Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Dr. : as someone who came up through the ranks (NREMT-A 1976-1979, 1981-84, 91B2-F (flight medic) 1980-3), and who worked with many VN combat medics, and in the MAST Program during its heyday (1980-83), I quite understand that mind set. I was also part of a Division Clearing Company as a Field Surgeon (CPT, MC, USAR) 1988-91, and was called up in support of Desert Storm, backfilling at Darnall Army Hospital when the ground conflict was over in 100 hours. Most of the VN medics that I knew had worked in the field under combat conditions and at the Battalion Aid station level or higher levels, receiving wounded. They understood the limitations of air, vehicular and foot evacuation (and made sure to drum those lessons into our tender tails and hard heads!). While some of them might have considered that a Level III center wasn't appropriate for a particular patient, I doubt that they would have painted the facility with that broad a brush...depending on the team working at the facility. I also generally found the medics (both former military and pure civilian) who were " medal conscious " were often *less* likely to call for appropriate diversion to higher level of care, preferring to " shine " on their own, rather than calling for help. " A man has GOT to know his own Limitations! " ck In a message dated 01/10/11 23:28:17 Central Standard Time, phillipsdo@... writes: Just a thought, so probably not really related but... EMS started in the late 60s and early 70s. Many of our early paramedics likely had service time in Korea and/or Vietnam. These were the first conflicts to utilize helicopter evacuation. For these vets, a helicopter meant life for their buddies, even if they died they still didn't die in the bush! The TV show MASH portrayed the battalion aid surgeon as I'll trained, overwhelmed, inept, and likely to die. Is this how the vet subconscience sees a level III or IV trauma center? " By God, if I let them go there they will kill them or let them die! I've got to Evac them! They're counting on me. I might get a medal " I'm sorry if this offends some. I am a vet also. I have worked with several Vietnam vets. All (okay with one exception) were great medics. ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Dr. : as someone who came up through the ranks (NREMT-A 1976-1979, 1981-84, 91B2-F (flight medic) 1980-3), and who worked with many VN combat medics, and in the MAST Program during its heyday (1980-83), I quite understand that mind set. I was also part of a Division Clearing Company as a Field Surgeon (CPT, MC, USAR) 1988-91, and was called up in support of Desert Storm, backfilling at Darnall Army Hospital when the ground conflict was over in 100 hours. Most of the VN medics that I knew had worked in the field under combat conditions and at the Battalion Aid station level or higher levels, receiving wounded. They understood the limitations of air, vehicular and foot evacuation (and made sure to drum those lessons into our tender tails and hard heads!). While some of them might have considered that a Level III center wasn't appropriate for a particular patient, I doubt that they would have painted the facility with that broad a brush...depending on the team working at the facility. I also generally found the medics (both former military and pure civilian) who were " medal conscious " were often *less* likely to call for appropriate diversion to higher level of care, preferring to " shine " on their own, rather than calling for help. " A man has GOT to know his own Limitations! " ck In a message dated 01/10/11 23:28:17 Central Standard Time, phillipsdo@... writes: Just a thought, so probably not really related but... EMS started in the late 60s and early 70s. Many of our early paramedics likely had service time in Korea and/or Vietnam. These were the first conflicts to utilize helicopter evacuation. For these vets, a helicopter meant life for their buddies, even if they died they still didn't die in the bush! The TV show MASH portrayed the battalion aid surgeon as I'll trained, overwhelmed, inept, and likely to die. Is this how the vet subconscience sees a level III or IV trauma center? " By God, if I let them go there they will kill them or let them die! I've got to Evac them! They're counting on me. I might get a medal " I'm sorry if this offends some. I am a vet also. I have worked with several Vietnam vets. All (okay with one exception) were great medics. ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 snip much of an excellent reply. Having been a medical director myself, and having had to fight for my medics in the past, I quite understand where you are coming from. I believe we are probably more in agreement than not. I also agree that EMS needs to grow as a profession and not just as a 'public safety trade,' which, IMHO, where we've been stuck for many years...'neither fish nor fowl nor good red meat' in a system dominated by firefighters and police (and even at the mercy of sanitation workers in some cases!) on one end and nurses on the other...all of whom make substantially more (sometimes even at an entry level) than most experienced paramedics, much less the Basics who are truly the backbone of much of the response around the world. two things I always hated hearing from experienced paramedics who should have known better: " I'm sorry, but I had to do (choose your inappropriate therapy, but most commonly the application of full board) because of mechanism of injury and protocols " and " I don't want to know anymore than I have to...I don't want to be a doctor.... " ck In a message dated 01/11/11 11:31:56 Central Standard Time, phillipsdo@... writes: Unfortunately, some things such as " if they have a head, haul em " or " when in doubt, fly 'em out " die very slowly. Mostly because of the attitude that says, " we've always done it this way so it must be right " or " I can't question anything, I'm not a doctor " . In Texas, I as a medical director bear the burden, but I want my people to push me to read and expand too. Medicine evolves, so should EMS. That is really the purpose of forums such as this. But for any growth to happen, we must know where we came from, be willing to remove the things holding us back, and look in a new direction, test the path and adjust. I apologize if I besmirched any vets. I truly appreciate your service. Sometime, lets have a beer and swap stories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 snip much of an excellent reply. Having been a medical director myself, and having had to fight for my medics in the past, I quite understand where you are coming from. I believe we are probably more in agreement than not. I also agree that EMS needs to grow as a profession and not just as a 'public safety trade,' which, IMHO, where we've been stuck for many years...'neither fish nor fowl nor good red meat' in a system dominated by firefighters and police (and even at the mercy of sanitation workers in some cases!) on one end and nurses on the other...all of whom make substantially more (sometimes even at an entry level) than most experienced paramedics, much less the Basics who are truly the backbone of much of the response around the world. two things I always hated hearing from experienced paramedics who should have known better: " I'm sorry, but I had to do (choose your inappropriate therapy, but most commonly the application of full board) because of mechanism of injury and protocols " and " I don't want to know anymore than I have to...I don't want to be a doctor.... " ck In a message dated 01/11/11 11:31:56 Central Standard Time, phillipsdo@... writes: Unfortunately, some things such as " if they have a head, haul em " or " when in doubt, fly 'em out " die very slowly. Mostly because of the attitude that says, " we've always done it this way so it must be right " or " I can't question anything, I'm not a doctor " . In Texas, I as a medical director bear the burden, but I want my people to push me to read and expand too. Medicine evolves, so should EMS. That is really the purpose of forums such as this. But for any growth to happen, we must know where we came from, be willing to remove the things holding us back, and look in a new direction, test the path and adjust. I apologize if I besmirched any vets. I truly appreciate your service. Sometime, lets have a beer and swap stories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 I didn't do or see nothing I was in the bathroom. Henry Re: (unknown) Doc can we really blame the EMS of old for the fallacies of the 21st Century? Of course we still see the tops bicarb popped off via the Gage method. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... On Jan 10, 2011, at 23:27, " , DO, FACOEP, FACEP " phillipsdo@...> wrote: > Just a thought, so probably not really related but... > > EMS started in the late 60s and early 70s. Many of our early paramedics likely had service time in Korea and/or Vietnam. These were the first conflicts to utilize helicopter evacuation. For these vets, a helicopter meant life for their buddies, even if they died they still didn't die in the bush! > > The TV show MASH portrayed the battalion aid surgeon as I'll trained, overwhelmed, inept, and likely to die. Is this how the vet subconscience sees a level III or IV trauma center? " By God, if I let them go there they will kill them or let them die! I've got to Evac them! They're counting on me. I might get a medal " > > I'm sorry if this offends some. I am a vet also. I have worked with several Vietnam vets. All (okay with one exception) were great medics. > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 I didn't do or see nothing I was in the bathroom. Henry Re: (unknown) Doc can we really blame the EMS of old for the fallacies of the 21st Century? Of course we still see the tops bicarb popped off via the Gage method. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... On Jan 10, 2011, at 23:27, " , DO, FACOEP, FACEP " phillipsdo@...> wrote: > Just a thought, so probably not really related but... > > EMS started in the late 60s and early 70s. Many of our early paramedics likely had service time in Korea and/or Vietnam. These were the first conflicts to utilize helicopter evacuation. For these vets, a helicopter meant life for their buddies, even if they died they still didn't die in the bush! > > The TV show MASH portrayed the battalion aid surgeon as I'll trained, overwhelmed, inept, and likely to die. Is this how the vet subconscience sees a level III or IV trauma center? " By God, if I let them go there they will kill them or let them die! I've got to Evac them! They're counting on me. I might get a medal " > > I'm sorry if this offends some. I am a vet also. I have worked with several Vietnam vets. All (okay with one exception) were great medics. > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 You did a lot of prisoner transfers when you were younger, didn't you Henry? Donn Radioed from the iPhone > I didn't do or see nothing I was in the bathroom. > > Henry >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 You did a lot of prisoner transfers when you were younger, didn't you Henry? Donn Radioed from the iPhone > I didn't do or see nothing I was in the bathroom. > > Henry >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Some of my best friends were prisoners. Henry Re: (unknown) You did a lot of prisoner transfers when you were younger, didn't you Henry? Donn Radioed from the iPhone > I didn't do or see nothing I was in the bathroom. > > Henry >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Some of my best friends were prisoners. Henry Re: (unknown) You did a lot of prisoner transfers when you were younger, didn't you Henry? Donn Radioed from the iPhone > I didn't do or see nothing I was in the bathroom. > > Henry >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Obviously, I worded that poorly. I did not mean to demean anyone. Most of the vets that I worked with in EMS did not serve as medics in the military. That is a trend I am glad to see changing. Most of these guys I see now are VERY confident and excellent medics. Unfortunately, some got their training via ny and Roy and Drs. Pierce and Honeycutt. (I joke that when I was a medic we got CE for watching Emergency! so I wuz part of that group). I also love to pop the tops like ny in the opening! I also feel knowing our past improves us, we just can't continue to live there. Emergency! gave us long on scene times to " stabilize " everyone. MASH showed us that helicopters save lives. Both have some place in medicine. The problem is that it is a moving target. Who, fifteen or twenty years ago, would have believed we would be talking about either getting a pulse back on scene and then transporting or stopping efforts with CPR and leaving them on scene? I never would have said that would be best back then. Unfortunately, some things such as " if they have a head, haul em " or " when in doubt, fly 'em out " die very slowly. Mostly because of the attitude that says, " we've always done it this way so it must be right " or " I can't question anything, I'm not a doctor " . In Texas, I as a medical director bear the burden, but I want my people to push me to read and expand too. Medicine evolves, so should EMS. That is really the purpose of forums such as this. But for any growth to happen, we must know where we came from, be willing to remove the things holding us back, and look in a new direction, test the path and adjust. I apologize if I besmirched any vets. I truly appreciate your service. Sometime, lets have a beer and swap stories. > > Dr. : > > as someone who came up through the ranks (NREMT-A 1976-1979, 1981-84, > 91B2-F (flight medic) 1980-3), and who worked with many VN combat medics, and in > the MAST Program during its heyday (1980-83), I quite understand that mind > set. I was also part of a Division Clearing Company as a Field Surgeon > (CPT, MC, USAR) 1988-91, and was called up in support of Desert Storm, > backfilling at Darnall Army Hospital when the ground conflict was over in 100 > hours. > > Most of the VN medics that I knew had worked in the field under combat > conditions and at the Battalion Aid station level or higher levels, receiving > wounded. They understood the limitations of air, vehicular and foot > evacuation (and made sure to drum those lessons into our tender tails and hard > heads!). > > While some of them might have considered that a Level III center wasn't > appropriate for a particular patient, I doubt that they would have painted the > facility with that broad a brush...depending on the team working at the > facility. > > I also generally found the medics (both former military and pure civilian) > who were " medal conscious " were often *less* likely to call for > appropriate diversion to higher level of care, preferring to " shine " on their own, > rather than calling for help. > > " A man has GOT to know his own Limitations! " > > ck > > > In a message dated 01/10/11 23:28:17 Central Standard Time, > phillipsdo@... writes: > > Just a thought, so probably not really related but... > > EMS started in the late 60s and early 70s. Many of our early paramedics > likely had service time in Korea and/or Vietnam. These were the first > conflicts to utilize helicopter evacuation. For these vets, a helicopter meant > life for their buddies, even if they died they still didn't die in the bush! > > The TV show MASH portrayed the battalion aid surgeon as I'll trained, > overwhelmed, inept, and likely to die. Is this how the vet subconscience sees a > level III or IV trauma center? " By God, if I let them go there they will > kill them or let them die! I've got to Evac them! They're counting on me. I > might get a medal " > > I'm sorry if this offends some. I am a vet also. I have worked with > several Vietnam vets. All (okay with one exception) were great medics. > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Obviously, I worded that poorly. I did not mean to demean anyone. Most of the vets that I worked with in EMS did not serve as medics in the military. That is a trend I am glad to see changing. Most of these guys I see now are VERY confident and excellent medics. Unfortunately, some got their training via ny and Roy and Drs. Pierce and Honeycutt. (I joke that when I was a medic we got CE for watching Emergency! so I wuz part of that group). I also love to pop the tops like ny in the opening! I also feel knowing our past improves us, we just can't continue to live there. Emergency! gave us long on scene times to " stabilize " everyone. MASH showed us that helicopters save lives. Both have some place in medicine. The problem is that it is a moving target. Who, fifteen or twenty years ago, would have believed we would be talking about either getting a pulse back on scene and then transporting or stopping efforts with CPR and leaving them on scene? I never would have said that would be best back then. Unfortunately, some things such as " if they have a head, haul em " or " when in doubt, fly 'em out " die very slowly. Mostly because of the attitude that says, " we've always done it this way so it must be right " or " I can't question anything, I'm not a doctor " . In Texas, I as a medical director bear the burden, but I want my people to push me to read and expand too. Medicine evolves, so should EMS. That is really the purpose of forums such as this. But for any growth to happen, we must know where we came from, be willing to remove the things holding us back, and look in a new direction, test the path and adjust. I apologize if I besmirched any vets. I truly appreciate your service. Sometime, lets have a beer and swap stories. > > Dr. : > > as someone who came up through the ranks (NREMT-A 1976-1979, 1981-84, > 91B2-F (flight medic) 1980-3), and who worked with many VN combat medics, and in > the MAST Program during its heyday (1980-83), I quite understand that mind > set. I was also part of a Division Clearing Company as a Field Surgeon > (CPT, MC, USAR) 1988-91, and was called up in support of Desert Storm, > backfilling at Darnall Army Hospital when the ground conflict was over in 100 > hours. > > Most of the VN medics that I knew had worked in the field under combat > conditions and at the Battalion Aid station level or higher levels, receiving > wounded. They understood the limitations of air, vehicular and foot > evacuation (and made sure to drum those lessons into our tender tails and hard > heads!). > > While some of them might have considered that a Level III center wasn't > appropriate for a particular patient, I doubt that they would have painted the > facility with that broad a brush...depending on the team working at the > facility. > > I also generally found the medics (both former military and pure civilian) > who were " medal conscious " were often *less* likely to call for > appropriate diversion to higher level of care, preferring to " shine " on their own, > rather than calling for help. > > " A man has GOT to know his own Limitations! " > > ck > > > In a message dated 01/10/11 23:28:17 Central Standard Time, > phillipsdo@... writes: > > Just a thought, so probably not really related but... > > EMS started in the late 60s and early 70s. Many of our early paramedics > likely had service time in Korea and/or Vietnam. These were the first > conflicts to utilize helicopter evacuation. For these vets, a helicopter meant > life for their buddies, even if they died they still didn't die in the bush! > > The TV show MASH portrayed the battalion aid surgeon as I'll trained, > overwhelmed, inept, and likely to die. Is this how the vet subconscience sees a > level III or IV trauma center? " By God, if I let them go there they will > kill them or let them die! I've got to Evac them! They're counting on me. I > might get a medal " > > I'm sorry if this offends some. I am a vet also. I have worked with > several Vietnam vets. All (okay with one exception) were great medics. > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 In a message dated 1/11/2011 11:31:56 A.M. Central Standard Time, phillipsdo@... writes: In Texas, I as a medical director bear the burden, but I want my people to push me to read and expand too. Medicine evolves, so should EMS. Ah if only half the Medical Directors, Medics, EMT's, First Responders and Fire Chief's thought in terms like that what a wonderful world it would be. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (Office) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Prayers that they are able to find a donor for Rita. Hugs nne To the world you might be one person, but to one person you just might be the world " " May the Lord Bless you and keep you, May the Lord Make his face shine upon you, and give you Peace...Forever " Breast Cancer Patients Soul Mates for Life http://breastcancerpatientssoulmatesforlife.bravehost.com/ Anxiety Depression and Breast Cancer http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AnxietyDepressionandBreastCancer Angel Feather Loomer www.angelfeatherloomer.blogspot.com The Cancer Club www.cancerclub.com > (unknown) > > > > Rob just told me Rita is signed up for another lung transplant, then he > said > what has to be the cruelest thing I have ever heard *anyone* say...he > said > how many people have to die so my sister can live? " . I don't even know > what > to do with that... > > > > ~*~Hugs~*~ > > ~*~Akiba~*~ > > Pragmatic Visionary > > http://www.affiliates-natural-salt-lamps.com/pages/156.php ____________________________________________________________ TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=if5 Capture screenshots, upload images, edit and send them to your friends through IMs, post on Twitter®, Facebook®, MySpace™, LinkedIn® – FAST! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Well the thing is Rita isn't getting new lungs from a living person, right? After all, Rita isn't KILLING the people for the lungs:) Rob is a nitwit.hugs SharonThis email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. To: mserslife ; wayofthewingedheart Sent: Sat, July 16, 2011 3:51:46 PMSubject: (unknown) Rob just told me Rita is signed up for another lung transplant, then he said what has to be the cruelest thing I have ever heard *anyone* say...he said "how many people have to die so my sister can live?". I don't even know what to do with that...<shakes head in sorrow>   ~*~Hugs~*~ ~*~Akiba~*~ Pragmatic Visionary http://www.affiliates-natural-salt-lamps.com/pages/156.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Why yes, yes he is   ~*~Hugs~*~ ~*~Akiba~*~ Pragmatic Visionary http://www.affiliates-natural-salt-lamps.com/pages/156.php -- (unknown) Rob just told me Rita is signed up for another lung transplant, then he said what has to be the cruelest thing I have ever heard *anyone* say...he said "how many people have to die so my sister can live?". I don't even know what to do with that...<shakes head in sorrow>   ~*~Hugs~*~ ~*~Akiba~*~ Pragmatic Visionary http://www.affiliates-natural-salt-lamps.com/pages/156.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 I will keep Rita in my prays that everything will go well for her. Margaret A. CoteTo: mserslife ; wayofthewingedheart Sent: Sat, July 16, 2011 5:51:46 PMSubject: (unknown) Rob just told me Rita is signed up for another lung transplant, then he said what has to be the cruelest thing I have ever heard *anyone* say...he said "how many people have to die so my sister can live?". I don't even know what to do with that...<shakes head in sorrow>   ~*~Hugs~*~ ~*~Akiba~*~ Pragmatic Visionary http://www.affiliates-natural-salt-lamps.com/pages/156.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 I will keep Rita in my prays that everything will go well for her. Margaret A. CoteTo: mserslife ; wayofthewingedheart Sent: Sat, July 16, 2011 5:51:46 PMSubject: (unknown) Rob just told me Rita is signed up for another lung transplant, then he said what has to be the cruelest thing I have ever heard *anyone* say...he said "how many people have to die so my sister can live?". I don't even know what to do with that...<shakes head in sorrow>   ~*~Hugs~*~ ~*~Akiba~*~ Pragmatic Visionary http://www.affiliates-natural-salt-lamps.com/pages/156.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Thank you   ~*~Hugs~*~ ~*~Akiba~*~ Pragmatic Visionary http://www.affiliates-natural-salt-lamps.com/pages/156.php -- (unknown) Rob just told me Rita is signed up for another lung transplant, then he said what has to be the cruelest thing I have ever heard *anyone* say...he said "how many people have to die so my sister can live?". I don't even know what to do with that...<shakes head in sorrow>   ~*~Hugs~*~ ~*~Akiba~*~ Pragmatic Visionary http://www.affiliates-natural-salt-lamps.com/pages/156.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Thank you   ~*~Hugs~*~ ~*~Akiba~*~ Pragmatic Visionary http://www.affiliates-natural-salt-lamps.com/pages/156.php -- (unknown) Rob just told me Rita is signed up for another lung transplant, then he said what has to be the cruelest thing I have ever heard *anyone* say...he said "how many people have to die so my sister can live?". I don't even know what to do with that...<shakes head in sorrow>   ~*~Hugs~*~ ~*~Akiba~*~ Pragmatic Visionary http://www.affiliates-natural-salt-lamps.com/pages/156.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 He is a piece of work, that Rob...he really is; not more I can say.He is, I'm sorry to say, a psychopath, Akiba.I love you, KateTo: mserslife ; wayofthewingedheart Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 6:51 PMSubject: (unknown) Rob just told me Rita is signed up for another lung transplant, then he said what has to be the cruelest thing I have ever heard *anyone* say...he said "how many people have to die so my sister can live?". I don't even know what to do with that...<shakes head in sorrow>   ~*~Hugs~*~ ~*~Akiba~*~ Pragmatic Visionary http://www.affiliates-natural-salt-lamps.com/pages/156.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 He is a piece of work, that Rob...he really is; not more I can say.He is, I'm sorry to say, a psychopath, Akiba.I love you, KateTo: mserslife ; wayofthewingedheart Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 6:51 PMSubject: (unknown) Rob just told me Rita is signed up for another lung transplant, then he said what has to be the cruelest thing I have ever heard *anyone* say...he said "how many people have to die so my sister can live?". I don't even know what to do with that...<shakes head in sorrow>   ~*~Hugs~*~ ~*~Akiba~*~ Pragmatic Visionary http://www.affiliates-natural-salt-lamps.com/pages/156.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Ayup   ~*~Hugs~*~ ~*~Akiba~*~ Pragmatic Visionary http://www.affiliates-natural-salt-lamps.com/pages/156.php -- (unknown) Rob just told me Rita is signed up for another lung transplant, then he said what has to be the cruelest thing I have ever heard *anyone* say...he said "how many people have to die so my sister can live?". I don't even know what to do with that...<shakes head in sorrow>   ~*~Hugs~*~ ~*~Akiba~*~ Pragmatic Visionary http://www.affiliates-natural-salt-lamps.com/pages/156.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 LOL…ha, ha, ha, now this is priceless! Thanks for the laughs Akiba. Hugs Jackie J From: MSersLife [mailto:MSersLife ] On Behalf Of AkibaSent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 10:21 PMTo: mserslife ; wayofthewingedheart ; robbinorion@...; psychicrob1@...; candykane64@...Subject: (unknown)   ~*~Hugs~*~~*~Akiba~*~Pragmatic Visionaryhttp://www.affiliates-natural-salt-lamps.com/pages/156.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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