Re: Kids, morals, and the Golden Rule

April 26, 1999

I had to put in my 2 cents worth. My son is 14 yrs. old, and a freshman in

H.S. When I hear about some of the " bad " kids, I thank God that my son

isn't like that. And his friends aren't like that either, at least the ones

that I've met. I've always kept a close eye on his activities. I strongly

believe that problems with children can be reduced by great parental

involvement. There is a commercial on TV out here (I don't know if anyone

else has seen it) that shows a child growing up, and asking to do things with

his mom. The mother's voice, in the background, says things like, " Don't

bother me, I'm busy " . The last picture of the child shows him as a teenager

with handcuffs on, and a man's voice says, " If you ignore your children long

enough, maybe they will go away. " A very strong message.

Juli, 37, OH

April 26, 1999

well this certainly is a 'topic' being discussed all over america right now

so i also feel that a diversion from rls subject matter is ok for a

while.........i lived in a town not too far from littleton not all that

long ago and visited a client in littleton weekly so i'm somewhat familiar

with the area and the people/lifestyle - not the type of area one would

ever think something like this would happen. i also have a teenage girl

at home (i'm the stepfather) and most times i think she's from another

planet (like the one andrew is from) but i continually try to talk to her

and find out whats going on in her life (she see's it as interference of

course). she's been through her goth period and the thoughts of

self-destruction period and the kill them if they deserve it period and

somehow survived and has been on the honor roll for the past year and now

has a nice kid as a boyfriend and i feel will grow into a decent adult -

somehow.............talk talk talk and show them you care even though they

might ignore you for a time - what else is there???? can't lock them up

can we .

one more comment which might result in some hate mail being sent my way --

i DON'T ALWAYS equate religious displays with decency........a case can be

made that more people have been slaughtered in the history of mankind in

the name of religion than for any other reason - many people go to church

on sunday and cheat lie steal murder and rape the rest of the week and

there are many people that don't go to church and are decent human beings

all week.

JACK

partly cloudy windy and near 60 today in western nys

At 07:31 AM 4/26/99 -0400, you wrote:

>From: ninettecampbell@... (Ninette )

>

> Should have phrased that differently. did not

>mean to say that no kids have morals or values. Our students at our high

>school pray around our flag pole every day, and this is started by my

>own church. I too have students who are fine, upstanding citizens of our

>community, and are excellent role models for others, but I find that

>everday more and more of them are becomung so desensetized to things

>like violence, bad language, and sex. I agree these things have been

>happening a long tme, but NOT to the extent they are now. My students

>are shocked when I tell them that certain " words " they use are

>inappropriate and that they won't use them around me. They talk openly

>about having sex. It's become an extracirricular activity, and even if

>it's just talk, they're always ready to " take someone out " . I think

>there are a lot of kids today who just don't know right from wrong, BTW,

>lest any of you misunderstand, this a

>discussion, not an argument, and sorry for those of you who may not be

>interested, but a subject like this is worthy enough to stray from the

>topic of RLS a bit. I think in light of the things going on right now,

>we would be hard pressed not to worry about what is going on in the

>minds of our teenagers. I applaud you

>and thank you Lindy for helping to teach these things in your classes.

>

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April 26, 1999

I agree Jack that there have been a lot of people slaughtered in the name of

religion in the past ie: the crusades. Did you know though that there have

been more Christians killed in this century than in all other centuries

combined? I can't remember the number exactly but it was in the millions

and even far more than the poor souls who perished in the holocaust. No, we

human beings don't seem to learn from history. I wouldn't be surprised if

our Creator is looking down on us and thinking maybe he made a mistake in

creating us.

Alors,

Jeanne and Mr. Biggles in Poultney VT

April 26, 1999

> I would tend to agree that we as humans have turned out more like a

parasite on the earth that God has created for us to care for. We have

made it a habit to completely exhaust the resources in our environment

and then move to another space to begin our damage there. However, I do

not think that God is ever sorry he made us. I think that he is sorry

that he gave us the freedom of choice at times, for that is when we

disappoint him the most.

_________________________________________________________

April 26, 1999

Jack, my husband just said tonight to our 15 yr old that he didn't come with a

set of

instructions and he has to help us out to understand how a 15 yr old thinks.

Yes, talk, talk,

talk. Know what they are doing and take part in those doings. Horay for you

for keeping an

open mind.

My principal is one of 12 across the country on the President's Crisis

Intervention task force

who are specially trained to go into situations like Colorado. He left Conroe

Thursday morning

for Colorado to help school officials with advice, support, etc.. In our weekly

dept. chair

meeting today he shared several things that haven't come out on the news. But,

the biggest

thing, which some of it was in the news, was that the teachers knew about this,

reported it, and

nothing was done. Basically, their concerns were not taken seriously. At

Conroe High, EVERY

comment, act, etc., is taken seriously and is followed up by a school official.

We also have an

anynonomous hot line.

I could go on and on about this. Maybe this topic should be a complete

different list and

support group!

What's the saying? . .. it takes a village to raise a child?

Lindy B in Southeast Texas

Jack or Sue or Jackie wrote:

>

> well this certainly is a 'topic' being discussed all over america right now

> so i also feel that a diversion from rls subject matter is ok for a

> while.........i lived in a town not too far from littleton not all that

> long ago and visited a client in littleton weekly so i'm somewhat familiar

> with the area and the people/lifestyle - not the type of area one would

> ever think something like this would happen. i also have a teenage girl

> at home (i'm the stepfather) and most times i think she's from another

> planet (like the one andrew is from) but i continually try to talk to her

> and find out whats going on in her life (she see's it as interference of

> course). she's been through her goth period and the thoughts of

> self-destruction period and the kill them if they deserve it period and

> somehow survived and has been on the honor roll for the past year and now

> has a nice kid as a boyfriend and i feel will grow into a decent adult -

> somehow.............talk talk talk and show them you care even though they

> might ignore you for a time - what else is there???? can't lock them up

> can we .

>

> one more comment which might result in some hate mail being sent my way --

> i DON'T ALWAYS equate religious displays with decency........a case can be

> made that more people have been slaughtered in the history of mankind in

> the name of religion than for any other reason - many people go to church

> on sunday and cheat lie steal murder and rape the rest of the week and

> there are many people that don't go to church and are decent human beings

> all week.

>

> JACK

> partly cloudy windy and near 60 today in western nys

>

> At 07:31 AM 4/26/99 -0400, you wrote:

> >From: ninettecampbell@... (Ninette )

> >

> > Should have phrased that differently. did not

> >mean to say that no kids have morals or values. Our students at our high

> >school pray around our flag pole every day, and this is started by my

> >own church. I too have students who are fine, upstanding citizens of our

> >community, and are excellent role models for others, but I find that

> >everday more and more of them are becomung so desensetized to things

> >like violence, bad language, and sex. I agree these things have been

> >happening a long tme, but NOT to the extent they are now. My students

> >are shocked when I tell them that certain " words " they use are

> >inappropriate and that they won't use them around me. They talk openly

> >about having sex. It's become an extracirricular activity, and even if

> >it's just talk, they're always ready to " take someone out " . I think

> >there are a lot of kids today who just don't know right from wrong, BTW,

> >lest any of you misunderstand, this a

> >discussion, not an argument, and sorry for those of you who may not be

> >interested, but a subject like this is worthy enough to stray from the

> >topic of RLS a bit. I think in light of the things going on right now,

> >we would be hard pressed not to worry about what is going on in the

> >minds of our teenagers. I applaud you

> >and thank you Lindy for helping to teach these things in your classes.

> >

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April 27, 1999

I certainly believe that a child must be raised by a village. There is

a mothers day commercial that really says it well ... I believe

Hallmark ... telling how the women in life influence you. THat applies

to everyone around you I think. I know that I picked up things that I

saw in my grandparents as well as my own parents. And once in school, I

modeled after the teachers and other students. It really depends on

whether you believe in the theory that we learn our personalities or we

are born with these innate templates ... our personality.

_________________________________________________________

April 27, 1999

well i hate to agree but i guess in today's society it does take a village

- i believe i read that about 1/2 of today's households are without the

biological father of the child and more than 1/2 of the mothers work

outside of the home.......so who is raising our children - i guess the

village does - SO SAD!!!!!!!!

JACK

sunny and about 50 today in western nys

At 05:53 AM 4/27/99 -0700, you wrote:

>

>I certainly believe that a child must be raised by a village. There is

>a mothers day commercial that really says it well ... I believe

>Hallmark ... telling how the women in life influence you. THat applies

>to everyone around you I think. I know that I picked up things that I

>saw in my grandparents as well as my own parents. And once in school, I

>modeled after the teachers and other students. It really depends on

>whether you believe in the theory that we learn our personalities or we

>are born with these innate templates ... our personality.

>_________________________________________________________

>

April 27, 1999

well i hate to agree but i guess in today's society it does take a village

- i believe i read that about 1/2 of today's households are without the

biological father of the child and more than 1/2 of the mothers work

outside of the home.......so who is raising our children - i guess the

village does - SO SAD!!!!!!!!

JACK

sunny and about 50 today in western nys

At 05:53 AM 4/27/99 -0700, you wrote:

>

>I certainly believe that a child must be raised by a village. There is

>a mothers day commercial that really says it well ... I believe

>Hallmark ... telling how the women in life influence you. THat applies

>to everyone around you I think. I know that I picked up things that I

>saw in my grandparents as well as my own parents. And once in school, I

>modeled after the teachers and other students. It really depends on

>whether you believe in the theory that we learn our personalities or we

>are born with these innate templates ... our personality.

>_________________________________________________________

>

April 27, 1999

it isnt necessarily sad that the village raises the child. In some

societies, that is how it is ... People learn a lot from one another,

it isnt so bad that the child is exposed to diverse personalities and

situations. It is however sad when the child is raised by a day care

worker alone. parents with children under the age of three are usually

recommended to stay home with their children, because in this period of

growth, it is most critical for the child to have paternal and maternal

support. However, it is also in the quality of the time spent with the

child not just the quantity. .... wow .. this sure does open a lot of

other discussions... :-)

--- Jack or Sue or Jackie goviers@...> wrote:

> From: Jack or Sue or Jackie

> goviers@...>

>

> well i hate to agree but i guess in today's society

> it does take a village

> - i believe i read that about 1/2 of today's

> households are without the

> biological father of the child and more than 1/2 of

> the mothers work

> outside of the home.......so who is raising our

> children - i guess the

> village does - SO SAD!!!!!!!!

>

> JACK

> sunny and about 50 today in western nys

>

> At 05:53 AM 4/27/99 -0700, you wrote:

> >

> >I certainly believe that a child must be raised by

> a village. There is

> >a mothers day commercial that really says it well

> ... I believe

> >Hallmark ... telling how the women in life

> influence you. THat applies

> >to everyone around you I think. I know that I

> picked up things that I

> >saw in my grandparents as well as my own parents.

> And once in school, I

> >modeled after the teachers and other students. It

> really depends on

> >whether you believe in the theory that we learn our

> personalities or we

> >are born with these innate templates ... our

> personality.

> >_________________________________________________________

> >

April 27, 1999

lee - couldn't agree with you more!!!!!!

JACK

sunny and cool in western nys

At 07:27 AM 4/27/99 -0700, you wrote:

>

>it isnt necessarily sad that the village raises the child. In some

>societies, that is how it is ... People learn a lot from one another,

>it isnt so bad that the child is exposed to diverse personalities and

>situations. It is however sad when the child is raised by a day care

>worker alone. parents with children under the age of three are usually

>recommended to stay home with their children, because in this period of

>growth, it is most critical for the child to have paternal and maternal

>support. However, it is also in the quality of the time spent with the

>child not just the quantity. .... wow .. this sure does open a lot of

>other discussions... :-)

>--- Jack or Sue or Jackie goviers@...> wrote:

>> From: Jack or Sue or Jackie

>> goviers@...>

>>

>> well i hate to agree but i guess in today's society

>> it does take a village

>> - i believe i read that about 1/2 of today's

>> households are without the

>> biological father of the child and more than 1/2 of

>> the mothers work

>> outside of the home.......so who is raising our

>> children - i guess the

>> village does - SO SAD!!!!!!!!

>>

>> JACK

>> sunny and about 50 today in western nys

>>

>> At 05:53 AM 4/27/99 -0700, you wrote:

>> >

>> >I certainly believe that a child must be raised by

>> a village. There is

>> >a mothers day commercial that really says it well

>> ... I believe

>> >Hallmark ... telling how the women in life

>> influence you. THat applies

>> >to everyone around you I think. I know that I

>> picked up things that I

>> >saw in my grandparents as well as my own parents.

>> And once in school, I

>> >modeled after the teachers and other students. It

>> really depends on

>> >whether you believe in the theory that we learn our

>> personalities or we

>> >are born with these innate templates ... our

>> personality.

>> >_________________________________________________________

>> >

April 27, 1999