Re: Propanolol for Adrenaline Symptoms

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Subject: Propanolol for Adrenaline SymptomsTo: RT3_T3 Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 10:10 AM

Hello and Nick:I read on the adrenals forum that propanolol can be used judiciously to handle adrenaline attacks (not regularly but as a last ditch resort).My adrenals crashed 6 months ago from substituting for Armour when it became unavailable. My brief history is 4 years ago, at age 46, I got abrupt peri sx's and what I now understand to be adrenal crash symptoms when I weaned my son. At that time I was diagnosed Hashi's, stage 5 adrenal fatigue, peri. My rT3 ratio then was 15. These symptoms were handled for 3 years by an ND that prescribed Isocort, Armour and BHRT and a lot of supplements. I had (what I now believe to have been) low adrenal episodes every few months that always responded to increased estrogen/progesterone ratio and consistently improved over the years (I thought). Since Amour unavailable, 7 usuccessful trials with throid meds, severe adrenaline symptoms

episodically while still on thyroid, now constant mild to severe for 3 months since off all thyroid.My ND gave me Lentra and 5-HTP, which help a tiny bit for the adrenaline. She had me try Xanax which unpredictably put me to sleep for several hours but worsened the adrenaline symptoms upon waking as an experiment to see how much of the problem was physiological and how much was my reaction to it. I do not feel Xanax helped me enough to justify taking it. She then put me on 25mgs. Propanolol (10-5-10) everyday to help. It does seem to have helped a little and I have been taking it a couple months. I know this blocks T3-T4 conversion and I will want to be off it asap. But right now I am working on stabilizing my adrenals in preparation to begin back on thyroid med. So my question is: is there a more effective way to take Propanolol right now to help with the severe adrenaline symptoms

until I get stabilized on HC? Should I be dosing it differently? Thanks in advance,Terri------------------------------------We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

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Hello Roni:

Thanks for your reply. Yes, I am aware that I do not want to be on this or any

other uneccessary med. I'm quite nervous about that too. But the adrenaline

episodes I am suffering are so severe and debilitating and constant (I have a

young child to care for) that my ND said we could use it as a crutch while

figuring out the hormone issues we hope are underlying it. Since then she has

become quite confused about my case and I have involved one of the top docs

listed on Janie and Shomon's websites. She is the doc that put me on HC,

about the time I discovered this and related sites. The new doc has said don't

change anything else...one thing at a time...until we get adrenals stabilized,

which makes sense to me.

I guess what I am really thinking is...would it be more effective and less

dangerous to use propanolol episodically than regularly at this point. The ND

seemed to think it was something that had to be used one off (ie public

speaking) or consistently if needed for several months potentially.

At this point I have thought about a cardiac workup but my new thyroid doc says

no...if I had a true arrythmia I would have a fast pulse (low 60's before

propanolol, now low 50's). She is sure I am hypothyroid but thinks I may not

even need thyroid med once my adrenals are stable. I do not know how much she

knows about rT3 though. My rT3 shot up at exactly the same time these symptoms

happened. My ratios were never above 20 before but the absolute rT3 number was

much lower. I am hoping to get insight into this here.

Have you had any similar experiences?

Terri

>

>

>

> Subject: Propanolol for Adrenaline Symptoms

> To: RT3_T3

> Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 10:10 AM

>

>

> Hello and Nick:

>

> I read on the adrenals forum that propanolol can be used judiciously to handle

adrenaline attacks (not regularly but as a last ditch resort).

>

> My adrenals crashed 6 months ago from substituting for Armour when it became

unavailable.  My brief history is 4 years ago, at age 46, I got abrupt peri sx's

and what I now understand to be adrenal crash symptoms when I weaned my son.  At

that time I was diagnosed Hashi's, stage 5 adrenal fatigue, peri.  My rT3 ratio

then was 15.  These symptoms were handled for 3 years by an ND that prescribed

Isocort, Armour and BHRT and a lot of supplements.  I had (what I now believe to

have been) low adrenal episodes every few months that always responded to

increased estrogen/progesterone ratio and consistently improved over the years

(I thought).  Since Amour unavailable, 7 usuccessful trials with throid meds,

severe adrenaline symptoms episodically while still on thyroid, now constant

mild to severe for 3 months since off all thyroid.

>

> My ND gave me Lentra and 5-HTP, which help a tiny bit for the adrenaline.  She

had me try Xanax which unpredictably put me to sleep for several hours but

worsened the adrenaline symptoms upon waking as an experiment to see how much of

the problem was physiological and how much was my reaction to it.  I do not feel

Xanax helped me enough to justify taking it.  She then put me on 25mgs.

Propanolol (10-5-10) everyday to help.  It does seem to have helped a little and

I have been taking it a couple months.  I know this blocks T3-T4 conversion and

I will want to be off it asap. 

>

> But right now I am working on stabilizing my adrenals in preparation to begin

back on thyroid med. 

>

> So my question is:  is there a more effective way to take Propanolol right now

to help with the severe adrenaline symptoms until I get stabilized on HC? 

Should I be dosing it differently?

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Terri

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences.

Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Yahoo! Groups

Links

>

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Terri

you said:

" adrenaline episodes "

would you please describe what they are in your case?

ow it makes you feel? what exactly happens?

-- Propanolol for Adrenaline Symptoms

> To: RT3_T3

> Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 10:10 AM

>

>

> Hello and Nick:

>

> I read on the adrenals forum that propanolol can be

used judiciously to handle adrenaline attacks (not

regularly but as a last ditch resort).

>

> My adrenals crashed 6 months ago from substituting

for Armour when it became unavailable.  My brief

history is 4 years ago, at age 46, I got abrupt peri

sx's and what I now understand to be adrenal crash

symptoms when I weaned my son.  At that time I was

diagnosed Hashi's, stage 5 adrenal fatigue, peri.  My

rT3 ratio then was 15.  These symptoms were handled

for 3 years by an ND that prescribed Isocort, Armour

and BHRT and a lot of supplements.  I had (what I now

believe to have been) low adrenal episodes every few

months that always responded to increased

estrogen/progesterone ratio and consistently improved

over the years (I thought).  Since Amour unavailable,

7 usuccessful trials with throid meds, severe

adrenaline symptoms episodically while still on

thyroid, now constant mild to severe for 3 months

since off all thyroid.

>

> My ND gave me Lentra and 5-HTP, which help a tiny

bit for the adrenaline.  She had me try Xanax which

unpredictably put me to sleep for several hours but

worsened the adrenaline symptoms upon waking as an

experiment to see how much of the problem was

physiological and how much was my reaction to it.  I

do not feel Xanax helped me enough to justify taking

it.  She then put me on 25mgs. Propanolol (10-5-10)

everyday to help.  It does seem to have helped a

little and I have been taking it a couple months.  I

know this blocks T3-T4 conversion and I will want to

be off it asap. 

>

> But right now I am working on stabilizing my

adrenals in preparation to begin back on thyroid med. 

>

> So my question is:  is there a more effective way

to take Propanolol right now to help with the severe

adrenaline symptoms until I get stabilized on HC? 

Should I be dosing it differently?

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Terri

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> We are not medical professionals here, just

patients sharing our experiences. Please use this

information with the help of a competent doctor.

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What abotu taking HC in a proper dosage as THAT stops the adrnealine. I

cna never understand taking a DRUG when a hormone is what oyu need.

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> Hello and Nick:

>

> I read on the adrenals forum that propanolol can be used judiciously to handle

adrenaline attacks (not regularly but as a last ditch resort).

>

> My adrenals crashed 6 months ago from substituting for Armour when it became

unavailable. My brief history is 4 years ago, at age 46, I got abrupt peri sx's

and what I now understand to be adrenal crash symptoms when I weaned my son. At

that time I was diagnosed Hashi's, stage 5 adrenal fatigue, peri. My rT3 ratio

then was 15. These symptoms were handled for 3 years by an ND that prescribed

Isocort, Armour and BHRT and a lot of supplements. I had (what I now believe to

have been) low adrenal episodes every few months that always responded to

increased estrogen/progesterone ratio and consistently improved over the years

(I thought). Since Amour unavailable, 7 usuccessful trials with throid meds,

severe adrenaline symptoms episodically while still on thyroid, now constant

mild to severe for 3 months since off all thyroid.

>

> My ND gave me Lentra and 5-HTP, which help a tiny bit for the adrenaline. She

had me try Xanax which unpredictably put me to sleep for several hours but

worsened the adrenaline symptoms upon waking as an experiment to see how much of

the problem was physiological and how much was my reaction to it. I do not feel

Xanax helped me enough to justify taking it. She then put me on 25mgs.

Propanolol (10-5-10) everyday to help. It does seem to have helped a little and

I have been taking it a couple months. I know this blocks T3-T4 conversion and

I will want to be off it asap.

>

> But right now I am working on stabilizing my adrenals in preparation to begin

back on thyroid med.

>

> So my question is: is there a more effective way to take Propanolol right now

to help with the severe adrenaline symptoms until I get stabilized on HC?

Should I be dosing it differently?

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Terri

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences.

Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Yahoo! Groups

Links

>

>

>

>

>

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Hello Hunter:

Yes...

They usually start at 4am, but on a bad night will go all night, every half hour

to hour. I wake with a varying sense of impending doom and sensation that

something has or is about to happen. This has no bearing on reality and I have

generally not been dreaming or stressing about something. (I have no history of

panic or anxiety or insomnia whatsoever.) I am shaking internally, have strong

heart palpitations but a slow pulse, sometimes I will be sweating, sometimes

not, sometimes a sensation of slight breathlessness, strong anxiety sensation,

alert/ready, very stable highish (99-100) blood glucose, no appetite-no blood

sugar fluctuations-losing weight due to this, within minutes to an hour frequent

bowel movements until evacuated, followed by rectal spasms with pain radiating

to posterior vaginal/anal area. I also get a squeezing wave or surge sensation

going up my back flanks, sometimes an actual ache in those areas and sometimes a

feeling of vague achy pain over my liver area under my ribs on the right front

or back. When severe, the surge sensations were unbearable, like being plugged

into an electrical socket and my whole body was very fatigued from them and the

all-over muscle tension and contraction of them.

Since I have been off thyroid meds, these episodes have become more constant but

less intense. The only time they are very intense now seems to be the day after

severe stress (today). I have had two periods of ALMOST COMPLETE RELIEF from

these symptoms since I started HC a month ago but it has not been lasting. I am

currently on 35mgs. HC (10-10-7.5-5.2.5) and 10mgs. SR-HC at bedtime the last 4

days.

The periods of relief I have gotten concided with starting or increasing my HC

and occured 3 to 9 days into a new dose level and lasted 2 weeks, each time

before crashing again. I am hoping to stablize on this new higher dose level

and am waiting for lab results to check iron/ferritin, b-12, thyroid and sex

hormone levels, and vit.D. I have lab result from before this, relatively

recently, but have not posted them since they're incomplete for the analysis

here and new ones are on the way.

Btw, I have Hashi's, dx'd by tpo and tga 4 years ago.

I look forward to gaining insight from you and the others here. I hope this

post is appropriate to this forum. There is a lot of overlap on these topics

but coinciding with these episodes, my rT3 level went WAY up. My ratios were

never above 20 before but my absolute rT3 levels were lower and the ratios were

higher than now.

Terri

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > From: terriq_tq <71553.360@>

>

> > Subject: Propanolol for Adrenaline Symptoms

>

> > To: RT3_T3

>

> > Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 10:10 AM

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Hello and Nick:

>

> >

>

> > I read on the adrenals forum that propanolol can be

> used judiciously to handle adrenaline attacks (not

> regularly but as a last ditch resort).

>

> >

>

> > My adrenals crashed 6 months ago from substituting

> for Armour when it became unavailable.  My brief

> history is 4 years ago, at age 46, I got abrupt peri

> sx's and what I now understand to be adrenal crash

> symptoms when I weaned my son.  At that time I was

> diagnosed Hashi's, stage 5 adrenal fatigue, peri.  My

> rT3 ratio then was 15.  These symptoms were handled

> for 3 years by an ND that prescribed Isocort, Armour

> and BHRT and a lot of supplements.  I had (what I now

> believe to have been) low adrenal episodes every few

> months that always responded to increased

> estrogen/progesterone ratio and consistently improved

> over the years (I thought).  Since Amour unavailable,

> 7 usuccessful trials with throid meds, severe

> adrenaline symptoms episodically while still on

> thyroid, now constant mild to severe for 3 months

> since off all thyroid.

>

> >

>

> > My ND gave me Lentra and 5-HTP, which help a tiny

> bit for the adrenaline.  She had me try Xanax which

> unpredictably put me to sleep for several hours but

> worsened the adrenaline symptoms upon waking as an

> experiment to see how much of the problem was

> physiological and how much was my reaction to it.  I

> do not feel Xanax helped me enough to justify taking

> it.  She then put me on 25mgs. Propanolol (10-5-10)

> everyday to help.  It does seem to have helped a

> little and I have been taking it a couple months.  I

> know this blocks T3-T4 conversion and I will want to

> be off it asap. 

>

> >

>

> > But right now I am working on stabilizing my

> adrenals in preparation to begin back on thyroid med. 

>

> >

>

> > So my question is:  is there a more effective way

> to take Propanolol right now to help with the severe

> adrenaline symptoms until I get stabilized on HC? 

> Should I be dosing it differently?

>

> >

>

> > Thanks in advance,

>

> >

>

> > Terri

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > ------------------------------------

>

> >

>

> > We are not medical professionals here, just

> patients sharing our experiences. Please use this

> information with the help of a competent doctor.

>

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Hello :

Yes this is what makes sense to me too.

I increased HC and changed dosing four days ago per your recommendation from

37.5 to 45 total (including 10mgs. SR at bedtime). I know it can take up to 2

weeks to stabilize on a new dose of HC though, so it seems like I should go that

long before I make any changes?

But I have not had relief yet and am wondering if I am doing more harm than good

taking the propanolol every day at this point and maybe it would be just as

effective and less dangerous to take it only when I am having severe adrenaline

episodes? Do you know anything about transitioning off of it effectively in

this situation? It's been my assumption that it would be easy once the

adrenaline stopped, which it has twice in the last 6 weeks but not lasting.

I think I need to understand better too, when and how to start stress dosing. I

have assumed I should not do this until I am on a stable consistent dose of HC,

to allow for determining what that level is.

Thank you very much for your help and your time,

Terri

> > Hello and Nick:

> >

> > I read on the adrenals forum that propanolol can be used judiciously to

handle adrenaline attacks (not regularly but as a last ditch resort).

> >

> > My adrenals crashed 6 months ago from substituting for Armour when it became

unavailable. My brief history is 4 years ago, at age 46, I got abrupt peri sx's

and what I now understand to be adrenal crash symptoms when I weaned my son. At

that time I was diagnosed Hashi's, stage 5 adrenal fatigue, peri. My rT3 ratio

then was 15. These symptoms were handled for 3 years by an ND that prescribed

Isocort, Armour and BHRT and a lot of supplements. I had (what I now believe to

have been) low adrenal episodes every few months that always responded to

increased estrogen/progesterone ratio and consistently improved over the years

(I thought). Since Amour unavailable, 7 usuccessful trials with throid meds,

severe adrenaline symptoms episodically while still on thyroid, now constant

mild to severe for 3 months since off all thyroid.

> >

> > My ND gave me Lentra and 5-HTP, which help a tiny bit for the adrenaline.

She had me try Xanax which unpredictably put me to sleep for several hours but

worsened the adrenaline symptoms upon waking as an experiment to see how much of

the problem was physiological and how much was my reaction to it. I do not feel

Xanax helped me enough to justify taking it. She then put me on 25mgs.

Propanolol (10-5-10) everyday to help. It does seem to have helped a little and

I have been taking it a couple months. I know this blocks T3-T4 conversion and

I will want to be off it asap.

> >

> > But right now I am working on stabilizing my adrenals in preparation to

begin back on thyroid med.

> >

> > So my question is: is there a more effective way to take Propanolol right

now to help with the severe adrenaline symptoms until I get stabilized on HC?

Should I be dosing it differently?

> >

> > Thanks in advance,

> >

> > Terri

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

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Your adrenals wil never get caught up if your T3 is too lwo. I believe

this is what is going on. You raise the cortils and find releif but it

is short liveds as it ussesd up what little T3 you have whihc then

stresses the adrnealas nore and causes brain chemicla imbalances. You

need ot get soime thyroi dstarted ., Propanolol woill only make this

situation worse.

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http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

http://artisticgrooming.net/

> Hello Hunter:

>

> Yes...

>

> They usually start at 4am, but on a bad night will go all night, every half

hour to hour. I wake with a varying sense of impending doom and sensation that

something has or is about to happen. This has no bearing on reality and I have

generally not been dreaming or stressing about something. (I have no history of

panic or anxiety or insomnia whatsoever.) I am shaking internally, have strong

heart palpitations but a slow pulse, sometimes I will be sweating, sometimes

not, sometimes a sensation of slight breathlessness, strong anxiety sensation,

alert/ready, very stable highish (99-100) blood glucose, no appetite-no blood

sugar fluctuations-losing weight due to this, within minutes to an hour frequent

bowel movements until evacuated, followed by rectal spasms with pain radiating

to posterior vaginal/anal area. I also get a squeezing wave or surge sensation

going up my back flanks, sometimes an actual ache in those areas and sometimes a

feeling of vague achy pain over my liver area under my ribs on the right front

or back. When severe, the surge sensations were unbearable, like being plugged

into an electrical socket and my whole body was very fatigued from them and the

all-over muscle tension and contraction of them.

>

> Since I have been off thyroid meds, these episodes have become more constant

but less intense. The only time they are very intense now seems to be the day

after severe stress (today). I have had two periods of ALMOST COMPLETE RELIEF

from these symptoms since I started HC a month ago but it has not been lasting.

I am currently on 35mgs. HC (10-10-7.5-5.2.5) and 10mgs. SR-HC at bedtime the

last 4 days.

>

> The periods of relief I have gotten concided with starting or increasing my HC

and occured 3 to 9 days into a new dose level and lasted 2 weeks, each time

before crashing again. I am hoping to stablize on this new higher dose level

and am waiting for lab results to check iron/ferritin, b-12, thyroid and sex

hormone levels, and vit.D. I have lab result from before this, relatively

recently, but have not posted them since they're incomplete for the analysis

here and new ones are on the way.

>

> Btw, I have Hashi's, dx'd by tpo and tga 4 years ago.

>

> I look forward to gaining insight from you and the others here. I hope this

post is appropriate to this forum. There is a lot of overlap on these topics

but coinciding with these episodes, my rT3 level went WAY up. My ratios were

never above 20 before but my absolute rT3 levels were lower and the ratios were

higher than now.

>

> Terri

>

>

>

>

>

>>>

>>

>>>

>>

>>>

>>

>>> From: terriq_tq<71553.360@>

>>>

>>

>>> Subject: Propanolol for Adrenaline Symptoms

>>>

>>

>>> To: RT3_T3

>>>

>>

>>> Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 10:10 AM

>>>

>>

>>>

>>

>>>

>>

>>> Hello and Nick:

>>>

>>

>>>

>>

>>> I read on the adrenals forum that propanolol can be

>>>

>> used judiciously to handle adrenaline attacks (not

>> regularly but as a last ditch resort).

>>

>>

>>>

>>

>>> My adrenals crashed 6 months ago from substituting

>>>

>> for Armour when it became unavailable. My brief

>> history is 4 years ago, at age 46, I got abrupt peri

>> sx's and what I now understand to be adrenal crash

>> symptoms when I weaned my son. At that time I was

>> diagnosed Hashi's, stage 5 adrenal fatigue, peri. My

>> rT3 ratio then was 15. These symptoms were handled

>> for 3 years by an ND that prescribed Isocort, Armour

>> and BHRT and a lot of supplements. I had (what I now

>> believe to have been) low adrenal episodes every few

>> months that always responded to increased

>> estrogen/progesterone ratio and consistently improved

>> over the years (I thought). Since Amour unavailable,

>> 7 usuccessful trials with throid meds, severe

>> adrenaline symptoms episodically while still on

>> thyroid, now constant mild to severe for 3 months

>> since off all thyroid.

>>

>>

>>>

>>

>>> My ND gave me Lentra and 5-HTP, which help a tiny

>>>

>> bit for the adrenaline. She had me try Xanax which

>> unpredictably put me to sleep for several hours but

>> worsened the adrenaline symptoms upon waking as an

>> experiment to see how much of the problem was

>> physiological and how much was my reaction to it. I

>> do not feel Xanax helped me enough to justify taking

>> it. She then put me on 25mgs. Propanolol (10-5-10)

>> everyday to help. It does seem to have helped a

>> little and I have been taking it a couple months. I

>> know this blocks T3-T4 conversion and I will want to

>> be off it asap.Â

>>

>>

>>>

>>

>>> But right now I am working on stabilizing my

>>>

>> adrenals in preparation to begin back on thyroid med.Â

>>

>>

>>>

>>

>>> So my question is:Â is there a more effective way

>>>

>> to take Propanolol right now to help with the severe

>> adrenaline symptoms until I get stabilized on HC?Â

>> Should I be dosing it differently?

>>

>>

>>>

>>

>>> Thanks in advance,

>>>

>>

>>>

>>

>>> Terri

>>>

>>

>>>

>>

>>>

>>

>>>

>>

>>>

>>

>>>

>>

>>>

>>

>>>

>>

>>>

>>

>>>

>>

>>> ------------------------------------

>>>

>>

>>>

>>

>>> We are not medical professionals here, just

>>>

>> patients sharing our experiences. Please use this

>> information with the help of a competent doctor.

>>

[Guest guest]

I would stop the Propanolol except fopr a FULL BLOWN panic attack. That

and A-Fib are the ONLY times I would recommend it. Other wise it is a

dangerous drug as far as I am concerned. You onloy need stable tmps for

3 days to start thyrid meds. NOT two weeks.

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http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

http://artisticgrooming.net/

> Hello :

>

> Yes this is what makes sense to me too.

>

> I increased HC and changed dosing four days ago per your recommendation from

37.5 to 45 total (including 10mgs. SR at bedtime). I know it can take up to 2

weeks to stabilize on a new dose of HC though, so it seems like I should go that

long before I make any changes?

>

> But I have not had relief yet and am wondering if I am doing more harm than

good taking the propanolol every day at this point and maybe it would be just as

effective and less dangerous to take it only when I am having severe adrenaline

episodes? Do you know anything about transitioning off of it effectively in

this situation? It's been my assumption that it would be easy once the

adrenaline stopped, which it has twice in the last 6 weeks but not lasting.

>

> I think I need to understand better too, when and how to start stress dosing.

I have assumed I should not do this until I am on a stable consistent dose of

HC, to allow for determining what that level is.

>

> Thank you very much for your help and your time,

>

> Terri

>

>

>

>

>>

>>> Hello and Nick:

>>>

>>> I read on the adrenals forum that propanolol can be used judiciously to

handle adrenaline attacks (not regularly but as a last ditch resort).

>>>

>>> My adrenals crashed 6 months ago from substituting for Armour when it became

unavailable. My brief history is 4 years ago, at age 46, I got abrupt peri sx's

and what I now understand to be adrenal crash symptoms when I weaned my son. At

that time I was diagnosed Hashi's, stage 5 adrenal fatigue, peri. My rT3 ratio

then was 15. These symptoms were handled for 3 years by an ND that prescribed

Isocort, Armour and BHRT and a lot of supplements. I had (what I now believe to

have been) low adrenal episodes every few months that always responded to

increased estrogen/progesterone ratio and consistently improved over the years

(I thought). Since Amour unavailable, 7 usuccessful trials with throid meds,

severe adrenaline symptoms episodically while still on thyroid, now constant

mild to severe for 3 months since off all thyroid.

>>>

>>> My ND gave me Lentra and 5-HTP, which help a tiny bit for the adrenaline.

She had me try Xanax which unpredictably put me to sleep for several hours but

worsened the adrenaline symptoms upon waking as an experiment to see how much of

the problem was physiological and how much was my reaction to it. I do not feel

Xanax helped me enough to justify taking it. She then put me on 25mgs.

Propanolol (10-5-10) everyday to help. It does seem to have helped a little and

I have been taking it a couple months. I know this blocks T3-T4 conversion and

I will want to be off it asap.

>>>

>>> But right now I am working on stabilizing my adrenals in preparation to

begin back on thyroid med.

>>>

>>> So my question is: is there a more effective way to take Propanolol right

now to help with the severe adrenaline symptoms until I get stabilized on HC?

Should I be dosing it differently?

>>>

>>> Thanks in advance,

>>>

>>> Terri

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> ------------------------------------

>>>

>>> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

[Guest guest]

:

Very interesting, thank you. So essentially I will need to begin T-3 treatment

before I feel stable adrenally if that doesn't happen within a couple weeks?

(I was on Armour previous to this crash but have been unable to tolerate it.)

How does one go about increasing T-3 before adrenals are stable?

I will have new labs in a couple days, I will post them. Then I think you will

probably recommend straight T-3 unless my iron panel shows something unexpected.

(My last ferritin was 54 but I did not have a complete panel with it.)

Terri

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> From: terriq_tq<71553.360@>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> Subject: Propanolol for Adrenaline Symptoms

> >>>

> >>

> >>> To: RT3_T3

> >>>

> >>

> >>> Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 10:10 AM

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> Hello and Nick:

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> I read on the adrenals forum that propanolol can be

> >>>

> >> used judiciously to handle adrenaline attacks (not

> >> regularly but as a last ditch resort).

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> My adrenals crashed 6 months ago from substituting

> >>>

> >> for Armour when it became unavailable. My brief

> >> history is 4 years ago, at age 46, I got abrupt peri

> >> sx's and what I now understand to be adrenal crash

> >> symptoms when I weaned my son. At that time I was

> >> diagnosed Hashi's, stage 5 adrenal fatigue, peri. My

> >> rT3 ratio then was 15. These symptoms were handled

> >> for 3 years by an ND that prescribed Isocort, Armour

> >> and BHRT and a lot of supplements. I had (what I now

> >> believe to have been) low adrenal episodes every few

> >> months that always responded to increased

> >> estrogen/progesterone ratio and consistently improved

> >> over the years (I thought). Since Amour unavailable,

> >> 7 usuccessful trials with throid meds, severe

> >> adrenaline symptoms episodically while still on

> >> thyroid, now constant mild to severe for 3 months

> >> since off all thyroid.

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> My ND gave me Lentra and 5-HTP, which help a tiny

> >>>

> >> bit for the adrenaline. She had me try Xanax which

> >> unpredictably put me to sleep for several hours but

> >> worsened the adrenaline symptoms upon waking as an

> >> experiment to see how much of the problem was

> >> physiological and how much was my reaction to it. I

> >> do not feel Xanax helped me enough to justify taking

> >> it. She then put me on 25mgs. Propanolol (10-5-10)

> >> everyday to help. It does seem to have helped a

> >> little and I have been taking it a couple months. I

> >> know this blocks T3-T4 conversion and I will want to

> >> be off it asap.Â

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> But right now I am working on stabilizing my

> >>>

> >> adrenals in preparation to begin back on thyroid med.Â

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> So my question is:Â is there a more effective way

> >>>

> >> to take Propanolol right now to help with the severe

> >> adrenaline symptoms until I get stabilized on HC?Â

> >> Should I be dosing it differently?

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> Thanks in advance,

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> Terri

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> ------------------------------------

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> We are not medical professionals here, just

> >>>

> >> patients sharing our experiences. Please use this

> >> information with the help of a competent doctor.

> >>

[Guest guest]

If your temps are stable for three days you r adrenals ARE stable enough

ot introduce T3. WIht high Rt3 it is VERY likely your intolerance was to

the T4 in armour.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://faqhelp.webs.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

http://artisticgrooming.net/

>

> :

>

> Very interesting, thank you. So essentially I will need to begin T-3

treatment before I feel stable adrenally if that doesn't happen within a couple

weeks? (I was on Armour previous to this crash but have been unable to

tolerate it.)

>

> How does one go about increasing T-3 before adrenals are stable?

>

> I will have new labs in a couple days, I will post them. Then I think you

will probably recommend straight T-3 unless my iron panel shows something

unexpected. (My last ferritin was 54 but I did not have a complete panel with

it.)

>

> Terri

>

>

>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> From: terriq_tq<71553.360@>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> Subject: Propanolol for Adrenaline Symptoms

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> To: RT3_T3

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 10:10 AM

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> Hello and Nick:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> I read on the adrenals forum that propanolol can be

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>> used judiciously to handle adrenaline attacks (not

>>>> regularly but as a last ditch resort).

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> My adrenals crashed 6 months ago from substituting

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>> for Armour when it became unavailable. My brief

>>>> history is 4 years ago, at age 46, I got abrupt peri

>>>> sx's and what I now understand to be adrenal crash

>>>> symptoms when I weaned my son. At that time I was

>>>> diagnosed Hashi's, stage 5 adrenal fatigue, peri. My

>>>> rT3 ratio then was 15. These symptoms were handled

>>>> for 3 years by an ND that prescribed Isocort, Armour

>>>> and BHRT and a lot of supplements. I had (what I now

>>>> believe to have been) low adrenal episodes every few

>>>> months that always responded to increased

>>>> estrogen/progesterone ratio and consistently improved

>>>> over the years (I thought). Since Amour unavailable,

>>>> 7 usuccessful trials with throid meds, severe

>>>> adrenaline symptoms episodically while still on

>>>> thyroid, now constant mild to severe for 3 months

>>>> since off all thyroid.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> My ND gave me Lentra and 5-HTP, which help a tiny

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>> bit for the adrenaline. She had me try Xanax which

>>>> unpredictably put me to sleep for several hours but

>>>> worsened the adrenaline symptoms upon waking as an

>>>> experiment to see how much of the problem was

>>>> physiological and how much was my reaction to it. I

>>>> do not feel Xanax helped me enough to justify taking

>>>> it. She then put me on 25mgs. Propanolol (10-5-10)

>>>> everyday to help. It does seem to have helped a

>>>> little and I have been taking it a couple months. I

>>>> know this blocks T3-T4 conversion and I will want to

>>>> be off it asap.Â

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> But right now I am working on stabilizing my

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>> adrenals in preparation to begin back on thyroid med.Â

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> So my question is:Â is there a more effective way

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>> to take Propanolol right now to help with the severe

>>>> adrenaline symptoms until I get stabilized on HC?Â

>>>> Should I be dosing it differently?

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> Thanks in advance,

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> Terri

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> ------------------------------------

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> We are not medical professionals here, just

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>> patients sharing our experiences. Please use this

>>>> information with the help of a competent doctor.

>>>>

[Guest guest]

:

OK...then I am getting on those CONSISTENT temps then. I think the key to that

for me will be taking them a little later as you suggest and setting my watch

alarm and carrying a thermometer and little notebook with me.

So being " stable on HC " before you start clearing rT3 means stable temps, not

necessarily stable lack of adrenaline symptoms? I expected to feel hypo but not

adrenaline...I might have misunderstood this concept.

I think I have to stop Propanolol incrementally after being on it for a few

months though...my ND said to cut it by half first. PDR says not to stop it

suddenly, can cause bad problems, heart attack, angina.

When Propanolol is used for panic attacks or atrial fib. how is it usually

dosed?

Terri

> >>

> >>> Hello and Nick:

> >>>

> >>> I read on the adrenals forum that propanolol can be used judiciously to

handle adrenaline attacks (not regularly but as a last ditch resort).

> >>>

> >>> My adrenals crashed 6 months ago from substituting for Armour when it

became unavailable. My brief history is 4 years ago, at age 46, I got abrupt

peri sx's and what I now understand to be adrenal crash symptoms when I weaned

my son. At that time I was diagnosed Hashi's, stage 5 adrenal fatigue, peri.

My rT3 ratio then was 15. These symptoms were handled for 3 years by an ND that

prescribed Isocort, Armour and BHRT and a lot of supplements. I had (what I now

believe to have been) low adrenal episodes every few months that always

responded to increased estrogen/progesterone ratio and consistently improved

over the years (I thought). Since Amour unavailable, 7 usuccessful trials with

throid meds, severe adrenaline symptoms episodically while still on thyroid, now

constant mild to severe for 3 months since off all thyroid.

> >>>

> >>> My ND gave me Lentra and 5-HTP, which help a tiny bit for the adrenaline.

She had me try Xanax which unpredictably put me to sleep for several hours but

worsened the adrenaline symptoms upon waking as an experiment to see how much of

the problem was physiological and how much was my reaction to it. I do not feel

Xanax helped me enough to justify taking it. She then put me on 25mgs.

Propanolol (10-5-10) everyday to help. It does seem to have helped a little and

I have been taking it a couple months. I know this blocks T3-T4 conversion and

I will want to be off it asap.

> >>>

> >>> But right now I am working on stabilizing my adrenals in preparation to

begin back on thyroid med.

> >>>

> >>> So my question is: is there a more effective way to take Propanolol right

now to help with the severe adrenaline symptoms until I get stabilized on HC?

Should I be dosing it differently?

> >>>

> >>> Thanks in advance,

> >>>

> >>> Terri

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> ------------------------------------

> >>>

> >>> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

[Guest guest]

VERY helpful explanation, thank you!

Terri

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> From: terriq_tq<71553.360@>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> Subject: Propanolol for Adrenaline Symptoms

> >>>

> >>

> >>> To: RT3_T3

> >>>

> >>

> >>> Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 10:10 AM

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> Hello and Nick:

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> I read on the adrenals forum that propanolol can be

> >>>

> >> used judiciously to handle adrenaline attacks (not

> >> regularly but as a last ditch resort).

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> My adrenals crashed 6 months ago from substituting

> >>>

> >> for Armour when it became unavailable. My brief

> >> history is 4 years ago, at age 46, I got abrupt peri

> >> sx's and what I now understand to be adrenal crash

> >> symptoms when I weaned my son. At that time I was

> >> diagnosed Hashi's, stage 5 adrenal fatigue, peri. My

> >> rT3 ratio then was 15. These symptoms were handled

> >> for 3 years by an ND that prescribed Isocort, Armour

> >> and BHRT and a lot of supplements. I had (what I now

> >> believe to have been) low adrenal episodes every few

> >> months that always responded to increased

> >> estrogen/progesterone ratio and consistently improved

> >> over the years (I thought). Since Amour unavailable,

> >> 7 usuccessful trials with throid meds, severe

> >> adrenaline symptoms episodically while still on

> >> thyroid, now constant mild to severe for 3 months

> >> since off all thyroid.

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> My ND gave me Lentra and 5-HTP, which help a tiny

> >>>

> >> bit for the adrenaline. She had me try Xanax which

> >> unpredictably put me to sleep for several hours but

> >> worsened the adrenaline symptoms upon waking as an

> >> experiment to see how much of the problem was

> >> physiological and how much was my reaction to it. I

> >> do not feel Xanax helped me enough to justify taking

> >> it. She then put me on 25mgs. Propanolol (10-5-10)

> >> everyday to help. It does seem to have helped a

> >> little and I have been taking it a couple months. I

> >> know this blocks T3-T4 conversion and I will want to

> >> be off it asap.Â

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> But right now I am working on stabilizing my

> >>>

> >> adrenals in preparation to begin back on thyroid med.Â

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> So my question is:Â is there a more effective way

> >>>

> >> to take Propanolol right now to help with the severe

> >> adrenaline symptoms until I get stabilized on HC?Â

> >> Should I be dosing it differently?

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> Thanks in advance,

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> Terri

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> ------------------------------------

> >>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> We are not medical professionals here, just

> >>>

> >> patients sharing our experiences. Please use this

> >> information with the help of a competent doctor.

> >>

[Guest guest]

I have onloy used Atenolol myself(same drug family basically) and took

10mg on an as needed basis, btu it made me so hypo (I was on T4 qt the

time) I could nto stand it so i really never took it unless I was desperate.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://faqhelp.webs.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

http://artisticgrooming.net/

> :

>

> OK...then I am getting on those CONSISTENT temps then. I think the key to

that for me will be taking them a little later as you suggest and setting my

watch alarm and carrying a thermometer and little notebook with me.

>

> So being " stable on HC " before you start clearing rT3 means stable temps, not

necessarily stable lack of adrenaline symptoms? I expected to feel hypo but not

adrenaline...I might have misunderstood this concept.

>

> I think I have to stop Propanolol incrementally after being on it for a few

months though...my ND said to cut it by half first. PDR says not to stop it

suddenly, can cause bad problems, heart attack, angina.

>

> When Propanolol is used for panic attacks or atrial fib. how is it usually

dosed?

>

> Terri

>

>

>

>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> Hello and Nick:

>>>>>

>>>>> I read on the adrenals forum that propanolol can be used judiciously to

handle adrenaline attacks (not regularly but as a last ditch resort).

>>>>>

>>>>> My adrenals crashed 6 months ago from substituting for Armour when it

became unavailable. My brief history is 4 years ago, at age 46, I got abrupt

peri sx's and what I now understand to be adrenal crash symptoms when I weaned

my son. At that time I was diagnosed Hashi's, stage 5 adrenal fatigue, peri.

My rT3 ratio then was 15. These symptoms were handled for 3 years by an ND that

prescribed Isocort, Armour and BHRT and a lot of supplements. I had (what I now

believe to have been) low adrenal episodes every few months that always

responded to increased estrogen/progesterone ratio and consistently improved

over the years (I thought). Since Amour unavailable, 7 usuccessful trials with

throid meds, severe adrenaline symptoms episodically while still on thyroid, now

constant mild to severe for 3 months since off all thyroid.

>>>>>

>>>>> My ND gave me Lentra and 5-HTP, which help a tiny bit for the adrenaline.

She had me try Xanax which unpredictably put me to sleep for several hours but

worsened the adrenaline symptoms upon waking as an experiment to see how much of

the problem was physiological and how much was my reaction to it. I do not feel

Xanax helped me enough to justify taking it. She then put me on 25mgs.

Propanolol (10-5-10) everyday to help. It does seem to have helped a little and

I have been taking it a couple months. I know this blocks T3-T4 conversion and

I will want to be off it asap.

>>>>>

>>>>> But right now I am working on stabilizing my adrenals in preparation to

begin back on thyroid med.

>>>>>

>>>>> So my question is: is there a more effective way to take Propanolol right

now to help with the severe adrenaline symptoms until I get stabilized on HC?

Should I be dosing it differently?

>>>>>

>>>>> Thanks in advance,

>>>>>

>>>>> Terri

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> ------------------------------------

>>>>>

>>>>> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

[Guest guest]

If I felt a doctor didn't really understand what was going on with me, I, personally, would not add a potentially dangerous drug. Propanalol, or any beta blocker will make your pulse slower, and

of course, this could lower your energy level.

Since your RT3 has shot up, like mine did suddenly, you might want to go the way I was treated.

I was put on T3 only, no other drugs added. Started at 5 mcg 2xday and have been titrating very slowly since then. Had a brief interlude with an endo who lowered my T3 and then added T4. I got sick again. Left the endo and have been taking T3 since then. I'm up to 70 mcg at this point and feel much better. You might be able to titrate faster because you are much younger than I am and don't have a heart condition for which to be wary.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

Subject: Re: Propanolol for Adrenaline SymptomsTo: RT3_T3 Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 10:59 AM

Hello Roni:Thanks for your reply. Yes, I am aware that I do not want to be on this or any other uneccessary med. I'm quite nervous about that too. But the adrenaline episodes I am suffering are so severe and debilitating and constant (I have a young child to care for) that my ND said we could use it as a crutch while figuring out the hormone issues we hope are underlying it. Since then she has become quite confused about my case and I have involved one of the top docs listed on Janie and Shomon's websites. She is the doc that put me on HC, about the time I discovered this and related sites. The new doc has said don't change anything else...one thing at a time...until we get adrenals stabilized, which makes sense to me. I guess what I am really thinking is...would it be more effective and less dangerous to use propanolol episodically than regularly at this point.

The ND seemed to think it was something that had to be used one off (ie public speaking) or consistently if needed for several months potentially.At this point I have thought about a cardiac workup but my new thyroid doc says no...if I had a true arrythmia I would have a fast pulse (low 60's before propanolol, now low 50's). She is sure I am hypothyroid but thinks I may not even need thyroid med once my adrenals are stable. I do not know how much she knows about rT3 though. My rT3 shot up at exactly the same time these symptoms happened. My ratios were never above 20 before but the absolute rT3 number was much lower. I am hoping to get insight into this here.Have you had any similar experiences?Terri> > > > Subject: Propanolol for Adrenaline Symptoms> To: RT3_T3 > Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 10:10 AM> > > Hello and Nick:> > I read on the adrenals forum that propanolol can be used judiciously to handle adrenaline attacks (not regularly but as a last ditch resort).> > My adrenals crashed 6 months ago from substituting for Armour when it became unavailable. My brief history is 4 years ago, at age 46, I got abrupt peri sx's and what I now understand to be adrenal crash symptoms when I weaned my son. At that time I was diagnosed Hashi's, stage 5 adrenal fatigue, peri. My rT3 ratio then was 15. These symptoms were handled for 3 years by an ND that prescribed Isocort, Armour and BHRT and a lot of supplements. I had (what I now believe to have been) low adrenal episodes every few months that always responded to increased estrogen/progesterone ratio and

consistently improved over the years (I thought). Since Amour unavailable, 7 usuccessful trials with throid meds, severe adrenaline symptoms episodically while still on thyroid, now constant mild to severe for 3 months since off all thyroid.> > My ND gave me Lentra and 5-HTP, which help a tiny bit for the adrenaline. She had me try Xanax which unpredictably put me to sleep for several hours but worsened the adrenaline symptoms upon waking as an experiment to see how much of the problem was physiological and how much was my reaction to it. I do not feel Xanax helped me enough to justify taking it. She then put me on 25mgs. Propanolol (10-5-10) everyday to help. It does seem to have helped a little and I have been taking it a couple months. I know this blocks T3-T4 conversion and I will want to be off it asap. > > But right now I am working on stabilizing my adrenals in preparation to

begin back on thyroid med. > > So my question is: is there a more effective way to take Propanolol right now to help with the severe adrenaline symptoms until I get stabilized on HC? Should I be dosing it differently? > > Thanks in advance,> > Terri> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------> > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

[Guest guest]

Hello Roni:

Thank you for your reply. Yes, though I feel that ND is very well meaning I

have brought another doc in now that I think knows more. I have been so

unbelievably scared from these symptoms and the strength of them (the

adrenaline) that I got desperate for even temporary relief. Because the

adrenaline is so pronounced, energy is not my current issue, though I know it

will be the minute the 5-alarm fire bell stops going off in my system.

I think I am headed rapidly in your direction. Will you share how your story

began with me? Were/are your adrenals OK? Did you have the adrenaline symptoms

too? I would like to learn from you.

Thank you for taking the time to write,

Terri

> >

> >

> > From: terriq_tq <71553.360@>

> > Subject: Propanolol for Adrenaline Symptoms

> > To: RT3_T3

> > Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 10:10 AM

> >

> >

> > Hello and Nick:

> >

> > I read on the adrenals forum that propanolol can be used judiciously to

handle adrenaline attacks (not regularly but as a last ditch resort).

> >

> > My adrenals crashed 6 months ago from substituting for Armour when it became

unavailable.  My brief history is 4 years ago, at age 46, I got abrupt peri sx's

and what I now understand to be adrenal crash symptoms when I weaned my son.  At

that time I was diagnosed Hashi's, stage 5 adrenal fatigue, peri.  My rT3 ratio

then was 15.  These symptoms were handled for 3 years by an ND that prescribed

Isocort, Armour and BHRT and a lot of supplements.  I had (what I now believe to

have been) low adrenal episodes every few months that always responded to

increased estrogen/progesterone ratio and consistently improved over the years

(I thought).  Since Amour unavailable, 7 usuccessful trials with throid meds,

severe adrenaline symptoms episodically while still on thyroid, now constant

mild to severe for 3 months since off all thyroid.

> >

> > My ND gave me Lentra and 5-HTP, which help a tiny bit for the adrenaline. 

She had me try Xanax which unpredictably put me to sleep for several hours but

worsened the adrenaline symptoms upon waking as an experiment to see how much of

the problem was physiological and how much was my reaction to it.  I do not feel

Xanax helped me enough to justify taking it.  She then put me on 25mgs.

Propanolol (10-5-10) everyday to help.  It does seem to have helped a little and

I have been taking it a couple months.  I know this blocks T3-T4 conversion and

I will want to be off it asap. 

> >

> > But right now I am working on stabilizing my adrenals in preparation to

begin back on thyroid med. 

> >

> > So my question is:  is there a more effective way to take Propanolol right

now to help with the severe adrenaline symptoms until I get stabilized on HC? 

Should I be dosing it differently?

> >

> > Thanks in advance,

> >

> > Terri

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.