Re: Understanding difference between high FreeT3 and pooling

[Guest guest]

I am not a mod, but what happens is that if your adrenals cannot handle the

amount of t3 you are taking, the t3 pools in the blood and doesn't get into the

cells, so that's why the temps don't go up.

Also, ferritin is not the sole indicator anymore we have learned of iron status.

You need a full iron panel which shows serum iron, TIBC and % saturation.

Ferritin can look high due to inflammation.

Yo may have gone past your " sweet spot " on the t3 dose while the receptors were

still blocked and so it's so hard on the adrenals that the 40 HC is not enough.

If you lower your dose the stress will ease up and hopefully then the t3 will

get into your cells.

Kathleen

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> Moderators,

>

> I am trying to understand the difference. I just had my labs in and I had a

high FT3 over the range, and Val indicated I had too much T3 and it was

stressing my adrenals.

>

> What I don't understand is how can I have high FT3 and have low temps?

>

> I was slowling increasing my T3 and could never budge past my 98.0F avg. It

was like 6 months of slow increases.

>

> Then when I got to 100mcg of T3 I was getting hypo. I thought I had reached

resistence, the T4 stopped but my receptors were still blocked. But as I slowly

increased I felt so much worse.

>

> Why didn't I clear along the way and ended up with high FT3?

>

> My beginning ratio was an 8 and my HC was 40mg.

>

> Did my low potassium kept me from getting clearance? I know a low ferritin

can and my ferritin was very good.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Not sure how I missed my 'sweet spot' when I have been going so slow upon my

increases. I cut back down to 80 as Val suggested. I do feel much better.

I know about the iron and had the full panel done, it was fine and don't need to

take iron anymore.

I have been trying to use my temps as an indicator that I am getting T3 into my

cells, but I can't seem to budge past 98.0F.

I did the electrolytes and they were a little off on the potassium and Val

indicated to get the levels back up. Maybe that is causing my issues of not

getting my temps up?

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> >

> > Moderators,

> >

> > I am trying to understand the difference. I just had my labs in and I had a

high FT3 over the range, and Val indicated I had too much T3 and it was

stressing my adrenals.

> >

> > What I don't understand is how can I have high FT3 and have low temps?

> >

> > I was slowling increasing my T3 and could never budge past my 98.0F avg. It

was like 6 months of slow increases.

> >

> > Then when I got to 100mcg of T3 I was getting hypo. I thought I had reached

resistence, the T4 stopped but my receptors were still blocked. But as I slowly

increased I felt so much worse.

> >

> > Why didn't I clear along the way and ended up with high FT3?

> >

> > My beginning ratio was an 8 and my HC was 40mg.

> >

> > Did my low potassium kept me from getting clearance? I know a low ferritin

can and my ferritin was very good.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

When temps don't go up on the T3 treatment and you are sure the adrenals

and iron are good, it is time to check ou tthe sex hormones. Low

progesterone can cause low temps too!

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.org/

http://www.health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://www.faqhelp.webs.com/

http://www.health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

> Not sure how I missed my 'sweet spot' when I have been going so slow upon my

increases. I cut back down to 80 as Val suggested. I do feel much better.

>

> I know about the iron and had the full panel done, it was fine and don't need

to take iron anymore.

>

> I have been trying to use my temps as an indicator that I am getting T3 into

my cells, but I can't seem to budge past 98.0F.

>

> I did the electrolytes and they were a little off on the potassium and Val

indicated to get the levels back up. Maybe that is causing my issues of not

getting my temps up?

>

> -

>

>

>>

>>> Moderators,

>>>

>>> I am trying to understand the difference. I just had my labs in and I had a

high FT3 over the range, and Val indicated I had too much T3 and it was

stressing my adrenals.

>>>

>>> What I don't understand is how can I have high FT3 and have low temps?

>>>

>>> I was slowling increasing my T3 and could never budge past my 98.0F avg. It

was like 6 months of slow increases.

>>>

>>> Then when I got to 100mcg of T3 I was getting hypo. I thought I had reached

resistence, the T4 stopped but my receptors were still blocked. But as I slowly

increased I felt so much worse.

>>>

>>> Why didn't I clear along the way and ended up with high FT3?

>>>

>>> My beginning ratio was an 8 and my HC was 40mg.

>>>

>>> Did my low potassium kept me from getting clearance? I know a low ferritin

can and my ferritin was very good.

>>>

>>> Thanks,

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>

>

>

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> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences.

Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Yahoo! Groups

Links

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>

[Guest guest]

I see a doctor tomorrow on starting on a new protocol for my sex hormones. I do

not have my sex hormones labs in front of me, but he told me my testesterone was

tanked and needed it. He told me my progesterone was a little low and he would

increase it. Though I am taking 100mg of progesterone a day.

This is the most interesting. I had a complete hysterectomy so I don't have any

ovaries. He checked my FSH, SHBG and Estradiol.

He said the Estradiol was enough, though I told him it doesnt' seem like I have

enough estrogen. so he checked the FSH and SHBG and told me he never seen

anyone with such high values before. He said if I have the right balance of

hormones, my FSH should be turned off. But the high SHBG is keeping me from

utilizing my sex hormones.

He says he thinks the high SHBG is from not having enough testerone.

> >>

> >>> Moderators,

> >>>

> >>> I am trying to understand the difference. I just had my labs in and I had

a high FT3 over the range, and Val indicated I had too much T3 and it was

stressing my adrenals.

> >>>

> >>> What I don't understand is how can I have high FT3 and have low temps?

> >>>

> >>> I was slowling increasing my T3 and could never budge past my 98.0F avg.

It was like 6 months of slow increases.

> >>>

> >>> Then when I got to 100mcg of T3 I was getting hypo. I thought I had

reached resistence, the T4 stopped but my receptors were still blocked. But as

I slowly increased I felt so much worse.

> >>>

> >>> Why didn't I clear along the way and ended up with high FT3?

> >>>

> >>> My beginning ratio was an 8 and my HC was 40mg.

> >>>

> >>> Did my low potassium kept me from getting clearance? I know a low

ferritin can and my ferritin was very good.

> >>>

> >>> Thanks,

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

[Guest guest]

High SHBG is nto from low anythign it is from high T3 or high estrogen

or high testosterone and it binds al three. Thus you need top of range

toal levels ot compensate when you are takign T3 only as that will raise

SHBG and thus we nened a bit more of the sex hormoens than when we were

hypo.

http://www.nthadrenalsweb.com

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://faqhelp.webs.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

http://artisticgrooming.net/

> I see a doctor tomorrow on starting on a new protocol for my sex hormones. I

do not have my sex hormones labs in front of me, but he told me my testesterone

was tanked and needed it. He told me my progesterone was a little low and he

would increase it. Though I am taking 100mg of progesterone a day.

>

> This is the most interesting. I had a complete hysterectomy so I don't have

any ovaries. He checked my FSH, SHBG and Estradiol.

>

> He said the Estradiol was enough, though I told him it doesnt' seem like I

have enough estrogen. so he checked the FSH and SHBG and told me he never seen

anyone with such high values before. He said if I have the right balance of

hormones, my FSH should be turned off. But the high SHBG is keeping me from

utilizing my sex hormones.

>

> He says he thinks the high SHBG is from not having enough testerone.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>>>>

>>>>> Moderators,

>>>>>

>>>>> I am trying to understand the difference. I just had my labs in and I had

a high FT3 over the range, and Val indicated I had too much T3 and it was

stressing my adrenals.

>>>>>

>>>>> What I don't understand is how can I have high FT3 and have low temps?

>>>>>

>>>>> I was slowling increasing my T3 and could never budge past my 98.0F avg.

It was like 6 months of slow increases.

>>>>>

>>>>> Then when I got to 100mcg of T3 I was getting hypo. I thought I had

reached resistence, the T4 stopped but my receptors were still blocked. But as

I slowly increased I felt so much worse.

>>>>>

>>>>> Why didn't I clear along the way and ended up with high FT3?

>>>>>

>>>>> My beginning ratio was an 8 and my HC was 40mg.

>>>>>

>>>>> Did my low potassium kept me from getting clearance? I know a low

ferritin can and my ferritin was very good.

>>>>>

>>>>> Thanks,

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> ------------------------------------

>>>

>>> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

[Guest guest]

Actually Doc is right.

While Estrogen, Thyroid Hormones & Natural Progesterone all increase SHBG.

Testosterone, DHEA & synthetic Progesterone LOWER it.

as detailed in this post

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/39082

SHBG Explained as per Dr Romeo no

Increases SHBG:

Estrogens (particularly Estradiol)

Progesterone (by increasing Estrogen receptors)

Thyroid Hormone (particularly Hyperthyroidism)

Liver Disease

Anorexia, Starvation

Hypoglycemia (low Insulin)

Reduces SHBG:

Insulin (and insulin resistance)

Testosterone

Growth Hormone

DHEA

Other Androgens

Obesity

Hypothyroidism

Excessive Cortisol (Cushing's Syndrome or Disease)

Progestins i.e. synthetic non bio-identical progesterone (by blocking

Progesterone's effects)

Lethal Lee

> > I see a doctor tomorrow on starting on a new protocol for my sex hormones.

I do not have my sex hormones labs in front of me, but he told me my

testesterone was tanked and needed it. He told me my progesterone was a little

low and he would increase it. Though I am taking 100mg of progesterone a day.

> >

> > This is the most interesting. I had a complete hysterectomy so I don't have

any ovaries. He checked my FSH, SHBG and Estradiol.

> >

> > He said the Estradiol was enough, though I told him it doesnt' seem like I

have enough estrogen. so he checked the FSH and SHBG and told me he never seen

anyone with such high values before. He said if I have the right balance of

hormones, my FSH should be turned off. But the high SHBG is keeping me from

utilizing my sex hormones.

> >

> > He says he thinks the high SHBG is from not having enough testerone.

[Guest guest]

Actually Doc is right.

While Estrogen, Thyroid Hormones & Natural Progesterone all increase SHBG.

Testosterone, DHEA & synthetic Progesterone LOWER it.

as detailed in this post

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/39082

SHBG Explained as per Dr Romeo no

Increases SHBG:

Estrogens (particularly Estradiol)

Progesterone (by increasing Estrogen receptors)

Thyroid Hormone (particularly Hyperthyroidism)

Liver Disease

Anorexia, Starvation

Hypoglycemia (low Insulin)

Reduces SHBG:

Insulin (and insulin resistance)

Testosterone

Growth Hormone

DHEA

Other Androgens

Obesity

Hypothyroidism

Excessive Cortisol (Cushing's Syndrome or Disease)

Progestins i.e. synthetic non bio-identical progesterone (by blocking

Progesterone's effects)

Lethal Lee

> > I see a doctor tomorrow on starting on a new protocol for my sex hormones.

I do not have my sex hormones labs in front of me, but he told me my

testesterone was tanked and needed it. He told me my progesterone was a little

low and he would increase it. Though I am taking 100mg of progesterone a day.

> >

> > This is the most interesting. I had a complete hysterectomy so I don't have

any ovaries. He checked my FSH, SHBG and Estradiol.

> >

> > He said the Estradiol was enough, though I told him it doesnt' seem like I

have enough estrogen. so he checked the FSH and SHBG and told me he never seen

anyone with such high values before. He said if I have the right balance of

hormones, my FSH should be turned off. But the high SHBG is keeping me from

utilizing my sex hormones.

> >

> > He says he thinks the high SHBG is from not having enough testerone.

[Guest guest]

Actually Doc is right.

While Estrogen, Thyroid Hormones & Natural Progesterone all increase SHBG.

Testosterone, DHEA & synthetic Progesterone LOWER it.

as detailed in this post

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/39082

SHBG Explained as per Dr Romeo no

Increases SHBG:

Estrogens (particularly Estradiol)

Progesterone (by increasing Estrogen receptors)

Thyroid Hormone (particularly Hyperthyroidism)

Liver Disease

Anorexia, Starvation

Hypoglycemia (low Insulin)

Reduces SHBG:

Insulin (and insulin resistance)

Testosterone

Growth Hormone

DHEA

Other Androgens

Obesity

Hypothyroidism

Excessive Cortisol (Cushing's Syndrome or Disease)

Progestins i.e. synthetic non bio-identical progesterone (by blocking

Progesterone's effects)

Lethal Lee

> > I see a doctor tomorrow on starting on a new protocol for my sex hormones.

I do not have my sex hormones labs in front of me, but he told me my

testesterone was tanked and needed it. He told me my progesterone was a little

low and he would increase it. Though I am taking 100mg of progesterone a day.

> >

> > This is the most interesting. I had a complete hysterectomy so I don't have

any ovaries. He checked my FSH, SHBG and Estradiol.

> >

> > He said the Estradiol was enough, though I told him it doesnt' seem like I

have enough estrogen. so he checked the FSH and SHBG and told me he never seen

anyone with such high values before. He said if I have the right balance of

hormones, my FSH should be turned off. But the high SHBG is keeping me from

utilizing my sex hormones.

> >

> > He says he thinks the high SHBG is from not having enough testerone.

[Guest guest]

This is great. Exactly what I needed to understand this.

> > > I see a doctor tomorrow on starting on a new protocol for my sex hormones.

I do not have my sex hormones labs in front of me, but he told me my

testesterone was tanked and needed it. He told me my progesterone was a little

low and he would increase it. Though I am taking 100mg of progesterone a day.

> > >

> > > This is the most interesting. I had a complete hysterectomy so I don't

have any ovaries. He checked my FSH, SHBG and Estradiol.

> > >

> > > He said the Estradiol was enough, though I told him it doesnt' seem like I

have enough estrogen. so he checked the FSH and SHBG and told me he never seen

anyone with such high values before. He said if I have the right balance of

hormones, my FSH should be turned off. But the high SHBG is keeping me from

utilizing my sex hormones.

> > >

> > > He says he thinks the high SHBG is from not having enough testerone.

>

[Guest guest]

But Lee, when I started supplementing testosterone, my SHBG went a LOT higher

and my D.O.M. said it was from taking testosterone. I alwasy thought only

estrogen raised SHBG. (In fact, I used to go to a doctor who only used SHBG to

determine estrogen status, which I now realize is NOT an accurate way to do

things.)

At any rate, when my SHBG shot up, I wasn't even on any t3 back then or very,

very tiny dose, like 18.75, and it went from 54 to 99, so I don't think it was

the t3 increasing it. And I had been on natural PG topical for several years

with no increase of SHBG either, so the only culprit was the testosterone that I

can think of. Now, of course, all my t3 can be increasing it. In fact, I had to

double the amount of testosterone I was using.

Kathleen

> > > I see a doctor tomorrow on starting on a new protocol for my sex hormones.

I do not have my sex hormones labs in front of me, but he told me my

testesterone was tanked and needed it. He told me my progesterone was a little

low and he would increase it. Though I am taking 100mg of progesterone a day.

> > >

> > > This is the most interesting. I had a complete hysterectomy so I don't

have any ovaries. He checked my FSH, SHBG and Estradiol.

> > >

> > > He said the Estradiol was enough, though I told him it doesnt' seem like I

have enough estrogen. so he checked the FSH and SHBG and told me he never seen

anyone with such high values before. He said if I have the right balance of

hormones, my FSH should be turned off. But the high SHBG is keeping me from

utilizing my sex hormones.

> > >

> > > He says he thinks the high SHBG is from not having enough testerone.

>

[Guest guest]

I answered this here

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/49557

Lethal Lee

> > > > I see a doctor tomorrow on starting on a new protocol for my sex

hormones. I do not have my sex hormones labs in front of me, but he told me my

testesterone was tanked and needed it. He told me my progesterone was a little

low and he would increase it. Though I am taking 100mg of progesterone a day.

> > > >

> > > > This is the most interesting. I had a complete hysterectomy so I don't

have any ovaries. He checked my FSH, SHBG and Estradiol.

> > > >

> > > > He said the Estradiol was enough, though I told him it doesnt' seem like

I have enough estrogen. so he checked the FSH and SHBG and told me he never

seen anyone with such high values before. He said if I have the right balance

of hormones, my FSH should be turned off. But the high SHBG is keeping me from

utilizing my sex hormones.

> > > >

> > > > He says he thinks the high SHBG is from not having enough testerone.

> >

>