Re: much better, but not sleeping long

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> I joined this group about 2 years ago and followed the protocol with amazing

results. Within just a few months I felt I could do anything! (Comparatively

speaking.) Of course, I've had my ups and downs, but overall I'm doing great

compared to 2 years ago. I found out about a year ago that the reason for my

hormones being out of whack is Lyme. Lyme tends to keep things messed up, so

it's been hard to get all the way better, but I can function at a good level

most of the time. Still can't work because of memory issues and when I do too

much I flare, but I can take care of my family now. :-)

>

> So, for the last 6 months or so I've had one major complaint. I can only

sleep about 5 or 6 hours then I'm up! It's not horrible, I know, but it is

starting to get to me! And it doesn't matter what time I go to bed. If I go to

bed at 10 (like last night), I'm up between 3 and 4. If I go to bed at 1am, I'm

up between 6 and 7. 2 years ago, I was a 10 or 11 hour a night sleeper, so I

seem to have gone to the extreme the other way!

>

> When I wake up after the 5 or 6 hours of sleep, I'm up! I can not go back to

sleep. Maybe once or twice a month I can, but usually not. And I rarely need a

nap during the day to get through, except when it gets close to my period. So,

on the surface, it doesn't seem bad, but I just feel that this has to do with my

memory issues and inability to lose any more weight and the other minor

complaints I have. I just don't think I'm one of those people who only needs a

little bit of sleep!

>

> I've played with my T3 dose a bit thinking I was taking too much and that was

keeping me from sleeping. On average I take about 75 mcg. Usually during the

summer I take a little less - 50 to 62.5 mcg. I've recently been trying 50 mcg

and while I still feel pretty ok on it, my bowels slow down to a crawl!

>

> My basal temps are pretty stable, but a little low right now - 97.6 to 97.8.

I haven't been tracking my dailies. Blood pressure is good too. I take 25-30

mg cortisol, 1 mg florinef, and 20 mg progesterone on days 5 to 25 of my cycle,

plus a whole host of supplements including magnesium and iron. I had labs done

about 2 weeks ago, but haven't gotten the results yet. I can probably get them

in the next few days.

>

> Would love to know your thoughts on what is keeping me from sleeping! I can't

seem to figure it out or even come up with something!

>

> Thanks so much!

>

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August 8, 2010

Thanks for the quick reply! :-)For cortisol, I take the typical 30mg schedule - 10/10/5/5 with the last dose at bedtime. I almost always forget the evening dose (4pm dose - 3rd dose of the day). Could that measley 5mg be my nemesis? I was thinking of taking it with the 5mg at bedtime since I keep forgetting it. Would that be too much though at once right before bed?For my T3, you are gonna think I'm crazy. Once Val said that she would take all of hers at night, so I decided to try that! I take my entire T3 dose at bedtime. My thought is that's when the body makes the most T3, so why not go with the natural rhythm! But I think I've been doing that longer than I've been

having sleep issues, so I'm not convinced that's the problem! (Although I could be wrong!)I don't wake up hungry or with the adrenaline. If I did, then I'd know how to fix that! I'm just very much awake and unable to go back to sleep. I'm not anxious or anything when I wake up. After 20-30 minutes (sometimes I wait an hour or more) I just get up and go ahead and get started on my day coz I can't sleep anyway!I eat very little carbs (only veggies/nuts) and primarily eat protein/fats. (I'm loving Cruise's books right now!) I try not to snack after dinner, but if I do it's something like cheese or something with coconut oil. I've tried not eating anything and eating plenty of protein/fats, but it doesn't seem to affect my sleep. For a while I was using GABA and was getting 7 hours of sleep, but that wore off. Maybe I should try it again,

coz it's been a while. Maybe increase the dose a bit?Thanks so much!

August 8, 2010

Hi Val! Good to hear from you! :-)I'm actually doing very little for the Lyme! Well, in terms of your typical treatments anyway! I just can't do the ABX's - it just doesn't seem right to me! (With all the side effects and all.) I was doing some of the alternative protocols (salt/C, teasel/GSE) but am currently taking a break from all of that. The thing is, I don't see any real difference! I have felt the same just working on my hormones as when I do the protocols for Lyme taking all the extra supplements and such. Right now I'm just focusing on my diet and making sure my hormones are right and that seems to work for me.I do take melatonin at night (3mg). I'm

wondering if it's the estrogen. I've been taking progesterone for a while... started maybe 4 months prior to the sleep issues. Maybe it's too much and making my estrogen functionally too low? The progesterone made my migraines 90% better, but it may be too much for me to sleep well!?! I just did labs for a bunch of things, so we'll see how that comes out. I should be able to get them tomorrow - it's been about 2 weeks since I did them. It's all blood labs, but it's all I can do right now. Can't afford the saliva tests at the moment! I do need to update them, but it will have to wait a while! Will post my labs when I get them!Thanks so much for your help! To: RT3_T3 Sent: Sun, August 8, 2010 4:52:06 AMSubject: Re: much better, but not sleeping long

Hi ! Glad to hear you are doign so well, maybe we can help iron out

the last of your issues. First, what are you doing for the Lyme? Have

you tried long term AB's? It is also VERY possible and even likely oyu

actually need less HC now with thyroid issues corrected. have you tried

melatonin? Wiht all other hormones being low, you may need htis vital

one as well. OR you may need estrogen. Low estrogen can cause this kind

of sleep issue.

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August 8, 2010

>For my T3, you are gonna think I'm crazy. Once Val said that she would take

all

>of hers at night, so I decided to try that! I take my entire T3 dose at

>bedtime. My thought is that's when the body makes the most T3, so why not go

>with the natural rhythm! But I think I've been doing that longer than I've

been

>having sleep issues, so I'm not convinced that's the problem! (Although I

could

>be wrong!)

Interesting approach and it may be worth changing it to see if it

helps

Try taking T3 each time you take HC with it spread evenly through the

day.

Too much T3 at once can deplete adrenals.

It may be with setting an alarm on your phone to remind you to take

each dose.

There are lots of interactions between HC and T3 dosing and finding

the combination that works for each of us is a puzzle

Nick

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for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

For lots of good information of adrenal issues

and the adrenal group on

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August 8, 2010

I woudl split the dose. I think it is too much at night and you

would feel better wiht at leatsa 2 times a day dose. I tried once and

even twice a dya and it is too much for me whith good adrneal funciton.

I am back to 4 times a dya and do really well with that.

http://www.health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

Thanks for the quick reply! :-)

For cortisol, I take the typical 30mg schedule - 10/10/5/5 with

the last dose at bedtime. I almost always forget the evening dose (4pm

dose - 3rd dose of the day). Could that measley 5mg be my nemesis? I

was thinking of taking it with the 5mg at bedtime since I keep

forgetting it. Would that be too much though at once right before bed?

For my T3, you are gonna think I'm crazy. Once Val said that

she would take all of hers at night, so I decided to try that! I take

my entire T3 dose at bedtime. My thought is that's when the body makes

the most T3, so why not go with the natural rhythm! But I think I've

been doing that longer than I've been having sleep issues, so I'm not

convinced that's the problem! (Although I could be wrong!)

I don't wake up hungry or with the adrenaline. If I did, then

I'd know how to fix that! I'm just very much awake and unable to go

back to sleep. I'm not anxious or anything when I wake up. After

20-30 minutes (sometimes I wait an hour or more) I just get up and go

ahead and get started on my day coz I can't sleep anyway!

I eat very little carbs (only veggies/nuts) and primarily eat

protein/fats. (I'm loving Cruise's books right now!) I try not

to snack after dinner, but if I do it's something like cheese or

something with coconut oil. I've tried not eating anything and eating

plenty of protein/fats, but it doesn't seem to affect my sleep. For a

while I was using GABA and was getting 7 hours of sleep, but that wore

off. Maybe I should try it again, coz it's been a while. Maybe

increase the dose a bit?

Thanks so much!

August 8, 2010

Yuo can't get reliable results for cortilwl testing while oN HC anyway.

I am in the midst of treating Mycoplasma Pneumonia. Which has probabyl

been present since I got really sick 15 years ago do I am on long term

AB's Azithromycin seems ot work best for me so I have fingers crossed.

http://www.health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

Hi Val! Good to hear from you! :-)

I'm actually doing very little for the Lyme! Well, in terms of

your typical treatments anyway! I just can't do the ABX's - it just

doesn't seem right to me! (With all the side effects and all.) I was

doing some of the alternative protocols (salt/C, teasel/GSE) but am

currently taking a break from all of that. The thing is, I don't see

any real difference! I have felt the same just working on my hormones

as when I do the protocols for Lyme taking all the extra supplements

and such. Right now I'm just focusing on my diet and making sure my

hormones are right and that seems to work for me.

I do take melatonin at night (3mg). I'm wondering if it's the

estrogen. I've been taking progesterone for a while... started maybe 4

months prior to the sleep issues. Maybe it's too much and making my

estrogen functionally too low? The progesterone made my migraines 90%

better, but it may be too much for me to sleep well!?!

I just did labs for a bunch of things, so we'll see how that

comes out. I should be able to get them tomorrow - it's been about 2

weeks since I did them. It's all blood labs, but it's all I can do

right now. Can't afford the saliva tests at the moment! I do need to

update them, but it will have to wait a while! Will post my labs when

I get them!

Thanks so much for your help!

From:

T

To:

RT3_T3

Sent: Sun, August 8,

2010 4:52:06 AM

Subject: Re:

much better, but not sleeping long

Hi ! Glad to hear you are doign so well, maybe we can help

iron out

the last of your issues. First, what are you doing for the Lyme? Have

you tried long term AB's? It is also VERY possible and even likely oyu

actually need less HC now with thyroid issues corrected. have you tried

melatonin? Wiht all other hormones being low, you may need htis vital

one as well. OR you may need estrogen. Low estrogen can cause this kind

of sleep issue.

http://www.health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/