Re: Cinnamon: A spicy balm

[Guest guest]

> Sugar? You are actually

> recommending diabetics to

> consume something

> with sugar in it? Sugar

> is POISON to us!

Like a lot of other things, sugar

won't do any harm in small quantities.

The same applies to potatoes, rice

and bread. As part of a balanced

nutrition all these foods can be

eaten by diabetics in moderation.

[Guest guest]

> Sugar? You are actually

> recommending diabetics to

> consume something

> with sugar in it? Sugar

> is POISON to us!

Like a lot of other things, sugar

won't do any harm in small quantities.

The same applies to potatoes, rice

and bread. As part of a balanced

nutrition all these foods can be

eaten by diabetics in moderation.

[Guest guest]

> Sugar? You are actually

> recommending diabetics to

> consume something

> with sugar in it? Sugar

> is POISON to us!

Like a lot of other things, sugar

won't do any harm in small quantities.

The same applies to potatoes, rice

and bread. As part of a balanced

nutrition all these foods can be

eaten by diabetics in moderation.

[Guest guest]

Neither does arsenic, but I'm not about to deliberately ingest it if I can help

it.

[alldiabeticinternational] Re: Cinnamon: A spicy balm

Like a lot of other things, sugar

won't do any harm in small quantities.

[Guest guest]

Neither does arsenic, but I'm not about to deliberately ingest it if I can help

it.

[alldiabeticinternational] Re: Cinnamon: A spicy balm

Like a lot of other things, sugar

won't do any harm in small quantities.

[Guest guest]

Neither does arsenic, but I'm not about to deliberately ingest it if I can help

it.

[alldiabeticinternational] Re: Cinnamon: A spicy balm

Like a lot of other things, sugar

won't do any harm in small quantities.

[Guest guest]

> Neither does arsenic, but I'm

> not about to deliberately ingest

> it if I can help it.

But if you live in the US you legally

ingest up to 0.01mg/liter arsenic

every time you drink a glass of water

(and not too long ago you were legally

ingesting up to 0.05mg/liter arsenic

in your drinking water without it

doing you any harm.

It is a matter of dose. It is even

possible to ingest too much water.

And to compare sugar with arsenic is

unreasonable. Arsenic can kill you,

sugar can't.

You take in a little arsenic with

the food you eat every day (especially

in fish and seafood) and by eating

food that has been cooked in water

containing arsenic.

You breathe it in from automobile

exhaust gases in the air and in

cigarette smoke or from a wood fire

or even from wood that has been

impregnated to preserve it. The

arsenic goes straight into your

bloodstream! The good news is that

it does not accumulate in your body,

it passes out in your urine!

Sugar is used by the body and serves

a useful purpose. Like a lot of

things, the secret is not to overdo

it.

[Guest guest]

> Neither does arsenic, but I'm

> not about to deliberately ingest

> it if I can help it.

But if you live in the US you legally

ingest up to 0.01mg/liter arsenic

every time you drink a glass of water

(and not too long ago you were legally

ingesting up to 0.05mg/liter arsenic

in your drinking water without it

doing you any harm.

It is a matter of dose. It is even

possible to ingest too much water.

And to compare sugar with arsenic is

unreasonable. Arsenic can kill you,

sugar can't.

You take in a little arsenic with

the food you eat every day (especially

in fish and seafood) and by eating

food that has been cooked in water

containing arsenic.

You breathe it in from automobile

exhaust gases in the air and in

cigarette smoke or from a wood fire

or even from wood that has been

impregnated to preserve it. The

arsenic goes straight into your

bloodstream! The good news is that

it does not accumulate in your body,

it passes out in your urine!

Sugar is used by the body and serves

a useful purpose. Like a lot of

things, the secret is not to overdo

it.

[Guest guest]

> Neither does arsenic, but I'm

> not about to deliberately ingest

> it if I can help it.

But if you live in the US you legally

ingest up to 0.01mg/liter arsenic

every time you drink a glass of water

(and not too long ago you were legally

ingesting up to 0.05mg/liter arsenic

in your drinking water without it

doing you any harm.

It is a matter of dose. It is even

possible to ingest too much water.

And to compare sugar with arsenic is

unreasonable. Arsenic can kill you,

sugar can't.

You take in a little arsenic with

the food you eat every day (especially

in fish and seafood) and by eating

food that has been cooked in water

containing arsenic.

You breathe it in from automobile

exhaust gases in the air and in

cigarette smoke or from a wood fire

or even from wood that has been

impregnated to preserve it. The

arsenic goes straight into your

bloodstream! The good news is that

it does not accumulate in your body,

it passes out in your urine!

Sugar is used by the body and serves

a useful purpose. Like a lot of

things, the secret is not to overdo

it.

[Guest guest]

It can if you have certain medical conditions; like the one this list is

dedicated to. Perhaps not all at once, but a diabetic who routinely eats

substantial amounts of sugar will die from it, eventually, and unpleasantly.

[alldiabeticinternational] Re: Cinnamon: A spicy balm

And to compare sugar with arsenic is

unreasonable. Arsenic can kill you,

sugar can't.

[Guest guest]

> Perhaps not all at once, but a

> diabetic who routinely eats

> substantial amounts of sugar

> will die from it, eventually,

> and unpleasantly.

Bruce, if by " substantial " you mean

" too much " then that statement

obviously applies to a great many

things we eat.

I never tried it but I bet that

it is safe to say that if I

" routinely eat substantial amounts "

(i.e. too much) of the Atkins Baking

Mix that you recommended, it might

eventually give me some bad moments!

Anyway, could you tell me where I

can read a reliable description

of the way in which sugar in small

amounts (e.g. in the quantities

given in Marilyn's recipes) could

eventually kill me?

I do eat some things with a little

sugar in them from time to time and

it hasn't done me any harm so far.

Regards

[Guest guest]

I live in West Virginia, which has the highest per capita occurance of diabetes

of any US State. Every day I see people who have diabetes and think that they

can eat substantial amounts of sugar--a and a 'little bit' here and there can

add up rather quickly. It isn't a pretty site. Horrible sores that won't heal,

limbs amputated, blindness, inability to walk, premature senility--the list goes

on and on.

There's some sugar in almost everything one eats, except perhaps meat; thus, one

must be very careful in adding sugar.

[alldiabeticinternational] Re: Cinnamon: A spicy balm

Anyway, could you tell me where I

can read a reliable description

of the way in which sugar in small

amounts (e.g. in the quantities

given in Marilyn's recipes) could

eventually kill me?

[Guest guest]

> It isn't a pretty sight.

> Horrible sores that won't heal,

> limbs amputated, blindness,

> inability to walk, premature

> senility--the list goes on and

> on.

Jeez, that sounds really bad, Bruce!

But those must be cases of

*untreated* diabetes because that

is unnecessary these days with

basic medical attention.

I had heard that the health care

services in the US were in bad shape

but I didn't know they were that

bad! One thing is certain, though:

it is not the result of eating a l'il

ol' sugar - that must be the result

of a total lack of medical care!

> There's some sugar in almost

> everything one eats, except perhaps

> meat; thus, one must be very careful

> in adding sugar.

OK, but how much sugar are those

people adding? That was what I was

asking you. Do you have any figures

on the average daily sugar consumption

of the people in the condition you

describe?

Regards

[Guest guest]

[alldiabeticinternational] Re: Cinnamon: A spicy balm

> There's some sugar in almost

> everything one eats, except perhaps

> meat; thus, one must be very careful

> in adding sugar.

OK, but how much sugar are those

people adding? That was what I was

asking you. Do you have any figures

on the average daily sugar consumption

of the people in the condition you

describe?

Regards

[, Bruce]

Since I don't live in their housholds, I don't know for sure. However, from

observing their grocery carts (this is where I see them mostly) it looks as

though they are eating fairly high carbohydrate diets--lots of bread, potatoes,

pasta, rice, and other high sugar/high starch foods. I submit that if they had,

as soon as they were diagnosed, cut their carbohydrate intake back severely,

they would not have gotten to that state; I would even venture to speculate that

even now if they would do so that their conditions might improve.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/2/2004 7:37:48 AM Pacific Standard Time,

naveedjami@... writes:

> Cinnamon I have also heard helps reduce suagr leevls, I have heard

> all crazy whacky herbel remedies for diabetes in the part of world

> called India/Pakistan. One of them is to boil and egg

> and leave buried under salt for forty days, once three such eggs are

> eaten it is claimed that the diabetes is fully controlled, We cannto

> believe every herbel remedy till we have some scinetific evidence.

>

>

>

I for one, truly hope no one does this. Sounds as bad as " Balut " spelling

may be wrong, but is a custom in the Philippines. My daughters brothers do it.

YUCK! LOL Marilyn

[Guest guest]

> ... from observing their grocery

> carts (this is where I see them

> mostly) it looks as though they

> are eating fairly high carbohydrate

> diets--lots of bread, potatoes,

> pasta, rice, and other high sugar/

> high starch foods.

I see what you are getting at but I

don't consider that to be a good basis

for quarreling with Marilyn's recipes

(which is where this discussion

started, if you remember!).

A normal carbohydrate diet (50-60

energy% CH) is the preferred diet for

diabetics in Europe and does not have

the results you described nor were

Marilyn's recipes particularly heavy

in sugar or starch, in my opinion.

The grocery carts you describe are

possibly those of poor people.

Not everybody can afford a meat-heavy

diet and most of the world's

population has to obtain far more

than half of its energy requirements

from starchy foods.

A high carbohydrate diet would be

70-80 energy% CH and would lead to other

complaints, not just diabetes - but

there is no way you could determine

that by eye while passing a grocery

cart - I bet that not even a trained

nutritionist could do that!

> I submit that if they had, as soon

> as they were diagnosed, cut their

> carbohydrate intake back severely,

> they would not have gotten to that

> state; ...

That does not follow. The aim is to

eat a balanced diet with a good

variety of natural foods. Even if

they carried on eating junk food

after diagnosis but were getting

good medical attention they would

not have gotten into that condition.

But don't the two go together? No

money -> cheapest foods (pizza

and popcorn -> no medical insurance

-> inadequate treatment -> early

onset of complications?

Regards

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/2/2004 6:47:12 AM Pacific Standard Time,

carmen33@... writes:

> Hi, Bruce, been reading your responses to some of Marilyn's recipes, etc...

> like this one ... where are you at? are you in the USA? and have you been to

> diabetes Education Classes? I've done research on diabetes, been to the

> education classes, etc...and never have I come across sugar being poison to

us..I

> have read where Doctors prior to the research and study of the disease would

> advise their patients of staying away from sugar and they would be fine,

> they have since primarily changed their tunes because of the studies that have

> been done... it is sounding to me that someone somewhere has scared the

> stuffing out of you...and convinced you that life as you know it is over

because of

> the diabetes... it isn't, it is all about portion control and learning what

> affects us...

>

> Carmen

>

Hi Carm, lolol I just said the same thing to him. This is exactly what I

believe has happened to him. Someone told him sugar is going to kill you and he

took it literally. We all know we cannot set out to over sweeten ourselves

(I am already sweet enough dh says!) but to use moderation and make use of the

new products available to us. Like you, 45 carbs is a reasonable meal for me.

Sometimes I go less, sometimes over. I do not get out a measuring spoon.

This is my life, not a science lab! Love ya, marilyn

[Guest guest]

" , Bruce " wrote:

> ... from observing their grocery

> carts (this is where I see them

> mostly) it looks as though they

> are eating fairly high carbohydrate

> diets--lots of bread, potatoes,

> pasta, rice, and other high sugar/

> high starch foods.

As much as I hate the idea of continuing this thread, I am curious of knowing

how you can tell by a person's grocery cart contents, that they are diabetic and

not using good or what was it said, common sense in their eating patterns?

Personally, being a wife and there by having a husband (another person) in my

household, I have to purchase and prepare other foods besides just meat. What I

have to do, is use common sense, to know that yes, I can have potato's I just

can't eat 5 servings.. in order to get my daily servings of veggies, there isn't

all that much that I have that doesn't have any carbs in it, there for once

again, I have to use my common sense, and the training (ie: learning) that I

recieved from my personal research and teaching from a licensed Dietitian to

know the content carbs per serving of each item that I am considering

consuming..

Carmen

T-2

7-19-02

[Guest guest]

Well, when someone has all the signs of advanced diabetes complications,

and is talking very loudly to his/her companion about his/her 'sugar'

and the drugs s/he is taking, and is loading his/her cart with (as

below) high-carbohydrate foods, or is sitting in a cafe noshing down on

(say) mashed potatoes and gravy or a jelly doughnut, I don't think that

it is an illogical conclusion.

Re: [alldiabeticinternational] Re: Cinnamon: A spicy balm

" , Bruce " wrote:

> ... from observing their grocery

> carts (this is where I see them

> mostly) it looks as though they

> are eating fairly high carbohydrate

> diets--lots of bread, potatoes,

> pasta, rice, and other high sugar/

> high starch foods.

As much as I hate the idea of continuing this thread, I am curious of

knowing how you can tell by a person's grocery cart contents, that they

are diabetic and not using good or what was it said, common sense

in their eating patterns?

[Guest guest]

Pizza is hardly a cheap food. And it is possible to eat low-carb on a budget.

I'm hardly rich, and I manage.

[alldiabeticinternational] Re: Cinnamon: A spicy balm

But don't the two go together? No

money -> cheapest foods (pizza

and popcorn -> no medical insurance

-> inadequate treatment -> early

onset of complications?

Regards

[Guest guest]

there would be the answer if you have over heard a conversation, I was under the

wrong impression, sorry about that, I had assumed that you had made the

assumption based on their physical appearance and their shopping cart..

Carmen

Re: [alldiabeticinternational] Re: Cinnamon: A spicy balm

" , Bruce " wrote:

> ... from observing their grocery

> carts (this is where I see them

> mostly) it looks as though they

> are eating fairly high carbohydrate

> diets--lots of bread, potatoes,

> pasta, rice, and other high sugar/

> high starch foods.

As much as I hate the idea of continuing this thread, I am curious of

knowing how you can tell by a person's grocery cart contents, that they

are diabetic and not using good or what was it said, common sense

in their eating patterns?