Guest guest Posted March 28, 2000 Report Share Posted March 28, 2000 Well we are back, unfortunately not with a lot of answers. BJ has some sort of bacteria infection going on. He is on Flagyl for 2 weeks. I know someone has mentioned this before, any info? If he doesn't show some improvement in 2 weeks then he is going to go back on Prednisone at high dose. When I mentioned before about his stools and him saying that they burned, well they really did. I mentioned to the doctors about how when he stools, he gets these bumps all over where the poop touches and he says it burns. Well the acid level is really high in his stools. This seemed to start again with the Neocate so the doctors are coming up with a new plan since it seems the acidity level is too high in the Neocate for him but it is the only formula he will drink. Dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 BJ, my thoughts are still scrambled but...if you are really low income, you could apply for housing assistance, adult public assistance, food stamps and medicaid. Medicaid pays for everything not covered by Medicare, the prescription insurance policy monthly premium and the donut hole. I paid $11 prescription copay in January and after that I was fully covered in everything for the rest of the year. Margaret 62 Anchorage, Alaska Pneumonitis 97, PH 06, COPD, PF, respiratory & heart failure 08 I enjoy traveling, photography, gardening, sewing, home decorating, playing with my toys & classical music aka Grammie Goose To: Breathe-Support Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 1:48:41 PMSubject: Re: BJ You are welcome. BJ Re: Social Security disability> >> To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com> >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 7:31 PM> >>> >> I understand the process to receive the _disability_ status> >> can be a lengthy one. For all of you who have attained this> >> status (based on restriction in your lungs) have you had to> >> meet with Social Security staff each year on the anniversary> >> to renew your status. I would think that once they made> >> their medical decision based on your lungs having> >> dropped below an acceptable level, they know your lungs are> >> not apt to turn around and improve but being a government> >> agency, I find I can't assume anything. What have been your> >> experiences?> >> > >> Mike> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------> >>> >>> >> No virus found in this incoming message.> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00> >>> >> > >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------> >> >> > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Jack, Good morning! I'm getting ready to leave my hotel this morning but this caught my eye. The two homes that I've lived in since being on oxygen both have gas. In NY we had gas heat, hot water and cooked with gas. In NC we have gas hot water, a gas stove and a gas fireplace (the fireplace is not open, it's behind glass. While it may not be ideal, I it's quite as dangerous as you think. I'm cautious but I can't move nor can I change all these systems out for different even if I wanted to. The thought of asking my mother to cook on an electric stove....well it just does not bear thinking about. I know I'm not the only one on the board who has gas in their home. Now in fairness I'm talking about natural gas, not propane. Remember the explosion danger is from the gas not the oxygen. Oxygen is not explosive it merely fuels an existing fire. Beth Moderator Fibrotic NSIP 06/06 Dermatomyositis 11/08 To: Breathe-Support Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:40:52 AMSubject: Re: BJ Beverly Joy, your oxygen provider is very right when stating that you shouldn't be using gas with oxygen in the house. It is very dangerous and a huge explosion could result, even from the pilot light. In one of my elderly housing projects, which in this case has both hot water and heat provided with propane, I removed the hot water heater and replaced it with electric. The propane heat was discontined and replaced with electric. I did this because the new tenant was on oxygen 24/7 and I could not sleep at night knowing the possibility of a catastrophe. If there is any possible way for you to discontinue the use of gas, please do so, if not for yourself, do it for me so I can sleep. You are not an "old lady" at 70. You are a lady who just happens to have 70 years of experience and wisdom. As I have so widely advertised, I am a man who just happens to have 80 years of experience and jokes. No wisdom here. In reality, I don't feel any differently than I did at 70, or 60, or 50, except that I am no longer embarrassed when I make an ass of myself. And no body dares to contradict me. Jack79/IPF - UIP/dx06/05 Maine From: Beverley Joy <sparrow4 (AT) localnet (DOT) com>To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. comSent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:51:35 PMSubject: Re: BJ My income is just above the poverty level. That means that I am not eligible for anything other that what I am eligible for simply because I am old. I get Medicare and a prescription drug plan. I have to pay for both plus another insurance plan that pays most of what they don't on the medicine. What they don't pay on the prescription plan is a lot and that is all mine to pay for. I have decided to be happy with what I have. They are letting me get meals on wheels for awhile because I was way below the poverty level last year and I don't drive in the winter. think that is ridiculous. I thought that anyone 65 or older could get the meals if they paid for them. I am partly getting it because I have a gas stove and my oxygen provider said that I shouldn't be cooking on it.. The meals aren't very good. I wish that I felt more like cooking but I just eat quick prepared foods if I have to cook for myself. I guess I must have confused a few people with my lack of knowledge. Thank God I am an old lady who knows how to use the internet. Beverley Joy, 70, IPF, 1-09, Idaho Re: Social Security disability> >> To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com> >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 7:31 PM> >>> >> I understand the process to receive the _disability_ status> >> can be a lengthy one. For all of you who have attained this> >> status (based on restriction in your lungs) have you had to> >> meet with Social Security staff each year on the anniversary> >> to renew your status. I would think that once they made> >> their medical decision based on your lungs having> >> dropped below an acceptable level, they know your lungs are> >> not apt to turn around and improve but being a government> >> agency, I find I can't assume anything. What have been your> >> experiences?> >> > >> Mike> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------> >>> >>> >> No virus found in this incoming message.> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00> >>> >> > >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------> >> >> > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Jack I don't understand the danger with gas hot water heaters or gas heat and oxygen. I know the danger with a gas cooktop. But the danger is the oxygen and a flame. I don't understand how the flame from a hot water heater or gas heat is going to get in contact with the oxygen. I have not read a warning against gas heat or hot water before. Now, i know you shouldn't be the one to go relight a pilot or otherwise work on the unit. But generally what I have read is a safe distance of 5-6 feet from any flame or source of sparks. > > >> > > >> From: Mango man mangomaninparadise@ ... > > >> Subject: Re: Social Security disability > > >> To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com > > >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 7:31 PM > > >> > > >> I understand the process to receive the _disability_ status > > >> can be a lengthy one. For all of you who have attained this > > >> status (based on restriction in your lungs) have you had to > > >> meet with Social Security staff each year on the anniversary > > >> to renew your status. I would think that once they made > > >> their medical decision based on your lungs having > > >> dropped below an acceptable level, they know your lungs are > > >> not apt to turn around and improve but being a government > > >> agency, I find I can't assume anything. What have been your > > >> experiences? > > >> > > >> Mike > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ > > >> > > >> > > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00 > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00 > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Bruce, It is the same theory as storing extra tanks in a closet. They all leak ever so slightly and can combust. I feel sure with as much 02 that I have in this house we would be in serious trouble if we had any gas appliances.. but some just need to try it. Not me.. Love & Prayers, PeggyFlorida, IPF/UIP 2004"I believe that friends are quiet angels who lift us to our feet, when our wings have trouble remembering how to fly." JackI don't understand the danger with gas hot water heaters or gas heat andoxygen. I know the danger with a gas cooktop. But the danger is theoxygen and a flame. I don't understand how the flame from a hot waterheater or gas heat is going to get in contact with the oxygen. I havenot read a warning against gas heat or hot water before. Now, i know youshouldn't be the one to go relight a pilot or otherwise work on theunit. But generally what I have read is a safe distance of 5-6 feet fromany flame or source of sparks.> > >>> > >> From: Mango man mangomaninparadise@ ...> > >> Subject: Re: Social Security disability> > >> To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com> > >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 7:31 PM> > >>> > >> I understand the process to receive the _disability_ status> > >> can be a lengthy one. For all of you who have attained this> > >> status (based on restriction in your lungs) have you had to> > >> meet with Social Security staff each year on the anniversary> > >> to renew your status. I would think that once they made> > >> their medical decision based on your lungs having> > >> dropped below an acceptable level, they know your lungs are> > >> not apt to turn around and improve but being a government> > >> agency, I find I can't assume anything. What have been your> > >> experiences?> > >>> > >> Mike> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------------------ ------> > >>> > >>> > >> No virus found in this incoming message.> > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date:03/06/09 07:20:00> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------------------ ------> > >> > >> > > No virus found in this incoming message.> > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date:03/06/09 07:20:00> > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Peggy I still don't see how a gas heating system would come into play....just color me dumb and slow today. I absolutely see how a gas over or range would be dangerous. Even my electric countertop grills carry some danger as does an electric range, but most of us have a necessity to use them. In our house hunting we did say no gas cooktop or over. The house we are moving into does have gas heat and hot water as do the vast majority of homes in this area. > > > >> > > > >> From: Mango man mangomaninparadise@ ... > > > >> Subject: Re: Social Security disability > > > >> To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com > > > >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 7:31 PM > > > >> > > > >> I understand the process to receive the _disability_ status > > > >> can be a lengthy one. For all of you who have attained this > > > >> status (based on restriction in your lungs) have you had to > > > >> meet with Social Security staff each year on the anniversary > > > >> to renew your status. I would think that once they made > > > >> their medical decision based on your lungs having > > > >> dropped below an acceptable level, they know your lungs are > > > >> not apt to turn around and improve but being a government > > > >> agency, I find I can't assume anything. What have been your > > > >> experiences? > > > >> > > > >> Mike > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > --------- ------ > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > > > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: > 03/06/09 07:20:00 > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: > 03/06/09 07:20:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Well, I would call the fire department and ask about 02 in your home with gas hot water.. I know they should have the correct answers for you. Love & Prayers, PeggyFlorida, IPF/UIP 2004"I believe that friends are quiet angels who lift us to our feet, when our wings have trouble remembering how to fly." PeggyI still don't see how a gas heating system would come into play....justcolor me dumb and slow today. I absolutely see how a gas over or rangewould be dangerous. Even my electric countertop grills carry some dangeras does an electric range, but most of us have a necessity to use them.In our house hunting we did say no gas cooktop or over. The house we aremoving into does have gas heat and hot water as do the vast majority ofhomes in this area.> > > >>> > > >> From: Mango man mangomaninparadise@ ...> > > >> Subject: Re: Social Security disability> > > >> To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com> > > >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 7:31 PM> > > >>> > > >> I understand the process to receive the _disability_ status> > > >> can be a lengthy one. For all of you who have attained this> > > >> status (based on restriction in your lungs) have you had to> > > >> meet with Social Security staff each year on the anniversary> > > >> to renew your status. I would think that once they made> > > >> their medical decision based on your lungs having> > > >> dropped below an acceptable level, they know your lungs are> > > >> not apt to turn around and improve but being a government> > > >> agency, I find I can't assume anything. What have been your> > > >> experiences?> > > >>> > > >> Mike> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> --------- ------> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> No virus found in this incoming message.> > > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > > >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - ReleaseDate:> 03/06/09 07:20:00> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> --------- ------> > > >> > > >> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > > > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date:> 03/06/09 07:20:00> > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 BJ... You and I are about in the same place. Although there are two of us, our income is just above the poverty level as well . Rx are paid for (a %) because of our ins. plan. We already talked about falling in the donut hole! I am surprised about MOW... I'm guessing each senior center must 'make their own rules'. Here the qualification is not being able to shop or cook. We were on MOW when my husband had two knee surgeries 2 years ago and we needed help while he was down and doing rehab (here at home). We were asked to pay what we can and of course we gladly did. Lucky us, the food here is very good. Even local merchants go to the center for lunch just because it's so good and costs so little. Life gets pretty edgy at our ages doesn't it. Keep on keepin' on BJ. ;o) MamaSher; 70, IPF 3-06, OR. NasturtiumsDon't fret about tomorrow, God is already there! Re: Social Security disability> >> To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com> >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 7:31 PM> >>> >> I understand the process to receive the _disability_ status> >> can be a lengthy one. For all of you who have attained this> >> status (based on restriction in your lungs) have you had to> >> meet with Social Security staff each year on the anniversary> >> to renew your status. I would think that once they made> >> their medical decision based on your lungs having> >> dropped below an acceptable level, they know your lungs are> >> not apt to turn around and improve but being a government> >> agency, I find I can't assume anything. What have been your> >> experiences?> >> > >> Mike> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------> >>> >>> >> No virus found in this incoming message.> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00> >>> >> > >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------> >> >> > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 You sound like a very good landlord. I only have gas for my kitchen range but that is the worst place to have it. I would change it to electric but I am planning on putting my house up for sale as soon as the snow melts. The low temperatures here are still in the single digits and teens so that may be awhile. It is suppose to warm up next week after another snowstorm this weekend. I seem to go from the furnace to the air conditioner in one day so hopefully it will be gone soon. You sound like a fun person. My sense of humor is slipping from being around people who don't have very good ones. It makes life so much more fun. BJ Re: Social Security disability> >> To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com> >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 7:31 PM> >>> >> I understand the process to receive the _disability_ status> >> can be a lengthy one. For all of you who have attained this> >> status (based on restriction in your lungs) have you had to> >> meet with Social Security staff each year on the anniversary> >> to renew your status. I would think that once they made> >> their medical decision based on your lungs having> >> dropped below an acceptable level, they know your lungs are> >> not apt to turn around and improve but being a government> >> agency, I find I can't assume anything. What have been your> >> experiences?> >> > >> Mike> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------> >>> >>> >> No virus found in this incoming message.> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00> >>> >> > >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------> >> >> > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 I'm not sure what the difference is between natural gas and propane but I have propane. Beverleey Joy Re: Social Security disability> >> To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com> >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 7:31 PM> >>> >> I understand the process to receive the _disability_ status> >> can be a lengthy one. For all of you who have attained this> >> status (based on restriction in your lungs) have you had to> >> meet with Social Security staff each year on the anniversary> >> to renew your status. I would think that once they made> >> their medical decision based on your lungs having> >> dropped below an acceptable level, they know your lungs are> >> not apt to turn around and improve but being a government> >> agency, I find I can't assume anything. What have been your> >> experiences?> >> > >> Mike> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------> >>> >>> >> No virus found in this incoming message.> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00> >>> >> > >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------> >> >> > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Sher I think it becomes more and more obvious how different every location is as to the available services and how to access them. The broad range of senior services here is one reason I did choose to stay. On the other hand, if one required a nursing home, Texas is not a good place to be. A bit surprisingly the two states at the bottom when it comes to what medicaid pays nursing homes per patient are Illinois and Texas. Illinois medicaid only reimburses an average of $112.07 per patient per day and Texas only $112.79. This is against a national average of $163.27. So, while there are some good nursing homes in Texas, with over 70% of the patients on medicaid, nursing homes cannot provide equally here, especially those located in larger metropolitan areas. 60 homes have closed since 2006. Turnover of CNA's is 87%. But our senior centers and services are great. > > >> > > >> From: Mango man mangomaninparadise@ ... > > >> Subject: Re: Social Security disability > > >> To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com > > >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 7:31 PM > > >> > > >> I understand the process to receive the _disability_ status > > >> can be a lengthy one. For all of you who have attained this > > >> status (based on restriction in your lungs) have you had to > > >> meet with Social Security staff each year on the anniversary > > >> to renew your status. I would think that once they made > > >> their medical decision based on your lungs having > > >> dropped below an acceptable level, they know your lungs are > > >> not apt to turn around and improve but being a government > > >> agency, I find I can't assume anything. What have been your > > >> experiences? > > >> > > >> Mike > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ > > >> > > >> > > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00 > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00 > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 The Senior Center where I get my meals doesn't make it's own rules. I got OKed originally by the state Agency on Aging. Idaho is one of the poorer states and the governor ordered cut backs. That's when I lost my housekeeper. I would have lost her in a few months anyhow because my income has gone up but they cut me sooner. The meals aren't all that great either. Yes, life does get edgy. I love what you do with a keyboard and emoticons. BJ Re: Social Security disability> >> To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com> >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 7:31 PM> >>> >> I understand the process to receive the _disability_ status> >> can be a lengthy one. For all of you who have attained this> >> status (based on restriction in your lungs) have you had to> >> meet with Social Security staff each year on the anniversary> >> to renew your status. I would think that once they made> >> their medical decision based on your lungs having> >> dropped below an acceptable level, they know your lungs are> >> not apt to turn around and improve but being a government> >> agency, I find I can't assume anything. What have been your> >> experiences?> >> > >> Mike> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------> >>> >>> >> No virus found in this incoming message.> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00> >>> >> > >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------> >> >> > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 BJ Many of us don't know the difference, especially as it impacts us. So I looked up an answer. In some ways reminds me of the differences between gaseous oxygen cylinders and liquid oxygen. The difference between propane, or liquid petroleum gas (LPG), and natural gas comes down to their portability, compression, energy efficiency, and cost. However, there is generally no difference when it comes to performance in appliances for heating, cooking, or drying. The mixture of natural gas is comprised of propane, along with other gases like methane, butane, ethane, and pentane. One difference in the physical properties of propane and natural gas is how easily they liquefy and transport. Propane turns into a liquid at —46° F (-43° C), so it's easy to compress and carry in a portable tank. You can buy compressed propane at most gas stations. It's decompressed by a valve at the source of use, such as a barbeque grill. Yet natural gas doesn't compress as easily. It usually comes to your home from a utility company along dedicated lines to power things like a central heating system, clothes dryer, and water heater. Propane is heavier than air which is heavier than natural gas. Both natural gas and propane will dissipate into the air if they are released in an open enough environment and both can pose an explosive risk if they concentrate enough and are ignited. However, because propane is heavier, it tends to fall to the ground, collect, and pose a greater explosive risk. On the other hand, because natural gas is lighter than air, it tends to rise and dissipate into the air, posing less of an explosive risk. Propane provides more energy per unit volume than does natural gas. Heat is measured in BTUs, or British Thermal Units. Propane provides about 2500 BTUs for the same volume of natural gas that only gives 1000 BTUs. However, natural gas can be less expensive at up to one-sixth the cost of propane, depending on where you live. Utilities in colder climates might supply natural gas for less money, especially during winter months. Some rural areas don't have access to a utility company that provides gas service Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 BJ glad you enjoy my silliness. :>) We don't 'qualify' for a housekeeper either so we pay for one to come in once a month now....she used to come every two weeks. She really helps tho' with the heavier cleaning. Well, I have to get busy today and get back on my projects for Christmas. I'm embroidering pillow cases for the kids in the family. Found some really nice patterns to stamp on cases...cute little sayings and so forth. When one sees what I'm doing for another one I get, "Hey, those are cool gramma!" Take care BJ. MamaSher; 70, IPF 3-06, OR. NasturtiumsDon't fret about tomorrow, God is already there! Re: Social Security disability> >> To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com> >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 7:31 PM> >>> >> I understand the process to receive the _disability_ status> >> can be a lengthy one. For all of you who have attained this> >> status (based on restriction in your lungs) have you had to> >> meet with Social Security staff each year on the anniversary> >> to renew your status. I would think that once they made> >> their medical decision based on your lungs having> >> dropped below an acceptable level, they know your lungs are> >> not apt to turn around and improve but being a government> >> agency, I find I can't assume anything. What have been your> >> experiences?> >> > >> Mike> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------> >>> >>> >> No virus found in this incoming message.> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00> >>> >> > >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------> >> >> > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Sher Don is actually considering doing some traveling with but worries about oxygen and hesitant to ask for or afraid people won't be willing to help take it in and out of the hotels for them. Periods of heavier coughing seem to come periodically. I think he's having ups and downs but hanging in. I think Don is probably doing better today than he would have thought a year ago. > > > >> > > > >> From: Mango man mangomaninparadise@ ... > > > >> Subject: Re: Social Security disability > > > >> To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com > > > >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 7:31 PM > > > >> > > > >> I understand the process to receive the _disability_ status > > > >> can be a lengthy one. For all of you who have attained this > > > >> status (based on restriction in your lungs) have you had to > > > >> meet with Social Security staff each year on the anniversary > > > >> to renew your status. I would think that once they made > > > >> their medical decision based on your lungs having > > > >> dropped below an acceptable level, they know your lungs are > > > >> not apt to turn around and improve but being a government > > > >> agency, I find I can't assume anything. What have been your > > > >> experiences? > > > >> > > > >> Mike > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > --------- ------ > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > > > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: > 03/06/09 07:20:00 > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: > 03/06/09 07:20:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Thanks Bruce, I think of them often. Terri has dropped clear out of sight and a couple of others....hope they are ok. MamaSher; 70, IPF 3-06, OR. NasturtiumsDon't fret about tomorrow, God is already there! Re: Social Security disability> > > >> To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com> > > >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 7:31 PM> > > >>> > > >> I understand the process to receive the _disability_ status> > > >> can be a lengthy one. For all of you who have attained this> > > >> status (based on restriction in your lungs) have you had to> > > >> meet with Social Security staff each year on the anniversary> > > >> to renew your status. I would think that once they made> > > >> their medical decision based on your lungs having> > > >> dropped below an acceptable level, they know your lungs are> > > >> not apt to turn around and improve but being a government> > > >> agency, I find I can't assume anything. What have been your> > > >> experiences?> > > >>> > > >> Mike> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> --------- ------> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> No virus found in this incoming message.> > > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > > >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - ReleaseDate:> 03/06/09 07:20:00> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> --------- ------> > > >> > > >> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > > > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date:> 03/06/09 07:20:00> > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 According to my propane provider, it is a highly flamable gas. It feeds on oxygen. If you are on oxygen, you likely have a large amount stored in your house. If it should leak substantially or somehow reach the propane where ever it is, you would have a fire that would be quickly out of control. I suggest you find out what your local codes permit. A good place to check is your local fire department. They may even check out your house to determine if you may or may not have a problem and provide suggestions. We have had instances here in Maine with propane explosions even outside a house, yet the house was destroyed. Jack79/IPF - UIP/dx06/05 Maine To: Breathe-Support Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:57:34 AMSubject: Re: BJ JackI don't understand the danger with gas hot water heaters or gas heat andoxygen. I know the danger with a gas cooktop. But the danger is theoxygen and a flame. I don't understand how the flame from a hot waterheater or gas heat is going to get in contact with the oxygen. I havenot read a warning against gas heat or hot water before. Now, i know youshouldn't be the one to go relight a pilot or otherwise work on theunit. But generally what I have read is a safe distance of 5-6 feet fromany flame or source of sparks.> > >>> > >> From: Mango man mangomaninparadise@ ...> > >> Subject: Re: Social Security disability> > >> To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com> > >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 7:31 PM> > >>> > >> I understand the process to receive the _disability_ status> > >> can be a lengthy one. For all of you who have attained this> > >> status (based on restriction in your lungs) have you had to> > >> meet with Social Security staff each year on the anniversary> > >> to renew your status. I would think that once they made> > >> their medical decision based on your lungs having> > >> dropped below an acceptable level, they know your lungs are> > >> not apt to turn around and improve but being a government> > >> agency, I find I can't assume anything. What have been your> > >> experiences?> > >>> > >> Mike> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------------------ ------> > >>> > >>> > >> No virus found in this incoming message.> > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date:03/06/09 07:20:00> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------------------ ------> > >> > >> > > No virus found in this incoming message.> > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date:03/06/09 07:20:00> > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 MB, you are right. Oxygen does mot explode, but contained propane will explode if it heated by fire and has a lot of concentrated oxygen. If the source is outside the house and not too near it, the risk is much lower. Jack79/IPF - UIP/dx06/05 Maine To: Breathe-Support Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:54:57 AMSubject: Re: BJ Jack, Good morning! I'm getting ready to leave my hotel this morning but this caught my eye.. The two homes that I've lived in since being on oxygen both have gas.. In NY we had gas heat, hot water and cooked with gas. In NC we have gas hot water, a gas stove and a gas fireplace (the fireplace is not open, it's behind glass. While it may not be ideal, I it's quite as dangerous as you think. I'm cautious but I can't move nor can I change all these systems out for different even if I wanted to. The thought of asking my mother to cook on an electric stove.....well it just does not bear thinking about. I know I'm not the only one on the board who has gas in their home. Now in fairness I'm talking about natural gas, not propane. Remember the explosion danger is from the gas not the oxygen. Oxygen is not explosive it merely fuels an existing fire. Beth Moderator Fibrotic NSIP 06/06 Dermatomyositis 11/08 From: Jack Marshall <mrshlljck (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. comSent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:40:52 AMSubject: Re: BJ Beverly Joy, your oxygen provider is very right when stating that you shouldn't be using gas with oxygen in the house. It is very dangerous and a huge explosion could result, even from the pilot light. In one of my elderly housing projects, which in this case has both hot water and heat provided with propane, I removed the hot water heater and replaced it with electric. The propane heat was discontined and replaced with electric. I did this because the new tenant was on oxygen 24/7 and I could not sleep at night knowing the possibility of a catastrophe. If there is any possible way for you to discontinue the use of gas, please do so, if not for yourself, do it for me so I can sleep. You are not an "old lady" at 70. You are a lady who just happens to have 70 years of experience and wisdom. As I have so widely advertised, I am a man who just happens to have 80 years of experience and jokes. No wisdom here. In reality, I don't feel any differently than I did at 70, or 60, or 50, except that I am no longer embarrassed when I make an ass of myself. And no body dares to contradict me. Jack79/IPF - UIP/dx06/05 Maine From: Beverley Joy <sparrow4 (AT) localnet (DOT) com>To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. comSent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:51:35 PMSubject: Re: BJ My income is just above the poverty level. That means that I am not eligible for anything other that what I am eligible for simply because I am old. I get Medicare and a prescription drug plan. I have to pay for both plus another insurance plan that pays most of what they don't on the medicine. What they don't pay on the prescription plan is a lot and that is all mine to pay for. I have decided to be happy with what I have. They are letting me get meals on wheels for awhile because I was way below the poverty level last year and I don't drive in the winter. think that is ridiculous. I thought that anyone 65 or older could get the meals if they paid for them. I am partly getting it because I have a gas stove and my oxygen provider said that I shouldn't be cooking on it.. The meals aren't very good. I wish that I felt more like cooking but I just eat quick prepared foods if I have to cook for myself. I guess I must have confused a few people with my lack of knowledge. Thank God I am an old lady who knows how to use the internet. Beverley Joy, 70, IPF, 1-09, Idaho Re: Social Security disability> >> To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com> >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 7:31 PM> >>> >> I understand the process to receive the _disability_ status> >> can be a lengthy one. For all of you who have attained this> >> status (based on restriction in your lungs) have you had to> >> meet with Social Security staff each year on the anniversary> >> to renew your status. I would think that once they made> >> their medical decision based on your lungs having> >> dropped below an acceptable level, they know your lungs are> >> not apt to turn around and improve but being a government> >> agency, I find I can't assume anything. What have been your> >> experiences?> >> > >> Mike> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------> >>> >>> >> No virus found in this incoming message.> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00> >>> >> > >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------> >> >> > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Jack Not being familiar with New England, but isn't the propane tank always outside the home? Obviously if there is fire, the propane is a danger, the oxygen is a danger, everything is a danger. One thing I do is keep fire extinguishers throughout the house. However, if one has a small flame up of some sort and the first burst from the extinguisher doesn't put it out, my advice is to get out of the house as fast as possible. Never risk life to save property. Here in the city the primary propane tanks are on gas grills. All sorts of things can potentially develop there. > > >> > > >> From: Mango man mangomaninparadise@ ... > > >> Subject: Re: Social Security disability > > >> To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com > > >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 7:31 PM > > >> > > >> I understand the process to receive the _disability_ status > > >> can be a lengthy one. For all of you who have attained this > > >> status (based on restriction in your lungs) have you had to > > >> meet with Social Security staff each year on the anniversary > > >> to renew your status. I would think that once they made > > >> their medical decision based on your lungs having > > >> dropped below an acceptable level, they know your lungs are > > >> not apt to turn around and improve but being a government > > >> agency, I find I can't assume anything. What have been your > > >> experiences? > > >> > > >> Mike > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ > > >> > > >> > > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00 > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00 > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Jack Not being familiar with New England, but isn't the propane tank always outside the home? Obviously if there is fire, the propane is a danger, the oxygen is a danger, everything is a danger. One thing I do is keep fire extinguishers throughout the house. However, if one has a small flame up of some sort and the first burst from the extinguisher doesn't put it out, my advice is to get out of the house as fast as possible. Never risk life to save property. Here in the city the primary propane tanks are on gas grills. All sorts of things can potentially develop there. > > >> > > >> From: Mango man mangomaninparadise@ ... > > >> Subject: Re: Social Security disability > > >> To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com > > >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 7:31 PM > > >> > > >> I understand the process to receive the _disability_ status > > >> can be a lengthy one. For all of you who have attained this > > >> status (based on restriction in your lungs) have you had to > > >> meet with Social Security staff each year on the anniversary > > >> to renew your status. I would think that once they made > > >> their medical decision based on your lungs having > > >> dropped below an acceptable level, they know your lungs are > > >> not apt to turn around and improve but being a government > > >> agency, I find I can't assume anything. What have been your > > >> experiences? > > >> > > >> Mike > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ > > >> > > >> > > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00 > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00 > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Jack Not being familiar with New England, but isn't the propane tank always outside the home? Obviously if there is fire, the propane is a danger, the oxygen is a danger, everything is a danger. One thing I do is keep fire extinguishers throughout the house. However, if one has a small flame up of some sort and the first burst from the extinguisher doesn't put it out, my advice is to get out of the house as fast as possible. Never risk life to save property. Here in the city the primary propane tanks are on gas grills. All sorts of things can potentially develop there. > > >> > > >> From: Mango man mangomaninparadise@ ... > > >> Subject: Re: Social Security disability > > >> To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com > > >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 7:31 PM > > >> > > >> I understand the process to receive the _disability_ status > > >> can be a lengthy one. For all of you who have attained this > > >> status (based on restriction in your lungs) have you had to > > >> meet with Social Security staff each year on the anniversary > > >> to renew your status. I would think that once they made > > >> their medical decision based on your lungs having > > >> dropped below an acceptable level, they know your lungs are > > >> not apt to turn around and improve but being a government > > >> agency, I find I can't assume anything. What have been your > > >> experiences? > > >> > > >> Mike > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ > > >> > > >> > > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00 > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00 > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Jack, Just to clarify, I don't have propane. There is no gas stored anywhere on my property. We have natural gas coming to us continually from the local utility. Stored propane creates a somewhat different hazard. As I said, having oxygen tanks stored at my house creates a hazard. There's no getting around it. My local fire dept knows I'm here with my oxygen and the gas stove, water heater and fireplace. There are no legal restrictions on my being there with my equipment. What would be ideal is to get rid of this flippin oxygen but without it I'm a speed bump (as my sister informed me LOL). I am careful, please don't worry. We all need to be aware of the hazards and take appropriate precautions! Beth Moderator Fibrotic NSIP 06/06 Dermatomyositis 11/08 To: Breathe-Support Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:20:05 PMSubject: Re: BJ MB, you are right. Oxygen does mot explode, but contained propane will explode if it heated by fire and has a lot of concentrated oxygen. If the source is outside the house and not too near it, the risk is much lower. Jack79/IPF - UIP/dx06/05 Maine From: Beth <mbmurtha (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. comSent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:54:57 AMSubject: Re: BJ Jack, Good morning! I'm getting ready to leave my hotel this morning but this caught my eye.. The two homes that I've lived in since being on oxygen both have gas.. In NY we had gas heat, hot water and cooked with gas. In NC we have gas hot water, a gas stove and a gas fireplace (the fireplace is not open, it's behind glass. While it may not be ideal, I it's quite as dangerous as you think. I'm cautious but I can't move nor can I change all these systems out for different even if I wanted to. The thought of asking my mother to cook on an electric stove.....well it just does not bear thinking about. I know I'm not the only one on the board who has gas in their home. Now in fairness I'm talking about natural gas, not propane. Remember the explosion danger is from the gas not the oxygen. Oxygen is not explosive it merely fuels an existing fire. Beth Moderator Fibrotic NSIP 06/06 Dermatomyositis 11/08 From: Jack Marshall <mrshlljck (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. comSent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:40:52 AMSubject: Re: BJ Beverly Joy, your oxygen provider is very right when stating that you shouldn't be using gas with oxygen in the house. It is very dangerous and a huge explosion could result, even from the pilot light. In one of my elderly housing projects, which in this case has both hot water and heat provided with propane, I removed the hot water heater and replaced it with electric. The propane heat was discontined and replaced with electric. I did this because the new tenant was on oxygen 24/7 and I could not sleep at night knowing the possibility of a catastrophe. If there is any possible way for you to discontinue the use of gas, please do so, if not for yourself, do it for me so I can sleep. You are not an "old lady" at 70. You are a lady who just happens to have 70 years of experience and wisdom. As I have so widely advertised, I am a man who just happens to have 80 years of experience and jokes. No wisdom here. In reality, I don't feel any differently than I did at 70, or 60, or 50, except that I am no longer embarrassed when I make an ass of myself. And no body dares to contradict me. Jack79/IPF - UIP/dx06/05 Maine From: Beverley Joy <sparrow4 (AT) localnet (DOT) com>To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. comSent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:51:35 PMSubject: Re: BJ My income is just above the poverty level. That means that I am not eligible for anything other that what I am eligible for simply because I am old. I get Medicare and a prescription drug plan. I have to pay for both plus another insurance plan that pays most of what they don't on the medicine. What they don't pay on the prescription plan is a lot and that is all mine to pay for. I have decided to be happy with what I have. They are letting me get meals on wheels for awhile because I was way below the poverty level last year and I don't drive in the winter. think that is ridiculous. I thought that anyone 65 or older could get the meals if they paid for them. I am partly getting it because I have a gas stove and my oxygen provider said that I shouldn't be cooking on it.. The meals aren't very good. I wish that I felt more like cooking but I just eat quick prepared foods if I have to cook for myself. I guess I must have confused a few people with my lack of knowledge. Thank God I am an old lady who knows how to use the internet. Beverley Joy, 70, IPF, 1-09, Idaho Re: Social Security disability> >> To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com> >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 7:31 PM> >>> >> I understand the process to receive the _disability_ status> >> can be a lengthy one. For all of you who have attained this> >> status (based on restriction in your lungs) have you had to> >> meet with Social Security staff each year on the anniversary> >> to renew your status. I would think that once they made> >> their medical decision based on your lungs having> >> dropped below an acceptable level, they know your lungs are> >> not apt to turn around and improve but being a government> >> agency, I find I can't assume anything. What have been your> >> experiences?> >> > >> Mike> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------> >>> >>> >> No virus found in this incoming message.> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00> >>> >> > >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------> >> >> > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 thanks for the info, but too much detail for me Pink Joyce IPF 3/06 Pennsylvania Donate Life Listed 1/09 www.transplantfund.org--- Subject: Re: BJTo: Breathe-Support Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 12:40 PM BJ Many of us don't know the difference, especially as it impacts us. So I looked up an answer. In some ways reminds me of the differences between gaseous oxygen cylinders and liquid oxygen. The difference between propane, or liquid petroleum gas (LPG), and natural gas comes down to their portability, compression, energy efficiency, and cost. However, there is generally no difference when it comes to performance in appliances for heating, cooking, or drying. The mixture of natural gas is comprised of propane, along with other gases like methane, butane, ethane, and pentane. One difference in the physical properties of propane and natural gas is how easily they liquefy and transport. Propane turns into a liquid at —46° F (-43° C), so it's easy to compress and carry in a portable tank. You can buy compressed propane at most gas stations. It's decompressed by a valve at the source of use, such as a barbeque grill. Yet natural gas doesn't compress as easily. It usually comes to your home from a utility company along dedicated lines to power things like a central heating system, clothes dryer, and water heater. Propane is heavier than air which is heavier than natural gas. Both natural gas and propane will dissipate into the air if they are released in an open enough environment and both can pose an explosive risk if they concentrate enough and are ignited. However, because propane is heavier, it tends to fall to the ground, collect, and pose a greater explosive risk. On the other hand, because natural gas is lighter than air, it tends to rise and dissipate into the air, posing less of an explosive risk. Propane provides more energy per unit volume than does natural gas. Heat is measured in BTUs, or British Thermal Units. Propane provides about 2500 BTUs for the same volume of natural gas that only gives 1000 BTUs. However, natural gas can be less expensive at up to one-sixth the cost of propane, depending on where you live. Utilities in colder climates might supply natural gas for less money, especially during winter months. Some rural areas don't have access to a utility company that provides gas service Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 thanks for the info, but too much detail for me Pink Joyce IPF 3/06 Pennsylvania Donate Life Listed 1/09 www.transplantfund.org--- Subject: Re: BJTo: Breathe-Support Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 12:40 PM BJ Many of us don't know the difference, especially as it impacts us. So I looked up an answer. In some ways reminds me of the differences between gaseous oxygen cylinders and liquid oxygen. The difference between propane, or liquid petroleum gas (LPG), and natural gas comes down to their portability, compression, energy efficiency, and cost. However, there is generally no difference when it comes to performance in appliances for heating, cooking, or drying. The mixture of natural gas is comprised of propane, along with other gases like methane, butane, ethane, and pentane. One difference in the physical properties of propane and natural gas is how easily they liquefy and transport. Propane turns into a liquid at —46° F (-43° C), so it's easy to compress and carry in a portable tank. You can buy compressed propane at most gas stations. It's decompressed by a valve at the source of use, such as a barbeque grill. Yet natural gas doesn't compress as easily. It usually comes to your home from a utility company along dedicated lines to power things like a central heating system, clothes dryer, and water heater. Propane is heavier than air which is heavier than natural gas. Both natural gas and propane will dissipate into the air if they are released in an open enough environment and both can pose an explosive risk if they concentrate enough and are ignited. However, because propane is heavier, it tends to fall to the ground, collect, and pose a greater explosive risk. On the other hand, because natural gas is lighter than air, it tends to rise and dissipate into the air, posing less of an explosive risk. Propane provides more energy per unit volume than does natural gas. Heat is measured in BTUs, or British Thermal Units. Propane provides about 2500 BTUs for the same volume of natural gas that only gives 1000 BTUs. However, natural gas can be less expensive at up to one-sixth the cost of propane, depending on where you live. Utilities in colder climates might supply natural gas for less money, especially during winter months. Some rural areas don't have access to a utility company that provides gas service Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 i used to work in nursing homes. the CNA's, people who actually take care of the residents, tend to be the lowest paid employees, and tend to be uneducated (that might be too general a statement) many of the people who live in nursing homes have various forms of dementia and don't know whether or not they are being taken care of properly. it is important for family members to visit at various times, not just a routine time, so that the hands-on staff, [not sure how i want to say what i want to say] in pennsylvania there is an ombudsman program, not sure how it works or if it is federal unfortunately there are a lot of elderly who do not have any family or any one to keep an eye on them it is a very sad situation when i got my first nursing home job, it was a few months after my parents died every morning i used to walk into work and say to myself "thank G-d i didn't have to make the decision to place them into a nursing home you got me off on a tangent, but i certainly hope i never have to live in a nursing home i worked in a private home and a "for profit" home at the private home, when the money ran out, the residents would go on medical assistance this experience was in the 1980's changed careers and became a teacher Pink Joyce IPF 3/06 Pennsylvania Donate Life Listed 1/09 www.transplantfund.org--- Subject: Re: BJTo: Breathe-Support Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 12:27 PM SherI think it becomes more and more obvious how different every location isas to the available services and how to access them. The broad range ofsenior services here is one reason I did choose to stay. On the otherhand, if one required a nursing home, Texas is not a good place to be. Abit surprisingly the two states at the bottom when it comes to whatmedicaid pays nursing homes per patient are Illinois and Texas. Illinoismedicaid only reimburses an average of $112.07 per patient per day andTexas only $112.79. This is against a national average of $163.27. So,while there are some good nursing homes in Texas, with over 70% of thepatients on medicaid, nursing homes cannot provide equally here,especially those located in larger metropolitan areas. 60 homes haveclosed since 2006. Turnover of CNA's is 87%. But our senior centers andservices are great.> > >>> > >> From: Mango man mangomaninparadise@ ...> > >> Subject: Re: Social Security disability> > >> To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com> > >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 7:31 PM> > >>> > >> I understand the process to receive the _disability_ status> > >> can be a lengthy one. For all of you who have attained this> > >> status (based on restriction in your lungs) have you had to> > >> meet with Social Security staff each year on the anniversary> > >> to renew your status. I would think that once they made> > >> their medical decision based on your lungs having> > >> dropped below an acceptable level, they know your lungs are> > >> not apt to turn around and improve but being a government> > >> agency, I find I can't assume anything. What have been your> > >> experiences?> > >>> > >> Mike> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------------------ ------> > >>> > >>> > >> No virus found in this incoming message.> > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date:03/06/09 07:20:00> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------------------ ------> > >> > >> > > No virus found in this incoming message.> > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date:03/06/09 07:20:00> > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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