Re: Cinnamon: A spicy balm

[Guest guest]

> Anyone who has any input is welcome

> to let me know!

Amongst a number of other substances!

Similar effects have been reported

for cloves, bay leaves, turmeric,

onions, garlic, Korean ginseng,

flaxseed, fenugreek, curry, mustard

seeds, and coriander.

We might be able to get a similar

effect by rubbing two monkey bones

together while walking backwards at

a crossroads by full moon and

mumbling " cinnamon " 25 times with

our eyes shut.

In other words, I don't believe that

cinnamon is any better than snake

oil at reducing blood glucose.

[Guest guest]

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I tried that and just managed to trip while going backwards.

Les

We might be able to get a similar

effect by rubbing two monkey bones

together while walking backwards at

a crossroads by full moon and

mumbling " cinnamon " 25 times with

our eyes shut.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/30/2004 3:39:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, j459g@...

writes:

> We might be able to get a similar

> effect by rubbing two monkey bones

> together while walking backwards at

> a crossroads by full moon and

> mumbling " cinnamon " 25 times with

> our eyes shut.

>

> In other words, I don't believe that

> cinnamon is any better than snake

> oil at reducing blood glucose.

>

>

>

>

Well, , it may or may not be. It is just something to think about. My

husband said he was happy with anything I would make with connamon on it. I

have a really nice breakfast roll with fresh apples and cinnamon that he loves!

Hugs, marilyn

[Guest guest]

> Well, , it may or may not be.

I gusss you could say that about a

lot of things, Marilyn.

> My husband said he was happy with

> anything I would make with cinnamon

> on it.

Anything that makes somebody happy

is goooood! But the study was done

using capsules so I assume that

he wouldn't get to taste the

cinnamon that way.

> I have a really nice breakfast roll

> with fresh apples and cinnamon that

> he loves!

Have you tried taking half a

teaspoon of cinnamon powder in one

go? I reckon it would have to be

on something cooked, like boiling

the apples flavored with raisins

and then sprinkling half a tsp.

cinnamon powder over a plate of it.

An alternative might be to take

it in some kind of fruit tea.

We checked our cinammon yesterday

and it is pretty old; it has taken a

couple of years to get through a

small bottle.

My wife and I are going to try it

out with some fresh cinnamon but it

is a long-term deal - the study

showed an effect after 40 days so

it would have to show on the

quarterly HbA1c values, if at all.

I still feel that this is more like

voodoo than science but even voodoo

has been known to work sometimes.

I will let you know what happens -

but don't hold your breath!

Regards

Thornton

Pforzheim, Germany

[Guest guest]

> you don't seem to believe in

> natural remedies but some do

> work.

Faith is good but evidence is

better. I don't see any evidence

that cinnamon reduces long-term

blood glucose levels safely.

Some of the substances in cinnamon,

taken in large quantities, are

known to have toxic effects (other

reports of the same study carried

a warning about that).

I would like to be sure that, taken

regularly in smaller quantities

but over a very long period, they

do not have an effect that is just

as toxic, i.e. whether they

accumulate in the body or not.

I haven't yet seen any evidence

either of the safety of cinnamon

nor of its efficacy at 3-6 grams

(half to one full teaspoon) per day

long-term. The statement in the

journalist's story about the study

that the same effect was obtained

whatever was the dose does not

exactly inspire confidence.

My wife mentioned it today to her

physician (a diabetes specialist)

and he just grinned broadly.

> If all the products you mentioned

> are good for reducing blood sugar,

> then by all means use them in your

> daily cooking.

My wife has always used most of them

in her daily cooking. It is not a

matter of just using them (except

for faith healing) but of knowing

the minimum dose to produce the

required effect and whether that dose

is safe or not and how it compares

economically with other methods of

reducing blood glucose by a similar

amount.

There is a lot more to pharmacology

than just " asking the people in

India " , I reckon!

Regards

[Guest guest]

> There is a lot more to pharmacology than just " asking the people in

> India " , I reckon!

>

> Regards

>

>

What does that mean?

[Guest guest]

>> There is a lot more to

>> pharmacology than just " asking

>> the people in India " , I reckon!

>>

>> Regards

>>

> What does that mean?

You have to read the previous

messages, !

Joe (out of Europe), testifying

on the benefits of using cinnamon,

wrote (Message #1211 Tue 6/1/2004):

" Go ask the people of India about

it - it's widely drunk there. "

My point was that it doesn't matter

how many people drink it; that

doesn't tell us anything about

either the safe dose or the

effectiveness of the stuff at

lowering long-term blood glucose

levels. Joe was just using a

rhetorical trick to squash me!

How am I going to find out how

much the average inhabitant of

India takes daily and what it does

to his/her blood glucose?

It is not important but it does

illustrate how difficult it is to

know what to make of the latest

medical journalist's sensational

report.

[Guest guest]

> " Go ask the people of India about it - it's widely drunk there. "

>

> My point was that it doesn't matter how many people drink it; that

> doesn't tell us anything about either the safe dose or the

> effectiveness of the stuff at lowering long-term blood glucose

> levels.

Ok, I try to at least read every post - but I have heard great things

about cinnamon and such. I think Joe is right when he recommends whole

cinnamon sticks versus powder - what good could come from that? Now

that we are on the subject - what about sugar free cinnamon bread?

& T1

[Guest guest]

Sugar? You are actually recommending diabetics to consume something

with sugar in it? Sugar is POISON to us!

Re: [alldiabeticinternational] Re: Cinnamon: A spicy balm

There are lots of various recipes

>to make chai, but the basic ingredients are: black tea, milk, sugar,

and spices.

[Guest guest]

Cinnamon has been used for centuries as a spice/flavoring in food. If

it also helps the diabetes, so much the better.

Re: [alldiabeticinternational] Re: Cinnamon: A spicy balm

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I use cinnamon every day and I believe it does help regulate the blood

sugar,

but I'm no specialist. If you need scientific proof that cinnamon may

help

the diabetic, then by all means wait until your doctor recommends it. If

all

he could do was grin when you made the suggestion, you may have a long

wait.

My doctor is very open-minded about natural remedies and encourages me

to

carry on with my investigations. I am officially off all medication. If

cinnamon is indeed toxic in large amounts, then one must adapt the dose.

Cinnamon bun, anyone?

Joe

[Guest guest]

Hi, Bruce, been reading your responses to some of Marilyn's recipes, etc... like

this one ... where are you at? are you in the USA? and have you been to diabetes

Education Classes? I've done research on diabetes, been to the education

classes, etc...and never have I come across sugar being poison to us..I have

read where Doctors prior to the research and study of the disease would advise

their patients of staying away from sugar and they would be fine, they have

since primarily changed their tunes because of the studies that have been

done... it is sounding to me that someone somewhere has scared the stuffing out

of you...and convinced you that life as you know it is over because of the

diabetes... it isn't, it is all about portion control and learning what affects

us...

Carmen

Re: [alldiabeticinternational] Re: Cinnamon: A spicy balm

There are lots of various recipes

>to make chai, but the basic ingredients are: black tea, milk, sugar,

and spices.

[Guest guest]

And doesn't India have a VERY high rate of diabetes?

RE: [alldiabeticinternational] Re: Cinnamon: A spicy balm

Bruce,

that post was in context with the fact that Indians (as a people), drink

CHAI, a spicy tea often made with cinnamon. Of course diabetics should

not use sugar I drink black tea, milk and cinnamon with no sweetener.

Joe

[Guest guest]

And doesn't India have a VERY high rate of diabetes?

RE: [alldiabeticinternational] Re: Cinnamon: A spicy balm

Bruce,

that post was in context with the fact that Indians (as a people), drink

CHAI, a spicy tea often made with cinnamon. Of course diabetics should

not use sugar I drink black tea, milk and cinnamon with no sweetener.

Joe

[Guest guest]

And doesn't India have a VERY high rate of diabetes?

RE: [alldiabeticinternational] Re: Cinnamon: A spicy balm

Bruce,

that post was in context with the fact that Indians (as a people), drink

CHAI, a spicy tea often made with cinnamon. Of course diabetics should

not use sugar I drink black tea, milk and cinnamon with no sweetener.

Joe

[Guest guest]

Re: [alldiabeticinternational] Re: Cinnamon: A spicy balm

Hi, Bruce, been reading your responses to some of Marilyn's recipes,

etc... like this one ... where are you at? are you in the USA?

[, Bruce]

Yes

[, Bruce]

and have you been to diabetes Education Classes?

[, Bruce]

Yes

[, Bruce]

My doctors recommended to me the writings of Bernstein, M.D., a

cardiologist who is himself diabetic. He advises that carbohydrates

should be minimized from a diabetic's diet.

Remember that old Vaudeville joke? " 'Doctor, doctor! It hurts whenever

I do THIS.' 'Well, then DON'T DO THAT.' "

For us it becomes:

" Doctor, doctor, my blood sugar goes up whenever I eat sugars and

starches. "

" Well, then DON'T EAT SUGARS AND STARCHES. "

[, Bruce]

Re: [alldiabeticinternational] Re: Cinnamon: A spicy balm

There are lots of various recipes

>to make chai, but the basic ingredients are: black tea, milk, sugar,

and spices.

[Guest guest]

Re: [alldiabeticinternational] Re: Cinnamon: A spicy balm

Hi, Bruce, been reading your responses to some of Marilyn's recipes,

etc... like this one ... where are you at? are you in the USA?

[, Bruce]

Yes

[, Bruce]

and have you been to diabetes Education Classes?

[, Bruce]

Yes

[, Bruce]

My doctors recommended to me the writings of Bernstein, M.D., a

cardiologist who is himself diabetic. He advises that carbohydrates

should be minimized from a diabetic's diet.

Remember that old Vaudeville joke? " 'Doctor, doctor! It hurts whenever

I do THIS.' 'Well, then DON'T DO THAT.' "

For us it becomes:

" Doctor, doctor, my blood sugar goes up whenever I eat sugars and

starches. "

" Well, then DON'T EAT SUGARS AND STARCHES. "

[, Bruce]

Re: [alldiabeticinternational] Re: Cinnamon: A spicy balm

There are lots of various recipes

>to make chai, but the basic ingredients are: black tea, milk, sugar,

and spices.

[Guest guest]

No, I didn't say that they got diabetes from drinking chai! Nor even

from soft drinks, for that matter.

There is an Indian herbal preparation, gymnea silvestre, which some

people swear by for diabetes. The lady who runs the Indian grocery

store here says that by drinking it she has been able to get off her

meds for diabetes. However, both my father and I have tried it and

don't find that it does anything one way or the other---and it tastes

horrible.

RE: [alldiabeticinternational] Re: Cinnamon: A spicy balm

>From drinking spicy teas? More likely from drinking pepsi & coke!

[Guest guest]

Cinnamon I have also heard helps reduce suagr leevls, I have heard

all crazy whacky herbel remedies for diabetes in the part of world

called India/Pakistan. One of them is to boil and egg

and leave buried under salt for forty days, once three such eggs are

eaten it is claimed that the diabetes is fully controlled, We cannto

believe every herbel remedy till we have some scinetific evidence.

> No, I didn't say that they got diabetes from drinking chai! Nor

even

> from soft drinks, for that matter.

>

> There is an Indian herbal preparation, gymnea silvestre, which some

> people swear by for diabetes. The lady who runs the Indian grocery

> store here says that by drinking it she has been able to get off

her

> meds for diabetes. However, both my father and I have tried it and

> don't find that it does anything one way or the other---and it

tastes

> horrible.

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[Guest guest]

Yucky!!!!! I do it!!! If You Eat Them...lol

Hugs!!! Debbie

RE: [alldiabeticinternational] Re: Cinnamon: A spicy balm

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[Guest guest]

Yucky!!!!! I do it!!! If You Eat Them...lol

Hugs!!! Debbie

RE: [alldiabeticinternational] Re: Cinnamon: A spicy balm

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[Guest guest]

Yucky!!!!! I do it!!! If You Eat Them...lol

Hugs!!! Debbie

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[Guest guest]

I never said that GS was totally useless; I don't think that the lady at the

store was fibbing when she said it worked for her; I just said that it didn't

work for me or for my father.

RE: [alldiabeticinternational] Re: Cinnamon: A spicy balm

Bruce,

Here's some info for diabetics including Gymnea silvestre.

[Guest guest]

Oh, it doesn't SMELL bad, just the taste. If it had worked I would have

put up with it. But it didn't.

I use cinnamon and peppermint a lot in cooking; even if they don't do

anything for the diabetes, they at least taste good.

RE: [alldiabeticinternational] Re: Cinnamon: A spicy balm

Bruce,

different strokes for different folks. If the stuff smells as bad as you

say,

who would want to take it anyway? I'm going with the cinnamon and

the peppermint tea for the time being. They seem to be doing the job.

Joe

[Guest guest]

Oh, it doesn't SMELL bad, just the taste. If it had worked I would have

put up with it. But it didn't.

I use cinnamon and peppermint a lot in cooking; even if they don't do

anything for the diabetes, they at least taste good.

RE: [alldiabeticinternational] Re: Cinnamon: A spicy balm

Bruce,

different strokes for different folks. If the stuff smells as bad as you

say,

who would want to take it anyway? I'm going with the cinnamon and

the peppermint tea for the time being. They seem to be doing the job.

Joe

[Guest guest]

Oh, it doesn't SMELL bad, just the taste. If it had worked I would have

put up with it. But it didn't.

I use cinnamon and peppermint a lot in cooking; even if they don't do

anything for the diabetes, they at least taste good.

RE: [alldiabeticinternational] Re: Cinnamon: A spicy balm

Bruce,

different strokes for different folks. If the stuff smells as bad as you

say,

who would want to take it anyway? I'm going with the cinnamon and

the peppermint tea for the time being. They seem to be doing the job.

Joe