak> adrenals> > Have a read of here> > http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm> > Nick> > -- > > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to > > www.thyroid-rt3.com>

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Your adrenals are weak enough ot warrant a trial of Isocort I would try

3-3-2-1 in a four hour dosing pattern. Your iron is also a BIT low, not

bad, but some and these two htings are enough to cause your symotims.

T4 sdoes nto give us energy. It gives us either T3 or RT3. T3 is what

gives us energy but it has ot be able to work properly.

http://nthadrenalsweb.org/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://faqhelp.webs.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

on my last test,  my iron was 108 (range 50-200) and

ferritin 106 (10-291) and cortisol AM (blood) was 20  (5-25).  He read

these results on phone and was supposed to mail to me & I haven't

recd yet, maybe they were more complete.  A couple months previously a

different doc took cortisol saliva that seemed to come out ok:

Cortisol:

8AM:                                                  

            5.79    

(3-6)

1:30PM:                                             

            1.34    

(.5-2.5)

4PM:                                                  

            1.46    

(.25-1.25)

10PM:                                                

            .41      

(.15-0.5)

The thing is that all these symptoms I have now I never

had before; my husband asked this morning why I am sleeping so much, I

have a bad stomach, I'm thinking very bad, I can't concentrate, in

general i feel absolutely horrible, i was thinking maybe i went too

fast with the T3 and maybe I should add 1/4 g. NDT and take out the

6.25mcg T3 I am taking at 6PM and just take 25mcg/day instead for a

couple weeks until I see if my symptoms stabilize......??  This morning

I changed the 12.5mcg dose to 1/2 of that in order to spread it out

more during the day.......BTW, I am still taking l pill of iron per day

as well as Vit D3..........and magnesium.  I don't have energy anymore

and I hate the way I feel........

>

>Nick, I'm only wondering if I don't have enough T4 which is what is

making me so tired......I never got tired in the day like I do now, is

this normal?

T4 is only a "storage hormone" and had no direct biological effect as

far as I can tell (my levels have been virtually zero for around 12

months now)

tired in the day is normally either not enough T3, poor timing to the

T3 or adrenal issues which can be preventing the T3 getting into the

cells.

Low iron levels (not just ferritin, that can give false highs) can

also prevent the hormone getting through to the system. A full iron

panel and post the results here for interpretation might help.

Nick

--

for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

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thanks Val and everyone........I will toss that NDT pill I was going to take, and just stay on T3 .........I have been on isocort though, especially the AM dose, but I am going to continue this and the iron and steadily increase T3 as per Nick's chart and hope I can endure.>>Nick, I'm only wondering if I don't have enough T4 which is what is making me so tired......I never got tired in the day like I do now, is this normal?T4 is only a "storage hormone" and had no direct biological effect asfar as I can tell (my levels have been virtually zero for around 12months now)tired in the day is normally either not enough T3, poor timing to theT3 or adrenal issues which can be preventing the T3 getting into thecells.Low iron levels (not just ferritin, that can give false highs) canalso prevent the hormone getting through to the system. A full ironpanel and post the results here for interpretation might help.Nick-- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-

rt3.com

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>Thank you Kathleen, yes I am taking l pill of the bluebonnets, I think I will

increase that also......it's hard to calculate with these pills when i have to

take iron apart from the others, and spreading out the T3 so much during the

day....

Most people need up to 8 a day of the Bluebonnet, they are 27mg per

pill if you have the ones I am thinking of.

You would need to take 4 in the morning and 4 in the evening. Don't

start on that dose, build up over a week or two

You can take the T3 sublingually, that way you can take it the same

time as iron. put it in your mouth, crunch it up, and put the crushed

tablet under your tongue and leave it there for a little while, that

way it doesn't meet the iron in your digestive tract and hence does

not bind to it.

>..it's just when i was on 2 grain NDT and nothing else I felt good with energy,

never tired, no pains, it's just my hair was falling out, i had night sweats,

bad sleep etc.....but i was never tired like this.  I had high FT3 but my ratio

was low at 11.........

night sweats, sleep etc are adrenal issues, hair falling out can be

iron or hypo.

>So i'm still confused, if before i had 4.5 FT3 I understand that maybe it

wasn't getting to the cells (was this b/c I was taking NDT?).  So now that I

stopped all T4, is this then assurance the T3 will get to the cells?  Sorry, I

am a nitwit with this.......

ok, the T3 wasn't getting through, potentially due to iron, cortisol,

or RT3.

If it was RT3 then you get rid of that by getting rid of T4, you do

this by taking enough T3 to lower TSH and stop your own thyroid

producing T4. With no more T3 the RT3 is not replaced as it decays and

after 12 weeks or so the receptors clear as well as the blood.

You need iron and adrenals to be correct for this to work

Nick

--

for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

For lots of good information of adrenal issues

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/

and the adrenal group on

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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>Thank you Kathleen, yes I am taking l pill of the bluebonnets, I think I will

increase that also......it's hard to calculate with these pills when i have to

take iron apart from the others, and spreading out the T3 so much during the

day....

Most people need up to 8 a day of the Bluebonnet, they are 27mg per

pill if you have the ones I am thinking of.

You would need to take 4 in the morning and 4 in the evening. Don't

start on that dose, build up over a week or two

You can take the T3 sublingually, that way you can take it the same

time as iron. put it in your mouth, crunch it up, and put the crushed

tablet under your tongue and leave it there for a little while, that

way it doesn't meet the iron in your digestive tract and hence does

not bind to it.

>..it's just when i was on 2 grain NDT and nothing else I felt good with energy,

never tired, no pains, it's just my hair was falling out, i had night sweats,

bad sleep etc.....but i was never tired like this.  I had high FT3 but my ratio

was low at 11.........

night sweats, sleep etc are adrenal issues, hair falling out can be

iron or hypo.

>So i'm still confused, if before i had 4.5 FT3 I understand that maybe it

wasn't getting to the cells (was this b/c I was taking NDT?).  So now that I

stopped all T4, is this then assurance the T3 will get to the cells?  Sorry, I

am a nitwit with this.......

ok, the T3 wasn't getting through, potentially due to iron, cortisol,

or RT3.

If it was RT3 then you get rid of that by getting rid of T4, you do

this by taking enough T3 to lower TSH and stop your own thyroid

producing T4. With no more T3 the RT3 is not replaced as it decays and

after 12 weeks or so the receptors clear as well as the blood.

You need iron and adrenals to be correct for this to work

Nick

--

for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

For lots of good information of adrenal issues

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/

and the adrenal group on

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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Nick, thank you so much. But my tsh has been almost non-existent so I don't know how I can lower it....(.03).......this is where I am confused. My iron was 108 so I thought it was ok but I started building up to 2/day, but I get bad stomach when I take too much.....my cortisol last blood reading was 20 so the doc said he thought it was too high, but I am still on cortisol........so the cynomel (Mexican) can be taken sublingually then?>Thank you Kathleen, yes I am taking l pill of the bluebonnets, I think I will increase that also......it's hard to calculate with these pills when i have to take iron apart from the others, and spreading out the T3 so much during the day....Most people need up to 8 a day of the Bluebonnet, they are 27mg perpill if you have the ones I am thinking of.You would need to take 4 in the morning and 4 in the evening. Don'tstart on that dose, build up over a week or twoYou can take the T3 sublingually, that way you can take it the sametime as iron. put it in your mouth, crunch it up, and put the crushedtablet under your tongue and leave it there for a little while, thatway it doesn't meet the iron in your digestive tract and hence doesnot bind to it.>..it's just when i was on 2 grain NDT and nothing else I felt good with energy, never

tired, no pains, it's just my hair was falling out, i had night sweats, bad sleep etc.....but i was never tired like this. I had high FT3 but my ratio was low at 11.........night sweats, sleep etc are adrenal issues, hair falling out can beiron or hypo.>So i'm still confused, if before i had 4.5 FT3 I understand that maybe it wasn't getting to the cells (was this b/c I was taking NDT?). So now that I stopped all T4, is this then assurance the T3 will get to the cells? Sorry, I am a nitwit with this.......ok, the T3 wasn't getting through, potentially due to iron, cortisol,or RT3.If it was RT3 then you get rid of that by getting rid of T4, you dothis by taking enough T3 to lower TSH and stop your own thyroidproducing T4. With no more T3 the RT3 is not replaced as it decays andafter 12 weeks or so the receptors clear as well as the blood.You need iron and adrenals to be

correct for this to workNick-- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.comFor lots of good information of adrenal issues http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/and the adrenal group onhttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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>Nick, thank you so much.  But my tsh has been almost non-existent so I don't

know how I can lower it....(.03).......this is where I am confused. 

That's where we want it. Your own thyroid will be shut down which is

good. You will still have a lot of T4 in your blood from taking the

natural though, this will take weeks to decay away.

As this reduces you will need to increase the T3 to keep yourself from

going hypo

>My iron was 108 so I thought it was ok but I started building up to 2/day, but

I get bad stomach when I take too much....

That's why I said increase slowly and take it twice a day, kinder on

the stomach. Take vitamin C with it, that helps absorption and at the

same time helps the stomach

>.my cortisol last blood reading was 20 so the doc said he thought it was too

high, but I am still on cortisol.....

The preferred cortisol test is saliva but you can't take that while on

HC.

The best way of knowing if you are on enough HC is to graph the

average daily temperature and look for stability within .2F from day

to day. The lowest dose of HC where temperature remains stable is the

best dose to be on

>...so the cynomel (Mexican) can be taken sublingually then?

Yes, works well like that

Nick

--

for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

For lots of good information of adrenal issues

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/

and the adrenal group on

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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thanks again Nick.........this was my May saliva cortisol:

Cortisol:

8AM: 5.79 (3-6)

1:30PM: 1.34 (.5-2.5)

4PM: 1.46 (.25-1.25)

10PM: .41 (.15-0.5)

I am currently taking 3 in AM, 3 at 1PM and 1 in the afternoon.

I will increase iron.

My tsh for about the last year prior to taking T3 was between .01--.03, that's why I am worried it will disappear completely. I have only been on T3 for 10 days now. I am also hashimotos if that changes anything.....

>Nick, thank you so much. But my tsh has been almost non-existent so I don't know how I can lower it....(.03).......this is where I am confused. That's where we want it. Your own thyroid will be shut down which isgood. You will still have a lot of T4 in your blood from taking thenatural though, this will take weeks to decay away.As this reduces you will need to increase the T3 to keep yourself fromgoing hypo>My iron was 108 so I thought it was ok but I started building up to 2/day, but I get bad stomach when I take too much....That's why I said increase slowly and take it twice a day, kinder onthe stomach. Take vitamin C with it, that helps absorption and at thesame time helps the stomach>.my cortisol last blood reading was 20 so the doc said he thought it was too high, but I am still on

cortisol.....The preferred cortisol test is saliva but you can't take that while onHC.The best way of knowing if you are on enough HC is to graph theaverage daily temperature and look for stability within .2F from dayto day. The lowest dose of HC where temperature remains stable is thebest dose to be on>...so the cynomel (Mexican) can be taken sublingually then?Yes, works well like thatNick-- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.comFor lots of good information of adrenal issues http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/and the adrenal group onhttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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>thanks again Nick.........this was my May saliva cortisol:

>Cortisol:

>8AM:                                                               5.79    

(3-6)

>1:30PM:                                                          1.34    

(.5-2.5)

>4PM:                                                               1.46    

(.25-1.25)

>10PM:                                                             .41      

(.15-0.5)

They look pretty good to me, I am not an adrenal specialist though,

the adrenal group is a better place to check that out

I presume you had been off any adrenal support for 2 weeks before that

test?

>I am currently taking 3 in AM, 3 at 1PM and 1 in the afternoon.

Is that Isocort you are talking about? Did you add it after that test?

did you benefit from it?

>I will increase iron.

Good

>My tsh for about the last year prior to taking T3 was between .01--.03, that's

why I am worried it will disappear completely.  I have only been on T3 for 10

days now.  I am also hashimotos if that changes anything..... 

TSH won't be lower on T3 only than on T4/T3 mix. It is the " demand

signal " sent to your thyroid to tell it to produce hormone and keeping

it low keeps your thyroid " turned off " and keeps the Hashi antibodies

quiet in the process.

Nick

--

for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

For lots of good information of adrenal issues

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/

and the adrenal group on

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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actually i was not off adrenal support (isocort) when I took all those tests. All the docs? said it didn't matter. You know even that doctor wanted to test my T levels and I told him I had already taken my thyroid meds that day (my appt was at 4PM).....and he said literally 'it doesn't matter, it will tell me if the thyroid meds are working"....(I decided not to test them that day)....I had always thought not to take thyroid meds before you test.........now how am i going to test later my thyroid tests if I am on T3.......don't I have to be off for 2 wks also before I test? I thought I had read that somewhere...........by the way Nick, I am not getting tired in the day anymore; but my temps are still uneven............>thanks again Nick.........this was my May saliva cortisol:>Cortisol:>8AM: 5.79 (3-6)>1:30PM: 1.34

(.5-2.5)>4PM: 1.46 (.25-1.25)>10PM: .41 (.15-0.5)They look pretty good to me, I am not an adrenal specialist though,the adrenal group is a better place to

check that outI presume you had been off any adrenal support for 2 weeks before thattest?>I am currently taking 3 in AM, 3 at 1PM and 1 in the afternoon.Is that Isocort you are talking about? Did you add it after that test?did you benefit from it?>I will increase iron.Good>My tsh for about the last year prior to taking T3 was between .01--.03, that's why I am worried it will disappear completely. I have only been on T3 for 10 days now. I am also hashimotos if that changes anything..... TSH won't be lower on T3 only than on T4/T3 mix. It is the "demandsignal" sent to your thyroid to tell it to produce hormone and keepingit low keeps your thyroid "turned off" and keeps the Hashi antibodiesquiet in the process.Nick-- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.comFor lots of good

information of adrenal issues http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/and the adrenal group onhttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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>actually i was not off adrenal support (isocort) when I took all those tests. 

All the docs? said it didn't matter.

Ah, that means the perfect looking numbers are not so perfect, Saliva

tests go very high when taking any oral supplements.

>  You know even that doctor wanted to test my T levels and I told him I had

already taken my thyroid meds that day (my appt was at 4PM).....and he said

literally 'it doesn't matter, it will tell me if the thyroid meds are

working " ....(I decided not to test them that day)....I had always thought not to

take thyroid meds before you test.........now how am i going to test later my

thyroid tests if I am on T3

Thyroid meds are best tested in the morning, don't take that day's

meds before you test, wait till after. a time without of 10 to 12

hours or so

>.......don't I have to be off for 2 wks also before I test?  I thought I had

read that somewhere...........by the way Nick, I am not getting tired in the day

anymore; but my temps are still uneven............

Thyroid tests 12 hours off, Adrenal saliva 2 weeks off, you can tell

if you are on enough by temperature stability.

If you are not feeling tired that's a good sign!

If you are off adrenal support and temperatures are unstable then

maybe it's time to check saliva again.

The temperature we go on is the averages at the times specified and

compare that average from day to day

Nick

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for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

For lots of good information of adrenal issues

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/

and the adrenal group on

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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My temps are still very low.......and I am still on 37mcg of T3 (now is around 2 wks that I started T3)........do I stay on this dose w/o increasing until my temps stabilize and how do I stabilize my temps, only with adrenal support which I am still on? (by the way, I AM starting to feel slugglish tired at night and mornings).....so do I stay on the T3? >>actually i was not off adrenal support (isocort) when I took all those tests. All the docs? said it didn't matter.Ah, that means the perfect looking numbers are not so perfect, Salivatests go very high when taking any oral supplements.> You know even that doctor wanted to test my T levels and I told him I had already taken my thyroid meds that day (my appt was at 4PM).....and he said literally 'it doesn't matter, it will tell me if the thyroid meds are working"....(I decided not to test them that day)....I had always thought not to take thyroid meds before you test.........now how am i going to test later my thyroid tests if I am on T3Thyroid meds are best tested in the morning, don't take that day'smeds before you test, wait till after. a time without of 10 to 12hours or so>.......don't I have to be off for 2 wks

also before I test? I thought I had read that somewhere...........by the way Nick, I am not getting tired in the day anymore; but my temps are still uneven............Thyroid tests 12 hours off, Adrenal saliva 2 weeks off, you can tellif you are on enough by temperature stability.If you are not feeling tired that's a good sign!If you are off adrenal support and temperatures are unstable thenmaybe it's time to check saliva again.The temperature we go on is the averages at the times specified andcompare that average from day to dayNick-- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.comFor lots of good information of adrenal issues http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/and the adrenal group onhttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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also, if i go off adrenal support for 2 wks in order to test properly, won't that compromise my treatment ? does that mean i have to stop T3 also? then i would be in limbo for sure with no adrenal support nor thyroid treatment...............confused again>>actually i was not off adrenal support (isocort) when I took all those tests. All the docs? said it didn't matter.Ah, that means the perfect looking numbers are not so perfect, Salivatests go very high when taking any oral supplements.> You know even that doctor wanted to test my T levels and I told him I had already taken my thyroid meds that day (my appt was at 4PM).....and he said literally 'it doesn't matter, it will tell me if the thyroid meds are working"....(I decided not to test them that day)....I had always thought not to take thyroid meds before you test.........now how am i going to test later my thyroid tests if I am on T3Thyroid meds are best tested in the morning, don't take that day'smeds before you test, wait till after. a time without of 10 to 12hours or so>.......don't I have to be off for 2 wks

also before I test? I thought I had read that somewhere...........by the way Nick, I am not getting tired in the day anymore; but my temps are still uneven............Thyroid tests 12 hours off, Adrenal saliva 2 weeks off, you can tellif you are on enough by temperature stability.If you are not feeling tired that's a good sign!If you are off adrenal support and temperatures are unstable thenmaybe it's time to check saliva again.The temperature we go on is the averages at the times specified andcompare that average from day to dayNick-- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.comFor lots of good information of adrenal issues http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/and the adrenal group onhttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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Sounds liek you are due to increase T3. It tkes 12 weeks to clear RT3

and really get UNHYPO and usually 75-100mcg T3.

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.org/

http://www.health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://www.faqhelp.webs.com/

http://www.health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

My temps are still very low.......and I am still on 37mcg

of T3 (now is around 2 wks that I started T3)........do I stay on this

dose w/o increasing until my temps stabilize and how do I stabilize my

temps, only with adrenal support which I am still on?  (by the way, I

AM starting to feel slugglish tired at night and mornings).....so do I

stay on the T3? 

>

>actually i was not off adrenal support (isocort) when I took all

those tests.  All the docs? said it didn't matter.

Ah, that means the perfect looking numbers are not so perfect, Saliva

tests go very high when taking any oral supplements.

>  You know even that doctor wanted to test my T levels and I told

him I had already taken my thyroid meds that day (my appt was at

4PM).....and he said literally 'it doesn't matter, it will tell me if

the thyroid meds are working"....(I decided not to test them that

day)....I had always thought not to take thyroid meds before you

test.........now how am i going to test later my thyroid tests if I am

on T3

Thyroid meds are best tested in the morning, don't take that day's

meds before you test, wait till after. a time without of 10 to 12

hours or so

>.......don't I have to be off for 2 wks also before I test?  I

thought I had read that somewhere...........by the way Nick, I am not

getting tired in the day anymore; but my temps are still

uneven............

Thyroid tests 12 hours off, Adrenal saliva 2 weeks off, you can tell

if you are on enough by temperature stability.

If you are not feeling tired that's a good sign!

If you are off adrenal support and temperatures are unstable then

maybe it's time to check saliva again.

The temperature we go on is the averages at the times specified and

compare that average from day to day

Nick

--

for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

For lots of good information of adrenal issues

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com/

and the adrenal group on

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/