Re: Re: Day 2/-Beth

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Anne,

I'm sorry - I haven't really been following this thread of conversation. I

just happened to have time to read this one. So I don't know how long you've

been doing the SBD, or what phase you're on. I assume P1?

Anyway, I just wanted to comment on the whole " overthinking " thing. When you

first start the SBD, it's impossible to NOT overthink things. Food becomes what

you're thinking about all the time. What you can have, what you can't have,

what to fix, what to snack on.......it's crazy. It has to become everything you

think about, because if you go into " not thinking about it " mode, then you're

setting yourself up for failure. I mean, honestly - it takes good planning in

order to stay on P1 of this diet. You're right - you can't just " grab something

and go " . You have to, in most cases, prepare something in advance - or at a

miniumum have thought it through enough to have purchased easy to grab snacks

(like the cheese string or nuts). Even then, you've got to count out the nuts.

You get bored with nuts and cheese fast, so you've got to plan out different

snacks, and in a lot of cases, prepare them.

When I first started this diet, I went from hardly thinking about food, to

thinking about it ALL THE TIME.

But......P2 gets better. Or maybe it's just that you get used to what you can

and can't have and you stop analyzing things so much. I don't know. I just

know that now I'm back to hardly thinking about food at all. I'm on P2, so I

have more options, and I don't feel as limited. It's easier to plan meals, and

I've learned to like a lot of foods that before I couldn't stand or hadn't even

tried.

Anyway, that's just my comment about this. I think it's normal to " overthink "

in this diet when you're just beginning (or in P1). It will get better. But I

think the " overthinking " isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's a learning process.

Take care,

Chris

anne_wycke horg@...> wrote:

Although I probably overthink some things -- as I've already confessed in

previous emails

-- not being able to reach out and eat something when I want it is one of the

things that

makes this process difficult.

And that does not involve thinking. To prevent such a feeling of emptiness,

some

planning is required of me. Making foods ahead of time, for example, since I'm

not likely

to just go chow down a head of bok choy or raw zucchinis. And it IS possible to

chow

down a La Tortilla Factory whole wheat tortilla with lettuce, cucumber, a form

of fake

mayo, and some fake crab, or some melted ff cheese. Oh, poor overindulged me,

right?

I am not sure I know the difference between " satisfied " and " full. " I don't

feel " satisfied " if

I'm not full. Usually. I just feel an absence of " hunger. " And I rarely let

myself FEEL

hunger. Which is why I think I " m fat. Hunger is not bad. It's just a body

telling a brain:

" Time to eat. " Maybe if I let myself FEEL hunger, then I'd feel satisfied

simply by not being

hungry.

Just a different way of being. Postponing that " gratification. " Perpetuating

the

" clamboring for more. "

Yeah -- it's a bitch to have a brain that won't turn off. A bit of a curse.

But it't the brain I was born with and I can't jettison it and get another

one just yet.

So, I have to learn to deal with it and feed it morsels of information when

it gets

demanding.

(Not that it's put to sufficient good use any more in terms of socially

valuable

contributions and achievements.) But when it isn't busy, it gets bad. . . .

and punishing.

So maybe I let it obsess a bit over " eating healthy " topics rather than allowing

it to indulge

in various vices, some of which might be self destructive.

Also -- I think it just SOUNDS like I'm overanalyzing.

Truth is, I just wanna grab some carbs and they're not there, and I want that

instant

fillerup gratification, that instant " sugar rush " and I'm kinda mad inside that

it isn't there.

Carbs are a comfort! Veggies aren't. Not yet, anyway. I might be old, but not

too old to

have gotten used to Mcmania. Conspicuous consumption (conspicuous meaning

when burger fat becomes belly fat.)

Maybe in two weeks I will be transformed and cauliflower will have replaced

mashed

potatoes and bok choy will be fine with wild or brown rice. Or glass noodles

(if they're

low enough on the glycemic index. . . .I can't remember at the moment.)

I sure hope so!! it would be so great if we could transform our concept of

" comfort "

foods. What my good ole grandma used to say, " sticks to the ribs! "

As for water -- these days I've been running low, I confess. It's difficult

for me to walk

and chew gum at the same time, as they say. Usually i can be good about what

I'm eating,

and good about exercising OR good at exercising and good at water, and only okay

at

watching the food, or, good at water and food, but not exercise. I seem to only

be able to

do two of the three components of this at once, but not all three. Right now,

I'm working

on the RIGHT food and I'm not even exercising because adjusting to this list of

good foods

isn't easy for me. I do so miss the carbs. It isn't that I'm dead without

carbs, but I miss

them, emotionally, so very much.

I dunno.

Go figure.

Your comments make me think though.

(Ooops.... Sorry. I guess that's bad. Heh, heh.)

(Aside: I once had a boyfriend who quite successfully seduced me by telling

me, " Don't

think! " I managed not to!! So I know that I'm capable of temporarily paralyzing

my brain.)

Maybe I should re-paralyze that little section of the brain right there . . .

and discover a

new eating lifestyle, and a new slogan! " Don't think, just eat.! "

Heh.

Well -- it might work for me, but I'm afraid not everyone. Luckily not

everyone has this

particular brand of neurosis!!!

And now I will go find some recipes and cook some veggies -- adieu, adieu

(eyes cast

into the distant fog, arms flailing high to the left with the east wind, as I am

sacheting into

the kitchen....)

Annie D.

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[Guest guest]

I think you are right we have to think in order to plan. The

best things I learned from this list about phase one is 1: get rid of

all non sbd food for the first two weeks and 2: buy enough food so

that it will be at arms length so you don't have the reason to grab

something that will toss you off the track(or beach,if you will).

As for me I am hovering in phase two and that is my plan till january

when I will see where I am at and re group.

good luck all and thanks for all your posts.

> Anne,

>

> I'm sorry - I haven't really been following this thread of

> conversation. I just happened to have time to read this one. So I

> don't know how long you've been doing the SBD, or what phase you're

> on. I assume P1?

>

> Anyway, I just wanted to comment on the whole " overthinking "

> thing. When you first start the SBD, it's impossible to NOT

> overthink things. Food becomes what you're thinking about all the

> time. What you can have, what you can't have, what to fix, what to

> snack on.......it's crazy. It has to become everything you think

> about, because if you go into " not thinking about it " mode, then

> you're setting yourself up for failure. I mean, honestly - it

> takes good planning in order to stay on P1 of this diet. You're

> right - you can't just " grab something and go " . You have to, in

> most cases, prepare something in advance - or at a miniumum have

> thought it through enough to have purchased easy to grab snacks

> (like the cheese string or nuts). Even then, you've got to count

> out the nuts. You get bored with nuts and cheese fast, so you've

> got to plan out different snacks, and in a lot of cases, prepare them.

>

> When I first started this diet, I went from hardly thinking about

> food, to thinking about it ALL THE TIME.

>

> But......P2 gets better. Or maybe it's just that you get used to

> what you can and can't have and you stop analyzing things so much.

> I don't know. I just know that now I'm back to hardly thinking

> about food at all. I'm on P2, so I have more options, and I don't

> feel as limited. It's easier to plan meals, and I've learned to

> like a lot of foods that before I couldn't stand or hadn't even tried.

>

> Anyway, that's just my comment about this. I think it's normal

> to " overthink " in this diet when you're just beginning (or in P1).

> It will get better. But I think the " overthinking " isn't

> necessarily a bad thing. It's a learning process.

>

> Take care,

> Chris

>

>

> anne_wycke horg@...> wrote:

> Although I probably overthink some things -- as I've already

> confessed in previous emails

> -- not being able to reach out and eat something when I want it is

> one of the things that

> makes this process difficult.

> And that does not involve thinking. To prevent such a feeling

> of emptiness, some

> planning is required of me. Making foods ahead of time, for

> example, since I'm not likely

> to just go chow down a head of bok choy or raw zucchinis. And it IS

> possible to chow

> down a La Tortilla Factory whole wheat tortilla with lettuce,

> cucumber, a form of fake

> mayo, and some fake crab, or some melted ff cheese. Oh, poor

> overindulged me, right?

> I am not sure I know the difference between " satisfied " and

> " full. " I don't feel " satisfied " if

> I'm not full. Usually. I just feel an absence of " hunger. " And I

> rarely let myself FEEL

> hunger. Which is why I think I " m fat. Hunger is not bad. It's

> just a body telling a brain:

> " Time to eat. " Maybe if I let myself FEEL hunger, then I'd feel

> satisfied simply by not being

> hungry.

> Just a different way of being. Postponing that " gratification. "

> Perpetuating the

> " clamboring for more. "

>

> Yeah -- it's a bitch to have a brain that won't turn off. A bit

> of a curse.

>

> But it't the brain I was born with and I can't jettison it and

> get another one just yet.

> So, I have to learn to deal with it and feed it morsels of

> information when it gets

> demanding.

> (Not that it's put to sufficient good use any more in terms of

> socially valuable

> contributions and achievements.) But when it isn't busy, it gets

> bad. . . . and punishing.

> So maybe I let it obsess a bit over " eating healthy " topics rather

> than allowing it to indulge

> in various vices, some of which might be self destructive.

> Also -- I think it just SOUNDS like I'm overanalyzing.

> Truth is, I just wanna grab some carbs and they're not there, and

> I want that instant

> fillerup gratification, that instant " sugar rush " and I'm kinda mad

> inside that it isn't there.

> Carbs are a comfort! Veggies aren't. Not yet, anyway. I might be

> old, but not too old to

> have gotten used to Mcmania. Conspicuous consumption

> (conspicuous meaning

> when burger fat becomes belly fat.)

> Maybe in two weeks I will be transformed and cauliflower will

> have replaced mashed

> potatoes and bok choy will be fine with wild or brown rice. Or

> glass noodles (if they're

> low enough on the glycemic index. . . .I can't remember at the

> moment.)

> I sure hope so!! it would be so great if we could transform our

> concept of " comfort "

> foods. What my good ole grandma used to say, " sticks to the ribs! "

> As for water -- these days I've been running low, I confess.

> It's difficult for me to walk

> and chew gum at the same time, as they say. Usually i can be good

> about what I'm eating,

> and good about exercising OR good at exercising and good at water,

> and only okay at

> watching the food, or, good at water and food, but not exercise. I

> seem to only be able to

> do two of the three components of this at once, but not all three.

> Right now, I'm working

> on the RIGHT food and I'm not even exercising because adjusting to

> this list of good foods

> isn't easy for me. I do so miss the carbs. It isn't that I'm dead

> without carbs, but I miss

> them, emotionally, so very much.

> I dunno.

> Go figure.

> Your comments make me think though.

> (Ooops.... Sorry. I guess that's bad. Heh, heh.)

> (Aside: I once had a boyfriend who quite successfully seduced me

> by telling me, " Don't

> think! " I managed not to!! So I know that I'm capable of

> temporarily paralyzing my brain.)

> Maybe I should re-paralyze that little section of the brain right

> there . . . and discover a

> new eating lifestyle, and a new slogan! " Don't think, just eat.! "

> Heh.

> Well -- it might work for me, but I'm afraid not everyone.

> Luckily not everyone has this

> particular brand of neurosis!!!

> And now I will go find some recipes and cook some veggies --

> adieu, adieu (eyes cast

> into the distant fog, arms flailing high to the left with the east

> wind, as I am sacheting into

> the kitchen....)

> Annie D.

>

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Whew! LOL

I would just focus on the protein / veggie ratio that you need to be fulfilling

and drink more water. The water part is easy...not to much thinking there just

get yourself a big water bottle and figure out how many times you have to refill

it durnig the day. This will also fill you up and maybe help you with

hunger/cravings.

From my experience the harder you make this for yourself the less you will tend

to stick with it.

MB

Re: Day 2/-Beth

Although I probably overthink some things -- as I've already confessed in

previous emails

-- not being able to reach out and eat something when I want it is one of the

things that

makes this process difficult.

And that does not involve thinking. To prevent such a feeling of

emptiness, some

planning is required of me. Making foods ahead of time, for example, since

I'm not likely

to just go chow down a head of bok choy or raw zucchinis. And it IS possible

to chow

down a La Tortilla Factory whole wheat tortilla with lettuce, cucumber, a form

of fake

mayo, and some fake crab, or some melted ff cheese. Oh, poor overindulged me,

right?

I am not sure I know the difference between " satisfied " and " full. " I don't

feel " satisfied " if

I'm not full. Usually. I just feel an absence of " hunger. " And I rarely let

myself FEEL

hunger. Which is why I think I " m fat. Hunger is not bad. It's just a body

telling a brain:

" Time to eat. " Maybe if I let myself FEEL hunger, then I'd feel satisfied

simply by not being

hungry.

Just a different way of being. Postponing that " gratification. "

Perpetuating the

" clamboring for more. "

Yeah -- it's a bitch to have a brain that won't turn off. A bit of a curse.

But it't the brain I was born with and I can't jettison it and get another

one just yet.

So, I have to learn to deal with it and feed it morsels of information when

it gets

demanding.

(Not that it's put to sufficient good use any more in terms of socially

valuable

contributions and achievements.) But when it isn't busy, it gets bad. . . .

and punishing.

So maybe I let it obsess a bit over " eating healthy " topics rather than

allowing it to indulge

in various vices, some of which might be self destructive.

Also -- I think it just SOUNDS like I'm overanalyzing.

Truth is, I just wanna grab some carbs and they're not there, and I want

that instant

fillerup gratification, that instant " sugar rush " and I'm kinda mad inside

that it isn't there.

Carbs are a comfort! Veggies aren't. Not yet, anyway. I might be old, but

not too old to

have gotten used to Mcmania. Conspicuous consumption (conspicuous

meaning

when burger fat becomes belly fat.)

Maybe in two weeks I will be transformed and cauliflower will have replaced

mashed

potatoes and bok choy will be fine with wild or brown rice. Or glass noodles

(if they're

low enough on the glycemic index. . . .I can't remember at the moment.)

I sure hope so!! it would be so great if we could transform our concept of

" comfort "

foods. What my good ole grandma used to say, " sticks to the ribs! "

As for water -- these days I've been running low, I confess. It's difficult

for me to walk

and chew gum at the same time, as they say. Usually i can be good about what

I'm eating,

and good about exercising OR good at exercising and good at water, and only

okay at

watching the food, or, good at water and food, but not exercise. I seem to

only be able to

do two of the three components of this at once, but not all three. Right now,

I'm working

on the RIGHT food and I'm not even exercising because adjusting to this list

of good foods

isn't easy for me. I do so miss the carbs. It isn't that I'm dead without

carbs, but I miss

them, emotionally, so very much.

I dunno.

Go figure.

Your comments make me think though.

(Ooops.... Sorry. I guess that's bad. Heh, heh.)

(Aside: I once had a boyfriend who quite successfully seduced me by telling

me, " Don't

think! " I managed not to!! So I know that I'm capable of temporarily

paralyzing my brain.)

Maybe I should re-paralyze that little section of the brain right there . .

.. and discover a

new eating lifestyle, and a new slogan! " Don't think, just eat.! "

Heh.

Well -- it might work for me, but I'm afraid not everyone. Luckily not

everyone has this

particular brand of neurosis!!!

And now I will go find some recipes and cook some veggies -- adieu, adieu

(eyes cast

into the distant fog, arms flailing high to the left with the east wind, as I

am sacheting into

the kitchen....)

Annie D.

> > >

> > >

> > > If I end up losing weight during Phase 1, it might be a miracle. I

> > am having a terrible time

> > > conforming to what I'm supposed to do. Breakfast was fine: my

> > normal flaxeed meal, 1/4

> > > c lowfat soymilk, and 2 oz. lean beef. Lunch: an egg, a half

> > plate of bean sprouts, and a

> > > thin lean breakfast steak. BUT MIDWAY through the afternoon,

> > instead of getting up from

> > > the computer and cooking a veggie dish as I did yesterday, I was in

> > the middle of

> > > something important and didn't feel like breaking for a half hour

> > or so. Plus, I was having

> > > horrible chocolate cravings. So, I messed up: Had several

> > tablespoonsful of fat free

> > > baking powder mixed into about a cup of Cool Whip Free, with two

> > tablespoons of fat free

> > > sour cream thrown in, and a dash of Splenda. Not exactly a great

> > veggie dish -- except

> > > that chocolate IS a bean, isn't it??? (Heh!). So, I'm figuring

> > that oughter set me back about

> > > 200 calories or so. I recovered my losses, sort of, at dinner with

> > a few ounces of lean pork

> > > and a whole plate of that cauliflower and mushroom pilaf. Did I

> > get in 5.5 cups of

> > > veggies? Heck, no. I probably only ate 3.5 or 4 cups, total.

> > Maybe I haven't really started

> > > this program yet. Maybe I'm just gearing up for it. I am starving

> > right now. I had a Sfff

> > > popsicle, but what I ought to do is make some more veggies. But

> > I'm too tired to get up

> > > and walk over there and do it. And this is why I don't lose

> > weight. I just cannot stick

> > > closely enough to the regimen. Still -- If you were a metabolic

> > system, wouldn't you give

> > > me points for not eating bread, or drinking sugary sodas, or eating

> > french fries, or Crispy

> > > Cremes, or cakes, or pizza? Or booze? Or bread? Or corn? I might

> > not be towing the line

> > > 1-- percent, but I ought to loose SOMEthing! WW owes me

> > SOMEthing!!! Good Grief!

> > > ==Annie D.

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

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