Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 Hi, Gang ... Well, here is my experience with pot and pain: In my personal experience, I have found that pot doesn't stop all pain, only the pain that is caused by cramps or muscle spasms. I tried it when I was in the throes of my neck problems years ago, and it caused me to concentrate on the pain ... not a pleasant experience. Plus, at times it would make me anxious because it would magnify or exaggerate my overall problems ... i.e., financial, lack of ability to work to my capacity, etc., so I stopped using it for that reason. I stopped using it completely for many years, then I decided to try it again a few months ago after being diagnosed with the CMT, and subsequently reading in the CMT literature that marijuana was helping some people. Sure enough ... as I have written before, it is a miracle drug for the pain caused by cramping. I have no idea how it works, but within 15 minutes after smoking the stuff, the pain goes away. Most of the time, I am even pain free the next morning after sleeping like a baby with relaxed foot muscles all night. Now, I'm not talking about getting blotto, or stoned to the limit here either ... only a few puffs on a pipe ... or maybe half a joint. When I had the severe neck pain, I would take pain pills (Talwin & Xanax) and drink booze ... it was the only thing that helped. One of the common threads between " pain people " is that they really learn how to medicate themselves. Of course, most of this medication is not good for you and much of it is really harmful. I mean, even though its very effective, booze, combined with pain medication is downright dangerous ... just ask Betty Ford. I think pot is probably one of the least harmful and safest substances for pain relief in existence ... it has been used for this purpose for over 5000 years. In addition to being a great pain medication, I think its good for depression too. I have also heard of people getting relief from migraines by using pot. When I had the chronic pain support group, we had a member who was in her mid 80's. Her Mexican Gardner would bring her a shopping bag full of marijuana leaves back from his trips from visiting his family in Mexico. She would soak the leaves in alcohol for a week, drain the leaves, then apply the liquid with cotton to her affected areas. She claimed complete relief within seconds. If you could see this poor woman's hands, you would realize what a miracle this was. I'm certainly not recommending it for everyone, though. For one thing, the high is very enjoyable ... I'm the first to admit this. So, if you are one who thinks that enjoying a drug is immoral ... its not for you. Also, you must know and trust your source. Unscrupulous dealers have been known to lace weak, or bad pot with other drugs (like PCP) and sell it as dynamite pot. I have never had an experience like that ... but I have met people who have. Its important to keep your pot use to yourself. I only have one friend who knows that I use pot and he smokes it himself to relieve depression. None of my family members know either ... in fact, I'm sure that they would really look down on the practice. Their drug of choice is money and all the things it can buy. Also, in most places in America the Free, pot is still illegal. In fact, I believe that the illegality is the most dangerous element in pot. I don't mean to get political here, but I have to ask the question ... why is this stuff still illegal, especially as medicine? Even here in California, one must be very careful ... The " authorities " are not giving up their power easily. Prop. 215 (personal medical use) passed in 1996 by an overwhelming majority vote, and yet medicinal pot users are still being harassed and arrested, their growing equipment and plants are confiscated, they are taken to court and run through all the expense of defending themselves (I would just LOVE to be on one of the juries). Not to mention the negative publicity they must face. Things are bending our way on the issue though, especially in communities like San Francisco ... The mayor of San Francisco just came out with medical pot identification cards. If you have a note from your doctor (sounds like high school, doesn't it)? and $25 dollars, you can get an ID card. If you are caught with pot, you simply show the police your ID card and you are let go with no further investigation. Also, in San Francisco and Oakland they have Cannabis clubs where people with the cards and doctor's notes can buy pot. That way, one is assured of purity, quality and reasonable cost. One of the rules the clubs must abide by is, if a person can't pay for the pot, they are given a supply anyway. Also, the pot clubs must be nonprofit organizations. They seem to be more enlightened in Northern California on this issue. Of course, you have to find a doctor who will give you a note ... not too hard to find in San Francisco, I bet ... *lol* Lamar ... if you have read this, I would love your comments on medicinal pot use. I know you used to be a substance abuse councilor ... What is your opinion and/or experience with dealing with folks who use pot for medicine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 I am very glad it works for you but I won't use it no matter how bad my depression gets . The Illegal part is what bothers me. The it's not safe part is another. Needing to be a law abiding citizen and example to my children is another. I also have to be an example to my husband. I do not allow alcohol , cigs or pot in this home period. Your lucky you don't have to worry about Ella. Now my sister would join right in with you and the devil weed. It's just not me.. But like I said I am glad you and a few others have found something that works for you. No one should have to be in pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 I am very glad it works for you but I won't use it no matter how bad my depression gets . The Illegal part is what bothers me. The it's not safe part is another. Needing to be a law abiding citizen and example to my children is another. I also have to be an example to my husband. I do not allow alcohol , cigs or pot in this home period. Your lucky you don't have to worry about Ella. Now my sister would join right in with you and the devil weed. It's just not me.. But like I said I am glad you and a few others have found something that works for you. No one should have to be in pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 HI, ... I understand completely where you are coming from. My ex wife was exactly the same. She was very straight laced and would never use pot for any reason. She thought such things as pot were immoral ... I fail to see the immorality in reducing or eliminating pain. I think it should be legal for medicinal use. There are some who believe that if it were legalized as medicine, it would present a bad example for others. To them, I would say, in that case, let's take all the morphine out of the hospitals and get rid of all other pain medication ... because they must be setting a bad example too. Take care ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 HI, ... I understand completely where you are coming from. My ex wife was exactly the same. She was very straight laced and would never use pot for any reason. She thought such things as pot were immoral ... I fail to see the immorality in reducing or eliminating pain. I think it should be legal for medicinal use. There are some who believe that if it were legalized as medicine, it would present a bad example for others. To them, I would say, in that case, let's take all the morphine out of the hospitals and get rid of all other pain medication ... because they must be setting a bad example too. Take care ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 ... I forgot to ask ... what is your sister's phone number? *lol* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 ... I forgot to ask ... what is your sister's phone number? *lol* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 In a message dated 18/07/00 10:05:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, oregonpapa@... writes: << ... I forgot to ask ... what is your sister's phone number? *lol* >> ROFL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 In a message dated 18/07/00 09:58:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, oregonpapa@... writes: << To them, I would say, in that case, let's take all the morphine out of the hospitals and get rid of all other pain medication ... because they must be setting a bad example too. Take care ... >> People get hooked on RX drugs all the time. My sister had a problem with RX meds. Then she went to street drugs. The paper trail was catching up to her with the meds. No paper work with street drugs. After what she has been through a lil pot is not that big of a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 ... Did you read Jr.'s post? So pathetic ... Its perfectly legal to get completely wiped out on Dr. prescribed drugs and still cry yourself to sleep with the pain, but illegal to smoke a natural herb that takes the pain completely away and makes you smile at the same time. Go figure ... By the way, , how old is your sister? ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 Hi, Lamar ... Thanks for your input re: pot and pain. I am aware that some use the medical excuse as a cop out. I have met a few like that. About Marinol ... First, one must ingest it ... and it takes up to two hours to have full effect. Also, the dose is harder to control by ingestion as opposed to smoking. Then there is the cost of Marinol ... around $700.00 per 100 tabs. Re: your comment that pot should only be used for SEVERE pain ... well, we all have different tolerances. What is severe for one is SEVERE for another ... so who is to be the judge? I honestly feel that it is none of the government's business how we medicate ourselves for pain ... it is OUR pain, not some bureaucrat's pain who resides in a dusty pigeon hole somewhere. Anyway, I am off of almost all other pain meds, booze, etc. I do have occasional flare ups from damaged nerves in my neck and get pains down my arms and into my thumbs and fingers. For that, I take half a Talwin and half a Xanax tab. The pot doesn't work for that pain as its not due to the cramping. Still hurts like Hell though. Peace and Love, Lamar. Geeze, I'm starting to sound like a danged Hippy. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 In a message dated 7/18/2000 10:27:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, oregonpapa@... writes: << enny ... Did you read Jr.'s post? So pathetic ... Its perfectly legal to get completely wiped out on Dr. prescribed drugs and still cry yourself to sleep with the pain, but illegal to smoke a natural herb that takes the pain completely away and makes you smile at the same time. Go figure ... By the way, , how old is your sister? ) >> My sister can get wiped on any drug just ask her.. She is not picky legal or street. She is 40. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 In a message dated 7/18/2000 10:27:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, oregonpapa@... writes: << enny ... Did you read Jr.'s post? So pathetic ... Its perfectly legal to get completely wiped out on Dr. prescribed drugs and still cry yourself to sleep with the pain, but illegal to smoke a natural herb that takes the pain completely away and makes you smile at the same time. Go figure ... By the way, , how old is your sister? ) >> My sister can get wiped on any drug just ask her.. She is not picky legal or street. She is 40. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 I have said many times that I feel cannabis has medical uses for SEVERE pain. I do feel that it should be as a prescribed drug (Marinol) or other means where the quantity and quality is controlled. Also, it is NOT for depression. The brief " high " is usually followed by a " low " . Like alcohol, it is has depressant aspects. While not alluding to you in any way, many that use it for " pain " , do so as a cop out for recreational use. Re: Pot and Pain ... Hi, Gang ... Well, here is my experience with pot and pain: In my personal experience, I have found that pot doesn't stop all pain, only the pain that is caused by cramps or muscle spasms. I tried it when I was in the throes of my neck problems years ago, and it caused me to concentrate on the pain ... not a pleasant experience. Plus, at times it would make me anxious because it would magnify or exaggerate my overall problems ... i.e., financial, lack of ability to work to my capacity, etc., so I stopped using it for that reason. I stopped using it completely for many years, then I decided to try it again a few months ago after being diagnosed with the CMT, and subsequently reading in the CMT literature that marijuana was helping some people. Sure enough ... as I have written before, it is a miracle drug for the pain caused by cramping. I have no idea how it works, but within 15 minutes after smoking the stuff, the pain goes away. Most of the time, I am even pain free the next morning after sleeping like a baby with relaxed foot muscles all night. Now, I'm not talking about getting blotto, or stoned to the limit here either ... only a few puffs on a pipe ... or maybe half a joint. When I had the severe neck pain, I would take pain pills (Talwin & Xanax) and drink booze ... it was the only thing that helped. One of the common threads between " pain people " is that they really learn how to medicate themselves. Of course, most of this medication is not good for you and much of it is really harmful. I mean, even though its very effective, booze, combined with pain medication is downright dangerous ... just ask Betty Ford. I think pot is probably one of the least harmful and safest substances for pain relief in existence ... it has been used for this purpose for over 5000 years. In addition to being a great pain medication, I think its good for depression too. I have also heard of people getting relief from migraines by using pot. When I had the chronic pain support group, we had a member who was in her mid 80's. Her Mexican Gardner would bring her a shopping bag full of marijuana leaves back from his trips from visiting his family in Mexico. She would soak the leaves in alcohol for a week, drain the leaves, then apply the liquid with cotton to her affected areas. She claimed complete relief within seconds. If you could see this poor woman's hands, you would realize what a miracle this was. I'm certainly not recommending it for everyone, though. For one thing, the high is very enjoyable ... I'm the first to admit this. So, if you are one who thinks that enjoying a drug is immoral ... its not for you. Also, you must know and trust your source. Unscrupulous dealers have been known to lace weak, or bad pot with other drugs (like PCP) and sell it as dynamite pot. I have never had an experience like that ... but I have met people who have. Its important to keep your pot use to yourself. I only have one friend who knows that I use pot and he smokes it himself to relieve depression. None of my family members know either ... in fact, I'm sure that they would really look down on the practice. Their drug of choice is money and all the things it can buy. Also, in most places in America the Free, pot is still illegal. In fact, I believe that the illegality is the most dangerous element in pot. I don't mean to get political here, but I have to ask the question ... why is this stuff still illegal, especially as medicine? Even here in California, one must be very careful ... The " authorities " are not giving up their power easily. Prop. 215 (personal medical use) passed in 1996 by an overwhelming majority vote, and yet medicinal pot users are still being harassed and arrested, their growing equipment and plants are confiscated, they are taken to court and run through all the expense of defending themselves (I would just LOVE to be on one of the juries). Not to mention the negative publicity they must face. Things are bending our way on the issue though, especially in communities like San Francisco ... The mayor of San Francisco just came out with medical pot identification cards. If you have a note from your doctor (sounds like high school, doesn't it)? and $25 dollars, you can get an ID card. If you are caught with pot, you simply show the police your ID card and you are let go with no further investigation. Also, in San Francisco and Oakland they have Cannabis clubs where people with the cards and doctor's notes can buy pot. That way, one is assured of purity, quality and reasonable cost. One of the rules the clubs must abide by is, if a person can't pay for the pot, they are given a supply anyway. Also, the pot clubs must be nonprofit organizations. They seem to be more enlightened in Northern California on this issue. Of course, you have to find a doctor who will give you a note ... not too hard to find in San Francisco, I bet ... *lol* Lamar ... if you have read this, I would love your comments on medicinal pot use. I know you used to be a substance abuse councilor ... What is your opinion and/or experience with dealing with folks who use pot for medicine? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 , I agree. I also agree that it's good that it works for them. Jeanie ***************** In a message dated 7/18/00 8:48:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jacee17@... writes: << I am very glad it works for you but I won't use it no matter how bad my depression gets . The Illegal part is what bothers me. The it's not safe part is another. Needing to be a law abiding citizen and example to my children is another. I also have to be an example to my husband. I do not allow alcohol , cigs or pot in this home period. Your lucky you don't have to worry about Ella. Now my sister would join right in with you and the devil weed. It's just not me.. But like I said I am glad you and a few others have found something that works for you. No one should have to be in pain. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 ... Thanks for your input. My understanding is that every balcony in Vancover that is in the sun has a nice crop growing. Lots of growers here in the US get their seeds from BC via mail ... ordered over the Internet. Canadian seeds are a huge business and selling seeds in Canada is legal. Importing them into the US is not legal, however. On the health problems of inhaling .... You can buy a devise that is called a " Vaporizer " through Internet sources. When using a vaporizer, one only inhales the vapors and not the tars .... the divice does the " smoking " for you. If you want the site address for any of this, let me know ... I have done the research. Ella sends a big lick your way ... ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 ... Thanks for your input. My understanding is that every balcony in Vancover that is in the sun has a nice crop growing. Lots of growers here in the US get their seeds from BC via mail ... ordered over the Internet. Canadian seeds are a huge business and selling seeds in Canada is legal. Importing them into the US is not legal, however. On the health problems of inhaling .... You can buy a devise that is called a " Vaporizer " through Internet sources. When using a vaporizer, one only inhales the vapors and not the tars .... the divice does the " smoking " for you. If you want the site address for any of this, let me know ... I have done the research. Ella sends a big lick your way ... ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 ... I feel sorry for your sister ... a good friend of mine lost her brother to herion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 ... I feel sorry for your sister ... a good friend of mine lost her brother to herion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 , That was a great description on the benefits of pot and all the controversy that goes with it. A few years ago I also used it for very severe menstrual cramps and pain. It was the only thing that worked,even the narcotic pain RX my dr. had given me didn't work for the cramps. But as you noticed when you took it for neck pain, it seemed to magnify that type of pain. Same here, I have chronic back pain and it just made me more aware of it , so I didn't like that effect. Like you, I only needed a couple of puffs for the THC to work. I haven't tried it for my foot pain, so don't know if it would help, makes me curious though. I was getting a small amount of pot when I lived in Vancouver, But don't know anyone here that has it, so haven't tried it for my CMT symptoms. I don't think they make a big deal about it in B.C. if you are caught using it for personal use, but they do come down hard if you have a growing operation. Growing marijuana is a very big underground business in B.C., and a lot of it is exported to the U.S. THis was on the news lately, apparently, one house every 10 blocks has an inside growing operation, and they only catch about 10% of them. I don't think that its as addictive as alcohol, but I have heard its very hard on the lungs, and I do believe that , especially if its used often. Several provinces in Canada, including B.C. are trying to get it legalized for medicinal purposes, and in some special cases you can get a Rx for it. It is supposed to really help with the nausea that cancer pts. get from chemotherapy, and gives them their appetite back . So I think it would be good if they legalized if for medicinal purposes. I wouldn't take it for anything other than bad pain though, because I don't like the spaced-out feeling it gives me.(Did help me sleep though.) At 10:43 AM 7/18/2000 EDT, you wrote: >Hi, Gang ... > >Well, here is my experience with pot and pain: In my personal experience, I >have found that pot doesn't stop all pain, only the pain that is caused by >cramps or muscle spasms. I tried it when I was in the throes of my neck >problems years ago, and it caused me to concentrate on the pain ... not a >pleasant experience. Plus, at times it would make me anxious because it would >magnify or exaggerate my overall problems ... i.e., financial, lack of >ability to work to my capacity, etc., so I stopped using it for that reason. >I stopped using it completely for many years, then I decided to try it again >a few months ago after being diagnosed with the CMT, and subsequently reading >in the CMT literature that marijuana was helping some people. Sure enough .... >as I have written before, it is a miracle drug for the pain caused by >cramping. I have no idea how it works, but within 15 minutes after smoking >the stuff, the pain goes away. Most of the time, I am even pain free the next >morning after sleeping like a baby with relaxed foot muscles all night. Now, >I'm not talking about getting blotto, or stoned to the limit here either ... >only a few puffs on a pipe ... or maybe half a joint. When I had the severe >neck pain, I would take pain pills (Talwin & Xanax) and drink booze ... it >was the only thing that helped. One of the common threads between " pain >people " is that they really learn how to medicate themselves. Of course, most >of this medication is not good for you and much of it is really harmful. I >mean, even though its very effective, booze, combined with pain medication is >downright >dangerous ... just ask Betty Ford. I think pot is probably one of the least >harmful and safest substances for pain relief in existence ... it has been >used for this purpose for over 5000 years. In addition to being a great pain >medication, I think its good for depression too. I have also heard of people >getting relief from migraines by using pot. When I had the chronic pain >support group, we had a member who was in her mid 80's. Her Mexican Gardner >would bring her a shopping bag full of marijuana leaves back from his trips >from visiting his family in Mexico. She would soak the leaves in alcohol for >a week, drain the leaves, then apply the liquid with cotton to her affected >areas. She claimed complete relief within seconds. If you could see this poor >woman's hands, you would realize what a miracle this was. I'm certainly not >recommending it for everyone, though. For one thing, the high is very >enjoyable ... I'm the first to admit this. So, if you are one who thinks that >enjoying a drug is immoral ... its not for you. Also, you must know and trust >your source. Unscrupulous dealers have been known to lace weak, or bad pot >with other drugs (like PCP) and sell it as dynamite pot. I have never had an >experience like that ... but I have met people who have. Its important to >keep your pot use to yourself. I only have one friend who knows that I use >pot and he smokes it himself to relieve depression. None of my family members >know either ... in fact, I'm sure that they would really look down on the >practice. Their drug of choice is money and all the things it can buy. Also, >in most places in America the Free, pot is still illegal. In fact, I believe >that the illegality is the most dangerous element in pot. I don't mean to get >political here, but I have to ask the question ... why is this stuff still >illegal, especially as medicine? Even here in California, one must be very >careful ... The " authorities " are not giving up their power easily. Prop. 215 >(personal medical use) passed in 1996 by an overwhelming majority vote, and >yet medicinal pot users are still being harassed and arrested, their growing >equipment and plants are confiscated, they are taken to court and run through >all the expense of defending themselves (I would just LOVE to be on one of >the juries). Not to mention the negative publicity they must face. Things are >bending our way on the issue though, especially in communities like San >Francisco ... The mayor of San Francisco just came out with medical pot >identification cards. If you have a note from your doctor (sounds like high >school, doesn't it)? and $25 dollars, you can get an ID card. If you are >caught with pot, you simply show the police your ID card and you are let go >with no further investigation. Also, in San Francisco and Oakland they have >Cannabis clubs where people with the cards and doctor's notes can buy pot. >That way, one is assured of purity, quality and reasonable cost. One of the >rules the clubs must abide by is, if a person can't pay for the pot, they are >given a supply anyway. Also, the pot clubs must be nonprofit organizations. >They seem to be more enlightened in Northern California on this issue. Of >course, you have to find a doctor who will give you a note ... not too hard >to find in San Francisco, I bet ... *lol* > >Lamar ... if you have read this, I would love your comments on medicinal pot >use. I know you used to be a substance abuse councilor ... What is your >opinion and/or experience with dealing with folks who use pot for medicine? > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Life's too short to send boring email. Let SuperSig come to the rescue. >http://click.egroups.com/1/6809/13/_/616793/_/963931403/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 , That was a great description on the benefits of pot and all the controversy that goes with it. A few years ago I also used it for very severe menstrual cramps and pain. It was the only thing that worked,even the narcotic pain RX my dr. had given me didn't work for the cramps. But as you noticed when you took it for neck pain, it seemed to magnify that type of pain. Same here, I have chronic back pain and it just made me more aware of it , so I didn't like that effect. Like you, I only needed a couple of puffs for the THC to work. I haven't tried it for my foot pain, so don't know if it would help, makes me curious though. I was getting a small amount of pot when I lived in Vancouver, But don't know anyone here that has it, so haven't tried it for my CMT symptoms. I don't think they make a big deal about it in B.C. if you are caught using it for personal use, but they do come down hard if you have a growing operation. Growing marijuana is a very big underground business in B.C., and a lot of it is exported to the U.S. THis was on the news lately, apparently, one house every 10 blocks has an inside growing operation, and they only catch about 10% of them. I don't think that its as addictive as alcohol, but I have heard its very hard on the lungs, and I do believe that , especially if its used often. Several provinces in Canada, including B.C. are trying to get it legalized for medicinal purposes, and in some special cases you can get a Rx for it. It is supposed to really help with the nausea that cancer pts. get from chemotherapy, and gives them their appetite back . So I think it would be good if they legalized if for medicinal purposes. I wouldn't take it for anything other than bad pain though, because I don't like the spaced-out feeling it gives me.(Did help me sleep though.) At 10:43 AM 7/18/2000 EDT, you wrote: >Hi, Gang ... > >Well, here is my experience with pot and pain: In my personal experience, I >have found that pot doesn't stop all pain, only the pain that is caused by >cramps or muscle spasms. I tried it when I was in the throes of my neck >problems years ago, and it caused me to concentrate on the pain ... not a >pleasant experience. Plus, at times it would make me anxious because it would >magnify or exaggerate my overall problems ... i.e., financial, lack of >ability to work to my capacity, etc., so I stopped using it for that reason. >I stopped using it completely for many years, then I decided to try it again >a few months ago after being diagnosed with the CMT, and subsequently reading >in the CMT literature that marijuana was helping some people. Sure enough .... >as I have written before, it is a miracle drug for the pain caused by >cramping. I have no idea how it works, but within 15 minutes after smoking >the stuff, the pain goes away. Most of the time, I am even pain free the next >morning after sleeping like a baby with relaxed foot muscles all night. Now, >I'm not talking about getting blotto, or stoned to the limit here either ... >only a few puffs on a pipe ... or maybe half a joint. When I had the severe >neck pain, I would take pain pills (Talwin & Xanax) and drink booze ... it >was the only thing that helped. One of the common threads between " pain >people " is that they really learn how to medicate themselves. Of course, most >of this medication is not good for you and much of it is really harmful. I >mean, even though its very effective, booze, combined with pain medication is >downright >dangerous ... just ask Betty Ford. I think pot is probably one of the least >harmful and safest substances for pain relief in existence ... it has been >used for this purpose for over 5000 years. In addition to being a great pain >medication, I think its good for depression too. I have also heard of people >getting relief from migraines by using pot. When I had the chronic pain >support group, we had a member who was in her mid 80's. Her Mexican Gardner >would bring her a shopping bag full of marijuana leaves back from his trips >from visiting his family in Mexico. She would soak the leaves in alcohol for >a week, drain the leaves, then apply the liquid with cotton to her affected >areas. She claimed complete relief within seconds. If you could see this poor >woman's hands, you would realize what a miracle this was. I'm certainly not >recommending it for everyone, though. For one thing, the high is very >enjoyable ... I'm the first to admit this. So, if you are one who thinks that >enjoying a drug is immoral ... its not for you. Also, you must know and trust >your source. Unscrupulous dealers have been known to lace weak, or bad pot >with other drugs (like PCP) and sell it as dynamite pot. I have never had an >experience like that ... but I have met people who have. Its important to >keep your pot use to yourself. I only have one friend who knows that I use >pot and he smokes it himself to relieve depression. None of my family members >know either ... in fact, I'm sure that they would really look down on the >practice. Their drug of choice is money and all the things it can buy. Also, >in most places in America the Free, pot is still illegal. In fact, I believe >that the illegality is the most dangerous element in pot. I don't mean to get >political here, but I have to ask the question ... why is this stuff still >illegal, especially as medicine? Even here in California, one must be very >careful ... The " authorities " are not giving up their power easily. Prop. 215 >(personal medical use) passed in 1996 by an overwhelming majority vote, and >yet medicinal pot users are still being harassed and arrested, their growing >equipment and plants are confiscated, they are taken to court and run through >all the expense of defending themselves (I would just LOVE to be on one of >the juries). Not to mention the negative publicity they must face. Things are >bending our way on the issue though, especially in communities like San >Francisco ... The mayor of San Francisco just came out with medical pot >identification cards. If you have a note from your doctor (sounds like high >school, doesn't it)? and $25 dollars, you can get an ID card. If you are >caught with pot, you simply show the police your ID card and you are let go >with no further investigation. Also, in San Francisco and Oakland they have >Cannabis clubs where people with the cards and doctor's notes can buy pot. >That way, one is assured of purity, quality and reasonable cost. One of the >rules the clubs must abide by is, if a person can't pay for the pot, they are >given a supply anyway. Also, the pot clubs must be nonprofit organizations. >They seem to be more enlightened in Northern California on this issue. Of >course, you have to find a doctor who will give you a note ... not too hard >to find in San Francisco, I bet ... *lol* > >Lamar ... if you have read this, I would love your comments on medicinal pot >use. I know you used to be a substance abuse councilor ... What is your >opinion and/or experience with dealing with folks who use pot for medicine? > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Life's too short to send boring email. Let SuperSig come to the rescue. >http://click.egroups.com/1/6809/13/_/616793/_/963931403/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 In a message dated 7/18/2000 5:24:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oregonpapa@... writes: << ... I feel sorry for your sister ... a good friend of mine lost her brother to herion. >> She is doing better now much better. She is nice and fat ,lol jenny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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