Janes comment re:natural vs conventional

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From Jane:

<< >>I am constantly amazed at the number of people who

>>think " natural " (whatever that means, some of the most

>>dangerous and toxic substances in the world are

>> " natural " ) is better than traditional or prescribed

>>medications. Why someone would think that because

>>something grows or exists in nature it is better than

>>something that man, through his research and brain

>>and testing, has developed escapes me.

>> >>

HEAR HEAR!!! This is a case of too much of a good thing, in my opinion.

There truly are many cases where a " natural " substance is just as effective

or perhaps even better than a prescribed one.....but I feel it is being

carried too far in so many instances. The fact that there is no control over

these OTC substances makes them very dangerous also. There is just no

guarantee of what is in these bottles........or whether they might perhaps be

contaminated.

Connie

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Re: origins of rls

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>>Hi Ann and Everyone,

>>

>>I am way behind in reading my mail _ I am in the

>>process of working my way backwards so I have not read

>>what said.

>>

>>So I am speculating, most diseases and disorders are

>>not modern - they have been around - but perhaps were

>>not reported on sufficiently or information about them

>>disseminated (after all today we have much better

>>communication, etc) or recognized and given a name. I

>>am sure that many people died from cancer, etc. before

>>a name was given to the disease process or their cause

>>of death was unknown or attributed to something else.

>>

>>Despite the fact that sometimes the medicine that is

>>prescribed for use doesn't work or has bad side

>>effects, I am a lot more comfortable with medicine

>>prescribed by a medical profession (i.e., an M.D.) and

>> that has been tested and evaluated in scientifically

>>sound, controlled, blinded studies.

>>

>>I am constantly amazed at the number of people who

>>think " natural " (whatever that means, some of the most

>>dangerous and toxic substances in the world are

>> " natural " ) is better than traditional or prescribed

>>medications. Why someone would think that because

>>something grows or exists in nature it is better than

>>something that man, through his research and brain

>>and testing, has developed escapes me.

>>

>>I have tried homeopathic remedies - I am not

>>close-minded - dozens - the only one I have had any

>>positive experience with is Kava Kava - it does seem

>>to help me sleep - off the soapbox - and on with

>>catching up with my e-mail.

>>

>>I wish everyone a restful night.

>>

>> Jane

>>

>>P.S. To - with all of the noise lately about

>>people hearing from you who don't want to hear from

>>you, I just want to tell you that I have asked you

>>twice and the list once for any information re Sinemet

>>causing depression. I think you must only like to

>>talk to people who give you a hard time, so when you

>>answer me (if you do), I will post your message to the

>>whole list (if you don't) - just trying to push you

>>into replying (LOL) RAINBOWPED.

>>

>>

>>--- Ann Cianflone ann@...> wrote:

>>> , I hate to tangle with you but....from what I

>>> have read, there is a

>>> description of rls given by a Willis back in

>>> 1685. " Wherefore, in

>>> some, whilst they would indulge sleep, in their

>>> beds, immediately follow

>>> leapings up of the tendons, in the arms and legs,

>>> with cramps, and such

>>> unquietness and flying about of their members, that

>>> the afflicted can no

>>> more sleep than those on the Rack. "

>>>

>>> Rls is hardly a " modern disease " .

>>>

>>> I couldn't agree more about the marvel of the human

>>> body and its ability to

>>> recover from devastating damage to it. That it can

>>> even recuperate from

>>> prescription drugs prescribed by M.D.s is another

>>> wonder.

>>> Regards

>>> Ann Cianflone

>>>

>>>

>>

>>> ATTACHMENT part 2 application/ms-tnef

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[Guest guest]

Re: origins of rls

>

>

>>

>>

>>Hi Ann and Everyone,

>>

>>I am way behind in reading my mail _ I am in the

>>process of working my way backwards so I have not read

>>what said.

>>

>>So I am speculating, most diseases and disorders are

>>not modern - they have been around - but perhaps were

>>not reported on sufficiently or information about them

>>disseminated (after all today we have much better

>>communication, etc) or recognized and given a name. I

>>am sure that many people died from cancer, etc. before

>>a name was given to the disease process or their cause

>>of death was unknown or attributed to something else.

>>

>>Despite the fact that sometimes the medicine that is

>>prescribed for use doesn't work or has bad side

>>effects, I am a lot more comfortable with medicine

>>prescribed by a medical profession (i.e., an M.D.) and

>> that has been tested and evaluated in scientifically

>>sound, controlled, blinded studies.

>>

>>I am constantly amazed at the number of people who

>>think " natural " (whatever that means, some of the most

>>dangerous and toxic substances in the world are

>> " natural " ) is better than traditional or prescribed

>>medications. Why someone would think that because

>>something grows or exists in nature it is better than

>>something that man, through his research and brain

>>and testing, has developed escapes me.

>>

>>I have tried homeopathic remedies - I am not

>>close-minded - dozens - the only one I have had any

>>positive experience with is Kava Kava - it does seem

>>to help me sleep - off the soapbox - and on with

>>catching up with my e-mail.

>>

>>I wish everyone a restful night.

>>

>> Jane

>>

>>P.S. To - with all of the noise lately about

>>people hearing from you who don't want to hear from

>>you, I just want to tell you that I have asked you

>>twice and the list once for any information re Sinemet

>>causing depression. I think you must only like to

>>talk to people who give you a hard time, so when you

>>answer me (if you do), I will post your message to the

>>whole list (if you don't) - just trying to push you

>>into replying (LOL) RAINBOWPED.

>>

>>

>>--- Ann Cianflone ann@...> wrote:

>>> , I hate to tangle with you but....from what I

>>> have read, there is a

>>> description of rls given by a Willis back in

>>> 1685. " Wherefore, in

>>> some, whilst they would indulge sleep, in their

>>> beds, immediately follow

>>> leapings up of the tendons, in the arms and legs,

>>> with cramps, and such

>>> unquietness and flying about of their members, that

>>> the afflicted can no

>>> more sleep than those on the Rack. "

>>>

>>> Rls is hardly a " modern disease " .

>>>

>>> I couldn't agree more about the marvel of the human

>>> body and its ability to

>>> recover from devastating damage to it. That it can

>>> even recuperate from

>>> prescription drugs prescribed by M.D.s is another

>>> wonder.

>>> Regards

>>> Ann Cianflone

>>>

>>>

>>

>>> ATTACHMENT part 2 application/ms-tnef

>>

>>

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Hi All,

At the risk of sounding overly cynical, I don't think all

this wonderful testing by the pharmaceutical companies can

be entirely trusted either - they are, of course, seeking

to sell their products, and the FDA merely checks their

paperwork. Can we all say PROFIT?

ne, Teacher

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[Guest guest]

Hi All,

At the risk of sounding overly cynical, I don't think all

this wonderful testing by the pharmaceutical companies can

be entirely trusted either - they are, of course, seeking

to sell their products, and the FDA merely checks their

paperwork. Can we all say PROFIT?

ne, Teacher

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[Guest guest]

This is in reply to Helena's message.

I was absolutely delighted in your message. You have indeed done a lot of

personal research. I am blessed with a medical practitioner who shares my

feelings about dosing myself mercilessly with prescription medications. I

am free to discuss any natural or over the counter remedy I may want to try

with her and she hasn't turned down any of them. She has cautioned me about

what to watch for. During my last visit with her I had to wait until the

daily rounds and staff meeting were over (there was only a short wait) and

when we sat down together the subject of medications came up. She was

obviously unnerved about the discussion about medications in the meeting and

mentioned that there were times when she wondered about the effectiveness of

some of them due to the horrid side effects they contained. When she

mentioned my cholestorol levels especially the LDL being high she made a

pact with me. I'm to spend the next three months trying to reduce the total

to 200 or less by natural means before we contemplate medication for it.

Meanwhile I think I'll up my magnesium intake to see if that helps the RLS

any. My Father and Grandma were Australian and Grandma was the one who

treated us with home remedies unless it was obviously something that called

for a doctor. She used to dose us with something called Spirits of Nitre

for fever which she called " Little Girl's Gin " mixing it with sugar and

water. God, I loved my Grandma!

The sun is shining here in Poultney, Vermont and we've been promised a

beautiful Memorial Day weekend. I'm waiting now for my son to arrive home

for a week's vacation and we're going up to my daughter's tomorrow so the

weekend does indeed look promising (that is if I can convince Mr. Biggles to

behave properly!)

CHEERS!!

Jeanne and Mr. Biggles in Poultney VT

[Guest guest]

This is in reply to Helena's message.

I was absolutely delighted in your message. You have indeed done a lot of

personal research. I am blessed with a medical practitioner who shares my

feelings about dosing myself mercilessly with prescription medications. I

am free to discuss any natural or over the counter remedy I may want to try

with her and she hasn't turned down any of them. She has cautioned me about

what to watch for. During my last visit with her I had to wait until the

daily rounds and staff meeting were over (there was only a short wait) and

when we sat down together the subject of medications came up. She was

obviously unnerved about the discussion about medications in the meeting and

mentioned that there were times when she wondered about the effectiveness of

some of them due to the horrid side effects they contained. When she

mentioned my cholestorol levels especially the LDL being high she made a

pact with me. I'm to spend the next three months trying to reduce the total

to 200 or less by natural means before we contemplate medication for it.

Meanwhile I think I'll up my magnesium intake to see if that helps the RLS

any. My Father and Grandma were Australian and Grandma was the one who

treated us with home remedies unless it was obviously something that called

for a doctor. She used to dose us with something called Spirits of Nitre

for fever which she called " Little Girl's Gin " mixing it with sugar and

water. God, I loved my Grandma!

The sun is shining here in Poultney, Vermont and we've been promised a

beautiful Memorial Day weekend. I'm waiting now for my son to arrive home

for a week's vacation and we're going up to my daughter's tomorrow so the

weekend does indeed look promising (that is if I can convince Mr. Biggles to

behave properly!)

CHEERS!!

Jeanne and Mr. Biggles in Poultney VT

[Guest guest]

Good Morning Everyone,

I use home remedies (mainly ones I learned from my

grandmother). I did not say that " natural " and

" homeopathic " treatments can not be useful - I did not

dismiss them. I have simply met a number of people who

think " natural " (which would have to be defined in

each case for each person) is superior to " manmade " -

PERIOD. I said I had tried a number of " natural "

remedies. It occurred to me that in addition to Kava

Kava, I have also found an arthritis pain ointment

(purchased at a natural foods) store to be helpful -

arinica gel (I think that's the name of it?).

I do not need lectures in elementary biology and

physiology as I have a solid background in the

biological and physical sciences. (Sorry but whoever

responded with that " lecture " seemed to be of the mind

that I needed to be educated - perhaps I am being

oversensitive as that message was quite informative,

etc.).

Finally there are controls over OTC medications - the

factories are inspected and have to comply with good

manufacturing practices (the law). If the meaning

behind the potential for contamination of OTC meds

referred to some psycho tampering- that could happen

with any product.

At this point, I am going to take a couple of days off

from reading rls e-mail. I think I may even delete all

new mail that comes while I am taking a break - that

is without reading any of it. I think I have been

talking too much lately and I'm getting kind of edgy -

but then I haven't had any sleep. Lack of rest can

get to you.

Anyhow, I respect everyone's right to choose - I

encourage eveyone to explore and learn and take care

of themselves (you better look after yourselves!)

I have experienced bad reactions (very bad) to

prescription medicine and been the recipient of shall

we say misdirected care. But no one is perfect (not

any doctors and not even me - JOKE).

Whatever works for you - and produces the least side

effects or complications - I don't care if you buy it

from a practitioner of wicca (I did this in New

Orleans once). We all have to be our own physicians

to a great extent.

I hope all of you are getting lots of

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz's.

Take it easy!

Jane

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