Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 Thanks Moria, Yep, for sure I will chelate in ten days with ALA alone. You interpreted that right. i think i was getting stomach problems with the DMSA. (I was so happy to have gotten it without script too.....) After day one the DMSA was hitting me hard, with regurg, stomach ache and then the inevitable " behavior " that seemed ridiculous to me the following day--off the DMSA and still on the ALA. I also have mind problems on sodium bisulfites. I will talk about something as if I am " off. " Sodium bisulfites really make me sick, with vomiting, and other problems. Once I got some in a salad, vomited all night and asked for a psychiatrist in the hospital because I thought I was crazy. He sort of talked to me and left and then I stayed on IV's for three days. Then I was released and the doctor (called from another state) and said " I think you might have had an allergic reaction to something.....) Hey that was back in 1981 or 82 and eating out is definitely " at my own risk. " I don't know what to test for vis a vis sulfites or sulfur problems. As I told Andy I can eat broccoli and other high sulfur foods, eggs, etc. but not sodium bi-sulfites. He said I think--that these are two different detox mechanisms. Cannot remember. So, we should get our cysteine levels, right? Why? Where? Anyone? Thanks, SJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 > I should know the answer to this question. I think the answer is to stay on > the ALA, but I want to make sure I am chelating all the metals that I have, > including lead. SJ ALA doesn't chelate lead. DMSA does. I don't think DMPS does, but I'm not certain. I take it you have high lead also? best wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2002 Report Share Posted December 9, 2002 Hello everyone, I have taken DMSA every 4 hours for 3 days. This is day 4 and I am not taking anything, but I feel a bit sickish and I have a sore back and neck. Does anyone else have this experience? Does it matter? I had thought of going down to 50mg, but I don't know where to get 50mg capsules. I'd be glad of any feedback. Elspeth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2003 Report Share Posted January 3, 2003 I just completed my fifth round of DMSA.... While taking the first four rounds, I noticed improvement in my symptoms while taking the DSMA. This time, however, I felt worse while taking the DMSA and noticed that one pupil was slightly larger than the other. Is this normal? Does this mean the DMSA is now starting to pull mercury out of my brain? Thanks, Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 is. Notice that these are two different issues. One issue is how long to wait, after amalgam removal, before using ALA. That's 3 months, and the reason is to make sure that the mercury that you were exposed to on removal has settled into the tissues of the body, and that some equilibrium has been reached between the body and brain. Before this point, you can use DMSA and DMPS, because they won't have the effect of moving the higher body concentration of mercury into the brain. After this point, when equilibrium is reached, you can start using ALA. The other issue is how to deal with lead poisoning. For that you need DMSA on a schedule of 3 days a month for years. The reason is that the lead is in the bones (rather than the soft tissues, as in the case of mercury) and takes a long time to leech out. So, little by little, you clean out the bloodstream, which allows more to slowly leech out. Notice that DMSA will not take lead out of the brain. Andy has said that ALA _might_ take some lead out of the brain. I take that to mean that there is very little data. Dave. Posted by: " is " alexis.atrekkie22@... alexis.atrekkie22@...?Subject=%20Re%3ADMSA> atrekkie22 http://profiles.yahoo.com/atrekkie22> Sun Mar 9, 2008 1:52 pm (PDT) Hello Im sure i have a lead issue as i used to lick windowsills when i was a kid. How long should i use DMSA post extraction before adding in ALA? is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 is. Notice that these are two different issues. One issue is how long to wait, after amalgam removal, before using ALA. That's 3 months, and the reason is to make sure that the mercury that you were exposed to on removal has settled into the tissues of the body, and that some equilibrium has been reached between the body and brain. Before this point, you can use DMSA and DMPS, because they won't have the effect of moving the higher body concentration of mercury into the brain. After this point, when equilibrium is reached, you can start using ALA. The other issue is how to deal with lead poisoning. For that you need DMSA on a schedule of 3 days a month for years. The reason is that the lead is in the bones (rather than the soft tissues, as in the case of mercury) and takes a long time to leech out. So, little by little, you clean out the bloodstream, which allows more to slowly leech out. Notice that DMSA will not take lead out of the brain. Andy has said that ALA _might_ take some lead out of the brain. I take that to mean that there is very little data. Dave. Posted by: " is " alexis.atrekkie22@... alexis.atrekkie22@...?Subject=%20Re%3ADMSA> atrekkie22 http://profiles.yahoo.com/atrekkie22> Sun Mar 9, 2008 1:52 pm (PDT) Hello Im sure i have a lead issue as i used to lick windowsills when i was a kid. How long should i use DMSA post extraction before adding in ALA? is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 > > > The other issue is how to deal with lead poisoning. For that you need > > DMSA on a schedule of 3 days a month for years. The reason is that the > > lead is in the bones (rather than the soft tissues, as in the case of > > mercury) and takes a long time to leech out. So, little by little, you > > clean out the bloodstream, which allows more to slowly leech out. > > 3 days a month? That doesnt seem like its often enough to me. Assuming that you also have mercury and other metals to chelate out you would want to chelate more than 3 days a month in the first couple of years or so (people often do rounds every weekend or every second weekend). Once you are satisfied that you have chelated most of the _other_ metals out, then you chelate more just to be sure, then you would want to continue to chelate about once a month for several years to get the lead as it turns over from bone. J > > > > Notice that DMSA will not take lead out of the brain. Andy has said > > that ALA _might_ take some lead out of the brain. I take that to mean > > that there is very little data. > > Ok thanks > > > > Dave. > > > > > > > is > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 > > > The other issue is how to deal with lead poisoning. For that you need > > DMSA on a schedule of 3 days a month for years. The reason is that the > > lead is in the bones (rather than the soft tissues, as in the case of > > mercury) and takes a long time to leech out. So, little by little, you > > clean out the bloodstream, which allows more to slowly leech out. > > 3 days a month? That doesnt seem like its often enough to me. Assuming that you also have mercury and other metals to chelate out you would want to chelate more than 3 days a month in the first couple of years or so (people often do rounds every weekend or every second weekend). Once you are satisfied that you have chelated most of the _other_ metals out, then you chelate more just to be sure, then you would want to continue to chelate about once a month for several years to get the lead as it turns over from bone. J > > > > Notice that DMSA will not take lead out of the brain. Andy has said > > that ALA _might_ take some lead out of the brain. I take that to mean > > that there is very little data. > > Ok thanks > > > > Dave. > > > > > > > is > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 Hello > > Assuming that you also have mercury and other metals to chelate out > you would want to chelate more than 3 days a month in the first couple > of years or so (people often do rounds every weekend or every second > weekend). > > Once you are satisfied that you have chelated most of the _other_ > metals out, then you chelate more just to be sure, then you would want > to continue to chelate about once a month for several years to get the > lead as it turns over from bone. ok thanks for clearing that up . > > > J -- is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 Hello > > Assuming that you also have mercury and other metals to chelate out > you would want to chelate more than 3 days a month in the first couple > of years or so (people often do rounds every weekend or every second > weekend). > > Once you are satisfied that you have chelated most of the _other_ > metals out, then you chelate more just to be sure, then you would want > to continue to chelate about once a month for several years to get the > lead as it turns over from bone. ok thanks for clearing that up . > > > J -- is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 is, I remember seeing posts by Andy in the archives on lead metabolism, and lead in the brain. I don't know if it changes how you chelate, but he has said that it changes the chelation progress profile from what is typical for mercury. (It becomes similar to those who are very mercury toxic). For example: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/82169.html Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 is, I remember seeing posts by Andy in the archives on lead metabolism, and lead in the brain. I don't know if it changes how you chelate, but he has said that it changes the chelation progress profile from what is typical for mercury. (It becomes similar to those who are very mercury toxic). For example: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/82169.html Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Posted by: " is " alexis.atrekkie22@... alexis.atrekkie22@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20DMSA> atrekkie22 http://profiles.yahoo.com/atrekkie22> Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:46 am (PDT) hello On 10/03/2008, Dave - AM&FDC Posts mercury@... > wrote: > >The other issue is how to deal with lead poisoning. For that you need > >DMSA on a schedule of 3 days a month for years. The reason is that the > >lead is in the bones (rather than the soft tissues, as in the case of > >mercury) and takes a long time to leech out. So, little by little, you > >clean out the bloodstream, which allows more to slowly leech out. >3 days a month? That doesnt seem like its often enough to me. I know, but it won't go any faster. Once you use the DMSA for 3 days, the lead in the blood has been removed. It then takes a couple of weeks for more to leech out from the bones. Of course, since you're mercury toxic too, more DMSA chelation can help with that, though it would be more helpful to spend that time with ALA (assuming the initial 3 months post amalgam removal have passed). Also, DMSA does have a potential and rare (but quite dangerous) effect on neutrophils, and I tend to be cautious, so I don't use it more than I have to. (I'm both mercury and lead toxic too. The lead is coming down slowly ... I just hope the ALA can get it out of the brain.) Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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