Re: Research on Keratin Polymer--Metachel--Completed

[Guest guest]

I totally agree with Suzan. Absorption of mercury from bile is

mentioned in most if not all alternative protocols. I am dissapointed

that Andy has not updated his research to include this subject. The

theory seems very logical and there are many references on the net

(not all reliable of course) of people responding to such treatments.

The beauty of this concept is that most of the absorbing supplements

are inert and do not enter the bloodstream (chitosan, charcoal,

modifilan,metachel,perhaps even bentonite...).

> I spent some time trying to determine what good taking Metachel

might do, and

> at this point, I think that there is good evidence that mercury is

absorbed

> into hair, such as the horsehair that Metachel is used to produce.

I think

> that our own hair mercury tests validate that mercury has an

affinity for

> hair. Now, to decide if Metachel might in some way assist in the

> detoxification of mercury or arsenic, used concurrently with Alpha

Lipoic

> Acid, as the manufacturer suggests, I have made some guesses.

>

> First, time of travel through the bile ducts would be an issue,

logically. I

> don't know how long it takes for keratin polymer to absorb mercury,

and we

> don't really know how long it takes mercury to show up in hair on

one's self.

> Adding carrot fiber to the product might speed something up,

besides phase

> one liver metabolism, allowing the mercury to actually be removed

from the

> body by the keratin.

>

> I searched on Medline and there was really nothing there. I have

come to no

> real conclusion, except for the following. It is probably generally

true that

> mercury toxic individuals are low in bile. That might not always be

the case,

> but bile was one of the first issues that I recall wondering about.

I'd had

> either/both a pesticide or sulfite exposure and began vomiting up

bile after

> vomiting all night back when I was about 32 years old and had 24

fillings

> placed and then redone (just prior to getting sick for the rest of

my life to

> present).

>

> I wondered how the bile was restored when I was still sick 20 years

later.

> Anything that produces more bile, seems good to me; anything that

gets

> mercury out through both urine and feces is good. We do recall that

urine is

> a hefty component of excretion of mercury, however.

>

> I think the " furball " analogy might be funny, but then again

Cardiovascular

> Research and Ecological Formulas might know stuff I cannot find

online. To

> take the analogy further-- the Metachel, or " furball " whichever

one likes to

> call it, would probably have to get " stuck " to do any mercury

removal. I am

> guessing that transit time is going to make the product a possible

waste of

> money, but I am in no position to be sure.

>

> At this point, unless Andy says that Metachel is useful, I'd go

with the

> grapefruit suggestion at the bottom of this long email of research.

> Lactobacillus, Acidophilus, and FOS probably do as good a job of

ridding the

> body of mercury in the area of the bile ducts by their protective

action

> against toxins and he suggests these in his book at noamalgam.com.

We all

> probably need about ten times the dose on the bottles. Also, fibers

might do

> just as good a job as the Metachel and not speed up phase one liver

> metabolism. As I said before the orange foods do that, and carrots

are orange.

>

> One of the sites I visited suggested that eating fats produces

bile, (our

> fats should be unsaturated ones), and the recipe at the bottom of

this email

> seems to me to fill the bill regarding production of bile, and

ridding the

> body of toxins quickly, which is what Metachel seems to be

available to do. I

> did see the term below " sulfhydryl keratine protein " with reference

to human

> skin, nails and hair, but found no references to horsehair. Beyond

that I

> have no more guesses. We will require Andy to comment on Metachel.

SJ

>

> Medline searches:http://www.public-

health.uiowa.edu/fuortes/Text/mer_ars2.htm

>

> Arsenic is deposited in skin and nails/hair where it binds to

sulfhydryl

> keratin protein moieties, and is excreted through desquamation and

sweat, and

> concentrated in nails and hair. This resulted in the empiric use

of Bezoars,

> hair balls, as preventive therapy for poisoning in the Middle Ages.

>

>

> http://www.neuraltherapy.com/hfiles/Mercury%20Detoxification.htm

> Hg gets into the hair follicle via the blood stream, then binds to

the

> keratin protein. Methyl-Hg becomes up to 250 times more

concentrated than in

> the blood where it came from. It is therefore a great test for

acute Hg

> toxicity, which is by definition the stage in which Hg is present

in the

> blood stream. After acute exposure to Hg - such as placement of a

dental

> amalgam filling - most Hg is disappeared from the blood within 3

weeks and

> none is present in 3 months. After 3 months most the Hg that has

left the

> filling is oxidized and now firmly bound to proteins and

proteoglycans (ie

> enzymes, matrix-structure in connective tissue) or as metallic Hg

stored in

> fatty tissue.

>

> http://205.180.85.40/w/pc.cgi?mid=13803&sid=1787

> At least one journal article questions the effect of mercury in

amalgam on

> hair loss and another reports on hair loss due to hair bleaches

containing

> mercury.

>

> the brainstem (endstation of the cranial nerves V, IX and X that

transport

> mercury ... gets

> into the hair follicle via the blood stream, then binds to the

keratin ...

> www.neuraltherapy.com/hfiles/ Mercury%20Detoxification.htm - 21k -

http://216.239.39.100/search?

q=cache:7evTYCrumwYC:www.neuraltherapy.com/hfiles/Mercury%

2520Detoxification.htm+mercury+keratin&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 " >Cached -

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-

8&q=related:www.neuraltherapy.com/hfiles/Mercury%

2520Detoxification.htm " >

> Similar pages

>

> Continual oral administration of reduced keratin polymers

> would reduce the body burden of organic mercury in humans. ...

> drguberman.com/Special.cfm - 42k - http://216.239.51.100/search?

q=cache:lARIsEkKWZoC:drguberman.com/Special.cfm+keratin+mercury&hl=en&

ie=UTF-8 " >Cached - http://www.google.com/search?

hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=related:drguberman.com/Special.cfm " >Similar

pages

>

> Hydrolyzed Plant Protein (HPP), same as HVP. Keratin@, derived from

nail or

> hair. ... Thimerosal,

> very effective preservative that contains mercury and has been used

in ...

> www.foodag.com/en/000.htm - 22k - http://216.239.51.100/search?

q=cache:b_GKDdz8bdIC:www.foodag.com/en/000.htm+keratin+mercury&hl=en&i

e=UTF-8 " >Cached - http://www.google.com/search?

hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=related:www.foodag.com/en/000.htm " >Similar

pages

>

> be quantitatively useful for the detection of arsenic, and methyl

mercury ...

> are fundamentally

> similar to the epidermis however contain proportionally more

keratin ...

> www.atsdr.cdc.gov/HAC/hair_analysis/ appendix_c_robert.htm - 31k -

http://216.239.53.100/search?

q=cache:AD4Tf4b6bC0C:www.atsdr.cdc.gov/HAC/hair_analysis/appendix_c_ro

bert.htm+keratin+mercury&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 " >Cached - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-

8&q=related:www.atsdr.cdc.gov/HAC/hair_analysis/appendix_c_robert.htm "

>

> Similar pages

>

> Keratin Protein Adsorption of Heavy Metals, Patent pending, June

2001. ...

> www.mines.unr.edu/met-eng/People/Misra_CV.pdf - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-

8&q=related:www.mines.unr.edu/met-eng/People/Misra_CV.pdf " >Similar

pages

>

> Arsenic is a toxin, and the body concentrates arsenic

> in keratin ... This has resulted in elevated mercury levels in fish

100 miles

> away. ...

> www.ban.org/Library/asiachildren.html - 30k - http://216.239.51.100/search?

q=cache:CakH9IpXNawC:www.ban.org/Library/asiachildren.html+keratin+mer

cury&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 " >Cached - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-

8&q=related:www.ban.org/Library/asiachildren.html " >Similar pages

>

> CHARCOAL

> pure Charcoal activated pure Charcoal_wood powder Chemizorb®

granules

> absorbent

> for mercury ... K, 1.05201 1.08117, Keratin Kieselguhr purified and

calcined

> NF XVII. ...

> www.merck-ti.de/tabelle/cia_tabelle.htm - 53k - http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:qEAeQCRVTf0C:www.merck-

ti.de/tabelle/cia_tabelle.htm+keratin+mercury&hl=en&ie=UTF-

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> TRAINING MANUAL

>

> >

> >

> It is the job of the liver to make bile, 1 to 1.5 quarts in a day.

The liver

> is full of tubes (biliary tubing) that deliver the bile to one

large tube

> (the common bile duct). The gallbladder is attached to the common

bile duct

> and acts as a storage reservoir. Eating fats triggers the

gallbladder to

> squeeze itself empty after about twenty minutes, and the stored

bile finishes

> its trip down the common bile duct to the intestine. The liver

usually

> manages to take most of the toxins (that it can recognize) out of

our body.

> Bile is used to remove heavy metals out from our body (cadmium,

copper, lead,

> mercury, radioactive elements, ...) But, the way our liver is

doing it may

> cause those toxins to come back inside of our body. Our liver is

producing

> bile from cholesterol by converting it into bile acids. Bile

contains a lot

> of toxins that have to be removed from our body. But, the problem

is that

> bile is going directly into our intestines, and by doing this we

have chance

> of absorbing those toxins again in our blood stream.

> It is natural fibers and lignans in our food that are suppose to

bind with

> bile, and help taking bile out of our intestines. What happens if

we don't

> eat enough fibers ? We may reabsorb some of the bile back into

the blood

> and lymph stream.

> In order to prevent reabsorbing those toxins, our intestines

produce even

> more mucus on it's walls, preventing in this way absorption of too

many bad

> things. Now, as it may not be enough, or liver starts coagulating

some bile

> that contain a lot toxins, in order to let them pass through our

intestines

> without being absorbed. Now, those coagulated acids are called

gallstones.

> And they are occasionally passed down the intestines, when we eat

fatty

> foods.

> For many persons, including children, the biliary tubing is choked

with

> gallstones. Some develop allergies or hives but some have no

symptoms. As

> the stones grow and become more numerous the back pressure on the

liver

> causes it to make less bile.

> Imagine the situation if your garden hose had marbles in it. Much

less

> water would flow, which in turn would decrease the ability of the

hose to

> squirt out the marbles. With gallstones, much less cholesterol

leaves the

> body, and cholesterol levels rise.

> Gallstones, being porous, can pick up all the bacteria, cysts,

viruses and

> parasites that are passing through the liver. In this way " nests "

of

> infection are formed, forever supplying the body with fresh

bacteria. No

> stomach infection such as ulcers or intestinal bloating can be

cured

> permanently without removing these gallstones from the liver. "

> Not only that gallstones will decrease production of bile, but some

of them

> may also move down to the gallbladder. Amount of bile that you

actually get

> in your intestines is equal to the amount of water that you have

squeezed the

> second time. Because you did not get enough bile, fats you ate

will not be

> properly digested, and you will not be able to absorb them. Also

having not

> enough bile inside intestines will affect intestinal flora. It may

also make

> you more susceptible to intestinal parasites. Did you know that

80% of

> people have intestinal parasitic animals ? Once parasites get into

your bowel

> system, they eat your nutrients, they secret toxins.

> You absorb those toxins. Toxins from parasites also kill

intestinal flora,

> beneficial bacteria like Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Bifidumbacter

Bifidus,

> ... Without intestinal flora, Candida Albicans and other yeast

grow inside

> your bowel without control. Toxins produced by the Candida yeast

family can

> cause many diseases. Candida can escape from the bowel, and cause

a lot of

> troubles on your skin, inside your muscles (Fibromyalgia, CFS),

inside your

> brain (brain fog), and generally decrease your immunity. making you

more

> susceptible to any other infection. Without intestinal flora,

your

> digestion is not going to prepare nutrients from the food, for

absorption.

> Your bowel digestion is going to prepare toxins for absorption.

> After 5 - 50 years of this kind of digestion, you may develop

Constipation,

> Colitis, Chron's disease, Irritable bowel syndrome, Tumors,

Arthritis, Cancer

> . When you eat some fatty foods, your body gives you a warning.

Gallstones

> attack, or allergy, or digestive problems, or arthritis, or

shoulder pain, or

> arm pain,... You name it. " Tunnels " in your liver are

obstructed with

> stones, and very little of bile comes into your Duodenum. Because

you don't

> have enough bile, fats will not be properly digested, and you will

not absorb

> them.

> At the same time, there is no gallbladder to collect bile in-

between meals,

> so bile will be dropping out from your liver, directly into the

intestines.

> That will irritate intestines, making it more possible for you to

develop

> Ulcerative Colitis, Chron's Disease, Irritable Bowel Syndrome,

Frequent

> diarrhea, Bloating and poor digestion. There will be no enough

bile when it

> is needed,, and in the same time, there will be too much bile when

you don't

> need it ! Fats you ate will not be properly digested, and you

will not be

> able to absorb them.

> Also having not enough bile inside intestines will affect

intestinal flora.

> It may also make you more susceptible to intestinal parasites.

Once

> parasites get into your bowel system, they eat your nutrients, they

secret

> toxins. You absorb those toxins. Toxins from parasites also

kill

> intestinal flora, beneficial bacteria like Lactobacillus

Acidophilus,

> Bifidumbacter Bifidus, ... Without intestinal flora, Candida

Albicans and

> other yeast grow inside your bowel without control. Toxins

produced by

> Candida yeast family can cause numerous diseases. Candida can

escape from the

> bowel, and cause a lot of troubles on your skin, inside your

muscles

> (Fibromyalgia, CFS), inside your brain (brain fog), and generally

decrease

> your immunity. making you more susceptible to any other infection.

> Without intestinal flora, your digestion is not going to prepare

nutrients

> from the food, for absorption. Your bowel digestion is going to

prepare

> toxins for absorption. After 1 - 50 years of this kind of

digestion, you

> may develop Constipation, Colitis, Chron's disease, Irritable bowel

syndrome,

> Tumors, Allergies, Arthritis, Cancer, and many other health

problems.

> " Gallbladder operation is the most common operation in North

America. Every

> year, more than half a million people in the United States and more

than

> 50,000 people in Canada undergo surgery to remove their

gallbladders because

> of gallstones. "

> 90% of people have gallstones

> 80% of people do not know that they have gallstones

> 50% of children have gallstones

> Approximately 80% of all gallstones show no symptoms and may

remain " silent "

> for years. "

> More than 90 % of Americans and people in develop countries will in

their

> life develop some of these problems: Acne, Colitis, Heart diseases,

Leukemia,

> Chron's disease, Irritable bowel syndrome, Tumors, Allergies,

Arthritis,

> Eczema, Psoriasis, Cancer, AIDS...

>

> http://cat007.com/clense.htm

> > This is not at all unplesant. In fact, after your first one you

may have a

> > feeling of general wellbeing.

> > 1. Chop up two lemons or a grapefruit (after removing both ends,

but keep

> > the rind) into little pieces. Add 2 tablespoons of Virgin olive

oil. Put in

> > blender. Run for a couple of minutes. Strain it through a fine

strainer.

> > 2. 1 1/2 cups of pure water (avoid tap water if possible).

> > 3. Put all in the blender and run for 1 minute. One may add a

little

> > sugar or honey.

> > 4. Drink immediately.

> > 5. If you wish to gain weight split the drink into three portions

& drink

> > with each meal throughout the day.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/1/2002 11:27:59 PM Central Daylight Time,

jannarone@... writes:

> http://cat007.com/clense.htm

> > This is not at all unplesant. In fact, after your first one you may

> have a

> > feeling of general wellbeing.

> > 1. Chop up two lemons or a grapefruit (after removing both ends, but keep

>

> > the rind) into little pieces. Add 2 tablespoons of Virgin olive oil. Put

> in

> > blender. Run for a couple of minutes. Strain it through a fine strainer.

> > 2. 1 1/2 cups of pure water (avoid tap water if possible).

> > 3. Put all in the blender and run for 1 minute. One may add a little

> > sugar or honey.

> > 4. Drink immediately.

> > 5. If you wish to gain weight split the drink into three portions & drink

>

> > with each meal throughout the day.

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,

My doctor just prescribed this liver cleanse for me:

Fast with apple juice all day

6pm: take 1 tsp epsom salt in 8 oz. of water

8pm: repeat above

10pm: Take 4 oz. olive oil with 4 oz. lemon juice. Go to bed

6am: repeat epsom salt

8am: repeat epsom salt

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I'm going to try this liver cleanse starting this weekend. If any of you

have done this before, would appreciate to know how it worked.

Claire

[Guest guest]

> I totally agree with Suzan. Absorption of mercury from bile is

> mentioned in most if not all alternative protocols. I am

dissapointed

> that Andy has not updated his research to include this subject.

Andy's research is more than adequately up to date on the subject,

thank you. I am dissapointed that so many people feel like blathering

about stuff they haven't botherred to do research on as if their

ignorance created an obligation for people who DO konw waht they are

doing to waste hours and hours spoon feeding them information that is

readily available in the medical literature.

The absorption of inorganic mercury from the intestinal tract is 10%

or less.

The form excreted in bile is inorganic. Recycling is at most 10%.

This is not clinically significant.

> The

> theory seems very logical and there are many references on the net

> (not all reliable of course)

Ummmmm..... you me some things on the web aren't RELIABLE? Wow! What

a concept!

Even the stuff in the medical books is of limited reliability, but I

don't generally find it worth wasting time explaining things to people

who can't be botherred to at least know that much. Which is about

1,000 times more than is accurately described on the net.

> of people responding to such treatments.

> The beauty of this concept is that most of the absorbing supplements

> are inert and do not enter the bloodstream (chitosan, charcoal,

> modifilan,metachel,perhaps even bentonite...).

Yup. Incompetent alternative practitioners can make a killing by

prescribing agents that don't do anything and pointing out that at

least you didn't get sick from them.

If you want to get better you do have to use agents that do something

- that is, that aren't placebos - and thus you have to know what you

are doing so you don't mess yourself up. If you don't want to get

better you can use MetaChel on any protocol you wish.

Andy . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

[Guest guest]

Hi jannarone@a:

> I spent some time trying to determine what good taking Metachel

might do, and

> at this point, I think that there is good evidence that mercury is

absorbed

> into hair, such as the horsehair that Metachel is used to produce. I

think

> that our own hair mercury tests validate that mercury has an

affinity for

> hair.

What do you mean by this? I am so lost

Maybe you mean that hair levels of merc used to test horses are

valid research? Maybe if I would read the Metachel site I would

understand LOL!

> Now, to decide if Metachel might in some way assist in the

> detoxification of mercury or arsenic, used concurrently with Alpha

Lipoic

> Acid, as the manufacturer suggests,

if you use it with ALA, how would you ever know if the Metachel

even helped? I don't think you would. Which is okay, but not

useful for concluding about Metachel.

best,

Moria

[Guest guest]

Dear Andy,

I think that most people in this group will agree that your style

of discussion is totally unacceptable, especially so for a true

scientist. I respect and use your research but I have to say that

your idea of yourself is a bit inflated. If anything , I would

suggest a few more rounds of ALA + DMSA along with daily chitosan

and/or metachel...You will calm down and might be more respectful to

people you don't know (they might even hold Ph.Ds too you know...).

To the group: I have been lurking here for 2+ years while

endlessly researching everyhting I could find on mercury detox. I

have spoken to many conventional and alternative doctor during this

time and finally started Andy's protocol with good results. But I

never stopped reading anything new on the subject and have tried

some things too. During the last 3 years I have been monitoring my

hair minerals every 2 months to try and understand how mercury moves

with detox, diet etc...I also closely monitored my blood levels

during times of worse symptoms. I believe that this gave me at least

hints of how mercury behaves in the body (in MY body of course). To

make a long story short, attention to the condition of the bowel and

absorbing substances (I am using modifilan and chitosan) have

clearly and significantly helped me with mercury detox. Also, I

suspect that mercury is present in the so called mucoid plaque that

a number of doctors claim is present in most people's bowels.

Another thing I have experienced is that when I used ALA+DMSA my

bowel flora would be negatively affected which in my opinion means

that more toxins end up in the bowel. Funnily, this is indirectly

supported by Andy too - he suggests huge daily doses of probiotics

to support the bowel flora. Chitosan absorbs mercury and this has

been clearly documented (search in usenet for japanese study).

Modifilan is an algae which is sold for the purpose of pulling

mercury. I haven't seen any paper on it but I have details of a

paper on the mercury absorbing capability of other algae. The

important thing though is that on ME it WORKS. I have less side

effects from Andy's protocol and better bowel habbits. Also my hair

mercury levels are more predictable and steadily going down from the

time I started using an absorber (I started with 7ppm then going to

6,5, 4, 3.5, 6, 3, 2, 1.4).

Remember that most absorbers do not add anything to the bloodstream

(especially chitosan but also metachel and charcoal)and should not

produce side effects.

Just in case the group does not want any independent opinions

except Andy's please inform me. English is not my native language

and writing messages takes much more time for me. In any case I hope

that my experience is a positive addition to the group archives...

> > I totally agree with Suzan. Absorption of mercury from bile is

> > mentioned in most if not all alternative protocols. I am

> dissapointed

> > that Andy has not updated his research to include this subject.

>

> Andy's research is more than adequately up to date on the subject,

> thank you. I am dissapointed that so many people feel like

blathering

> about stuff they haven't botherred to do research on as if their

> ignorance created an obligation for people who DO konw waht they

are

> doing to waste hours and hours spoon feeding them information that

is

> readily available in the medical literature.

>

> The absorption of inorganic mercury from the intestinal tract is

10%

> or less.

>

> The form excreted in bile is inorganic. Recycling is at most

10%.

> This is not clinically significant.

>

> > The

> > theory seems very logical and there are many references on the

net

> > (not all reliable of course)

>

> Ummmmm..... you me some things on the web aren't RELIABLE? Wow!

What

> a concept!

>

> Even the stuff in the medical books is of limited reliability, but

I

> don't generally find it worth wasting time explaining things to

people

> who can't be botherred to at least know that much. Which is about

> 1,000 times more than is accurately described on the net.

>

> > of people responding to such treatments.

> > The beauty of this concept is that most of the absorbing

supplements

> > are inert and do not enter the bloodstream (chitosan, charcoal,

> > modifilan,metachel,perhaps even bentonite...).

>

> Yup. Incompetent alternative practitioners can make a killing by

> prescribing agents that don't do anything and pointing out that at

> least you didn't get sick from them.

>

> If you want to get better you do have to use agents that do

something

> - that is, that aren't placebos - and thus you have to know what

you

> are doing so you don't mess yourself up. If you don't want to get

> better you can use MetaChel on any protocol you wish.

>

> Andy . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

[Guest guest]

yes, michael, i appreciate this information and i hope others lurking

will participate more too. it's why i signed onto this group -- to

hear people's various experiences with chelation and what works and

doesn't for them, not just one opinion reiterated over and over again

about the " only " way to do it. thanks.

> > > I totally agree with Suzan. Absorption of mercury from bile is

> > > mentioned in most if not all alternative protocols. I am

> > dissapointed

> > > that Andy has not updated his research to include this subject.

> >

> > Andy's research is more than adequately up to date on the subject,

> > thank you. I am dissapointed that so many people feel like

> blathering

> > about stuff they haven't botherred to do research on as if their

> > ignorance created an obligation for people who DO konw waht they

> are

> > doing to waste hours and hours spoon feeding them information that

> is

> > readily available in the medical literature.

> >

> > The absorption of inorganic mercury from the intestinal tract is

> 10%

> > or less.

> >

> > The form excreted in bile is inorganic. Recycling is at most

> 10%.

> > This is not clinically significant.

> >

> > > The

> > > theory seems very logical and there are many references on the

> net

> > > (not all reliable of course)

> >

> > Ummmmm..... you me some things on the web aren't RELIABLE? Wow!

> What

> > a concept!

> >

> > Even the stuff in the medical books is of limited reliability, but

> I

> > don't generally find it worth wasting time explaining things to

> people

> > who can't be botherred to at least know that much. Which is about

> > 1,000 times more than is accurately described on the net.

> >

> > > of people responding to such treatments.

> > > The beauty of this concept is that most of the absorbing

> supplements

> > > are inert and do not enter the bloodstream (chitosan, charcoal,

> > > modifilan,metachel,perhaps even bentonite...).

> >

> > Yup. Incompetent alternative practitioners can make a killing by

> > prescribing agents that don't do anything and pointing out that at

> > least you didn't get sick from them.

> >

> > If you want to get better you do have to use agents that do

> something

> > - that is, that aren't placebos - and thus you have to know what

> you

> > are doing so you don't mess yourself up. If you don't want to get

> > better you can use MetaChel on any protocol you wish.

> >

> > Andy . . . . . . . . . . . . . .