Guest guest Posted November 20, 2002 Report Share Posted November 20, 2002 > did anybody try an IV glutathione, what was your reaction No, I didn't try it because it was so easy to find lots and lots of people who got incredibly horribly permanently worse from it. I continue to receive such reports every couple of weeks on average. There is some discussion on the autism mercury list showing how using glutathione IV creates an unphysiological state that is dangerous beacuse it mobilizes and redistributes heavy metals, and discussing how to achieve the same benefits using safe interventions. Andy . . .. . . . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 It's been a year now since I had the last of my amalgams removed. My ND gave me an IV of Super Minerals and Vitamins with a separate IV of Glutathione the day before oral surgery to repair my dissolved jaw bone and extraction of some teeth. Two days after the surgery, I felt as if I could leap tall buildings with a single bound and my mind was equally as strong. For the next two weeks, I felt unbelievable better than I had ever felt in my life - really. Upon celebrating the news with my ND, he explained that it had been due to the Glutathione IV resulting in my request for more please. The next three EDTA IV's were followed by 10 cc of Glutathione but the wonderful feeling never returned. Mari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 I have had repeated glutathione IVs....while using only ozone saunas, for months with clearly wonderful benefits from the glutathione....in the later months I did a few rounds of DMSA and sporatic glutathione IVs....and again observed benefits from the IVs. I have been on three mercury email lists for two years come January and I haven't heard of anyone reporting a bad reaction to a glutathione IV....perhaps I missed them? jaen At 7:41 AM +0000 11/21/02, andrewhallcutler wrote: > > did anybody try an IV glutathione, what was your reaction > >No, I didn't try it because it was so easy to find lots and lots of >people who got incredibly horribly permanently worse from it. I >continue to receive such reports every couple of weeks on average. > >There is some discussion on the autism mercury list showing how using >glutathione IV creates an unphysiological state that is dangerous >beacuse it mobilizes and redistributes heavy metals, and discussing >how to achieve the same benefits using safe interventions. > >Andy . . .. . . . . . . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 > I have been on three mercury email lists for two years come January > and I haven't heard of anyone reporting a bad reaction to a > glutathione IV....perhaps I missed them? I heard from so many parents of autistic kids about bad reactions with iv glutathione... It's amazing (for me) that people are still using that, when there are safer ways to raise glutathione levels. It's my impression that kids who got bad reactions from this are having something that looks like an allergic reaction (histamine). Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 This is definitely a question to discuss with your doctor. Elaine believed that the body could only recognize and use its own glutathione. She believed this because the studies done to date show the same result. While transdermal glutathione raises glutathione levels in the body, the body will not recognize it as available glutathione for use. Some doctors, though, claim it helps stimulate glutathione production. Meanwhile, some recent studies clearly show the best way, supplement wise, to stimulate glutathione production is by increasing vitamin c in the diet...It has the same effect in raising levels of natural glutathione within the body. There is also a rate limiting nutrient, an amino acid, that the body uses in the manufacture of its own glutathione..NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine), as well as small amounts of ALA in the form of foods like extra-virgin olive oil. Reducing toxins in the diet also helps to free up the liver as well, healing wise. While we had basically non-existant levels of glutathione, we are getting increasing levels from frequent, very small dosing of Ester-C. Has your doctor run an amino-acid profile? Summer bjhhyoung pianogarden1@...> wrote: Would Elaine approve of supplementing children with glutatione along with the SCD? It appears from her writings that she believed that your body can only use it's own glut. If you can/should supplement, how much (6 year old) and in what form? ~Jill For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 This is definitely a question to discuss with your doctor. Elaine believed that the body could only recognize and use its own glutathione. She believed this because the studies done to date show the same result. While transdermal glutathione raises glutathione levels in the body, the body will not recognize it as available glutathione for use. Some doctors, though, claim it helps stimulate glutathione production. Meanwhile, some recent studies clearly show the best way, supplement wise, to stimulate glutathione production is by increasing vitamin c in the diet...It has the same effect in raising levels of natural glutathione within the body. There is also a rate limiting nutrient, an amino acid, that the body uses in the manufacture of its own glutathione..NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine), as well as small amounts of ALA in the form of foods like extra-virgin olive oil. Reducing toxins in the diet also helps to free up the liver as well, healing wise. While we had basically non-existant levels of glutathione, we are getting increasing levels from frequent, very small dosing of Ester-C. Has your doctor run an amino-acid profile? Summer bjhhyoung pianogarden1@...> wrote: Would Elaine approve of supplementing children with glutatione along with the SCD? It appears from her writings that she believed that your body can only use it's own glut. If you can/should supplement, how much (6 year old) and in what form? ~Jill For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 This is definitely a question to discuss with your doctor. Elaine believed that the body could only recognize and use its own glutathione. She believed this because the studies done to date show the same result. While transdermal glutathione raises glutathione levels in the body, the body will not recognize it as available glutathione for use. Some doctors, though, claim it helps stimulate glutathione production. Meanwhile, some recent studies clearly show the best way, supplement wise, to stimulate glutathione production is by increasing vitamin c in the diet...It has the same effect in raising levels of natural glutathione within the body. There is also a rate limiting nutrient, an amino acid, that the body uses in the manufacture of its own glutathione..NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine), as well as small amounts of ALA in the form of foods like extra-virgin olive oil. Reducing toxins in the diet also helps to free up the liver as well, healing wise. While we had basically non-existant levels of glutathione, we are getting increasing levels from frequent, very small dosing of Ester-C. Has your doctor run an amino-acid profile? Summer bjhhyoung pianogarden1@...> wrote: Would Elaine approve of supplementing children with glutatione along with the SCD? It appears from her writings that she believed that your body can only use it's own glut. If you can/should supplement, how much (6 year old) and in what form? ~Jill For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 > > I have some research I will dig up that says that fresh, organicdill helps > your body to make it's own glutathione. Maybe we should all make some > homemade dill pickles...? Would this be SCD legal? Jenn & Kali 9 months > SCD Elaine said the Kosher style dill pickles with just salt and pickling spices are legal. In Canada, Strubs and Moishe's comply. THE STRUB'S FAMILY HOMESTYLE BRINE RECIPE For those of you who love pickles and want to try your hand at pickling at home. (L= litre = 33.8 oz.) Utensils Needed: 12 quart pot 1L mason jars (clean well, use new lids) 1L measuring cup and measuring spoons Ingredients Needed: Salt, Garlic, Dill White Distilled Vinegar (6% acid), Fresh Pickling Cucumbers (length to diameter ratio of 3:1) Pickle Brine Add 60ml of salt + 250ml of vinegar to 1L of water. Mix until the salt is dissolved. Packing Instructions Add 4 cloves of peeled or chopped garlic Add chopped dill (2 tablespoons) Pack cucumbers tightly into the jar. (whole or sliced) Add brine mixture to jars and fill to 1/4 inch from the rim of the jar. Close cap tightly and place jars upright into the pot. (Do not stack jars) Fill pot with tap water to cover bottles and bring to a slow boil. Continue boiling for 5 minutes then remove pot from burner. Begin adding tap water slowly so the pot overflows slowly. Adding water too quickly may crack the jars! Continue until the jars are cool enough to hold against your face. Store in a dark cool place. Your pickles will be ready to eat the next day. Carol F. SCD 6 years, celiac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 > > I have some research I will dig up that says that fresh, organicdill helps > your body to make it's own glutathione. Maybe we should all make some > homemade dill pickles...? Would this be SCD legal? Jenn & Kali 9 months > SCD Elaine said the Kosher style dill pickles with just salt and pickling spices are legal. In Canada, Strubs and Moishe's comply. THE STRUB'S FAMILY HOMESTYLE BRINE RECIPE For those of you who love pickles and want to try your hand at pickling at home. (L= litre = 33.8 oz.) Utensils Needed: 12 quart pot 1L mason jars (clean well, use new lids) 1L measuring cup and measuring spoons Ingredients Needed: Salt, Garlic, Dill White Distilled Vinegar (6% acid), Fresh Pickling Cucumbers (length to diameter ratio of 3:1) Pickle Brine Add 60ml of salt + 250ml of vinegar to 1L of water. Mix until the salt is dissolved. Packing Instructions Add 4 cloves of peeled or chopped garlic Add chopped dill (2 tablespoons) Pack cucumbers tightly into the jar. (whole or sliced) Add brine mixture to jars and fill to 1/4 inch from the rim of the jar. Close cap tightly and place jars upright into the pot. (Do not stack jars) Fill pot with tap water to cover bottles and bring to a slow boil. Continue boiling for 5 minutes then remove pot from burner. Begin adding tap water slowly so the pot overflows slowly. Adding water too quickly may crack the jars! Continue until the jars are cool enough to hold against your face. Store in a dark cool place. Your pickles will be ready to eat the next day. Carol F. SCD 6 years, celiac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Dr. Mady Hornig's study (from Columbia in NYC) showed that if you give a mouse that has the genetic problem that causes the mouse not to make enough glutathione, and give it thimerasol equivalent to the amount an infant received in vacinnes, it will develop autistic symptoms. BUT if you give the mouse glutathione FIRST then give it the thimerasol, it will not develop autistic symptoms and will apparently process the glutathione appropriately. BUT this is PRIOR to the exposure. So Elaines theory could be consistent with this. Anyhow, this is exciting and I can't wait to try the dill. I hope because of that angle it isn't OT! All I know is that the transdermal SEEMS to help my son. I'm the first to say it could be a placebo effect or a coincidence. HOwever I do wonder if we all react differently based on our genetic situation with glutathione. You can still get poisoned if you don't have the genetic issue , but you would need a bigger exposure to the poison I woudl think. I happen to believe my family has the glutathione issue for several reasons that again are OT. This study will help lead you to others: http://www.ewg.org/reports/autism/part4.php At this point children can be tested to see what their situation is with glutathione, and I've seen reports on the autism boards that these children do seem to be helped by supplemental. Feel free to email me if you want more details on this piece, as this part of the discussion would seem to be OT. kylesmom@... _____ From: pecanbread [mailto:pecanbread ] On Behalf Of Gertrude Snicklegrove Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:57 AM To: pecanbread Subject: Re: Glutathione This is definitely a question to discuss with your doctor. Elaine believed that the body could only recognize and use its own glutathione. She believed this because the studies done to date show the same result. While transdermal glutathione raises glutathione levels in the body, the body will not recognize it as available glutathione for use. Some doctors, though, claim it helps stimulate glutathione production. Meanwhile, some recent studies clearly show the best way, supplement wise, to stimulate glutathione production is by increasing vitamin c in the diet...It has the same effect in raising levels of natural glutathione within the body. There is also a rate limiting nutrient, an amino acid, that the body uses in the manufacture of its own glutathione..NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine), as well as small amounts of ALA in the form of foods like extra-virgin olive oil. Reducing toxins in the diet also helps to free up the liver as well, healing wise. While we had basically non-existant levels of glutathione, we are getting increasing levels from frequent, very small dosing of Ester-C. Has your doctor run an amino-acid profile? Summer bjhhyoung pianogarden1@...> wrote: Would Elaine approve of supplementing children with glutatione along with the SCD? It appears from her writings that she believed that your body can only use it's own glut. If you can/should supplement, how much (6 year old) and in what form? ~Jill For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Interesting results of the study, I believe this to be true! However, what the study does not show, is any benefit to direct glutathione supplementation in detoxifying the body, beyond the free radicals just ingected into the blood. The relationship of this study is very casual, however, it is another confirming aspect of low glutathione levels and vaccinations causing autism. Remember too, glutathione levels go down, if the child is taking tylenol, or even by using household chemicals. It is all the same to the body, body has to process and rid itself of all that junk, from mercury to lead to red #40 to dishwash powder. Glutathione is needed for it all. I do believe genetically it is possibly to pass down the predisposition to make lower glutathione levels, especially in lieu of parental vaccination and own history. However, many things can bring a baby or child to the same point. So, I like this study, shows a strong relationship, but as far as supplemental glutathione, while benefit is shown against the ingection of these free radicals into the blood, it doesn't help from the perspective of glutathione needed by the body to unload previous toxin exposure that is being stored in the nervous system and elsewhere in the body. That is my own opinion. More studies need to be done, because as of right now, supplemental glutathione use is just a theory. You can access many studies from using google, and places like Pubmed and the like. The autism research institute is an excellent place to get started with research. They carry an abundance of research, on all sunjects. Here is a link to what Dr. Hass says about glutathione and how to increase body production. He bases this approach from what the research says. As a parent, if one feels that something like glutathione supplementation is helping, there is no research study that can counter that intuition, and believe me, I am not here to argue otherwise. My posts are my own opinion and what I know from my own experience and studies only. Each of us has to do what we think is best. I do see the value in Elaine's viewpoint and from the study conducted in relationship to the liver working better as the gut heals, and stopping that Vicious Heavy Metal Cycle that leaky gut keeps going. One thing I noticed, while some people on SCD are using glutathione supplements, most of the people using the supplements are not on SCD, for what its worth. Now, in reading this article by Dr. Haas, if someone has low glutathione, why not increase the body's ability to make it, whether the cause is genetic or environmental (or most likely, a combo of both). Glutathione is made by the body with amino acids. If those amino acids are in short supply do to leaky gut and/or poor diet, targeted supplementation may help stimulate production more so than the glutathione supplement. We do have the glutathione issue as well. I moved from the US to overseas when I was a little girl, and had a ton of vaccinations, that left me speech impaired, among other things. Basically, ASD. Summer Carolyn Weissberg kylesmom@...> wrote: Dr. Mady Hornig's study (from Columbia in NYC) showed that if you give a mouse that has the genetic problem that causes the mouse not to make enough glutathione, and give it thimerasol equivalent to the amount an infant received in vacinnes, it will develop autistic symptoms. BUT if you give the mouse glutathione FIRST then give it the thimerasol, it will not develop autistic symptoms and will apparently process the glutathione appropriately. BUT this is PRIOR to the exposure. So Elaines theory could be consistent with this. Anyhow, this is exciting and I can't wait to try the dill. I hope because of that angle it isn't OT! All I know is that the transdermal SEEMS to help my son. I'm the first to say it could be a placebo effect or a coincidence. HOwever I do wonder if we all react differently based on our genetic situation with glutathione. You can still get poisoned if you don't have the genetic issue , but you would need a bigger exposure to the poison I woudl think. I happen to believe my family has the glutathione issue for several reasons that again are OT. This study will help lead you to others: http://www.ewg.org/reports/autism/part4.php At this point children can be tested to see what their situation is with glutathione, and I've seen reports on the autism boards that these children do seem to be helped by supplemental. Feel free to email me if you want more details on this piece, as this part of the discussion would seem to be OT. kylesmom@... _____ From: pecanbread [mailto:pecanbread ] On Behalf Of Gertrude Snicklegrove Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:57 AM To: pecanbread Subject: Re: Glutathione This is definitely a question to discuss with your doctor. Elaine believed that the body could only recognize and use its own glutathione. She believed this because the studies done to date show the same result. While transdermal glutathione raises glutathione levels in the body, the body will not recognize it as available glutathione for use. Some doctors, though, claim it helps stimulate glutathione production. Meanwhile, some recent studies clearly show the best way, supplement wise, to stimulate glutathione production is by increasing vitamin c in the diet...It has the same effect in raising levels of natural glutathione within the body. There is also a rate limiting nutrient, an amino acid, that the body uses in the manufacture of its own glutathione..NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine), as well as small amounts of ALA in the form of foods like extra-virgin olive oil. Reducing toxins in the diet also helps to free up the liver as well, healing wise. While we had basically non-existant levels of glutathione, we are getting increasing levels from frequent, very small dosing of Ester-C. Has your doctor run an amino-acid profile? Summer bjhhyoung pianogarden1@...> wrote: Would Elaine approve of supplementing children with glutatione along with the SCD? It appears from her writings that she believed that your body can only use it's own glut. If you can/should supplement, how much (6 year old) and in what form? ~Jill For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Interesting results of the study, I believe this to be true! However, what the study does not show, is any benefit to direct glutathione supplementation in detoxifying the body, beyond the free radicals just ingected into the blood. The relationship of this study is very casual, however, it is another confirming aspect of low glutathione levels and vaccinations causing autism. Remember too, glutathione levels go down, if the child is taking tylenol, or even by using household chemicals. It is all the same to the body, body has to process and rid itself of all that junk, from mercury to lead to red #40 to dishwash powder. Glutathione is needed for it all. I do believe genetically it is possibly to pass down the predisposition to make lower glutathione levels, especially in lieu of parental vaccination and own history. However, many things can bring a baby or child to the same point. So, I like this study, shows a strong relationship, but as far as supplemental glutathione, while benefit is shown against the ingection of these free radicals into the blood, it doesn't help from the perspective of glutathione needed by the body to unload previous toxin exposure that is being stored in the nervous system and elsewhere in the body. That is my own opinion. More studies need to be done, because as of right now, supplemental glutathione use is just a theory. You can access many studies from using google, and places like Pubmed and the like. The autism research institute is an excellent place to get started with research. They carry an abundance of research, on all sunjects. Here is a link to what Dr. Hass says about glutathione and how to increase body production. He bases this approach from what the research says. As a parent, if one feels that something like glutathione supplementation is helping, there is no research study that can counter that intuition, and believe me, I am not here to argue otherwise. My posts are my own opinion and what I know from my own experience and studies only. Each of us has to do what we think is best. I do see the value in Elaine's viewpoint and from the study conducted in relationship to the liver working better as the gut heals, and stopping that Vicious Heavy Metal Cycle that leaky gut keeps going. One thing I noticed, while some people on SCD are using glutathione supplements, most of the people using the supplements are not on SCD, for what its worth. Now, in reading this article by Dr. Haas, if someone has low glutathione, why not increase the body's ability to make it, whether the cause is genetic or environmental (or most likely, a combo of both). Glutathione is made by the body with amino acids. If those amino acids are in short supply do to leaky gut and/or poor diet, targeted supplementation may help stimulate production more so than the glutathione supplement. We do have the glutathione issue as well. I moved from the US to overseas when I was a little girl, and had a ton of vaccinations, that left me speech impaired, among other things. Basically, ASD. Summer Carolyn Weissberg kylesmom@...> wrote: Dr. Mady Hornig's study (from Columbia in NYC) showed that if you give a mouse that has the genetic problem that causes the mouse not to make enough glutathione, and give it thimerasol equivalent to the amount an infant received in vacinnes, it will develop autistic symptoms. BUT if you give the mouse glutathione FIRST then give it the thimerasol, it will not develop autistic symptoms and will apparently process the glutathione appropriately. BUT this is PRIOR to the exposure. So Elaines theory could be consistent with this. Anyhow, this is exciting and I can't wait to try the dill. I hope because of that angle it isn't OT! All I know is that the transdermal SEEMS to help my son. I'm the first to say it could be a placebo effect or a coincidence. HOwever I do wonder if we all react differently based on our genetic situation with glutathione. You can still get poisoned if you don't have the genetic issue , but you would need a bigger exposure to the poison I woudl think. I happen to believe my family has the glutathione issue for several reasons that again are OT. This study will help lead you to others: http://www.ewg.org/reports/autism/part4.php At this point children can be tested to see what their situation is with glutathione, and I've seen reports on the autism boards that these children do seem to be helped by supplemental. Feel free to email me if you want more details on this piece, as this part of the discussion would seem to be OT. kylesmom@... _____ From: pecanbread [mailto:pecanbread ] On Behalf Of Gertrude Snicklegrove Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:57 AM To: pecanbread Subject: Re: Glutathione This is definitely a question to discuss with your doctor. Elaine believed that the body could only recognize and use its own glutathione. She believed this because the studies done to date show the same result. While transdermal glutathione raises glutathione levels in the body, the body will not recognize it as available glutathione for use. Some doctors, though, claim it helps stimulate glutathione production. Meanwhile, some recent studies clearly show the best way, supplement wise, to stimulate glutathione production is by increasing vitamin c in the diet...It has the same effect in raising levels of natural glutathione within the body. There is also a rate limiting nutrient, an amino acid, that the body uses in the manufacture of its own glutathione..NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine), as well as small amounts of ALA in the form of foods like extra-virgin olive oil. Reducing toxins in the diet also helps to free up the liver as well, healing wise. While we had basically non-existant levels of glutathione, we are getting increasing levels from frequent, very small dosing of Ester-C. Has your doctor run an amino-acid profile? Summer bjhhyoung pianogarden1@...> wrote: Would Elaine approve of supplementing children with glutatione along with the SCD? It appears from her writings that she believed that your body can only use it's own glut. If you can/should supplement, how much (6 year old) and in what form? ~Jill For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Interesting results of the study, I believe this to be true! However, what the study does not show, is any benefit to direct glutathione supplementation in detoxifying the body, beyond the free radicals just ingected into the blood. The relationship of this study is very casual, however, it is another confirming aspect of low glutathione levels and vaccinations causing autism. Remember too, glutathione levels go down, if the child is taking tylenol, or even by using household chemicals. It is all the same to the body, body has to process and rid itself of all that junk, from mercury to lead to red #40 to dishwash powder. Glutathione is needed for it all. I do believe genetically it is possibly to pass down the predisposition to make lower glutathione levels, especially in lieu of parental vaccination and own history. However, many things can bring a baby or child to the same point. So, I like this study, shows a strong relationship, but as far as supplemental glutathione, while benefit is shown against the ingection of these free radicals into the blood, it doesn't help from the perspective of glutathione needed by the body to unload previous toxin exposure that is being stored in the nervous system and elsewhere in the body. That is my own opinion. More studies need to be done, because as of right now, supplemental glutathione use is just a theory. You can access many studies from using google, and places like Pubmed and the like. The autism research institute is an excellent place to get started with research. They carry an abundance of research, on all sunjects. Here is a link to what Dr. Hass says about glutathione and how to increase body production. He bases this approach from what the research says. As a parent, if one feels that something like glutathione supplementation is helping, there is no research study that can counter that intuition, and believe me, I am not here to argue otherwise. My posts are my own opinion and what I know from my own experience and studies only. Each of us has to do what we think is best. I do see the value in Elaine's viewpoint and from the study conducted in relationship to the liver working better as the gut heals, and stopping that Vicious Heavy Metal Cycle that leaky gut keeps going. One thing I noticed, while some people on SCD are using glutathione supplements, most of the people using the supplements are not on SCD, for what its worth. Now, in reading this article by Dr. Haas, if someone has low glutathione, why not increase the body's ability to make it, whether the cause is genetic or environmental (or most likely, a combo of both). Glutathione is made by the body with amino acids. If those amino acids are in short supply do to leaky gut and/or poor diet, targeted supplementation may help stimulate production more so than the glutathione supplement. We do have the glutathione issue as well. I moved from the US to overseas when I was a little girl, and had a ton of vaccinations, that left me speech impaired, among other things. Basically, ASD. Summer Carolyn Weissberg kylesmom@...> wrote: Dr. Mady Hornig's study (from Columbia in NYC) showed that if you give a mouse that has the genetic problem that causes the mouse not to make enough glutathione, and give it thimerasol equivalent to the amount an infant received in vacinnes, it will develop autistic symptoms. BUT if you give the mouse glutathione FIRST then give it the thimerasol, it will not develop autistic symptoms and will apparently process the glutathione appropriately. BUT this is PRIOR to the exposure. So Elaines theory could be consistent with this. Anyhow, this is exciting and I can't wait to try the dill. I hope because of that angle it isn't OT! All I know is that the transdermal SEEMS to help my son. I'm the first to say it could be a placebo effect or a coincidence. HOwever I do wonder if we all react differently based on our genetic situation with glutathione. You can still get poisoned if you don't have the genetic issue , but you would need a bigger exposure to the poison I woudl think. I happen to believe my family has the glutathione issue for several reasons that again are OT. This study will help lead you to others: http://www.ewg.org/reports/autism/part4.php At this point children can be tested to see what their situation is with glutathione, and I've seen reports on the autism boards that these children do seem to be helped by supplemental. Feel free to email me if you want more details on this piece, as this part of the discussion would seem to be OT. kylesmom@... _____ From: pecanbread [mailto:pecanbread ] On Behalf Of Gertrude Snicklegrove Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:57 AM To: pecanbread Subject: Re: Glutathione This is definitely a question to discuss with your doctor. Elaine believed that the body could only recognize and use its own glutathione. She believed this because the studies done to date show the same result. While transdermal glutathione raises glutathione levels in the body, the body will not recognize it as available glutathione for use. Some doctors, though, claim it helps stimulate glutathione production. Meanwhile, some recent studies clearly show the best way, supplement wise, to stimulate glutathione production is by increasing vitamin c in the diet...It has the same effect in raising levels of natural glutathione within the body. There is also a rate limiting nutrient, an amino acid, that the body uses in the manufacture of its own glutathione..NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine), as well as small amounts of ALA in the form of foods like extra-virgin olive oil. Reducing toxins in the diet also helps to free up the liver as well, healing wise. While we had basically non-existant levels of glutathione, we are getting increasing levels from frequent, very small dosing of Ester-C. Has your doctor run an amino-acid profile? Summer bjhhyoung pianogarden1@...> wrote: Would Elaine approve of supplementing children with glutatione along with the SCD? It appears from her writings that she believed that your body can only use it's own glut. If you can/should supplement, how much (6 year old) and in what form? ~Jill For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Hi Jenn, Yes, homemmade dill pickles are legal. I have a cupboard full - made with Elaine's recipe. Sheila, SCD 61 mos, 22 yrs UC mom of and > I have some research I will dig up that says that fresh, organicdill helps > your body to make it's own glutathione. Maybe we should all make some > homemade dill pickles...? Would this be SCD legal? Jenn & Kali 9 months > SCD > Re: Glutathione > > > > This is definitely a question to discuss with your doctor. > > > > Elaine believed that the body could only recognize and use its own > glutathione. She believed this because the studies done to date show the > same result. > > > > While transdermal glutathione raises glutathione levels in the body, the > body will not recognize it as available glutathione for use. Some doctors, > though, claim it helps stimulate glutathione production. > > > > Meanwhile, some recent studies clearly show the best way, supplement > wise, to stimulate glutathione production is by increasing vitamin c in the > diet...It has the same effect in raising levels of natural glutathione > within the body. > > > > There is also a rate limiting nutrient, an amino acid, that the body > uses in the manufacture of its own glutathione..NAC (N-Acetyl- Cysteine), as > well as small amounts of ALA in the form of foods like extra- virgin olive > oil. > > > > Reducing toxins in the diet also helps to free up the liver as well, > healing wise. > > > > While we had basically non-existant levels of glutathione, we are > getting increasing levels from frequent, very small dosing of Ester-C. > > > > Has your doctor run an amino-acid profile? > > > > Summer > > > > bjhhyoung wrote: > > Would Elaine approve of supplementing children with glutatione along > > with the SCD? It appears from her writings that she believed that > > your body can only use it's own glut. If you can/should supplement, > > how much (6 year old) and in what form? ~Jill > > > > > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following > websites: > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > > and > > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Hi Jenn, Yes, homemmade dill pickles are legal. I have a cupboard full - made with Elaine's recipe. Sheila, SCD 61 mos, 22 yrs UC mom of and > I have some research I will dig up that says that fresh, organicdill helps > your body to make it's own glutathione. Maybe we should all make some > homemade dill pickles...? Would this be SCD legal? Jenn & Kali 9 months > SCD > Re: Glutathione > > > > This is definitely a question to discuss with your doctor. > > > > Elaine believed that the body could only recognize and use its own > glutathione. She believed this because the studies done to date show the > same result. > > > > While transdermal glutathione raises glutathione levels in the body, the > body will not recognize it as available glutathione for use. Some doctors, > though, claim it helps stimulate glutathione production. > > > > Meanwhile, some recent studies clearly show the best way, supplement > wise, to stimulate glutathione production is by increasing vitamin c in the > diet...It has the same effect in raising levels of natural glutathione > within the body. > > > > There is also a rate limiting nutrient, an amino acid, that the body > uses in the manufacture of its own glutathione..NAC (N-Acetyl- Cysteine), as > well as small amounts of ALA in the form of foods like extra- virgin olive > oil. > > > > Reducing toxins in the diet also helps to free up the liver as well, > healing wise. > > > > While we had basically non-existant levels of glutathione, we are > getting increasing levels from frequent, very small dosing of Ester-C. > > > > Has your doctor run an amino-acid profile? > > > > Summer > > > > bjhhyoung wrote: > > Would Elaine approve of supplementing children with glutatione along > > with the SCD? It appears from her writings that she believed that > > your body can only use it's own glut. If you can/should supplement, > > how much (6 year old) and in what form? ~Jill > > > > > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following > websites: > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > > and > > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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