Guest guest Posted March 16, 1999 Report Share Posted March 16, 1999 << Do you think poor self-image contributes to obesity or that obesity causes poor self-image? Is this a chicken/egg question?<<< >> Dear and Kim for me it really is the chicken/egg question. I probably overate because of emotional problems and these might have stemmed from poor self-image. But once overweight, obesity definately caused a much worse self-image. A devastating image really. I know this because my self-image has changed sooooo much since I lost weight. I actually feel confident, pretty and am happy as can be thanks to the band. People react to me very differently too, they are much nicer to me now. So yes, I do think that obesity causes poor self-image. How could it not in the fatist society we live in. Just my 2 cents worth hugs Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 1999 Report Share Posted March 16, 1999 << Do you think poor self-image contributes to obesity or that obesity causes poor self-image? Is this a chicken/egg question?<<< >> Dear and Kim for me it really is the chicken/egg question. I probably overate because of emotional problems and these might have stemmed from poor self-image. But once overweight, obesity definately caused a much worse self-image. A devastating image really. I know this because my self-image has changed sooooo much since I lost weight. I actually feel confident, pretty and am happy as can be thanks to the band. People react to me very differently too, they are much nicer to me now. So yes, I do think that obesity causes poor self-image. How could it not in the fatist society we live in. Just my 2 cents worth hugs Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 1999 Report Share Posted March 16, 1999 Dear , That is a wonderful topic, I also brought it up at Dr. 's post-op support group. As I look in the mirror after loosing a little over 100 lbs. and I still see the same person. My body image really has not changed at all and that scares me. > Do you think poor self-image contributes to obesity or that obesity causes poor self-image? Is this a chicken/egg question?<<< I am diffidently an emotional eater, when life is stressful and have feelings of being overwhelmed, nothing will stop me from eating. But in non-stressful times I should have been " thin " and that is not true either, I just continue to eat. The thinnest that I have been in my adult life was in the low 200's. I started to slowly gain weight but emotional this where great times. I seemed to hold at 260 lbs. for a few years and then my father died suddenly and gained about 100 lbs. in a year. Emotionally I was falling apart and nothing seems to matter, I just kept feeding an empty feeling deep inside. I always thought that I had a healthy self-image, I like myself, feel successful in my career, have wonder friends and family, a great social life; but regardless of all these things I have been obese my whole life. I have spent time in therapy with a weight specialist to answer the original question, but to be honest I am no closer now then I was when I started. I would love to hear others points of view, Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 1999 Report Share Posted March 16, 1999 dear kim, oh beautiful kim, save your $, the therapist is only a set of ears. this line is free and so is my advice. listen to your story a minute the answer is there. first off this is my theory and only my theory. EVERYONE over eats even true thin people. there are no real foods anymore, we are products of our enviornment. we changed the entire planet when we stated experimenting with the atom bomb. our first tests were done right in our own deserts, jeeze. if people dont think that changes things from the ground up. then we started processing food, and re-prcessing and re-..and on and on until the nutrition is zapped rite out and we would be better off eating the packaging. so we are all malnourished, sad isn't it? now that is one and only one small part of my theory..then there is the hungry heart, as i call it. NOTHING seems to lighten this but comfort. and haven't we all made food a comfort thing..Mom makes chicken soup if we are sick, you stop by to see a friend and you are upset..out comes the coffee and you know what follows that...irish wiskey, lol...no im kidding (maybe) anyway, and a few of us have a tough time with a few pounds at first and then we diet and then we gain and then we diet and then....well so the body stops knowing what to do. Burn, store..burn, store jeeze again, (i am sighing now), so it just says, enough is enough, im not doing a damn thing this is JUST TO HARD and bingo obesity. now who said it would be easy. we are unlucky in the group we are in the " O " (obese,ugh i hate that word) group, but look how our luck has changed..we are now in the " B " (bandsters) something to make this journey easier, NOT faster, but easier. we still have the free will to open our mouths and screw it up, but the task is easier in the right frame of mind. yes i know here we are at the beginning, the HEAD and therapy..but i still say. " you can do it, you are a smart and beautiful girl " and one thing you forgot to tell the group is YOU ARE a SURVIVOR! so pull those boot straps up, dust yourself off and just go for it, twisted. Who luvs ya baby..OOXXOO ibselle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 1999 Report Share Posted March 17, 1999 You put that so beautifully and truthfully, Kim. I agree withyou. Regards At 07:26 AM 17/03/1999 EST, you wrote: >From: Ibselle@... > >dear kim, >oh beautiful kim, save your $, the therapist is only a set of ears. this line >is free and so is my advice. listen to your story a minute the answer is >there. first off this is my theory and only my theory. EVERYONE over eats >even true thin people. there are no real foods anymore, we are products of our >enviornment. we changed the entire planet when we stated experimenting with >the atom bomb. our first tests were done right in our own deserts, jeeze. if >people dont think that changes things from the ground up. then we started >processing food, and re-prcessing and re-..and on and on until the nutrition >is zapped rite out and we would be better off eating the packaging. so we are >all malnourished, sad isn't it? now that is one and only one small part of my >theory..then there is the hungry heart, as i call it. NOTHING seems to lighten >this but comfort. and haven't we all made food a comfort thing..Mom makes >chicken soup if we are sick, you stop by to see a friend and you are >upset..out comes the coffee and you know what follows that...irish wiskey, >lol...no im kidding (maybe) anyway, and a few of us have a tough time with a >few pounds at first and then we diet and then we gain and then we diet and >then....well so the body stops knowing what to do. Burn, store..burn, store >jeeze again, (i am sighing now), so it just says, enough is enough, im not >doing a damn thing this is JUST TO HARD and bingo obesity. now who said it >would be easy. we are unlucky in the group we are in the " O " (obese,ugh i >hate that word) group, but look how our luck has changed..we are now in the > " B " (bandsters) something to make this journey easier, NOT faster, but easier. >we still have the free will to open our mouths and screw it up, but the task >is easier in the right frame of mind. yes i know here we are at the >beginning, the HEAD and therapy..but i still say. " you can do it, you are a >smart and beautiful girl " and one thing you forgot to tell the group is YOU >ARE a SURVIVOR! so pull those boot straps up, dust yourself off and just go >for it, twisted. Who luvs ya baby..OOXXOO ibselle > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >If you like orange and blue, then you will love our new web site! >http://www.onelist.com >Onelist: ing connections and information exchange > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 1999 Report Share Posted March 17, 1999 Hi everybody, Congratulations on your success Jessie ! It feels good to have success stories, too, even though it's important to know everything. How was the meeting of the Seattle Bandsters ? I envy you guys ! I saw my doctor on Monday, and asked him about a support group. He doesn't know any in the region. I told him that I was interested in even building a group, so he will prospect a bit among his patients to see whether someone is interested. Regarding your question on self-image, Jessie, I think that it's a vicious circle. I don't know what started what, and it may just be different for each person. My hidden fears about what it might (will !) be like to be normal sized or thin: I want to be loved for myself and not for my image, and it's true that I'm afraid that people will be attracted by my " envelope " instead of my mind. When I was about 18, I had lost 15 kilos (33 lbs - it was enough at that moment ...), and I realised that a lot of guys who never even looked at me before were interested in me. It was sort of a shock for me. It certainly didn't help me to keep that weight off. Otherwise, no fear. I must feel so great to be thin !!! :-)) Cheers, Marina, Switzerland 38 yo, 5'8 " , single Dec. 7, 1997 : 115.3 kg - 254 lb / Today : 92.5 kg - 204 lb 22.8 kg - 50 lb gone forever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 1999 Report Share Posted March 17, 1999 Dear Liz (Ibselle), Just an open letter to tell you how much I love you!!! You always seem to say the right thing when I need to hear it!! Besides, you are the perfect roomie in New Orleans, (just do not tell Joe!) All my love, Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 1999 Report Share Posted March 17, 1999 Dear Liz (Ibselle), Just an open letter to tell you how much I love you!!! You always seem to say the right thing when I need to hear it!! Besides, you are the perfect roomie in New Orleans, (just do not tell Joe!) All my love, Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 1999 Report Share Posted March 18, 1999 dear kim, so twisted, when are we plannin our next trip to bourbon street?i wana stay from tues til sunday and get introuble. READY? who luvs ya baby ibbsie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 1999 Report Share Posted March 21, 1999 I know how you feel Kim, I have also always been obese as an adult and overweight when I was younger. I am successful in my career and in fact about to start a new job. I have good friends, am divorced but happy and see my kids all the time. My exwife and I are now friends. Yet......... I cannot maintain my weight. About ten years ago I done the Craig thing and got down to my ideal weight. I loved it!! Able to buy clothes easily, more energy etc., but I couldn't keep it off. The more I worried about it the more I put on until I gained it all back and more. Then I felt like I feel know, fat, low energy etc., but it doesn't make me motivated enough to lose weight. I am starting a new job in a couple of weeks so I want to lose a few kilo before I get new uniforms so I am starting a diet every day with poor success. I hope the band will help me change this. The other day I was watching the Roseanne show on television and Roseanne was saying how she has had the Fobi pouch done (sounded like a stomach staple), and she felt like it saved her life, it was really interesting. Syd........ Re: Success > > >Dear , > >That is a wonderful topic, I also brought it up at Dr. 's post-op >support group. As I look in the mirror after loosing a little over 100 >lbs. and I still see the same person. My body image really has not changed >at all and that scares me. > >> Do you think poor self-image contributes to obesity or that obesity >causes poor self-image? Is this a chicken/egg question?<<< > >I am diffidently an emotional eater, when life is stressful and have >feelings of being overwhelmed, nothing will stop me from eating. But in >non-stressful times I should have been " thin " and that is not true either, >I just continue to eat. The thinnest that I have been in my adult life was >in the low 200's. I started to slowly gain weight but emotional this where >great times. I seemed to hold at 260 lbs. for a few years and then my >father died suddenly and gained about 100 lbs. in a year. Emotionally I >was falling apart and nothing seems to matter, I just kept feeding an empty >feeling deep inside. > > I always thought that I had a healthy self-image, I like myself, feel >successful in my career, have wonder friends and family, a great social >life; but regardless of all these things I have been obese my whole life. > I have spent time in therapy with a weight specialist to answer the >original question, but to be honest I am no closer now then I was when I >started. I would love to hear others points of view, > >Kim > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Have you visited our new web site? >http://www.onelist.com >Onelist: Helping to create Internet communities > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 1999 Report Share Posted March 21, 1999 Ibselle, Excellent advice Dr. Syd......... Re: Success >From: Ibselle@... > >dear kim, >oh beautiful kim, save your $, the therapist is only a set of ears. this line >is free and so is my advice. listen to your story a minute the answer is >there. first off this is my theory and only my theory. EVERYONE over eats >even true thin people. there are no real foods anymore, we are products of our >enviornment. we changed the entire planet when we stated experimenting with >the atom bomb. our first tests were done right in our own deserts, jeeze. if >people dont think that changes things from the ground up. then we started >processing food, and re-prcessing and re-..and on and on until the nutrition >is zapped rite out and we would be better off eating the packaging. so we are >all malnourished, sad isn't it? now that is one and only one small part of my >theory..then there is the hungry heart, as i call it. NOTHING seems to lighten >this but comfort. and haven't we all made food a comfort thing..Mom makes >chicken soup if we are sick, you stop by to see a friend and you are >upset..out comes the coffee and you know what follows that...irish wiskey, >lol...no im kidding (maybe) anyway, and a few of us have a tough time with a >few pounds at first and then we diet and then we gain and then we diet and >then....well so the body stops knowing what to do. Burn, store..burn, store >jeeze again, (i am sighing now), so it just says, enough is enough, im not >doing a damn thing this is JUST TO HARD and bingo obesity. now who said it >would be easy. we are unlucky in the group we are in the " O " (obese,ugh i >hate that word) group, but look how our luck has changed..we are now in the > " B " (bandsters) something to make this journey easier, NOT faster, but easier. >we still have the free will to open our mouths and screw it up, but the task >is easier in the right frame of mind. yes i know here we are at the >beginning, the HEAD and therapy..but i still say. " you can do it, you are a >smart and beautiful girl " and one thing you forgot to tell the group is YOU >ARE a SURVIVOR! so pull those boot straps up, dust yourself off and just go >for it, twisted. Who luvs ya baby..OOXXOO ibselle > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >If you like orange and blue, then you will love our new web site! >http://www.onelist.com >Onelist: ing connections and information exchange > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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