Re: trauma induced rls

[Guest guest]

I never experienced rls until about 15 years ago.

About 25 years ago I was in a motorcycle accident and broke my back

(acually a very minor break, a hair line fracture) so I have to believe

my rls is trauma induced.

Bud 54 in norther mich

[Guest guest]

Yo Rainbowped,

You mention family related RLS and a football injury, stating that both could

have been related to this syndrome. Then you curiously mention, " Which came

first, the chicken or the egg? " I assume this was done tongue-in-cheek.

However, you have not supplied enough information to answer this question. Is

the football injury the chicken or the egg? Secondly, for those of you who

have been educated in the sciences, this age old question is not hard at all.

Unless you believe in a " supreme " being, it is well know that actuality always

comes before potentiality. Therefore, since the egg is a potentiality, and the

chicken an actuality, the chicken must have come first.( The only other

possibility is that two chicken-like animals got together to form the chicken)

That is why " supreme " beings are impossible to explain because those that

believe in them also hold that " nothing " created them, they always " were. "

Now, Rainbow person, please take your tongue out of your cheek.

Also, I have watched with interest all of the venom tossed my way because of

my " hypothesis " about trauma-induced RLS. I will give all that care to, one

more day to ridicule, or otherwise attack my understanding of the causes and

intensities of RLS/PLMS. Some of you have been open-minded, others, like

ne of Lawrenceville, have gone far enough to suggest that my being on

Social Security somehow implies a hidden agenda with respects to trauma

induced RLS. ( Another reason for me not to like New Jersey) I will respond in

due course. Surfice it to say that many of you are mean-spirited and I guess

you must feel superior when you attack people with different ideas. I have

seen several people unsubscribe from this group because of the attack mode

many of you operate from.

I have read about concentration, brushes, gardening and many other methods

some of you have found successful. I would never try to hurt your feelings or

challenge your position by attacking you. Let me state again, for the record,

and in the interest of receiving more hate mail, the following: RLS/PLMS has

been linked, IN SOME CASES, to traumas of the body. Spine injuries, brain

injuries and surgery, TO MENTION A FEW, are such examples. MOST cases of

trauma induced RLS/PLMS have not responded to conventional meds used in the

treatment of this disorder. Indeed, even nontraditional methods have had few

successes when dealing with trauma induced RLS/PLMS. Many of you have noted

that 16 cases is far too few to state a hypothesis. ( Check most of the RLS

research, many have samples just as small, if not smaller. Also, taken

together with non-trauma RLS, the group is actually bigger) Many of you might

be surprised that NATIONAL polls on how people will vote and the prediction of

elections for over 50 million voters can be gauged with +/- 3% with only 1,500

people being interviewed.

You got about 24 hours to get your last kicks in. I will not let mental

midgets get me down. By the way, I find the emails entitled, " My RLS is worse

than yours " to be the most pathetic, even sorrier than ne's in New

Jersey.

I have always tried to encourage and give information to those that ask. My

next letter to the group will be, hopefully, the last time I need to be

negative. Peace......

Ed-Cyberphilly

[Guest guest]

Yo Rainbowped,

You mention family related RLS and a football injury, stating that both could

have been related to this syndrome. Then you curiously mention, " Which came

first, the chicken or the egg? " I assume this was done tongue-in-cheek.

However, you have not supplied enough information to answer this question. Is

the football injury the chicken or the egg? Secondly, for those of you who

have been educated in the sciences, this age old question is not hard at all.

Unless you believe in a " supreme " being, it is well know that actuality always

comes before potentiality. Therefore, since the egg is a potentiality, and the

chicken an actuality, the chicken must have come first.( The only other

possibility is that two chicken-like animals got together to form the chicken)

That is why " supreme " beings are impossible to explain because those that

believe in them also hold that " nothing " created them, they always " were. "

Now, Rainbow person, please take your tongue out of your cheek.

Also, I have watched with interest all of the venom tossed my way because of

my " hypothesis " about trauma-induced RLS. I will give all that care to, one

more day to ridicule, or otherwise attack my understanding of the causes and

intensities of RLS/PLMS. Some of you have been open-minded, others, like

ne of Lawrenceville, have gone far enough to suggest that my being on

Social Security somehow implies a hidden agenda with respects to trauma

induced RLS. ( Another reason for me not to like New Jersey) I will respond in

due course. Surfice it to say that many of you are mean-spirited and I guess

you must feel superior when you attack people with different ideas. I have

seen several people unsubscribe from this group because of the attack mode

many of you operate from.

I have read about concentration, brushes, gardening and many other methods

some of you have found successful. I would never try to hurt your feelings or

challenge your position by attacking you. Let me state again, for the record,

and in the interest of receiving more hate mail, the following: RLS/PLMS has

been linked, IN SOME CASES, to traumas of the body. Spine injuries, brain

injuries and surgery, TO MENTION A FEW, are such examples. MOST cases of

trauma induced RLS/PLMS have not responded to conventional meds used in the

treatment of this disorder. Indeed, even nontraditional methods have had few

successes when dealing with trauma induced RLS/PLMS. Many of you have noted

that 16 cases is far too few to state a hypothesis. ( Check most of the RLS

research, many have samples just as small, if not smaller. Also, taken

together with non-trauma RLS, the group is actually bigger) Many of you might

be surprised that NATIONAL polls on how people will vote and the prediction of

elections for over 50 million voters can be gauged with +/- 3% with only 1,500

people being interviewed.

You got about 24 hours to get your last kicks in. I will not let mental

midgets get me down. By the way, I find the emails entitled, " My RLS is worse

than yours " to be the most pathetic, even sorrier than ne's in New

Jersey.

I have always tried to encourage and give information to those that ask. My

next letter to the group will be, hopefully, the last time I need to be

negative. Peace......

Ed-Cyberphilly

[Guest guest]

Yo Rainbowped,

You mention family related RLS and a football injury, stating that both could

have been related to this syndrome. Then you curiously mention, " Which came

first, the chicken or the egg? " I assume this was done tongue-in-cheek.

However, you have not supplied enough information to answer this question. Is

the football injury the chicken or the egg? Secondly, for those of you who

have been educated in the sciences, this age old question is not hard at all.

Unless you believe in a " supreme " being, it is well know that actuality always

comes before potentiality. Therefore, since the egg is a potentiality, and the

chicken an actuality, the chicken must have come first.( The only other

possibility is that two chicken-like animals got together to form the chicken)

That is why " supreme " beings are impossible to explain because those that

believe in them also hold that " nothing " created them, they always " were. "

Now, Rainbow person, please take your tongue out of your cheek.

Also, I have watched with interest all of the venom tossed my way because of

my " hypothesis " about trauma-induced RLS. I will give all that care to, one

more day to ridicule, or otherwise attack my understanding of the causes and

intensities of RLS/PLMS. Some of you have been open-minded, others, like

ne of Lawrenceville, have gone far enough to suggest that my being on

Social Security somehow implies a hidden agenda with respects to trauma

induced RLS. ( Another reason for me not to like New Jersey) I will respond in

due course. Surfice it to say that many of you are mean-spirited and I guess

you must feel superior when you attack people with different ideas. I have

seen several people unsubscribe from this group because of the attack mode

many of you operate from.

I have read about concentration, brushes, gardening and many other methods

some of you have found successful. I would never try to hurt your feelings or

challenge your position by attacking you. Let me state again, for the record,

and in the interest of receiving more hate mail, the following: RLS/PLMS has

been linked, IN SOME CASES, to traumas of the body. Spine injuries, brain

injuries and surgery, TO MENTION A FEW, are such examples. MOST cases of

trauma induced RLS/PLMS have not responded to conventional meds used in the

treatment of this disorder. Indeed, even nontraditional methods have had few

successes when dealing with trauma induced RLS/PLMS. Many of you have noted

that 16 cases is far too few to state a hypothesis. ( Check most of the RLS

research, many have samples just as small, if not smaller. Also, taken

together with non-trauma RLS, the group is actually bigger) Many of you might

be surprised that NATIONAL polls on how people will vote and the prediction of

elections for over 50 million voters can be gauged with +/- 3% with only 1,500

people being interviewed.

You got about 24 hours to get your last kicks in. I will not let mental

midgets get me down. By the way, I find the emails entitled, " My RLS is worse

than yours " to be the most pathetic, even sorrier than ne's in New

Jersey.

I have always tried to encourage and give information to those that ask. My

next letter to the group will be, hopefully, the last time I need to be

negative. Peace......

Ed-Cyberphilly

[Guest guest]

Yo Jane,

Your email was not offensive and, on the contrary, very insightful. I probably

used the wrong word when I said " worse. " I even said as much during subsequent

emails to the group. Rather, persistent would be a better word. I stand by my

hypothesis and currently am working with two RLS specialists to investigate

this " angle. " This is not to say that some members experience severe,

relentless RLS/PLMS. I am also interested in finding out if " genetic/familia "

RLS/PLMS mirrors that of the parent or family member who could be carrying the

" gene. " That is to say that maybe certain " strains " of RLS/PLMS are more

persistent than others. The fact that this type of RLS/PLMS seems, in many

cases, to get worse over time leads me to think that the intensity, if passed

to the next generation, will vary no matter what the original " host "

experiences.

Also, the fact that almost no blacks, American Indians, or Asians suffer from

this syndrome point to a strong heredity factor. Mainly White, northern

European types are afflicted in much higher numbers. ( , maybe you can

check that out amongst your Scandinavian friends)

It seems that those that are injured, and never experienced RLS/PLMS before,

go right to the " severe " category, not letting age take its toll. Therefore,

our scope of investigation/study will be to determine if trauma induced

patients, ON THE WHOLE, have severe/relentless symptoms in much higher

numbers. I suspect that they do.

This group represents mostly heredity-types of RLS/PLMS and indeed, also

represents the small number of that kind of RLS that doesn't respond favorably

to the mainstream meds. Read the studies, you will find that well over 80% of

those administered meds respond with reduced sensations. Yes, some of the meds

do wear off, but the fact that they do overwhelming respond positively points

to a difference between traumatic and heredity induced RLS/PLMS. We are

currently trying to ascertain if those subjects that didn't respond favorably

are, in higher percentages, trauma induced cases. I also suspect this is the

case.

For what it is worth, I will also participate in a brain wave study to help

identify any differences in this area, as they relate to traumatic and

heredity induced RLS/PLMS, you will be kept up to date on this study.

Apparently, we will be taught to control our brain waves in an attempt to also

control our sensations. ( Are you listening, those of you that get relief from

concentration?)

Lastly, let me say that most of the previous " venom " I encountered because of

my lack of using the wrong terms to the group were sent privately. If the shoe

fits........

Ed-Cyberphilly