Re: Help... Need to make sense of my numbers to find out what my problem is?

[Guest guest]

Have you been on any thyroid med OTHER than T3-ONLY for these past four months?

Because for being on T3-ONLY for four months, your Reverse T3 is higher than I

would expect. After being on T3-only for four months my own RT3 was near ZERO.

RT3 is made from T4. IF you are on enough T3-only to suppress your own T4

production, and IF you are not taking any T4 (or thyroid med containing T4), I

just don't see what your RT3 is being made from.

I would agree you are hypo, your RT3 high enough to be blocking T3 receptors; T3

can't get in and do it's job. I calculate your FT3/RT3 ratio as 16; anything

under 20 indicates an RT3 problem.

PS. Ferritin looks OK, but since it is possible for it to come back false-high,

we now recommend an iron panel test showing % saturation. For best thyroid

utilization, % saturation should be 35-45.

>

> Quest Labs

> **********

> Tsh- 2.51 (0.40-4.50)mIU/L

> T4, free- 1.1 (0.8-1.8)ng/dl

> T3, free- 365 (230-420)pg/dl

> Rev T3- 23 (11-32)ng/dl

>

> ferritin- 112 (20-345)ng/ml

>

> ** I have been on 15-20mg hc and 50-75mcg t3 for about 4 months prior to this

test.... Comparing this current blood test to my previous blood tests of years

past when I started experiencing possible hypo/adrenal problems show roughly the

same values... the only thing that has significantly changed is that my tsh is

the highest it has ever been for me... I have always been around 2.2-2.3 and now

I am up to 2.5 and still experiencing severe hypo symptoms (fatigue, depression

and severe diffuse " hypo pattern " hairloss (I went from a full head of hair just

5 months ago to extremely thin, shedding, wispy hair... I had to shave it this

past week with a 1 guard clipper cuz it was so bad...)

>

> I really think I am hypothyroid... what should I do at this point..

>

[Guest guest]

Have you been on any thyroid med OTHER than T3-ONLY for these past four months?

Because for being on T3-ONLY for four months, your Reverse T3 is higher than I

would expect. After being on T3-only for four months my own RT3 was near ZERO.

RT3 is made from T4. IF you are on enough T3-only to suppress your own T4

production, and IF you are not taking any T4 (or thyroid med containing T4), I

just don't see what your RT3 is being made from.

I would agree you are hypo, your RT3 high enough to be blocking T3 receptors; T3

can't get in and do it's job. I calculate your FT3/RT3 ratio as 16; anything

under 20 indicates an RT3 problem.

PS. Ferritin looks OK, but since it is possible for it to come back false-high,

we now recommend an iron panel test showing % saturation. For best thyroid

utilization, % saturation should be 35-45.

>

> Quest Labs

> **********

> Tsh- 2.51 (0.40-4.50)mIU/L

> T4, free- 1.1 (0.8-1.8)ng/dl

> T3, free- 365 (230-420)pg/dl

> Rev T3- 23 (11-32)ng/dl

>

> ferritin- 112 (20-345)ng/ml

>

> ** I have been on 15-20mg hc and 50-75mcg t3 for about 4 months prior to this

test.... Comparing this current blood test to my previous blood tests of years

past when I started experiencing possible hypo/adrenal problems show roughly the

same values... the only thing that has significantly changed is that my tsh is

the highest it has ever been for me... I have always been around 2.2-2.3 and now

I am up to 2.5 and still experiencing severe hypo symptoms (fatigue, depression

and severe diffuse " hypo pattern " hairloss (I went from a full head of hair just

5 months ago to extremely thin, shedding, wispy hair... I had to shave it this

past week with a 1 guard clipper cuz it was so bad...)

>

> I really think I am hypothyroid... what should I do at this point..

>

[Guest guest]

Have you been on any thyroid med OTHER than T3-ONLY for these past four months?

Because for being on T3-ONLY for four months, your Reverse T3 is higher than I

would expect. After being on T3-only for four months my own RT3 was near ZERO.

RT3 is made from T4. IF you are on enough T3-only to suppress your own T4

production, and IF you are not taking any T4 (or thyroid med containing T4), I

just don't see what your RT3 is being made from.

I would agree you are hypo, your RT3 high enough to be blocking T3 receptors; T3

can't get in and do it's job. I calculate your FT3/RT3 ratio as 16; anything

under 20 indicates an RT3 problem.

PS. Ferritin looks OK, but since it is possible for it to come back false-high,

we now recommend an iron panel test showing % saturation. For best thyroid

utilization, % saturation should be 35-45.

>

> Quest Labs

> **********

> Tsh- 2.51 (0.40-4.50)mIU/L

> T4, free- 1.1 (0.8-1.8)ng/dl

> T3, free- 365 (230-420)pg/dl

> Rev T3- 23 (11-32)ng/dl

>

> ferritin- 112 (20-345)ng/ml

>

> ** I have been on 15-20mg hc and 50-75mcg t3 for about 4 months prior to this

test.... Comparing this current blood test to my previous blood tests of years

past when I started experiencing possible hypo/adrenal problems show roughly the

same values... the only thing that has significantly changed is that my tsh is

the highest it has ever been for me... I have always been around 2.2-2.3 and now

I am up to 2.5 and still experiencing severe hypo symptoms (fatigue, depression

and severe diffuse " hypo pattern " hairloss (I went from a full head of hair just

5 months ago to extremely thin, shedding, wispy hair... I had to shave it this

past week with a 1 guard clipper cuz it was so bad...)

>

> I really think I am hypothyroid... what should I do at this point..

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Quest Labs

> **********

> Tsh- 2.51 (0.40-4.50)mIU/L

> T4, free- 1.1 (0.8-1.8)ng/dl

> T3, free- 365 (230-420)pg/dl

> Rev T3- 23 (11-32)ng/dl

>

> ferritin- 112 (20-345)ng/ml

>

> ** I have been on 15-20mg hc and 50-75mcg t3 for about 4 months prior to this

test.... Comparing this current blood test to my previous blood tests of years

past when I started experiencing possible hypo/adrenal problems show roughly the

same values... the only thing that has significantly changed is that my tsh is

the highest it has ever been for me... I have always been around 2.2-2.3 and now

I am up to 2.5 and still experiencing severe hypo symptoms (fatigue, depression

and severe diffuse " hypo pattern " hairloss (I went from a full head of hair just

5 months ago to extremely thin, shedding, wispy hair... I had to shave it this

past week with a 1 guard clipper cuz it was so bad...)

>

> I really think I am hypothyroid... what should I do at this point..

>

What im really trying to figure out is how/why my Tsh went up from 2.3 to 2.51

while taking t3.... unless my t3 was fake or severely underdosed... I do have 3

bottles of cynomel (mexico) arriving in a few days.. should I try the cynomel

when it arrives or should I drop t3 and try to go on Armour or equivalent

natural t4/t3...?

My previous blood work (lab corp) from 3/9/10...

TSH- 1.160

T3- 151 (71-180)ng/dl

T4- 8.4 (4.5-12.0)ug/dl

RT3- 281 (90-350)pg/ml

My current blood work (quest)8/21/10....

TSH- 2.51

T4, free- 1.1 (0.8-1.8)ng/dl

T3, free- 365 (230-420)pg/dl

RT3- 23 (11-32)ng/dl

[Guest guest]

What im really trying to figure out is how/why my Tsh went up from 2.3 to 2.51

while taking t3.... unless my t3 was fake or severely underdosed... I do have 3

bottles of cynomel (mexico) arriving in a few days.. should I try the cynomel

when it arrives or should I drop t3 and try to go on Armour or equivalent

natural t4/t3...?

My previous blood work (lab corp) from 3/9/10...

TSH- 1.160

T3- 151 (71-180)ng/dl

T4- 8.4 (4.5-12.0)ug/dl

RT3- 281 (90-350)pg/ml

My current blood work (quest)8/21/10....

TSH- 2.51

T4, free- 1.1 (0.8-1.8)ng/dl

T3, free- 365 (230-420)pg/dl

RT3- 23 (11-32)ng/dl

> >

> > Quest Labs

> > **********

> > Tsh- 2.51 (0.40-4.50)mIU/L

> > T4, free- 1.1 (0.8-1.8)ng/dl

> > T3, free- 365 (230-420)pg/dl

> > Rev T3- 23 (11-32)ng/dl

> >

> > ferritin- 112 (20-345)ng/ml

> >

> > ** I have been on 15-20mg hc and 50-75mcg t3 for about 4 months prior to

this test.... Comparing this current blood test to my previous blood tests of

years past when I started experiencing possible hypo/adrenal problems show

roughly the same values... the only thing that has significantly changed is that

my tsh is the highest it has ever been for me... I have always been around

2.2-2.3 and now I am up to 2.5 and still experiencing severe hypo symptoms

(fatigue, depression and severe diffuse " hypo pattern " hairloss (I went from a

full head of hair just 5 months ago to extremely thin, shedding, wispy hair...

I had to shave it this past week with a 1 guard clipper cuz it was so bad...)

> >

> > I really think I am hypothyroid... what should I do at this point..

> >

>

[Guest guest]

TSH goes up when the pituitary gland detects inadequate thyroid hormone in the

blood.

50-75mcg T3-only is not " severely underdosed " for RT3 clearance purposes. But

since your RT3 is still too high, there is something clearly not working in this

equation.

I don't know what T3 you were on, some are substantially weaker than others. I

(luckily) do not have any experience with " fake " T3. I take Cynomel from Mexico

and it reduced my RT3 to near-zero.

Going on Armour or equivalent Natural Thyroid might make your RT3 problem worse;

they would contain T4, the raw material for RT3.

For more info, here's a link to Moderator Nick's excellent website on all things

RT3:

main page

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

starting/dosing

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

> > >

> > > Quest Labs

> > > **********

> > > Tsh- 2.51 (0.40-4.50)mIU/L

> > > T4, free- 1.1 (0.8-1.8)ng/dl

> > > T3, free- 365 (230-420)pg/dl

> > > Rev T3- 23 (11-32)ng/dl

> > >

> > > ferritin- 112 (20-345)ng/ml

> > >

> > > ** I have been on 15-20mg hc and 50-75mcg t3 for about 4 months prior to

this test.... Comparing this current blood test to my previous blood tests of

years past when I started experiencing possible hypo/adrenal problems show

roughly the same values... the only thing that has significantly changed is that

my tsh is the highest it has ever been for me... I have always been around

2.2-2.3 and now I am up to 2.5 and still experiencing severe hypo symptoms

(fatigue, depression and severe diffuse " hypo pattern " hairloss (I went from a

full head of hair just 5 months ago to extremely thin, shedding, wispy hair...

I had to shave it this past week with a 1 guard clipper cuz it was so bad...)

> > >

> > > I really think I am hypothyroid... what should I do at this point..

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I was taking Tiromel from Turkey... Val had warned me about it possibly being

too low dosed but it was all I had and had to make the best of it....

As I said earlier, I do have 3 bottles of cynomel (mexico) arriving in few days

thanks to the help of Val.

Now, should I restart over my rt3 treatment when I recieve the cynomel? and

should I also continue on the HC... as of now I have been off of HC for the

past 8 days and I have been taking 300mg of micronized pregnenelone in place of

it (150mg am/ 150mg pm)... Could I possibly take t3 without the need to take

HC...

In the past I really thought I was having adrenal probs that were causing my

hypo symptoms but now I think it was the RT3 and hypothyroid state I am

currently in that is causing all of my problems...

any thoughts...?

> > > >

> > > > Quest Labs

> > > > **********

> > > > Tsh- 2.51 (0.40-4.50)mIU/L

> > > > T4, free- 1.1 (0.8-1.8)ng/dl

> > > > T3, free- 365 (230-420)pg/dl

> > > > Rev T3- 23 (11-32)ng/dl

> > > >

> > > > ferritin- 112 (20-345)ng/ml

> > > >

> > > > ** I have been on 15-20mg hc and 50-75mcg t3 for about 4 months prior to

this test.... Comparing this current blood test to my previous blood tests of

years past when I started experiencing possible hypo/adrenal problems show

roughly the same values... the only thing that has significantly changed is that

my tsh is the highest it has ever been for me... I have always been around

2.2-2.3 and now I am up to 2.5 and still experiencing severe hypo symptoms

(fatigue, depression and severe diffuse " hypo pattern " hairloss (I went from a

full head of hair just 5 months ago to extremely thin, shedding, wispy hair...

I had to shave it this past week with a 1 guard clipper cuz it was so bad...)

> > > >

> > > > I really think I am hypothyroid... what should I do at this point..

> > > >

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