Re: church groups, CMT + 'hate'

March 17, 2000

In a message dated 3/17/00 10:07:38 AM Pacific Standard Time,

liliwigg@... writes:

<< Hi , wow, I have had the exact same thing happen. I chalked it up

to " human instinct " , but maybe the church people are 'afraid' of what I

have even though no one asked. I think when people see

'differently-abled' persons, they immediately feel fear - I think this

is fear of what they don't know. What do you think?

Gretchen

>>

I think they don't have time to bother with someone they don't feel is a true

pier. OHH how the church stuff bothers me. In My church you can only wear a

dress. Hows that! I am suposed to feel good about myself in a dress with ulgy

shoes or shoes I can't walk in with no ankles???? Not fare everyone can see

my weaknesses while theres stays hidden. What do you think?

jenny

March 17, 2000

,

I think God does not care what you wear to church as long as you are there

with the spirit of worship, reverence for him, and love. My church was hung

up on clothes for a long time. Strangers would come off the street, see the

way people dress and turn right around and leave. I wear slacks a majority of

the time now and so do many others. Some people wears jeans. My daughter who

has CMT wears " clunky shoes " but who cares. She is there to worship God, not

have people admire her fashion statements. She even has to climb stairs to

get to her sunday School room. I hate to watch her struggle but she gets it

done and now people wait pateintly at the bottom and chat and don't even try

to pass her cause they know if the brush past her too rough, she may tumble.

My daughter and I found some great slips with those linen type ruffles at the

bottom. They go down farther than a mid calf dress. This is a nice way to

cover up the orthotics.

You are all teaching me how to be creative!!

a in Eugene, OR

March 17, 2000

The problen with religion is that people mess it all up. Jesus broke bread

with all the sinners. The Pharisees got mad because he performed a miracle on

the Sabbath. Jesus did acts out of kindness and love. He did NOT give a list

of rules as who could wear what to church, how to kneel, etc. HE knows if you

can kneel but not get back up. He knows what is in your heart and that you

would do that if you could.

Proverbs 15:1 " A gentle answer turns away wrath but a harsh word stirs up

anger. "

Tell them, God understands my problem and loves me even if I can't kneel,

wear fancy shoes, etc.

My heart is aching for you all that have experienced these problems in their

church. Come with me to church. We have people in wheelchairs who can't talk

let alone kneel. WE have senior citizens with walkers and canes, who can't

kneel but bow their heads reverently in prayer, we have my 13 yo daughter who

has tripped up the stairs at the altar, but we love them all anyway and more

importantly, Jesus loves them and died for them too!

I have added you all to my prayer list.

a

March 17, 2000

In a message dated 3/17/2000 7:22:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,

rmax@... writes:

<<

> , what do you think about being told you had your

affliction because of past sins and if you believed enough you would be

healed! Thats what my minister said to me last year and I said BYE!!!!! I

wear dress and AFO's! If they don't like it they can look the other

way!>Becky M. >P.S. if I want to wear pants I will! Or find another church

to attend!

>---------------- >>

Well If this were the case I was a big time sinner and can't even remember

all the fun I had sinning! What a bummer.

March 17, 2000

Re: church groups, CMT + 'hate'

>From: jacee17@...

>

>In a message dated 3/17/00 10:07:38 AM Pacific Standard Time,

>liliwigg@... writes:

>

><< Hi , wow, I have had the exact same thing happen. I chalked it up

> to " human instinct " , but maybe the church people are 'afraid' of what I

> have even though no one asked. I think when people see

> 'differently-abled' persons, they immediately feel fear - I think this

> is fear of what they don't know. What do you think?

>

> Gretchen

> >>

>I think they don't have time to bother with someone they don't feel is a

true

>pier. OHH how the church stuff bothers me. In My church you can only wear a

>dress. Hows that! I am suposed to feel good about myself in a dress with

ulgy

>shoes or shoes I can't walk in with no ankles???? Not fare everyone can see

>my weaknesses while theres stays hidden. What do you think?

>jenny

> , what do you think about being told you had your

affliction because of past sins and if you believed enough you would be

healed! Thats what my minister said to me last year and I said BYE!!!!! I

wear dress and AFO's! If they don't like it they can look the other

way!>Becky M. >P.S. if I want to wear pants I will! Or find another church

to attend!

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March 17, 2000

In a message dated 3/17/2000 8:44:08 PM Pacific Standard Time,

mikerobertac@... writes:

<< My heart is aching for you all that have experienced these problems in

their

church. Come with me to church. We have people in wheelchairs who can't talk

let alone kneel. WE have senior citizens with walkers and canes, who can't

kneel but bow their heads reverently in prayer, we have my 13 yo daughter

who

has tripped up the stairs at the altar, but we love them all anyway and more

importantly, Jesus loves them and died for them too!

I have added you all to my prayer list.

>>

Thank you that is so very nice.

jenny

March 17, 2000

In a message dated 3/17/2000 8:44:08 PM Pacific Standard Time,

mikerobertac@... writes:

<< My heart is aching for you all that have experienced these problems in

their

church. Come with me to church. We have people in wheelchairs who can't talk

let alone kneel. WE have senior citizens with walkers and canes, who can't

kneel but bow their heads reverently in prayer, we have my 13 yo daughter

who

has tripped up the stairs at the altar, but we love them all anyway and more

importantly, Jesus loves them and died for them too!

I have added you all to my prayer list.

>>

Thank you that is so very nice.

jenny

March 17, 2000

In a message dated 3/17/2000 10:31:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,

jallison@... writes:

<< The problems at the churches can only be solved if the pastor and the

church leaders make the necessary policy and/or cultural changes. My priest

once had an elderly parishioner make a complaint the first time a young

acolyte wore sneakers during a procession. The priest promptly informed the

old man that it was more important that the young man be complimented for

participating than be criticized for the type of shoes being worn.

--Jim

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Good point your priest made. I feel the same way. Boy do I have some issues

to deal with. Anyone got a good shrink?

March 17, 2000

Sorry for poking in here----

Praise GOD and the heck with prophets

for profits.

Fast

Wandering Around Virginia

Fast@...

Re: church groups, CMT + 'hate'

> From: mikerobertac@...

>

> The problen with religion is that people mess it all up. Jesus broke bread

>

March 17, 2000

I have been saddened and appalled by the stories of CMT people being

mistreated at church. As I have begun to have more problems walking

smoothly and have become sensitive to being noticed, I know my church is

the safest, most compassionate place I can go in public.

Partly because of the hot weather and partly because of the casual culture

of a desert resort community, the people at my church do not get

discriminatory about the attire of worshipers. In summer, even the ushers

wear golf shirts and slacks though we have a beautiful church with formal,

high liturgy services. While some people wear very dressy clothes all year

long, it is not uncommon to see some members and visitors come to church in

shorts and sandals when it is really hot outside. To make it even more

comfortable for everyone, the church bulletin clearly states that people

may kneel, stand, or sit as they prefer (or are able).

The problems at the churches can only be solved if the pastor and the

church leaders make the necessary policy and/or cultural changes. My priest

once had an elderly parishioner make a complaint the first time a young

acolyte wore sneakers during a procession. The priest promptly informed the

old man that it was more important that the young man be complimented for

participating than be criticized for the type of shoes being worn.

--Jim

March 17, 2000