chelation and chemical detox

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Recently I've been reading about the Hubbard Detoxification Protocol.

Yes, this was documented by THE late L Ron Hubbard of Scientology

fame/infamy in his book " Clear Body Clear Mind. "

In any case, there are a number of protocols for ridding the body of

chemicals that have been absorbed from our environments. As toxic

metal poisoned individuals should we be detoxifying our bodies from

things other than metals as well as chelating -- perhaps not at the

same time.

Thoughts? Experiences?

Thanks,

Sol

[Guest guest]

When I first was put on disability (back in 1988), I flew out to Sacramento, CA

to do L. Ron Hubbard's detox protocol at a place called Health Med. I believe

it is still in existence, since a friend of mine who lives in Taho just went

there this spring. There used to be one in Los Angeles, but I'm not sure if it

is still there. I can't really say how much improvement it gave me. If there

was any, it wasn't that noticeable.

chelation and chemical detox

Hi,

Recently I've been reading about the Hubbard Detoxification Protocol.

Yes, this was documented by THE late L Ron Hubbard of Scientology

fame/infamy in his book " Clear Body Clear Mind. "

In any case, there are a number of protocols for ridding the body of

chemicals that have been absorbed from our environments. As toxic

metal poisoned individuals should we be detoxifying our bodies from

things other than metals as well as chelating -- perhaps not at the

same time.

Thoughts? Experiences?

Thanks,

Sol

[Guest guest]

> Recently I've been reading about the Hubbard Detoxification

Protocol.

> Yes, this was documented by THE late L Ron Hubbard of Scientology

> fame/infamy in his book " Clear Body Clear Mind. "

>

> In any case, there are a number of protocols for ridding the body of

> chemicals that have been absorbed from our environments. As toxic

> metal poisoned individuals should we be detoxifying our bodies from

> things other than metals as well as chelating -- perhaps not at the

> same time.

>

> Thoughts? Experiences?

Hi Sol,

this is hard for me to comment on without writing for at least

half an hour! but I'll try to summarize LOL!

1. I think toxicity is a common thing for people. many kinds.

2. I think detox is a healthy maintanence practice for people.

3. notice in #2 I did not say " merc toxic people " . Anyone.

4. there are lots and lots of ways.

Hum. That seems to sum it up!

I actually " came around to chelation " through other forms

of detox. Sorta kinda anyway. I've only done a BIT of some

things--- I'm no pro -- I haven't " tried it all " . But I

have done, at least once:

--juice fasting (including wheatgrass juice)

--enemas of several kinds (including coffee enemas)

--liver cleanse

--kidney cleanse

--colonic irrigation

--bowel cleanse products

That is what comes to mind. I'm probably forgetting something.

I have lots of books and whatnot about this stuff.

best wishes,

Moria

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

Has anyone had any detox success using Far Infared Sauna therapy?

Kathy

Re: chelation and chemical detox

> Recently I've been reading about the Hubbard Detoxification

Protocol.

> Yes, this was documented by THE late L Ron Hubbard of Scientology

> fame/infamy in his book " Clear Body Clear Mind. "

>

> In any case, there are a number of protocols for ridding the body of

> chemicals that have been absorbed from our environments. As toxic

> metal poisoned individuals should we be detoxifying our bodies from

> things other than metals as well as chelating -- perhaps not at the

> same time.

>

> Thoughts? Experiences?

Hi Sol,

this is hard for me to comment on without writing for at least

half an hour! but I'll try to summarize LOL!

1. I think toxicity is a common thing for people. many kinds.

2. I think detox is a healthy maintanence practice for people.

3. notice in #2 I did not say " merc toxic people " . Anyone.

4. there are lots and lots of ways.

Hum. That seems to sum it up!

I actually " came around to chelation " through other forms

of detox. Sorta kinda anyway. I've only done a BIT of some

things--- I'm no pro -- I haven't " tried it all " . But I

have done, at least once:

--juice fasting (including wheatgrass juice)

--enemas of several kinds (including coffee enemas)

--liver cleanse

--kidney cleanse

--colonic irrigation

--bowel cleanse products

That is what comes to mind. I'm probably forgetting something.

I have lots of books and whatnot about this stuff.

best wishes,

Moria

[Guest guest]

> Has anyone had any detox success using Far Infared Sauna therapy?

I don't know. I have heard from a lot of people who got devastatingly

worse using it. Regular sauna seems to work fine, but I'd suggest

avoiding infrared sauna.

Andy .. . . . . .. .

[Guest guest]

Many people have been cured from mercury by using infrared saunas.

You just need to know what you are doing in terms of remineralisation

and supplementation with antioxidants and intestinal mercury

absorbers. For many doctors FIR saunas are the golden standard for

heavy metal detox. Andy is just not prepared to accept it openly. In

an older message, if I remember correctly, he has stated that 1 hour

of sauna is probably equivalent to the daily chelation protocol. FIR

is much better than a normal sauna, and combined with proper mineral

supplementation (minerals are chelators too - Andy accepts this) and

intestinal mercury absorbers, it could be more effective than an ALA

and DMSA based detox and with less side effects. Alternative medicine

protocols also have alternatives.

> > Has anyone had any detox success using Far Infared Sauna therapy?

>

> I don't know. I have heard from a lot of people who got

devastatingly

> worse using it. Regular sauna seems to work fine, but I'd suggest

> avoiding infrared sauna.

>

> Andy .. . . . . .. .

[Guest guest]

polkadot@... wrote:

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[Guest guest]

What are " intestinal mercury absorbers " ??

At 11:41 AM +0000 11/19/02, george7582000 wrote:

>Many people have been cured from mercury by using infrared saunas.

>You just need to know what you are doing in terms of remineralisation

>and supplementation with antioxidants and intestinal mercury

>absorbers. For many doctors FIR saunas are the golden standard for

>heavy metal detox. Andy is just not prepared to accept it openly. In

>an older message, if I remember correctly, he has stated that 1 hour

>of sauna is probably equivalent to the daily chelation protocol. FIR

>is much better than a normal sauna, and combined with proper mineral

>supplementation (minerals are chelators too - Andy accepts this) and

>intestinal mercury absorbers, it could be more effective than an ALA

>and DMSA based detox and with less side effects. Alternative medicine

>protocols also have alternatives.

>

>

>

>> > Has anyone had any detox success using Far Infared Sauna therapy?

>>

>> I don't know. I have heard from a lot of people who got

>devastatingly

>> worse using it. Regular sauna seems to work fine, but I'd suggest

>> avoiding infrared sauna.

>>

>> Andy .. . . . . .. .

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy,

where did she publish this " detailed sauna protocol " ??

thanks, jaen

At 8:17 AM -0800 11/19/02, polkadot@...> wrote:

>-

>

>Thanks so much for your posting. Most enviro doc is really big on

>sauna therapy for chelation of a lot of bad stuff including the

>metals. She has been all over me to get a FIR sauna, the only

>technology one that could provide her the scientific proof to her

>satisfaction that it really works for deep detoxifiaction. She

>herself has EI and is incredibly well compared to the way she use to

>be and has managed to detox just about everything out of her own

>body with the exception of one pesky pesticide. It is such a strong

>belief for her now that it is in all her books and she finally

>published a detailed sauna protocol. It is what I plan to follow.

>

>I am a toxic waste dump myself and particularly loaded with cadmium,

>arsenic, aluminum and of course Mercury. I have tried different type

>of chelation in the past and although I mobilize, we just can't get

>them out of my body. I am really looking forward to trying FIR as it

>is something that I have not done yet.

>

>You also mention some type of intestinal mercury absorbers...are you

>talking about something like Charcoal?

>

>Thanks again for the posting.

>Kathy

>

> Re: chelation and chemical detox

>

>

> Many people have been cured from mercury by using infrared saunas.

> You just need to know what you are doing in terms of remineralisation

> and supplementation with antioxidants and intestinal mercury

> absorbers. For many doctors FIR saunas are the golden standard for

> heavy metal detox. Andy is just not prepared to accept it openly. In

> an older message, if I remember correctly, he has stated that 1 hour

> of sauna is probably equivalent to the daily chelation protocol. FIR

> is much better than a normal sauna, and combined with proper mineral

> supplementation (minerals are chelators too - Andy accepts this) and

> intestinal mercury absorbers, it could be more effective than an ALA

> and DMSA based detox and with less side effects. Alternative medicine

> protocols also have alternatives.

>

>

>

> > > Has anyone had any detox success using Far Infared Sauna therapy?

> >

> > I don't know. I have heard from a lot of people who got

> devastatingly

> > worse using it. Regular sauna seems to work fine, but I'd suggest

> > avoiding infrared sauna.

> >

> > Andy .. . . . . .. .

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

-

Thanks so much for your posting. Most enviro doc is really big on sauna therapy

for chelation of a lot of bad stuff including the metals. She has been all over

me to get a FIR sauna, the only technology one that could provide her the

scientific proof to her satisfaction that it really works for deep

detoxifiaction. She herself has EI and is incredibly well compared to the way

she use to be and has managed to detox just about everything out of her own body

with the exception of one pesky pesticide. It is such a strong belief for her

now that it is in all her books and she finally published a detailed sauna

protocol. It is what I plan to follow.

I am a toxic waste dump myself and particularly loaded with cadmium, arsenic,

aluminum and of course Mercury. I have tried different type of chelation in the

past and although I mobilize, we just can't get them out of my body. I am really

looking forward to trying FIR as it is something that I have not done yet.

You also mention some type of intestinal mercury absorbers...are you talking

about something like Charcoal?

Thanks again for the posting.

Kathy

Re: chelation and chemical detox

Many people have been cured from mercury by using infrared saunas.

You just need to know what you are doing in terms of remineralisation

and supplementation with antioxidants and intestinal mercury

absorbers. For many doctors FIR saunas are the golden standard for

heavy metal detox. Andy is just not prepared to accept it openly. In

an older message, if I remember correctly, he has stated that 1 hour

of sauna is probably equivalent to the daily chelation protocol. FIR

is much better than a normal sauna, and combined with proper mineral

supplementation (minerals are chelators too - Andy accepts this) and

intestinal mercury absorbers, it could be more effective than an ALA

and DMSA based detox and with less side effects. Alternative medicine

protocols also have alternatives.

> > Has anyone had any detox success using Far Infared Sauna therapy?

>

> I don't know. I have heard from a lot of people who got

devastatingly

> worse using it. Regular sauna seems to work fine, but I'd suggest

> avoiding infrared sauna.

>

> Andy .. . . . . .. .

[Guest guest]

Hi Kay and Jean-

My enviro doc is the renown yet very controversial Dr. Sherry . She

published a very detailed protocol in her most book called Pain Free in Six

Weeks. It is available pretty much everywhere, NEEDS has good pricing on it and

I think Amazon does too. The publisher is

https://secure.dreamscape.com/prestigepublishing/html_web_store/html_web_store.c\

gi

Her newest book Detoxify or Die has just been released and there may be

additional information or updated sauna protocol info in this book as well. The

last time I saw Dr she said that it would be greared toward

detoxification with FIR being a big chunk of the book. I don't know that for a

fact cause I don't have the book yet.

As with all her books she puts in everything she knows to try and help people,

particularly those who don't have access to or cannot afford to see an enviro

doc . The protocol is wonderful, as it is a step by step detailed program that

covers everything you can think of such as times in the sauna, supplement

replacements, how to manage a sauna reaction, vasodilating before the sauna,

etc. For someone with brain fog such a mine, I really like step by step

instructions on how to do things!

If you would like to email me privately, I will provide more details.

Kathy

I've just begun mercury detox and am using a portable

FIR sauna. But since I'm doing this on my own, I'm

floundering around a little. Would you mind posting

the name of the books (and author) particularly the

one which contains the sauna protocol? Or you can

email it to me privately if you prefer. Thanks.

Kay

Hi Kathy,

where did she publish this " detailed sauna protocol " ??

thanks, jaen

[Guest guest]

> Many people have been cured from mercury by using infrared saunas.

> You just need to know what you are doing in terms of

remineralisation

> and supplementation with antioxidants and intestinal mercury

> absorbers. For many doctors FIR saunas are the golden standard for

> heavy metal detox. Andy is just not prepared to accept it openly.

so does that mean he accepts it secretly? ha ha ha

I think that would be a first! He is generally pretty open

as far as I can tell.

> In

> an older message, if I remember correctly, he has stated that 1 hour

> of sauna is probably equivalent to the daily chelation protocol.

yes-- that was in reference to " regular " saunas though.

> FIR

> is much better than a normal sauna, and combined with proper mineral

> supplementation (minerals are chelators too - Andy accepts this)

hummm, where do you find that Andy thinks minerals are chelators?

I think you may be reading a different Andy?

best wishes,

Moria

[Guest guest]

Dear Morria,

I did not expect such a biased approach to my message. KEEP AN

OPEN MIND!!!! Just check FIR saunas on the net. It is common

knowledge that they help with heavy metal detox. Also, L. Ron

Hubbard's protocol, which is based on saunas, has been extensively

studied and has been found to reduce mercury levels effectively.

> > Many people have been cured from mercury by using infrared

saunas.

> > You just need to know what you are doing in terms of

> remineralisation

> > and supplementation with antioxidants and intestinal mercury

> > absorbers. For many doctors FIR saunas are the golden standard

for

> > heavy metal detox. Andy is just not prepared to accept it

openly.

>

> so does that mean he accepts it secretly? ha ha ha

> I think that would be a first! He is generally pretty open

> as far as I can tell.

I am not a native English speaker - sorry for that. What I mean is

that he does not want to accept it because he has done all this work

without looking at other methods which are considered valid and

effective. Yestrday, for example, I spoke to a practitioner in

California, who is working with cancer patients and other serious

illnesses and who uses FIR saunas for mercury detox along with

modifilan as intestinal mercury absorber. She has used this protocol

apparently very successfully and with monitoring of urine and sweat

mercury content to evaluate the process. She is Dr.Bormann at

www.arrowheadhealthworks.com

> > In

> > an older message, if I remember correctly, he has stated that 1

hour

> > of sauna is probably equivalent to the daily chelation protocol.

>

> yes-- that was in reference to " regular " saunas though.

I know that and that is why I propose that FIR is probably much

better. Possibly so much better that Andy should look at it more

seriously. He suggested to somebody in the group to stay away of FIR

saunas because he had seen people get bad reactions. Now tell me, is

this scientific? Sauna usage has many parameters like time period,

temperature, remineralisation, hydration... Did he research all this?

> > FIR

> > is much better than a normal sauna, and combined with proper

mineral

> > supplementation (minerals are chelators too - Andy accepts this)

>

> hummm, where do you find that Andy thinks minerals are chelators?

> I think you may be reading a different Andy?

Just check page 87 of the book. I remembered that minerals are mild

chelators. Andy mentions citrate as magnesium, calcium, potassium

etc. He clearly states that they are chelators and that they reduce

brain fog in some people.

Keep an open mind,

[Guest guest]

What I call intestinal mercury absorbers are substances that bind

mercury in the intestinal tract. They are not chelators which go in

the bloodstream. I have not scientifically researched their

effectiveness but these are the facts which I consider to be valid:

-Charcoal absorbs mercury (a number of references in usenet and

scientific publications. A merck product to bind mercury - not for

human use though).

-Chitosan absorbs mercury (usenet references of japanese research)

-Modifilan absorbs mercury. Modifilan worked wonderfully for me.

Also, Dr. Bormann at www.arrowheadhealthworks.com told me that in

her work with heavily toxic people it is one of the few things that

work really well. Needless to say I have absolutely no connection to

the company marketing it.

-Chlorella probably absorbs mercury and some doctors prescribe it

and support its use strongly. I decided not to use it because Andy

has a strong view against it - and I believe that he might be right.

-Metachel might absorb mercury. I tried it and I possibly got

negative side effects, but I am not really sure it was from it. As

most people here know, detox always has its ups and downs.

-According to Dr. of Arise and Shine, their bentonite shake

will absorb mercury. It is interesting to check 's mercury

removal protocol just for reference. It gives some interesting

views. Call their support line and they will give you the site.

I started to chelate after reading Andy's book, totaly believing in

his method. After a lot of ups and downs and trials with supplements

I decided to follow a different approach. I help my body remove

mercury and heal with its natural mechanisms.

I support my body with natural minerals,enzymes and antioxidants

from a lot of juices. I have an alkaline diet with as much vegetable

protein as I can. I use saunas. I use modifilan.

I monitor my hair elements every 2 months and I have gathered

valuable knowledge of how mercury behaves in my body. For the moment

it is obvious that mercury is moving and is being excreted. Also my

subjective symptoms from mercury are much less strong. I have more

energy and mental clarity.

If I feel and see in the hair tests that the above method does not

remove any more mercury I will turn back to Andy's chelation to

remove the rest.

(Greece)

[Guest guest]

Just look at www.modifilan.com

[Guest guest]

For God's sake not Modafinil! Modifilan is a brown algae...

[Guest guest]

Modifilan is a brand name. It is a specific kind of algae, mentioned

on the bottle. I discovered it this last summer by searching the net

for mercury detox protocols. I mentioned my positive results to the

group without any significant impact. Now I mentioned it again after

my positive experience was confirmed by Dr. Bormann with her cases.

She does not sell it. And I am just a customer since July.

[Guest guest]

-

I've read some interesting info on Modifilan. Is there a particular brand that

Dr Bormann recommended to you?

Kathy

Re: chelation and chemical detox

What I call intestinal mercury absorbers are substances that bind

mercury in the intestinal tract. They are not chelators which go in

the bloodstream. I have not scientifically researched their

effectiveness but these are the facts which I consider to be valid:

-Charcoal absorbs mercury (a number of references in usenet and

scientific publications. A merck product to bind mercury - not for

human use though).

-Chitosan absorbs mercury (usenet references of japanese research)

-Modifilan absorbs mercury. Modifilan worked wonderfully for me.

Also, Dr. Bormann at www.arrowheadhealthworks.com told me that in

her work with heavily toxic people it is one of the few things that

work really well. Needless to say I have absolutely no connection to

the company marketing it.

-Chlorella probably absorbs mercury and some doctors prescribe it

and support its use strongly. I decided not to use it because Andy

has a strong view against it - and I believe that he might be right.

-Metachel might absorb mercury. I tried it and I possibly got

negative side effects, but I am not really sure it was from it. As

most people here know, detox always has its ups and downs.

-According to Dr. of Arise and Shine, their bentonite shake

will absorb mercury. It is interesting to check 's mercury

removal protocol just for reference. It gives some interesting

views. Call their support line and they will give you the site.

I started to chelate after reading Andy's book, totaly believing in

his method. After a lot of ups and downs and trials with supplements

I decided to follow a different approach. I help my body remove

mercury and heal with its natural mechanisms.

I support my body with natural minerals,enzymes and antioxidants

from a lot of juices. I have an alkaline diet with as much vegetable

protein as I can. I use saunas. I use modifilan.

I monitor my hair elements every 2 months and I have gathered

valuable knowledge of how mercury behaves in my body. For the moment

it is obvious that mercury is moving and is being excreted. Also my

subjective symptoms from mercury are much less strong. I have more

energy and mental clarity.

If I feel and see in the hair tests that the above method does not

remove any more mercury I will turn back to Andy's chelation to

remove the rest.

(Greece)

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

> Dear Morria,

> I did not expect such a biased approach to my message. KEEP AN

> OPEN MIND!!!! Just check FIR saunas on the net.

this is a very odd comment for you to make,

since I did not say anything about FIR saunas one way or

another. I suggest you reread my post. Perhaps this is

also a language or comprehension issue?

> It is common

> knowledge that they help with heavy metal detox. Also, L. Ron

> Hubbard's protocol, which is based on saunas, has been extensively

> studied and has been found to reduce mercury levels effectively.

I did not comment in any way on anything related to this.

Go reread my post. This is a non sequitor -- it is not

related to anything I said.

>

> > > Many people have been cured from mercury by using infrared

> saunas.

> > > You just need to know what you are doing in terms of

> > remineralisation

> > > and supplementation with antioxidants and intestinal mercury

> > > absorbers. For many doctors FIR saunas are the golden standard

> for

> > > heavy metal detox. Andy is just not prepared to accept it

> openly.

> >

> > so does that mean he accepts it secretly? ha ha ha

> > I think that would be a first! He is generally pretty open

> > as far as I can tell.

>

> I am not a native English speaker - sorry for that. What I mean is

> that he does not want to accept it because he has done all this work

> without looking at other methods which are considered valid and

> effective.

It is " interesting " that you seem to know " why " Andy does not

accept this, just as you also know that I am " biased " and

" closed minded " in my response.

Actually, he has not " done all this work without looking at

other methods " . Andy writes frequently about " other methods " .

Or doesn't it " count " as " looking at other methods " if he

does not " endorse " the " other methods " ?

Again, it strikes me that you must be talking about a

" different Andy " .

> Yestrday, for example, I spoke to a practitioner in

> California, who is working with cancer patients and other serious

> illnesses and who uses FIR saunas for mercury detox along with

> modifilan as intestinal mercury absorber. She has used this protocol

> apparently very successfully and with monitoring of urine and sweat

> mercury content to evaluate the process. She is Dr.Bormann at

> www.arrowheadhealthworks.com

yes, I know her [from other lists] and think she is a swell person.

She does a lot of different things.

>

> > > In

> > > an older message, if I remember correctly, he has stated that 1

> hour

> > > of sauna is probably equivalent to the daily chelation protocol.

> >

> > yes-- that was in reference to " regular " saunas though.

>

> I know that and that is why I propose that FIR is probably much

> better.

Right, but YOUR post stated in a way that was confusing -- as

though perhaps ANDY meant FIR saunas, which he didn't

You were somehow quoting him as though he somehow supported

your point. I consider this " unkind " and I clarified the

point as to which saunas Andy was referring to. Any readers

who are unfamiliar with the distinction in Andy's opinions

have now read both of us state that Andy was referring to

REGULAR saunas.

> Possibly so much better that Andy should look at it more

> seriously. He suggested to somebody in the group to stay away of FIR

> saunas because he had seen people get bad reactions. Now tell me, is

> this scientific?

oh, don't start, you'll get Andy's lecture on " what science is " .

Surely you don't mean that the people with bad reactions should

not be brought up????

>Sauna usage has many parameters like time period,

> temperature, remineralisation, hydration... Did he research all

this?

>

>

> > > FIR

> > > is much better than a normal sauna, and combined with proper

> mineral

> > > supplementation (minerals are chelators too - Andy accepts this)

> >

> > hummm, where do you find that Andy thinks minerals are chelators?

> > I think you may be reading a different Andy?

>

>

> Just check page 87 of the book. I remembered that minerals are mild

> chelators. Andy mentions citrate as magnesium, calcium, potassium

> etc. He clearly states that they are chelators and that they reduce

> brain fog in some people.

you are correct-- he says that citrate is " barely " a chelating

agent. He does NOT say this about " minerals " in general on

page 87. Also consider the word " barely " .

--Moria

[Guest guest]

Dear Morria,

I believe that this exchange of views will not help this group

anymore. Anyone who reads the messages will realise our differences

and get the picture.

As far as citrate being " barely " a chelator, as Andy says, in my

opinion any supplement which reduces brain fog by chelation must be

worth trying in combination with other things.

In general, I definitely think that this group has been dominated

by Andy's views and protocol, which, although very valuable and

effective, is not the only way. He dissmisses anything else in an

unscientific way without having researched it and he makes

suggestions based on these views. Your argument about the need to

mention people who got bad reactions from FIR saunas is totally

biased. Andy has simply not researched this area enough. FIR sauna

based protocols could be the subject of another book in themselves.

By the same logic Andy's protocol could be dismissed because it can

create really bad reactions, especially if one is not extra careful.

And I am sure you know that.

Morria please be more polite with other peoples' contributions to

the group (your comment - are you reading another Andy? was really

ironic -I know Andy's book by heart). Everybody here tries to help

in good faith. I had been lurking for at least one year before I

felt I had to say something and this was when I really felt and

realised that this group should be aware of other methods which are

very probably as effective as Andy's if not more. You can definitely

dissagree publicly with me but please don't be ironic...

[Guest guest]

I have heard from many sources that saunas can be very helpful at

alleviating symptoms and probably for detox. Of course, one must

shower afterwards, replace electrolytes, etc.

It seams reasonable that, like exercise, one must be careful and use

this system with moderation. I used to feel tired and sick after

taking a hot shower, exercising or doing physical work. I am fairly

certain this is because of the mobilization of mercury.

While saunas and/or moderate exercise might be very helpful, I doubt

they will remove mercury from the brain. I don't think it makes a

difference if one uses FIR or other types of sauna -it's not go to

get inorganic mercury to cross the blood brain barrier. One must use

an appropriate chelator, like ALA, for this task.

Again, I think that sauna's can be helpful for detox and feeling

better. My question is, why is FIR better or worse than moderate

exercise or other forms of sauna?

-

[Guest guest]

hi,

An FIR sauna is very different to a normal sauna. Just take a look

in the net about the subject and I am sure you will be convinced. It

uses radiation which penetrates the skin and goes deep inside the

body. Basically the same radiation is used to locally detox and

remove inflamation in sports rehabilitation - and from my research

with friends who are athletes it works wonders for local injuries.

Of course it cannot remove mercury from the brain. But at least in

my case mercury is in my fat tissue. When I started losing fat and

changed my diet, hair mercury shot up and later aluminium also rose

above normal levels. My personal strategy is to continue with this

regime of juices, modifilan and some antioxidant supplementation

along with saunas (FIR from next week). When hair levels decrease to

normal I will start ALA to clean up the brain. I really believe it

sounds sensible to do a complete detox first and then go to a deeper

level with ALA. Of course I believe FIR saunas will be of help at

this final stage too. With proper remineralisation of course...

[Guest guest]

Hello ;

> I believe that this exchange of views will not help this group

> anymore.

Then why are you writing to me?

> Anyone who reads the messages will realise our differences

> and get the picture.

that is really funny. I don't think anyone would have any

idea what you are referring to. I sure don't anyhow.

> As far as citrate being " barely " a chelator, as Andy says, in my

> opinion any supplement which reduces brain fog by chelation must be

> worth trying in combination with other things.

well, okay, but it is also a non sequitor.

> In general, I definitely think that this group has been dominated

> by Andy's views and protocol, which, although very valuable and

> effective, is not the only way.

As he and everyone else is well aware. You may read my public

" statement " on this if you wish:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Mercury/files/Andy_dose_sched

> He dissmisses anything else in an

> unscientific way without having researched it and he makes

> suggestions based on these views.

Once again, I see you somehow know how much or how little

research Andy is doing. I believe you are actually incorrect

about this in many cases. Perhaps you would like to explain

your knowledge of Andy's research habits and history regarding

" other " methods of detox?

> Your argument about the need to

> mention people who got bad reactions from FIR saunas is totally

> biased.

Really? What is my " bias " ? If you are interested in having

a " polite " dialog you might refrain from such inferences.

In point of fact, I do actually think negative reactions

are important.

> Andy has simply not researched this area enough.

Again, if you wish to have a " polite " dialog, you might refrain

from such inferences.

> FIR sauna

> based protocols could be the subject of another book in themselves.

> By the same logic Andy's protocol could be dismissed because it can

> create really bad reactions, especially if one is not extra careful.

> And I am sure you know that.

No, I do not know that. As a matter of fact, I have collected

and indexed every " bad reaction " I've heard of........

but, since you have been reading the list for a year, I'm sure

you are already aware of this.

You are also misquoting me, which I do not appreciate. It is NOT

" by the same logic " .

> Morria please be more polite with other peoples' contributions to

> the group

I'm sorry you find my comments impolite, but I do not find them so.

I therefore do not plan to change my style of comment. If at

some time I find I am being impolite, I will certainly consider

changing.

> (your comment - are you reading another Andy? was really

> ironic -I know Andy's book by heart).

I was serious. I wanted to express the extent to which your

comment does not match Andy's behavior. I hope I was clear.

You may also want to get some guidance on the meaning of

" ironic " . It does not make sense to me as you have used it here,

but that is okay.

> Everybody here tries to help

> in good faith.

Thanks, I am a regular contributor--- glad you realize I am

trying to help in good faith.

> I had been lurking for at least one year before I

> felt I had to say something and this was when I really felt and

> realised that this group should be aware of other methods which are

> very probably as effective as Andy's if not more.

I didn't say anything about the method you wrote about.

But perhaps you've heard that before?

regards,

Moria

[Guest guest]

>

such a strong belief for her now that it is in all her

> books and she finally published a detailed sauna

> protocol.

A clear indication you need to find a different doctor or do it on

your own. No matter how well known she is.

Andy . . . . .. . . . . . . . .

[Guest guest]

> > He dissmisses anything else in an

> > unscientific way

Untrue. But then it doesn't appear you know what the word

" scientific " means so it seems pointless to debate it with you.

> > without having researched it

I do research them all in great detail before stating an opinion. I

can't help it that many people aren't adequately scientifically

trained to tell the difference between snake oil and chelators, and

when people ask relevant questions I do usually answer them in

adequate detail for even the informed layman to figure it out.

> > and he makes

> > suggestions based on these views.

Correct. I make suggestions based on legitimate scientific analysis

of available data (as opposed to marketing hype) and for the most part

these suggestions turn out to be sound.

I only make these explanations to people who appear to know what they

are talking about at whatever level they are talking - that is, ones

who use words properly and with relevant understanding, whether they

be complex scientific terminology or third grade vocabularly.

End of subject. And be nice to the other people on the list, too, if

you want to continue the debate.

Andy . . . . .