Guest guest Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 My own humble opinion is that one should not take estrogen without progesterone. However I also don't like the idea of a combination cream. They are absorbed differently so in one cream the absorbtion is going to be compromised. I do a rhytmic dosing that is different every day during a 28 day cycle. Some people do a static dosing that is the same for 3 weeks on and take 1 week off. So even though I take estrogen only for the first half of the cycle I then take both for the 2nd half. There are 2 main theorists on BHRT...Dr Lee (who goes by the least amount necessary to relieve symptoms -usually .5mg of biest- and follows the 3 weeks of doing both the biest and the progesterone in 2 separate transdermal creams and then the 1 week off) and TS Wiley who advocates following a rhythmic dosing that mimics a woman's natural cycle in her reproductive years. Dr lee thinks a period is unnecessary and undesirable. Wiley insists it is absolutely essential to avoid disease and ill health. I have tried both. The Wiley recommended dosing was too much for me. the static dosing left me feeling weird. I have found what works for me is a modified version of the wiley or rythmic dosing using less and adapting that to what my saliva tests and symptoms indicated. Bottom line is that you are going to have to do some research and make your own determination based on your saliva tests and how you feel. It is a very individualized thing and it is not going to always stay the same. I don't take testosterone but I do take DHEA 50 mg per day and more of 7-keto DHEA (which doesn't convert to testosterone like the regular DHEA does). The Progesterone is better absorbed through thin skin areas like the wrists , inner elbows and backs of knees or collarbone area. The biest or estradiol is better absorbed either vaginally or through fatty areas of the body. So it is hard to fathom a transdermal cream that combines both. hang in there, you will find the right answers, Sharon Remember! Dolls are people, too....have you hugged your dolls today? Visit my website! http://ohyoubeautifuldoll.webs.com--- Subject: Re: blood workTo: RT3_T3 Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 8:38 PM Val, So would you recommend that I only take estrogen? And what is the connection with pre-diabetes? Thank you!> So I am guessing these are in the LUTEAL phasse? If they are th > eestrogen is stil too low. With a range of 43.8-211 and you are > at 62.3 > I htink it would be MUCH better in the upper third of it;s range > too , > SO I thingk you DO need estrogne. Especially wiht pre-diabetes.> > > > >> > > Here are results with ranges. Just wanted to add that I > take 30 mg > > USP thyroid, then it was increased to double doses three times > a week > > which sent me above range on T4, so they dropped me back to 30 > mg > > daily which produces these results making me hypo again. Val, > you've > > already said that I need to get the ferritin up before > anything else > > so that's what I'm doing.> >> > > >> > > > Hello,> > > > I know I have a RT3 problem already but am working on getting> > > ferritin> > > > up right now. In the meantime, I had these labs run 9 days> > > before my> > > > period came. I'm 52 y.o. female, hypo, pre-diabetic, still> > > > menstruating regularly. The doctor (D.O) gave me a mixed bio> > > idential> > > > hormone cream - it says biest/progest/ testost 1 mg/20mg/.25mg> > > which I> > > > haven't tried yet because of the negative comments here on a> > > mixed> > > > cream. Also my gyno says these results show I'm still making> > > estrogen> > > > so she says I shouldn't be taking estrogen. Would appreciate> > > opinions.>> > Testosterone, Serum 27 6-82> > > > Free Testosterone .3 0-2.2> > > > LH 11.8 Foll. 2.4-12.6, Ovul. > 14-95.6, > > Luteal 1-11.4, Postmeno 7.7-58.5> > > > FSH 9.0 Foll. 3.5-12.5, Ovul 4.7-> 21.5, > > Luteal 1.7-7.7, postmeno 25.8-134.8> > > > Progesterone 8.9 Foll .2-1.5, Luteal 1.7-27,Ovul > .8-3, > > Postmeno .1-.8> > > > DHEA-Sulfate 130.6 35.4-256> > > > Sex Horm Binding Glob, Serum 42.3 17-50y.o 26.1-110, > Postmeno > > .4-6.6> > > > Fr ee Androgen Index 2.2 .4-6.6> > > > Estradiol 62.3 Foll. 12.5-166, Ovul 85.8-498, > Luteal > > 43.8-211, Postmeno <6-54.7> > > > TSH 4.2 .45-4.5> > > > T4, Free .97 .82-1.77> > > > Triiodothyronine, Free 2.3 2.0-4.4> > > > TPO 5 0-34> > > > Antithyroglobulin Ab <20 0-40> > > > Vit A, Serum 40 19-83> > > > Vit E 21 3-15.8 HIGH> > > > WBC 6.3 4-10.5> > > > RBC 4.23 & nbsp; 3.8-5.10> > > > Hemoglobin 13 11.5-15> > > > Hematocrit 39.1 34-44> > > > MCV 92 80-98> > > > MCH 30.7 27-34> > > > MCHC 33.2 32-36> > > > RDW 14 11.7-15> > > > Platelets 290 140-415> > > > Neutrophils 58 40-74> > > > Lymphs 32 14-46> > > > Monocytes 8 4-13> > > > Eos 2 0-7> > > > Basos 0 0-3> > > > Glucose 110 HIGH 65-99> > > > BUN 15 5-26> > > > Creatinine 1.01 .57-1.0 HIGH> > > > eGFR 58 LOW >59> > > > Bun/Creatiine Ratio 15 8-27> > > > Sodium 140 135-145> > > > Potassium 4.5 3.5-5.2> > > > Chloride 104 97-108> > > > Carbon Dioxide 25 20-32> > > > Calcium 9 8.7-10.2> > > > Tot. Cholesterol 252 100-199 HIGH> > > > Triglycerides 73 0-149> > > > HDL 59 >39> > > > VLDL 15 5-40> > > > LDL 178 HIGH 0-99> > > > Candida Antibodies IgG <30 0-29> > > > IgM <10 0-9> > > > IgA <10 0-9> > > > Vit B12 1340 HIGH 211-946> > > > Folate 15.7 >3> > > > Hem A1c 5.9 HIGH> > > > Vit D, 25-Hydroxy 45.8 32-100> > > > Co Q10 1.06 .37-2.2> > > > C-Reactive Protein 1.98 Avg 1-3> > > > Homocysteine Plasma 7.3 0-15> > > > Ferritin, Seru m 24 13-150> >> > > > Thank you,> > > > LizR> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 So it doesn't matter to take bhrt when I'm still having regular menstrual periods? I guess I thought it was only for those in menopause. Would you suggest a vaginal ultrasound before taking them? I'll have to talk to the doctor about taking separate creams. She also gave me 25mg DHEA. I'm taking any of them yet. Thank you, LizR Re: blood work> To: RT3_T3 > Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 8:38 PM> > > > > > > > Val,> > So would you recommend that I only take estrogen? And what is > the connection with pre-diabetes?> > Thank you!> > > So I am guessing these are in the LUTEAL phasse? If they are > th > > eestrogen is stil too low. With a range of 43.8-211 and you > are > > at 62.3 > > I htink it would be MUCH better in the upper third of it;s > range > > too , > > SO I thingk you DO need estrogne. Especially wiht pre-diabetes.> > > > > > >> > > > Here are results with ranges. Just wanted to add that I > > take 30 mg > > > USP thyroid, then it was increased to double doses three > times > > a week > > > which sent me above range on T4, so they dropped me back to > 30 > > mg > > > daily which produces these results making me hypo again. > Val, > > you've > > > already said that I need to get the ferritin up before > > anything else > > > so that's what I'm doing.> >> > > > >> > > > > Hello,> > > > > I know I have a RT3 problem already but am working on getting> > > > ferritin> > > > > up right now. In the meantime, I had these labs run 9 days> > > > before my> > > > > period came. I'm 52 y.o. female, hypo, pre-diabetic, still> > > > > menstruating regularly. The doctor (D.O) gave me a mixed bio> > > > idential> > > > > hormone cream - it says biest/progest/ testost 1 mg/20mg/.25mg> > > > which I> > > > > haven't tried yet because of the negative comments here > on a> > > > mixed> > > > > cream. Also my gyno says these results show I'm still making> > > > estrogen> > > > > so she says I shouldn't be taking estrogen. Would appreciate> > > > opinions.>> > > Testosterone, Serum 27 6-82> > > > > Free Testosterone .3 0-2.2> > > > > LH 11.8 Foll. 2.4-12.6, Ovul. > > 14-95.6, > > > Luteal 1-11.4, Postmeno 7.7-58.5> > > > > FSH 9.0 Foll. 3.5-12.5, Ovul 4.7-> > 21.5, > > > Luteal 1.7-7.7, postmeno 25.8-134.8> > > > > Progesterone 8.9 Foll .2-1.5, Luteal 1.7-27,Ovul > > .8-3, > > > Postmeno .1-.8> > > > > DHEA-Sulfate 130.6 35.4-256> > > > > Sex Horm Binding Glob, Serum 42.3 17-50y.o 26.1-110, > > Postmeno > > > .4-6.6> > > > > Fr ee Androgen Index 2.2 .4-6.6> > > > > Estradiol 62.3 Foll. 12.5-166, Ovul 85.8-498, > > Luteal > > > 43.8-211, Postmeno <6-54.7> > > > > TSH 4.2 .45-4.5> > > > > T4, Free .97 .82-1.77> > > > > Triiodothyronine, Free 2.3 2.0-4.4> > > > > TPO 5 0-34> > > > > Antithyroglobulin Ab <20 0-40> > > > > Vit A, Serum 40 19-83> > > > > Vit E 21 3-15.8 HIGH> > > > > WBC 6.3 4-10.5> > > > > RBC 4.23 & nbsp; 3.8-5.10> > > > > Hemoglobin 13 11.5-15> > > > > Hematocrit 39.1 34-44> > > > > MCV 92 80-98> > > > > MCH 30.7 27-34> > > > > MCHC 33.2 32-36> > > > > RDW 14 11.7-15> > > > > Platelets 290 140-415> > > > > Neutrophils 58 40-74> > > > > Lymphs 32 14-46> > > > > Monocytes 8 4-13> > > > > Eos 2 0-7> > > > > Basos 0 0-3> > > > > Glucose 110 HIGH 65-99> > > > > BUN 15 5-26> > > > > Creatinine 1.01 .57-1.0 HIGH> > > > > eGFR 58 LOW >59> > > > > Bun/Creatiine Ratio 15 8-27> > > > > Sodium 140 135-145> > > > > Potassium 4.5 3.5-5.2> > > > > Chloride 104 97-108> > > > > Carbon Dioxide 25 20-32> > > > > Calcium 9 8.7-10.2> > > > > Tot. Cholesterol 252 100-199 HIGH> > > > > Triglycerides 73 0-149> > > > > HDL 59 >39> > > > > VLDL 15 5-40> > > > > LDL 178 HIGH 0-99> > > > > Candida Antibodies IgG <30 0-29> > > > > IgM <10 0-9> > > > > IgA <10 0-9> > > > > Vit B12 1340 HIGH 211-946> > > > > Folate 15.7 >3> > > > > Hem A1c 5.9 HIGH> > > > > Vit D, 25-Hydroxy 45.8 32-100> > > > > Co Q10 1.06 .37-2.2> > > > > C-Reactive Protein 1.98 Avg 1-3> > > > > Homocysteine Plasma 7.3 0-15> > > > > Ferritin, Seru m 24 13-150> > >> > > > > Thank you,> > > > > LizR> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 It's not so much about whether you have a period or not as to whether your hormones are in balance. You can be having a period and still have low estrogen or progesterone. Estrogen dominance also doesn't necessarily mean you have enough estrogen. You can have the environmental estrogens that come from plastics and pesticides and soy (which slows the thyroid) and not have enough of the right kind of estrogen or not have enough progesterone to balance it out. It is about getting things in balance and right for you. Saliva testing is the best way to get a good picture of what's going on with your hormones. Another reason why i am not happy about the idea of that 3-in-one cream is that it is a one size fits all proportion and everyone's needs are different. Just MHO Sharon Remember! Dolls are people, too....have you hugged your dolls today? Visit my website! http://ohyoubeautifuldoll.webs.com--- Subject: Re: blood work/estrogenTo: RT3_T3 Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 9:25 PM So it doesn't matter to take bhrt when I'm still having regular menstrual periods? I guess I thought it was only for those in menopause. Would you suggest a vaginal ultrasound before taking them? I'll have to talk to the doctor about taking separate creams. She also gave me 25mg DHEA. I'm taking any of them yet. Thank you, LizR Re: blood work> To: RT3_T3 (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com> Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 8:38 PM> > > > > > > > Val,> > So would you recommend that I only take estrogen? And what is > the connection with pre-diabetes?> > Thank you!> > > So I am guessing these are in the LUTEAL phasse? If they are > th > > eestrogen is stil too low. With a range of 43.8-211 and you > are > > at 62.3 > > I htink it would be MUCH better in the upper third of it;s > range > > too , > > SO I thingk you DO need estrogne. Especially wiht pre-diabetes.> > > > > > >> > > > Here are results with ranges. Just wanted to add that I > > take 30 mg > > > USP thyroid, then it was increased to double doses three > times > > a week > > > which sent me above range on T4, so they dropped me back to > 30 > > mg > > > daily which produces these results making me hypo again. > Val, > > you've > > > already said that I need to get the ferritin up before > > anything else > > > so that's what I'm doing.> >> > > > >> > > > > Hello,> > > > > I know I have a RT3 problem already but am working on getting> > > > ferritin> > > > > up right now. In the meantime, I had these labs run 9 days> > > > before my> > > > > period came. I'm 52 y.o. female, hypo, pre-diabetic, still> > > > > menstruating regularly. The doctor (D.O) gave me a mixed bio> > > > idential> > > > > hormone cream - it says biest/progest/ testost 1 mg/20mg/.25mg> > > > which I> > > > > haven't tried yet because of the negative comments here > on a> > > > mixed> > > > > cream. Also my gyno says these results show I'm still making> > > > estrogen> > > > > so she says I shouldn't be taking estrogen. Would appreciate> > > > opinions.>> > > Testosterone, Serum 27 6-82> > > > > Free Testosterone .3 0-2.2> > > > > LH 11.8 Foll. 2.4-12.6, Ovul. > > 14-95.6, > > > Luteal 1-11.4, Postmeno 7.7-58.5> > > > > FSH 9.0 Foll. 3.5-12.5, Ovul 4.7-> > 21.5, > > > Luteal 1.7-7.7, postmeno 25.8-134.8> > > > > Progesterone 8.9 Foll .2-1.5, Luteal 1.7-27,Ovul > > .8-3, > > > Postmeno .1-.8> > > > > DHEA-Sulfate 130.6 35.4-256> > > > > Sex Horm Binding Glob, Serum 42.3 17-50y.o 26.1-110, > > Postmeno > > > .4-6.6> > > > > Fr ee Androgen Index 2.2 .4-6.6> > > > > Estradiol 62.3 Foll. 12.5-166, Ovul 85.8-498, > > Luteal > > > 43.8-211, Postmeno <6-54.7> > > > > TSH 4.2 .45-4.5> > > > > T4, Free .97 .82-1.77> > > > > Triiodothyronine, Free 2.3 2.0-4.4> > > > > TPO 5 0-34> > > > > Antithyroglobulin Ab <20 0-40> > > > > Vit A, Serum 40 19-83> > > > > Vit E 21 3-15.8 HIGH> > > > > WBC 6.3 4-10.5> > > > > RBC 4.23 & nbsp; 3.8-5.10> > > > > Hemoglobin 13 11.5-15> > > > > Hematocrit 39.1 34-44> > > > > MCV 92 80-98> > > > > MCH 30.7 27-34> > > > > MCHC 33.2 32-36> > > > > RDW 14 11.7-15> > > > > Platelets 290 140-415> > > > > Neutrophils 58 40-74> > > > > Lymphs 32 14-46> > > > > Monocytes 8 4-13> > > > > Eos 2 0-7> > > > > Basos 0 0-3> > > > > Glucose 110 HIGH 65-99> > > > > BUN 15 5-26> > > > > Creatinine 1.01 .57-1.0 HIGH> > > > > eGFR 58 LOW >59> > > > > Bun/Creatiine Ratio 15 8-27> > > > > Sodium 140 135-145> > > > > Potassium 4.5 3.5-5.2> > > > > Chloride 104 97-108> > > > > Carbon Dioxide 25 20-32> > > > > Calcium 9 8.7-10.2> > > > > Tot. Cholesterol 252 100-199 HIGH> > > > > Triglycerides 73 0-149> > > > > HDL 59 >39> > > > > VLDL 15 5-40> > > > > LDL 178 HIGH 0-99> > > > > Candida Antibodies IgG <30 0-29> > > > > IgM <10 0-9> > > > > IgA <10 0-9> > > > > Vit B12 1340 HIGH 211-946> > > > > Folate 15.7 >3> > > > > Hem A1c 5.9 HIGH> > > > > Vit D, 25-Hydroxy 45.8 32-100> > > > > Co Q10 1.06 .37-2.2> > > > > C-Reactive Protein 1.98 Avg 1-3> > > > > Homocysteine Plasma 7.3 0-15> > > > > Ferritin, Seru m 24 13-150> > >> > > > > Thank you,> > > > > LizR> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Thank you. I have a lot to learn. If our levels are constantly changing, how would we know how much to take on a daily basis? Would we be just trying to approximate the perfect balanced cycle of a younger person? Re: blood work> > To: RT3_T3 (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com> > Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 8:38 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Val,> > > > So would you recommend that I only take estrogen? And what is > > the connection with pre-diabetes?> > > > Thank you!> > > > > So I am guessing these are in the LUTEAL phasse? If they are > > th > > > eestrogen is stil too low. With a range of 43.8-211 and you > > are > > > at 62.3 > > > I htink it would be MUCH better in the upper third of it;s > > range > > > too , > > > SO I thingk you DO need estrogne. Especially wiht pre-diabetes.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > Here are results with ranges. Just wanted to add that I > > > take 30 mg > > > > USP thyroid, then it was increased to double doses three > > times > > > a week > > > > which sent me above range on T4, so they dropped me back > to > > 30 > > > mg > > > > daily which produces these results making me hypo again. > > Val, > > > you've > > > > already said that I need to get the ferritin up before > > > anything else > > > > so that's what I'm doing.> >> > > > > >> > > > > > Hello,> > > > > > I know I have a RT3 problem already but am working on > getting> > > > ferritin> > > > > > up right now. In the meantime, I had these labs run 9 days> > > > > before my> > > > > > period came. I'm 52 y.o. female, hypo, pre-diabetic, still> > > > > > menstruating regularly. The doctor (D.O) gave me a > mixed bio> > > > > idential> > > > > > hormone cream - it says biest/progest/ testost 1 > mg/20mg/.25mg> > > > which I> > > > > > haven't tried yet because of the negative comments > here > > on a> > > > > mixed> > > > > > cream. Also my gyno says these results show I'm still making> > > > > estrogen> > > > > > so she says I shouldn't be taking estrogen. Would appreciate> > > > > opinions.>> > > > Testosterone, Serum 27 6-82> > > > > > Free Testosterone .3 0-2.2> > > > > > LH 11.8 Foll. 2.4-12.6, Ovul. > > > 14-95.6, > > > > Luteal 1-11.4, Postmeno 7.7-58.5> > > > > > FSH 9.0 Foll. 3.5-12.5, Ovul 4.7-> > > 21.5, > > > > Luteal 1.7-7.7, postmeno 25.8-134.8> > > > > > Progesterone 8.9 Foll .2-1.5, Luteal 1.7-27,Ovul > > > .8-3, > > > > Postmeno .1-.8> > > > > > DHEA-Sulfate 130.6 35.4-256> > > > > > Sex Horm Binding Glob, Serum 42.3 17-50y.o 26.1-110, > > > Postmeno > > > > .4-6.6> > > > > > Fr ee Androgen Index 2.2 .4-6.6> > > > > > Estradiol 62.3 Foll. 12.5-166, Ovul 85.8-498, > > > Luteal > > > > 43.8-211, Postmeno <6-54.7> > > > > > TSH 4.2 .45-4.5> > > > > > T4, Free .97 .82-1.77> > > > > > Triiodothyronine, Free 2.3 2.0-4.4> > > > > > TPO 5 0-34> > > > > > Antithyroglobulin Ab <20 0-40> > > > > > Vit A, Serum 40 19-83> > > > > > Vit E 21 3-15.8 HIGH> > > > > > WBC 6.3 4-10.5> > > > > > RBC 4.23 & nbsp; 3.8-5.10> > > > > > Hemoglobin 13 11.5-15> > > > > > Hematocrit 39.1 34-44> > > > > > MCV 92 80-98> > > > > > MCH 30.7 27-34> > > > > > MCHC 33.2 32-36> > > > > > RDW 14 11.7-15> > > > > > Platelets 290 140-415> > > > > > Neutrophils 58 40-74> > > > > > Lymphs 32 14-46> > > > > > Monocytes 8 4-13> > > > > > Eos 2 0-7> > > > > > Basos 0 0-3> > > > > > Glucose 110 HIGH 65-99> > > > > > BUN 15 5-26> > > > > > Creatinine 1.01 .57-1.0 HIGH> > > > > > eGFR 58 LOW >59> > > > > > Bun/Creatiine Ratio 15 8-27> > > > > > Sodium 140 135-145> > > > > > Potassium 4.5 3.5-5.2> > > > > > Chloride 104 97-108> > > > > > Carbon Dioxide 25 20-32> > > > > > Calcium 9 8.7-10.2> > > > > > Tot. Cholesterol 252 100-199 HIGH> > > > > > Triglycerides 73 0-149> > > > > > HDL 59 >39> > > > > > VLDL 15 5-40> > > > > > LDL 178 HIGH 0-99> > > > > > Candida Antibodies IgG <30 0-29> > > > > > IgM <10 0-9> > > > > > IgA <10 0-9> > > > > > Vit B12 1340 HIGH 211-946> > > > > > Folate 15.7 >3> > > > > > Hem A1c 5.9 HIGH> > > > > > Vit D, 25-Hydroxy 45.8 32-100> > > > > > Co Q10 1.06 .37-2.2> > > > > > C-Reactive Protein 1.98 Avg 1-3> > > > > > Homocysteine Plasma 7.3 0-15> > > > > > Ferritin, Seru m 24 13-150> > > >> > > > > > Thank you,> > > > > > LizR> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 For me, I decided I felt better on a rythmic dosing but at lower amounts than the standard wiley regimen. It took awhile to get it so I had a 28 day cycle and no negative effects like pms symtpoms. Some people like the static dosing that is the same each day of the 3 weeks on...and some people are happier not having a period. I was getting hot flashes with less estrogen and pms with more progesterone so it has been tricky to get it just right. On top of that the thyroid meds affect the whole thing also. It is a matter of getting everything in balance for yourself. Then stress or a depletion of critical nutrients can thow you out of balance as well. Too much testosterone (or DHEA) and your hair can fall out or grow more on your face. I have not been able to find a doctor who told me how much of everything....but i do have a doctor who listens and allows me to adjust things as needed. I have had to do my own research and ask questions of people in informative groups such as this. This is a good place to learn and get feedback. Sharon Remember! Dolls are people, too....have you hugged your dolls today? Visit my website! http://ohyoubeautifuldoll.webs.com--- Subject: Re: blood work/estrogenTo: RT3_T3 Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 9:59 PM Thank you. I have a lot to learn. If our levels are constantly changing, how would we know how much to take on a daily basis? Would we be just trying to approximate the perfect balanced cycle of a younger person? Re: blood work> > To: RT3_T3 (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com> > Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 8:38 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Val,> > > > So would you recommend that I only take estrogen? And what is > > the connection with pre-diabetes?> > > > Thank you!> > > > > So I am guessing these are in the LUTEAL phasse? If they are > > th > > > eestrogen is stil too low. With a range of 43.8-211 and you > > are > > > at 62.3 > > > I htink it would be MUCH better in the upper third of it;s > > range > > > too , > > > SO I thingk you DO need estrogne. Especially wiht pre-diabetes.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > Here are results with ranges. Just wanted to add that I > > > take 30 mg > > > > USP thyroid, then it was increased to double doses three > > times > > > a week > > > > which sent me above range on T4, so they dropped me back > to > > 30 > > > mg > > > > daily which produces these results making me hypo again. > > Val, > > > you've > > > > already said that I need to get the ferritin up before > > > anything else > > > > so that's what I'm doing.> >> > > > > >> > > > > > Hello,> > > > > > I know I have a RT3 problem already but am working on > getting> > > > ferritin> > > > > > up right now. In the meantime, I had these labs run 9 days> > > > > before my> > > > > > period came. I'm 52 y.o. female, hypo, pre-diabetic, still> > > > > > menstruating regularly. The doctor (D.O) gave me a > mixed bio> > > > > idential> > > > > > hormone cream - it says biest/progest/ testost 1 > mg/20mg/.25mg> > > > which I> > > > > > haven't tried yet because of the negative comments > here > > on a> > > > > mixed> > > > > > cream. Also my gyno says these results show I'm still making> > > > > estrogen> > > > > > so she says I shouldn't be taking estrogen. Would appreciate> > > > > opinions.>> > > > Testosterone, Serum 27 6-82> > > > > > Free Testosterone .3 0-2.2> > > > > > LH 11.8 Foll. 2.4-12.6, Ovul. > > > 14-95.6, > > > > Luteal 1-11.4, Postmeno 7.7-58.5> > > > > > FSH 9.0 Foll. 3.5-12.5, Ovul 4.7-> > > 21.5, > > > > Luteal 1.7-7.7, postmeno 25.8-134.8> > > > > > Progesterone 8.9 Foll .2-1.5, Luteal 1.7-27,Ovul > > > .8-3, > > > > Postmeno .1-.8> > > > > > DHEA-Sulfate 130.6 35.4-256> > > > > > Sex Horm Binding Glob, Serum 42.3 17-50y.o 26.1-110, > > > Postmeno > > > > .4-6.6> > > > > > Fr ee Androgen Index 2.2 .4-6.6> > > > > > Estradiol 62.3 Foll. 12.5-166, Ovul 85.8-498, > > > Luteal > > > > 43.8-211, Postmeno <6-54.7> > > > > > TSH 4.2 .45-4.5> > > > > > T4, Free .97 .82-1.77> > > > > > Triiodothyronine, Free 2.3 2.0-4.4> > > > > > TPO 5 0-34> > > > > > Antithyroglobulin Ab <20 0-40> > > > > > Vit A, Serum 40 19-83> > > > > > Vit E 21 3-15.8 HIGH> > > > > > WBC 6.3 4-10.5> > > > > > RBC 4.23 & nbsp; 3.8-5.10> > > > > > Hemoglobin 13 11.5-15> > > > > > Hematocrit 39.1 34-44> > > > > > MCV 92 80-98> > > > > > MCH 30.7 27-34> > > > > > MCHC 33.2 32-36> > > > > > RDW 14 11.7-15> > > > > > Platelets 290 140-415> > > > > > Neutrophils 58 40-74> > > > > > Lymphs 32 14-46> > > > > > Monocytes 8 4-13> > > > > > Eos 2 0-7> > > > > > Basos 0 0-3> > > > > > Glucose 110 HIGH 65-99> > > > > > BUN 15 5-26> > > > > > Creatinine 1.01 .57-1.0 HIGH> > > > > > eGFR 58 LOW >59> > > > > > Bun/Creatiine Ratio 15 8-27> > > > > > Sodium 140 135-145> > > > > > Potassium 4.5 3.5-5.2> > > > > > Chloride 104 97-108> > > > > > Carbon Dioxide 25 20-32> > > > > > Calcium 9 8.7-10.2> > > > > > Tot. Cholesterol 252 100-199 HIGH> > > > > > Triglycerides 73 0-149> > > > > > HDL 59 >39> > > > > > VLDL 15 5-40> > > > > > LDL 178 HIGH 0-99> > > > > > Candida Antibodies IgG <30 0-29> > > > > > IgM <10 0-9> > > > > > IgA <10 0-9> > > > > > Vit B12 1340 HIGH 211-946> > > > > > Folate 15.7 >3> > > > > > Hem A1c 5.9 HIGH> > > > > > Vit D, 25-Hydroxy 45.8 32-100> > > > > > Co Q10 1.06 ..37-2.2> > > > > > C-Reactive Protein 1.98 Avg 1-3> > > > > > Homocysteine Plasma 7.3 0-15> > > > > > Ferritin, Seru m 24 13-150> > > >> > > > > > Thank you,> > > > > > LizR> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 Sharon I sdisagree strongly that saliva is the best way of testing sex hormones oince on the creams. My OWN labs prove hat to be incorrect. I wasted my money testing wiht saliva through ZRT for sex hormones last year while on Testosterone cream and progesterone and it showed my levels through the roof higu , thne wihtin a month retest by serum and progesterone was just right and testosterone was still LOW. Increasing Testosterone has helped me wiht NO excess symtpoms and my doctor then explained whythe saliva testing is skewed when on TOPICAL hormmones it has to do wiht distribution and he was right on the money. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://faqhelp.webs.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ http://artisticgrooming.net/ It's not so much about whether you have a period or not as to whether your hormones are in balance. You can be having a period and still have low estrogen or progesterone.  Estrogen dominance also doesn't necessarily mean you have enough estrogen. You can have the environmental estrogens that come from plastics and pesticides and soy (which slows the thyroid) and not have enough of the right kind of estrogen or not have enough progesterone to balance it out. It is about getting things in balance and right for you.  Saliva testing is the best way to get a good picture of what's going on with your hormones.  Another reason why i am not happy about the idea of that 3-in-one cream is that it is a one size fits all proportion and everyone's needs are different.  Just MHO Sharon Remember! Dolls are people, too....have you hugged your dolls today? Visit my website! http://ohyoubeautifuldoll.webs.com > > From: lizbon (AT) optonline (DOT) net > Subject: Re: blood work > To: RT3_T3 (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com > Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 8:38 PM > > >  > > > > > Val, >  > So would you recommend that I only take estrogen? And what is > the connection with pre-diabetes? >  > Thank you! > > > So I am guessing these are in the LUTEAL phasse? If they are > th > > eestrogen is stil too low. With a range of 43.8-211 and you > are > > at 62.3 > > I htink it would be MUCH better in the upper third of it;s > range > > too , > > SO I thingk you DO need estrogne. Especially wiht pre-diabetes. > > > > > > > > > > > Here are results with ranges. Just wanted to add that I > > take 30 mg > > > USP thyroid, then it was increased to double doses three > times > > a week > > > which sent me above range on T4, so they dropped me back to > 30 > > mg > > > daily which produces these results making me hypo again. > Val, > > you've > > > already said that I need to get the ferritin up before > > anything else > > > so that's what I'm doing.> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > I know I have a RT3 problem already but am working on getting > > > > ferritin > > > > > up right now. In the meantime, I had these labs run 9 days > > > > before my > > > > > period came. I'm 52 y.o. female, hypo, pre-diabetic, still > > > > > menstruating regularly. The doctor (D.O) gave me a mixed bio > > > > idential > > > > > hormone cream - it says biest/progest/ testost 1 mg/20mg/.25mg > > > > which I > > > > > haven't tried yet because of the negative comments here > on a > > > > mixed > > > > > cream. Also my gyno says these results show I'm still making > > > > estrogen > > > > > so she says I shouldn't be taking estrogen. Would appreciate > > > > opinions.> > > > Testosterone, Serum 27 6-82 > > > > > Free Testosterone .3 0-2.2 > > > > > LH 11.8 Foll. 2.4-12.6, Ovul. > > 14-95.6, > > > Luteal 1-11.4, Postmeno 7.7-58.5 > > > > > FSH 9.0 Foll. 3.5-12.5, Ovul 4.7- > > 21.5, > > > Luteal 1.7-7.7, postmeno 25.8-134.8 > > > > > Progesterone 8.9 Foll .2-1.5, Luteal 1.7-27,Ovul > > .8-3, > > > Postmeno .1-.8 > > > > > DHEA-Sulfate 130.6 35.4-256 > > > > > Sex Horm Binding Glob, Serum 42.3 17-50y.o 26.1-110, > > Postmeno > > > .4-6.6 > > > > > Fr ee Androgen Index 2.2 .4-6.6 > > > > > Estradiol 62.3 Foll. 12.5-166, Ovul 85.8-498, > > Luteal > > > 43.8-211, Postmeno <6-54.7 > > > > > TSH 4.2 .45-4.5 > > > > > T4, Free .97 .82-1.77 > > > > > Triiodothyronine, Free 2.3 2.0-4.4 > > > > > TPO 5 0-34 > > > > > Antithyroglobulin Ab <20 0-40 > > > > > Vit A, Serum 40 19-83 > > > > > Vit E 21 3-15.8 HIGH > > > > > WBC 6.3 4-10.5 > > > > > RBC 4.23 & nbsp; 3.8-5.10 > > > > > Hemoglobin 13 11.5-15 > > > > > Hematocrit 39.1 34-44 > > > > > MCV 92 80-98 > > > > > MCH 30.7 27-34 > > > > > MCHC 33.2 32-36 > > > > > RDW 14 11.7-15 > > > > > Platelets 290 140-415 > > > > > Neutrophils 58 40-74 > > > > > Lymphs 32 14-46 > > > > > Monocytes 8 4-13 > > > > > Eos 2 0-7 > > > > > Basos 0 0-3 > > > > > Glucose 110 HIGH 65-99 > > > > > BUN 15 5-26 > > > > > Creatinine 1.01 .57-1.0 HIGH > > > > > eGFR 58 LOW >59 > > > > > Bun/Creatiine Ratio 15 8-27 > > > > > Sodium 140 135-145 > > > > > Potassium 4.5 3.5-5.2 > > > > > Chloride 104 97-108 > > > > > Carbon Dioxide 25 20-32 > > > > > Calcium 9 8.7-10.2 > > > > > Tot. Cholesterol 252 100-199 HIGH > > > > > Triglycerides 73 0-149 > > > > > HDL 59 >39 > > > > > VLDL 15 5-40 > > > > > LDL 178 HIGH 0-99 > > > > > Candida Antibodies IgG <30 0-29 > > > > > IgM <10 0-9 > > > > > IgA <10 0-9 > > > > > Vit B12 1340 HIGH 211-946 > > > > > Folate 15.7 >3 > > > > > Hem A1c 5.9 HIGH > > > > > Vit D, 25-Hydroxy 45.8 32-100 > > > > > Co Q10 1.06 .37-2.2 > > > > > C-Reactive Protein 1.98 Avg 1-3 > > > > > Homocysteine Plasma 7.3 0-15 > > > > > Ferritin, Seru m 24 13-150 > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > LizR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 Thank you. I will look up the wiley regimen to add to my knowledge. Re: blood work> > > To: RT3_T3 (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com> > > Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 8:38 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Val,> > > > > > So would you recommend that I only take estrogen? And what > is > > > the connection with pre-diabetes?> > > > > > Thank you!> > > > > > > So I am guessing these are in the LUTEAL phasse? If they > are > > > th > > > > eestrogen is stil too low. With a range of 43.8-211 and > you > > > are > > > > at 62.3 > > > > I htink it would be MUCH better in the upper third of it;s > > > range > > > > too , > > > > SO I thingk you DO need estrogne. Especially wiht pre-diabetes.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Here are results with ranges. Just wanted to add that > I > > > > take 30 mg > > > > > USP thyroid, then it was increased to double doses three > > > times > > > > a week > > > > > which sent me above range on T4, so they dropped me back > > to > > > 30 > > > > mg > > > > > daily which produces these results making me hypo again. > > > Val, > > > > you've > > > > > already said that I need to get the ferritin up before > > > > anything else > > > > > so that's what I'm doing.> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hello,> > > > > > > I know I have a RT3 problem already but am working > on > > getting> > > > ferritin> > > > > > > up right now. In the meantime, I had these labs run > 9 days> > > > > > before my> > > > > > > period came. I'm 52 y.o. female, hypo, pre-diabetic, still> > > > > > > menstruating regularly. The doctor (D.O) gave me a > > mixed bio> > > > > > idential> > > > > > > hormone cream - it says biest/progest/ testost 1 > > mg/20mg/.25mg> > > > which I> > > > > > > haven't tried yet because of the negative comments > > here > > > on a> > > > > > mixed> > > > > > > cream. Also my gyno says these results show I'm > still making> > > > > > estrogen> > > > > > > so she says I shouldn't be taking estrogen. Would > appreciate> > > > > opinions.>> > > > > Testosterone, Serum 27 6-82> > > > > > > Free Testosterone .3 0-2.2> > > > > > > LH 11.8 Foll. 2.4-12.6, Ovul. > > > > 14-95.6, > > > > > Luteal 1-11.4, Postmeno 7.7-58.5> > > > > > > FSH 9.0 Foll. 3.5-12.5, Ovul 4.7-> > > > 21.5, > > > > > Luteal 1.7-7.7, postmeno 25.8-134.8> > > > > > > Progesterone 8.9 Foll .2-1.5, Luteal 1.7-27,Ovul > > > > .8-3, > > > > > Postmeno .1-.8> > > > > > > DHEA-Sulfate 130.6 35.4-256> > > > > > > Sex Horm Binding Glob, Serum 42.3 17-50y.o 26.1-110, > > > > Postmeno > > > > > .4-6.6> > > > > > > Fr ee Androgen Index 2.2 .4-6.6> > > > > > > Estradiol 62.3 Foll. 12.5-166, Ovul 85.8-498, > > > > Luteal > > > > > 43.8-211, Postmeno <6-54.7> > > > > > > TSH 4.2 .45-4.5> > > > > > > T4, Free .97 .82-1.77> > > > > > > Triiodothyronine, Free 2.3 2.0-4.4> > > > > > > TPO 5 0-34> > > > > > > Antithyroglobulin Ab <20 0-40> > > > > > > Vit A, Serum 40 19-83> > > > > > > Vit E 21 3-15.8 HIGH> > > > > > > WBC 6.3 4-10.5> > > > > > > RBC 4.23 & nbsp; 3.8-5.10> > > > > > > Hemoglobin 13 11.5-15> > > > > > > Hematocrit 39.1 34-44> > > > > > > MCV 92 80-98> > > > > > > MCH 30.7 27-34> > > > > > > MCHC 33.2 32-36> > > > > > > RDW 14 11.7-15> > > > > > > Platelets 290 140-415> > > > > > > Neutrophils 58 40-74> > > > > > > Lymphs 32 14-46> > > > > > > Monocytes 8 4-13> > > > > > > Eos 2 0-7> > > > > > > Basos 0 0-3> > > > > > > Glucose 110 HIGH 65-99> > > > > > > BUN 15 5-26> > > > > > > Creatinine 1.01 .57-1.0 HIGH> > > > > > > eGFR 58 LOW >59> > > > > > > Bun/Creatiine Ratio 15 8-27> > > > > > > Sodium 140 135-145> > > > > > > Potassium 4.5 3.5-5.2> > > > > > > Chloride 104 97-108> > > > > > > Carbon Dioxide 25 20-32> > > > > > > Calcium 9 8.7-10.2> > > > > > > Tot. Cholesterol 252 100-199 HIGH> > > > > > > Triglycerides 73 0-149> > > > > > > HDL 59 >39> > > > > > > VLDL 15 5-40> > > > > > > LDL 178 HIGH 0-99> > > > > > > Candida Antibodies IgG <30 0-29> > > > > > > IgM <10 0-9> > > > > > > IgA <10 0-9> > > > > > > Vit B12 1340 HIGH 211-946> > > > > > > Folate 15.7 >3> > > > > > > Hem A1c 5.9 HIGH> > > > > > > Vit D, 25-Hydroxy 45.8 32-100> > > > > > > Co Q10 1.06 .37-2.2> > > > > > > C-Reactive Protein 1.98 Avg 1-3> > > > > > > Homocysteine Plasma 7.3 0-15> > > > > > > Ferritin, Seru m 24 13-150> > > > >> > > > > > > Thank you,> > > > > > > LizR> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 The Wiley Protocol has made so many women sick I really woudl not pursue it. It is EXTREME adn nothign with hormoes should EVER be extreme! We need NORMAL physiological levels of hormoens. Thsi includes sex hormoens. They DO need ot be adjusted for OUR systems and needs but Wiley p[rotocol is NOT this. >> >> >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ >> http://faqhelp.webs.com/ >> >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ >> http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ >> Thank you. I will look up the wiley regimen to add to my knowledge. Re: blood work > > > To: RT3_T3 (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com > > > Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 8:38 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Val, > > > > > > So would you recommend that I only take estrogen? And what > is > > > the connection with pre-diabet es? > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > > So I am guessing these are in the LUTEAL phasse? If they > are > > > th > > > > eestrogen is stil too low. With a range of 43.8-211 and > you > > > are > > > > at 62.3 > > > > I htink it would be MUCH better in the upper third of it;s > > > range > > > > too , > > > > SO I thingk you DO need estrogne. Especially wiht pre-diabetes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are results with ranges. Just wanted to add that > I > > > > take 30 mg > > > > > USP thyroid, then it was increased to double doses three > > > times > > > > a week > > > > > which sent me above range on T4, so they dropped me back < br>> > to > > > 30 > > > > mg > > > > > daily which produces these results making me hypo again. > > > Val, > > > > you've > > > > > already said that I need to get the ferritin up before > > > > anything else > > > > > so that's what I'm doing.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > I know I have a RT3 problem already but am working > on > > getting> > > > ferritin > > > > > > > up right now. In the meantime, I had these labs run > 9 days > > > > > > before my > > > > > > > period came. I'm 52 y.o. female, hypo, pre-diabetic, still > > > > > > > menstruating regularly. The doctor (D.O) gave me a > > mixed bio & g t; > > > > > idential > > > > > > > hormone cream - it says biest/progest/ testost 1 > > mg/20mg/.25mg> > > > which I > > > > > > > haven't tried yet because of the negative comments > > here > > > on a > > > > > > mixed > > > > > > > cream. Also my gyno says these results show I'm > still making > > > > > > estrogen > > > > > > > so she says I shouldn't be taking estrogen. Would > appreciate> > > > > opinions.> > > > > > Testosterone, Serum 27 6-82 > > > > > > > Free Testosterone .3 0-2.2 > > > > > > > LH 11.8 Foll. 2.4-12.6, Ovul. > > > > 14-95.6, > > > > > Luteal 1-11.4, Postmeno 7.7-58.5 > > > > > > > FSH 9.0 Foll. 3.5-12.5 , Ovul 4.7- > > > > 21.5, > > > > > Luteal 1.7-7.7, postmeno 25.8-134.8 > > > > > > > Progesterone 8.9 Foll .2-1.5, Luteal 1.7-27,Ovul > > > > .8-3, > > > > > Postmeno .1-.8 > > > > > > > DHEA-Sulfate 130.6 35.4-256 > > > > > > > Sex Horm Binding Glob, Serum 42.3 17-50y.o 26.1-110, > > > > Postmeno > > > > > .4-6.6 > > > > > > > Fr ee Androgen Index 2.2 .4-6.6 > > > > > > > Estradiol 62.3 Foll. 12.5-166, Ovul 85.8-498, > > > > Luteal > > > > > 43.8-211, Postmeno <6-54.7 > > > > > > > TSH 4.2 .45-4.5 > > > > > > > T4, Free .97 .82-1.77 > > > > > > > Triiodothyronine, Free 2.3 2.0-4.4 > > > > > > > TPO 5 0-34 > > > > > > > Antithyroglobulin Ab <20 0-40 > > > > > > > Vit A, Serum 40 19-83 > > > > > > > Vit E 21 3-15.8 HIGH > > > > > > > WBC 6.3 4-10.5 > > > > > > > RBC 4.23 & nbsp; 3.8-5.10 > > > > > > > Hemoglobin 13 11.5-15 > > > > > > > Hematocrit 39.1 34-44 > > > > > > > MCV 92 80-98 > > > > > > > MCH 30.7 27-34 > > > > > > > MCHC 33.2 32-36 > > > > > > > RDW 14 11.7-15 > > > > > > > Platelets 290 140-415 > > > > > > > Neutrophils 58 40-74 > > > > > > > Lymphs 32 14-46 > > > > > > > Monocytes 8 4-13 > > > > > > > Eos 2 0-7 > > > > > > > Basos 0 0-3 > > > > > > > G lucose 110 HIGH 65-99 > > > > > > > BUN 15 5-26 > > > > > > > Creatinine 1.01 .57-1.0 HIGH > > > > > > > eGFR 58 LOW >59 > > > > > > > Bun/Creatiine Ratio 15 8-27 > > > > > > > Sodium 140 135-145 > > > > > > > Potassium 4.5 3.5-5.2 > > > > > > > Chloride 104 97-108 > > > > > > > Carbon Dioxide 25 20-32 > > > > > > > Calcium 9 8.7-10.2 > > > > > > > Tot. Cholesterol 252 100-199 HIGH > > > > > > > Triglycerides 73 0-149 > > > > > > > HDL 59 >39 > > > > > > > VLDL 15 5-40 > > > > > > > LDL 178 HIGH 0-99 > > > > > > > Candida Antibodies IgG <30 0-29 > > > > > > > IgM <10 0-9 > > > ; > > > > IgA <10 0-9 > > > > > > > Vit B12 1340 HIGH 211-946 > > > > > > > Folate 15.7 >3 > > > > > > > Hem A1c 5.9 HIGH > > > > > > > Vit D, 25-Hydroxy 45.8 32-100 > > > > > > > Co Q10 1.06 .37-2.2 > > > > > > > C-Reactive Protein 1.98 Avg 1-3 > > > > > > > Homocysteine Plasma 7.3 0-15 > > > > > > > Ferritin, Seru m 24 13-150 > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > LizR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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