RE: fats/ frustration/

[Guest guest]

You do need to make up tour mind and decide that you want this weigh off and are

willing to give the plan a try without second guessing it on a consistent basis.

Just my opinion, but I really think the obsessing over fats, WW, calories is

making this harder than it has to be for you.

Look at the allowed foods list and eat from there. I also think you are

starting this by making too many complicated recipes, thus increasing your

cooking/clean up time. Make a zucchini quiche and you have breakfast/lunch for

a week. Steam a bag of fresh broccoli, do the same with some string beans, make

a big salad and you have veggies for a few days.

But like I said...no plan will work unless you work the plan.

MB

.. fats/ frustration/

Of course one could do that. I am a ditz, but I do know I can make

substitutions like that.

Heh. ;-) The ditzy part of me 1) had not gotten far enough in my thinking to

consider

lookig up the RDA recommendations and enhancing the SBD outlook with a

standard rule

of thumb like that. I would have gone back to Dr. A's book to see if it was

in there, and

not actually considered what the RDA said, probably EVER. And, 2) Having lost

the

location of the article you posted. Which, I still can't find.

I am exceedingly frustrated today.

Having eaten too many calories prior to dinner, and not having cooked

sufficient quantitirs

of easily usable veggies last night, I served HP the Jumbalaya I'd made.

Having had a

walnut snack 90 minutes prior to that, I didn't eat with him but had a fw

ounces of FF

cheese to round out the day and come up to about 1200 calories.

I ended up staying up 'til 2 a,.m., though. Too long to go without eating. I

had fat free,

sugar free popsicles... I was working on my finances. ;-((. Stress time.

This doesn't happen often to me -- like once every 6 or 9 months or so -- but,

around 1:

45 a.m. my sugar balance must have gotten out of whack. I'd been

concentrating on

various bills and crazy things that various companies were doing .. . just

totally weird, off

-the-wall stuff... and man! I went into the living room, where a platter of

uneaten German

Christmas cookies had been sitting untouched since Thanksgiving . . . and . .

..well, you

don't want to hear it.

I had not been even the slightest bit tempted -- AT ALL -- prior to that. My

face and

chest grew hair. Fangs emerged. My eyes turned neon green and wolf ears

sprouted from

the hairline above my forehead. But I got the " sweet taste of blood " and,

after that, it was

all over.

So, this morning I am nursing my psychological wounds and trying to decide

what to do.

I have the ingredients for a spinach omelet, or the omelet with the " broccoli

bits " stewed in

drippings from beef stew (with fat removed). and the bok choy and lean pork.

I woke up and looked into the refrigerator. It's so easy to grab 1/2 c ff

cottage cheese and

the flax seed and just eat it... and not bother having to " cook " an omelette

and then clean

the pan. I'm sick of cooking and preparing so many dishes duriing the day.

An near-empty carton of Thanksgiving Egg Nog was there -- which I'd never

tasted and

wasn't tempted to taste.

Honey Pie had left out a box of pretzels, which he's been munching on . . .

and which I

haven't touched.

My blood sugar is probably off the charts this morning as a result of last

night. I don't

particularly crave anything, and I'm not hungry, but this is my normal time to

eat and I am

feeling defiant and quite gloomy about being able to get to goal...

The scale says my body fat ratio is too high, but the day before yesterday, I

did a post on

the old WW site, and a member there, on CORE, who's done SBD, sent a

thoughtful and

helpful post --however -- in it, in a well meaning way -- she referred to my

remaining

weight by that if she Just had " a few vanity pouns remaining, " she would

concentrate mainly on exercise.

Sometimes it takes a while for something to sink in and hit me.

They're not " vanity pounds. " I might be vain, but the pounds are unhealthy

for a myriad of

reasons, and the designation makes light of my efforts to get rid of those

pounds and

makes me feel stupid for caring. I can tell you all the reasons why it's

important to get rid

of those pounds -- not the least of which is health -- and not the least of

which is self

image. You spend time and effort to streamline your shape and you're better

but STILL fat

in your own eyes, and you still have an unsighly pooch in your abdomen that

you need so

camouflage all the time. Heck. Might as well gain back the other 15 pounds,

ya know? I

didn't look so bad at 155, even if I was outside the outer limits for my

height. Heck. It

was just a few pounds outside the outer limits.

If she were so close to goal and having such an impossibly hard time reaching

it, she

wouldn't think of what remained as " vanity pounds.. "

I am tempted to guzzle the mouthful of egg not in the carton to " clean out "

the

refrigerator so I can throw away the carton. HoneyPie wouldn't miss it

anyway. I'm

tempted to nosh down the remaining few pretzels in his box, so I can throw it

away and

clean of the surface of his work station.

I am not in a mood to think about dieting. The idea of leftover rice with

cinnamon, sugar,

and cream sounds appealing . . . .

> >

> > Ann,

> >

> > The RDA for fats is 40 grams per day on a 1200 calorie diet, which is

> > 30% of the total calories. That article I posted the link to said to

> > eat 30% of your calories in fat, as well, and said to be sure you

> > don't ever go below 20-25% of your calories in fat or your HDL will

> > go down.

> >

> > ann

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Please send your recipes for inclusion in the Files to the Moderator at:

> South-Beach-Diet-Getting-It-Right-owner

>

> Reminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb. Nor is it low-fat. The

South Beach

Diet teaches you to rely on the right carbs and the right fats-the good ones -

and enables

you to live quite happily without the bad carbs and bad fats.

>

> For more on this Way Of Eating please read " The South Beach Diet " by

Arthur Agatston,

MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Anne,

I love your posts! You always make me smile.

Try not to worry about the comment about the " vanity pounds " . Whoever said

that probably wasn't even thinking. Sometimes when you have a LOT of weight to

lose (like me), when you hear someone talking about losing the last 10 - 15

lbs......well.....I don't know how to word it. I think I would be estatic if I

only had 10-15 extra pounds on me. You know what I mean? Sometimes we forget

that it doesn't matter if you're trying to lose 10, 50, or 150 lbs....it's all

hard, and it's all a struggle. So I doubt she meant to insult you or make light

of your struggle.

Anyway, I'm sure you'll get there eventually.

I'm at a stand-still right now. I lost like 25 lbs. in Phase 1, and I haven't

really lost anything since. Of course I haven't been really that good lately.

And the next few weeks are going to be difficult.

I had a piece of my son's birthday cake yesterday. I made it, and just

couldn't resist the temptation! But I only had one slice, and I didn't have any

ice cream. He had a pizza party, and I didn't eat any of the Domino's Pizza,

either. I made a special pizza for me and my boyfriend - a from scratch whole

wheat crust, topped with sugar free pizza sauce, 2% mozzarela cheese, turkey

bacon, and canadian bacon. It turned out quite good, if I do say so myself.

And of course all kinds of spices! (I love my spices!) So I didn't feel too

bad about the slice of cake because I felt overall I'd been pretty good.

The next few weeks I'll be happy just to maintain my current week. My

boyfriend's birthday is this coming Friday, followed by mine the following

weekend. Then Christmas and New Years. I'm sorry, but I'm having Fried Oysters

on Christmas morning!!!!

Anyway, I've rambled enough for one day. You have a great day!

Take care,

Chris

anne_wycke horg@...> wrote:

....that if she Just had " a few vanity pouns remaining, " she would

concentrate mainly on exercise.

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[Guest guest]

Yep. You're right. According to Dr. A's book, longterm studies showed that

people who

made mistakes and kept on going anyway had better longterm success ratios than

those

who just quit. I DID have a setback, but I doubt that I'm alone.

Also, episodes like that don't happen too frequently with me. It was a pile

of non-diet

related garbage all piled up in there, too, probably . . . various secret

frustrations being

released through -- of course -- the food drug, the food demon, the

devil-in-the-belly

going " ha, ha, ha. . . I got'er now. "

Commitment? I sound and act ditzy -- but I think I also say it as it is. Or,

as it is with

me, anyway.

Thanks.

Annie

>

>

> Annie,

>

> You need to go right back to the Beach as if last night didn't happen.

> You may be set back a bit, but this is where the rubber hits the road.

> You can choose to quit, or you can choose to go on. If you quit you will

> not lose any more weight, and might even gain more. If you go on, you

> *will* conquer your cravings and *will* learn to relax and have fun on

> the Beach.

>

> Ann

> hayakawa@i...

> You spend your life fighting dirt, and when you die they bury you in it.

> North Bend, OR USA

>

[Guest guest]

I read your post earlier, and, while going about my errands tried to decide how

to read it.

I agree that analysing fats and such makes it more difficult that it would be

for those who

didn't. But, if one is losing fairly consistently over a period of time, it's

easier to

" let go " of such analysis. I'm not losing though. Even when I'm very, very,

very good and

manage to drink my water, exercise, and eat right (within the diet's

boundaries).... I

cooked the recipes all in one day, but the reponses got replies that continued

on for

several more days.

I confess to being forgetful about certain details, such as lemons and fat

serving

amounts. I've got the info better in mind now, I think Usually I don't make

the same

miscalculation twice, though, as I said, I do have those 30-minute episodes of

voracious

abandon about twice a year.

The recipes I made actually were no more complicated than a zucchini quiche,

but they

might have sounded ultra complicated because of my ditzy way of describing them

and

the fact that I made about fiive or six of them all at the same time in one day.

(I didn't

even mention some of the ones I was making.)

II like your idea of making a veggie quiche (not one in which I have to shred

though),

especially one that will last a few days. I NEVER would have thought of that .

.. . not in a

million years! Good point about clean-up time. . . but I didn't have to do it

yesterday or

today, so it averaged out to cook ahead for a few days. As for steaming a bag

of fresh

broccoli? Or veggies? That process releases carcinogins from the plastics into

the food if

you do it in the microwave in the bag. And the reason I looked for VARIETY

veggies was

to get away from having to eat the same boring ones over and over. . . I'd never

stick to

this plan if I had to do that. As I explained in an early post, I harbor latent

aversions to

broccoli because of the effect it had on me during pregnancy. Plus, I learned

a whole lot

by buying oddball veggies such as chayote. And the leek salad was FANTASTIC! A

recipe

I'll use over and over now!

Your point about commitment? I thought and thought and thought about it.

I am committed.... just imperfect.

Is that possible?

Maybe not according to your standards or what you are capable of doing in an

absolute

sense.

But part of my problem is that I get lost in the moment quite often, and when

I'm

concentrating on a project, it's darned near impossible to break free and

remember to get

up and eat consistently and regularly. . . When I'm into something, I don't even

THINK

about hunger, thirst, or food.. Which is why I compensate by cooking ahead.

Sometimes I

set little alarms on the computer. (Which I then don't hear, or override,

because I'm so lost

in what I'm doing.)

Different lifestyles are different.... We adjust and compensate in various

ways. The

person who is systematic and methodical might not need the variety of foods that

a more

experimental person might require.

Tell me you've never made a mistake on this diet or that you've never had a

compulsive

episode.

My mistakes -- short of last night -- were relatively minor. I'm back on

track today. I

might extend P1 for an extra four or five days to compensate. We'll see, or

I'll see, what

happens at the end of two weeks.

Thanks for your opinion.

Annie D.

> > >

> > > Ann,

> > >

> > > The RDA for fats is 40 grams per day on a 1200 calorie diet, which is

> > > 30% of the total calories. That article I posted the link to said to

> > > eat 30% of your calories in fat, as well, and said to be sure you

> > > don't ever go below 20-25% of your calories in fat or your HDL will

> > > go down.

> > >

> > > ann

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Please send your recipes for inclusion in the Files to the Moderator at:

> > South-Beach-Diet-Getting-It-Right-owner

> >

> > Reminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb. Nor is it low-fat. The

South Beach

> Diet teaches you to rely on the right carbs and the right fats-the good ones

- and

enables

> you to live quite happily without the bad carbs and bad fats.

> >

> > For more on this Way Of Eating please read " The South Beach Diet " by

Arthur

Agatston,

> MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

oh gosh...I have made many mistakes on this diet...maybe I just don't share them

as much as some people.

In reality, you have been on the beach for maybe 7 days and there were slip ups

during those 7 days. With that said, you also do not have much to lose so it

will come off slowly. My opinion is that you are not giving the beach full

chance and second guessing some things. That is what I meant by commitment. I

know you are committed to lose the weight but I am not sure you were committed

to the plan.

MB

ginal Message -----

From: anne_wycke

To: South-Beach-Diet-Getting-It-Right

Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 7:53 PM

Subject: Re: fats/ frustration/

I read your post earlier, and, while going about my errands tried to decide

how to read it.

I agree that analysing fats and such makes it more difficult that it would be

for those who

didn't. But, if one is losing fairly consistently over a period of time,

it's easier to

" let go " of such analysis. I'm not losing though. Even when I'm very, very,

very good and

manage to drink my water, exercise, and eat right (within the diet's

boundaries).... I

cooked the recipes all in one day, but the reponses got replies that continued

on for

several more days.

I confess to being forgetful about certain details, such as lemons and fat

serving

amounts. I've got the info better in mind now, I think Usually I don't make

the same

miscalculation twice, though, as I said, I do have those 30-minute episodes of

voracious

abandon about twice a year.

The recipes I made actually were no more complicated than a zucchini

quiche, but they

might have sounded ultra complicated because of my ditzy way of describing

them and

the fact that I made about fiive or six of them all at the same time in one

day. (I didn't

even mention some of the ones I was making.)

II like your idea of making a veggie quiche (not one in which I have to

shred though),

especially one that will last a few days. I NEVER would have thought of that

.. . . not in a

million years! Good point about clean-up time. . . but I didn't have to do

it yesterday or

today, so it averaged out to cook ahead for a few days. As for steaming a bag

of fresh

broccoli? Or veggies? That process releases carcinogins from the plastics

into the food if

you do it in the microwave in the bag. And the reason I looked for VARIETY

veggies was

to get away from having to eat the same boring ones over and over. . . I'd

never stick to

this plan if I had to do that. As I explained in an early post, I harbor

latent aversions to

broccoli because of the effect it had on me during pregnancy. Plus, I

learned a whole lot

by buying oddball veggies such as chayote. And the leek salad was FANTASTIC!

A recipe

I'll use over and over now!

Your point about commitment? I thought and thought and thought about it.

I am committed.... just imperfect.

Is that possible?

Maybe not according to your standards or what you are capable of doing in an

absolute

sense.

But part of my problem is that I get lost in the moment quite often, and

when I'm

concentrating on a project, it's darned near impossible to break free and

remember to get

up and eat consistently and regularly. . . When I'm into something, I don't

even THINK

about hunger, thirst, or food.. Which is why I compensate by cooking ahead.

Sometimes I

set little alarms on the computer. (Which I then don't hear, or override,

because I'm so lost

in what I'm doing.)

Different lifestyles are different.... We adjust and compensate in various

ways. The

person who is systematic and methodical might not need the variety of foods

that a more

experimental person might require.

Tell me you've never made a mistake on this diet or that you've never had a

compulsive

episode.

My mistakes -- short of last night -- were relatively minor. I'm back on

track today. I

might extend P1 for an extra four or five days to compensate. We'll see, or

I'll see, what

happens at the end of two weeks.

Thanks for your opinion.

Annie D.

> > >

> > > Ann,

> > >

> > > The RDA for fats is 40 grams per day on a 1200 calorie diet, which

is

> > > 30% of the total calories. That article I posted the link to said to

> > > eat 30% of your calories in fat, as well, and said to be sure you

> > > don't ever go below 20-25% of your calories in fat or your HDL will

> > > go down.

> > >

> > > ann

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Please send your recipes for inclusion in the Files to the Moderator

at:

> > South-Beach-Diet-Getting-It-Right-owner

> >

> > Reminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb. Nor is it low-fat.

The South Beach

> Diet teaches you to rely on the right carbs and the right fats-the good

ones - and

enables

> you to live quite happily without the bad carbs and bad fats.

> >

> > For more on this Way Of Eating please read " The South Beach Diet " by

Arthur

Agatston,

> MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

You know, we're all different. You know what works for you, so keep on doing

what you're doing. If you're not losing, then adjust some, and try again.

I think sometimes people forget that different people have different needs

when it comes to dieting. For example....the SBD seems to include a lot of

salads. I'm just not a salad person. Try as I may to like salads, it just

isn't happening. I can deal with one once in a while, but on a whole, they bore

me to tears. If I had to eat salads all the time, I'd surely fail on this diet.

There's just no way I could stick to a diet where I had to eat them every day.

So I avoid them. I am the type of person that LOVES a lot of spices and trying

new and different things. So that's what I do. Last night, for example, my

boyfriend was supposed to cook dinner. At the last moment he asked me if I'd

make some sides. So I head to the kitchen and look to see what I can find. I

ended up pulling a BUNCH of stuff out of the fridge - broccoli, cauliflower, red

peppers, green, peppers, onions, etc. Then I ended up sauteeing it in PAM and

adding all kinds of spices - garlic, oregano,

parsley, basil, red pepper flakes, etc. By the time I was done I had a super

spicy dish that I loved! But, a lot of people wouldn't like it that spiced up.

So, do what YOU like and what you know works for you. Take some of the

suggestions that you get here, try them out, see if you like them. If not,

adjust and move on to something different. (I never would have imagined I'd

like Feta cheese on my scrambled eggs until I read someone here that said it was

good and tried it, and found I liked it.)

It's all trial and error. What works for one may not work for another.

anne_wycke horg@...> wrote:

I read your post earlier, and, while going about my errands tried to decide

how to read it.

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[Guest guest]

Just a p.s. to this...

When I say buy a bag of broccoli and steam it...I did not mean using the micro

wave. ( I hate microwaves! LOL)

I empty the bag into the electric steamer, add the water and steam away.

MB

-----

As for steaming a bag of fresh

broccoli? Or veggies? That process releases carcinogins from the plastics

into the food if

you do it in the microwave in the bag. And the reason I looked for VARIETY

veggies was

to sink in and hit me.

> They're not " vanity pounds. " I might be vain, but the pounds are

unhealthy for a

[Guest guest]

> As for steaming a bag of fresh broccoli? Or veggies? That process

releases

> carcinogins from the plastics into the food if you do it in the microwave

in

> the bag.

For the main part, this bit about plastics put into a microwave leaching

into foods is not true. There are some types of plastics that could do this

but they're not used in this fashion. Microwaving things like Ziploc bags,

plastic bowls that are microwave safe, and so forth have been shown

repeatedly to be safe and free of this concern.

That said, I can't say that I've ever steamed a bag of veggies in the

microwave. I don't think I've ever steamed anything in the microwave.

That's what they make steamers for. They taste MUCH better that way!

[Guest guest]

I never heard of an electric steamer. Where do you buy them?

ann

>

> Just a p.s. to this...

>

> When I say buy a bag of broccoli and steam it...I did not mean using

the micro wave. ( I hate microwaves! LOL)

>

> I empty the bag into the electric steamer, add the water and steam

away.

>

> MB

[Guest guest]

Eggactly!!!

Thanks for understanding! You put it all so well.

--Annie

>

> You know, we're all different. You know what works for you, so keep on doing

what

you're doing. If you're not losing, then adjust some, and try again.

[Guest guest]

Eggactly!!!

Thanks for understanding! You put it all so well.

--Annie

>

> You know, we're all different. You know what works for you, so keep on doing

what

you're doing. If you're not losing, then adjust some, and try again.

[Guest guest]

I learned you could just throw a bag into the MW and cook for several minutes,

throw

some ff dressing on there, toss, and presto: a flavorful veggie dish. But my

fiancé's late

wife of 29 years died after a lengthy battle with cancer. So did his CEO. And

so did his

first girlfriend following his marriage. He has done lots and lots and lots and

lots of

" research " and been involved in various projects involving governmental acts

pertaining to

health legislation, and the manner in which corporations keep information from

the public

with no regard to their health. I told him I'd read that food plastic packaging

was MW safe,

and he hit the sealing about corporate lies, etc. I'd be very interesting in

visiting any

websites or viewing information with studies stating such plastics are safe. It

would make

my life so much easier!

See -- this kind of exchange IS useful -- helpful information such as this

emerges.

Thank you, !

I wasn't here when you apparently were posting more regularly. I read your " I'm

ba-ack, "

post! ;-)!! Though I don't " know " you yet, I hope you'll resume posting

again!!!

--Annie

>

> For the main part, this bit about plastics put into a microwave leaching

> into foods is not true. There are some types of plastics that could do this

> but they're not used in this fashion.

> That said, I can't say that I've ever steamed a bag of veggies in the

> microwave. They taste MUCH better that way!

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Anne -- just out of curiosity, what exactly does he use in the

microwave? Or does he use a microwave at all?