Re: RLS: ideas for concentrators

[Guest guest]

ah jill my dear you're not insane but you're certainly very

wacho........now on the other hand i've found a short term solution for my

rls symptoms - since monday i've developed a cold which of course further

devoloped into asthma and bronchitis.......i've been so involved in trying

to find my next breath that my rls symptoms seem to have vitually

disappeared!!!!!!!!

JACK

sunny and 12 degrees in western nys

At 07:47 AM 1/7/99 -0700, you wrote:

>

>

>If you swear you can NOT use concentration to successfully respond to your

>RLS attacks, then please DELETE this before reading it. It'll just

>irritate the heck out of you.

>This letter is for those of you who have been successful using

>concentration and are working on improving your skills with it. It's

>definitely a skill that has to be experimented with and practiced. It

>actually gets easier with practice. I wrote this information to Lee,

>in a private email this morning, but I thought it might help others,

>too...so...here it is.

>-------------

>Yes,...planning for your RLS attack IS necessary. In fact, I find that

>when I go on a driving trip and have my suckers, vibrating seat pad, aroma

>oils, etc....I tend to never need them. But if I DON'T have

>them...YIKES!!! It's also the case that I do worse when I'm staying as a

>guest at someone's house, or if someone else is in the hotel room (like

>kids) and I have to stay still and can't walk around.

>

>Try this one. Set a timer. If you HAVE to get up, do it, but set a timer

>for 20 minutes. Then go back to bed. Use the idea that " even if there's

>still some RLS going on, you've at least knocked the edge off it and you

>might be able to listen to the music or concentrate on something and

>overpower it. " Don't always expect it to be gone. I go to bed MANY

>nights, these days, with RLS attacks in progress, but I just overpower it.

>Note: " overpowering it " is VERY different than " ignoring it " ....or " just

>relaxing with it " . The last two ideas are impossible. In fact, they are

>guaranteed to make it worse. Your brain has to be " yelling louder " or

>concentrating harder than your legs are " yelling " .

>

>The rest of the idea with the timer, is that IF after about five minutes,

>you can't sleep, then get back up, set the timer again, and do the same

>routine (maybe having a cup of Tension Tamer tea).

>Keep up this pattern until you finally get tired of getting out of bed.

>Eventually, you will train your body OUT of the habit of " RLS attacks, then

>I'm up all night " and into the habit of, " RLS attacks...darn it..if I get

>up, I'll just be up, then down, then up then down...might as well just stay

>here and overpower it, now. "

>

>Here's the thing....if your body knows it can keep aggravating you and

>getting you up for the night, then that's the pattern it will go with.

>That's what you've got now. Legs wiggle and you're up for a LONG time.

>But if you just get up for a SHORT time, then back to bed, then up, then

>back to bed, etc...then you're body (whatever is doing the RLS thing)

>eventually weakens and is more manageable. I KNOW that some people in the

>group would tell me I'm insane, but this is a concept that can make sense

>and work for some of us...NOT ALL. It's used with disciplining of

>children. But it has to be done right. If a kid misbehaves and is then

>put in the corner for an hour...that's too long and not effective in terms

>of preventing future problems. But it DOES work if you put the kid in a

> " time out chair " with a timer for 5 min.....then let him go back to

>playing. If he does it again, he goes right back to the chair, but this

>time for 6 minutes...then back to playing, then for 7 min, etc.

>Eventually, it just becomes a nuisance to misbehave at all. The kid will

>think to himself, " If I do this naughty/fun thing, I'll have to go sit in

>that damn chair! It's not worth it. " I swear the body and mind do the same

>thing. Last night, I was driving home, as a passenger, with my daughter

>from Phoenix. Picture a long day of shopping, 11pm, my tailbone is so sore

>I can't hardly sit for some reason, I've got the vibrating heating pad

>going, and my legs start to want to wiggle. I immediately feel it my arms,

>too, and I know it's going to be a full blown panic/RLS attack. I said to

>myself, " JILL!!! Ya know what? If this gets going, you'll have 30 minutes

>of sheer hell going home. Damn it! Don't go there and do that! " At that

>point, instead of worrying about the RLS, I just started getting into a

>heavy conversation with my daughter, rubbing my leg gently, and next thing

>I knew, we were home. A year ago...even six months ago...I would have been

>miserable.

>

>If any of these concentration ideas are going to work, they have to be

>ideas that make sense to you, and fit your kind of thinking. If anything

>here makes sense and helps...use it. If it all seems totally impossible,

>then don't feel badly about it....just keep working at it in your own way.

>It's all hit and miss for a while, but sometimes we get lucky and HIT more

>than we miss.

>Good luck,

>Jill

>

>

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

ah jill my dear you're not insane but you're certainly very

wacho........now on the other hand i've found a short term solution for my

rls symptoms - since monday i've developed a cold which of course further

devoloped into asthma and bronchitis.......i've been so involved in trying

to find my next breath that my rls symptoms seem to have vitually

disappeared!!!!!!!!

JACK

sunny and 12 degrees in western nys

At 07:47 AM 1/7/99 -0700, you wrote:

>

>

>If you swear you can NOT use concentration to successfully respond to your

>RLS attacks, then please DELETE this before reading it. It'll just

>irritate the heck out of you.

>This letter is for those of you who have been successful using

>concentration and are working on improving your skills with it. It's

>definitely a skill that has to be experimented with and practiced. It

>actually gets easier with practice. I wrote this information to Lee,

>in a private email this morning, but I thought it might help others,

>too...so...here it is.

>-------------

>Yes,...planning for your RLS attack IS necessary. In fact, I find that

>when I go on a driving trip and have my suckers, vibrating seat pad, aroma

>oils, etc....I tend to never need them. But if I DON'T have

>them...YIKES!!! It's also the case that I do worse when I'm staying as a

>guest at someone's house, or if someone else is in the hotel room (like

>kids) and I have to stay still and can't walk around.

>

>Try this one. Set a timer. If you HAVE to get up, do it, but set a timer

>for 20 minutes. Then go back to bed. Use the idea that " even if there's

>still some RLS going on, you've at least knocked the edge off it and you

>might be able to listen to the music or concentrate on something and

>overpower it. " Don't always expect it to be gone. I go to bed MANY

>nights, these days, with RLS attacks in progress, but I just overpower it.

>Note: " overpowering it " is VERY different than " ignoring it " ....or " just

>relaxing with it " . The last two ideas are impossible. In fact, they are

>guaranteed to make it worse. Your brain has to be " yelling louder " or

>concentrating harder than your legs are " yelling " .

>

>The rest of the idea with the timer, is that IF after about five minutes,

>you can't sleep, then get back up, set the timer again, and do the same

>routine (maybe having a cup of Tension Tamer tea).

>Keep up this pattern until you finally get tired of getting out of bed.

>Eventually, you will train your body OUT of the habit of " RLS attacks, then

>I'm up all night " and into the habit of, " RLS attacks...darn it..if I get

>up, I'll just be up, then down, then up then down...might as well just stay

>here and overpower it, now. "

>

>Here's the thing....if your body knows it can keep aggravating you and

>getting you up for the night, then that's the pattern it will go with.

>That's what you've got now. Legs wiggle and you're up for a LONG time.

>But if you just get up for a SHORT time, then back to bed, then up, then

>back to bed, etc...then you're body (whatever is doing the RLS thing)

>eventually weakens and is more manageable. I KNOW that some people in the

>group would tell me I'm insane, but this is a concept that can make sense

>and work for some of us...NOT ALL. It's used with disciplining of

>children. But it has to be done right. If a kid misbehaves and is then

>put in the corner for an hour...that's too long and not effective in terms

>of preventing future problems. But it DOES work if you put the kid in a

> " time out chair " with a timer for 5 min.....then let him go back to

>playing. If he does it again, he goes right back to the chair, but this

>time for 6 minutes...then back to playing, then for 7 min, etc.

>Eventually, it just becomes a nuisance to misbehave at all. The kid will

>think to himself, " If I do this naughty/fun thing, I'll have to go sit in

>that damn chair! It's not worth it. " I swear the body and mind do the same

>thing. Last night, I was driving home, as a passenger, with my daughter

>from Phoenix. Picture a long day of shopping, 11pm, my tailbone is so sore

>I can't hardly sit for some reason, I've got the vibrating heating pad

>going, and my legs start to want to wiggle. I immediately feel it my arms,

>too, and I know it's going to be a full blown panic/RLS attack. I said to

>myself, " JILL!!! Ya know what? If this gets going, you'll have 30 minutes

>of sheer hell going home. Damn it! Don't go there and do that! " At that

>point, instead of worrying about the RLS, I just started getting into a

>heavy conversation with my daughter, rubbing my leg gently, and next thing

>I knew, we were home. A year ago...even six months ago...I would have been

>miserable.

>

>If any of these concentration ideas are going to work, they have to be

>ideas that make sense to you, and fit your kind of thinking. If anything

>here makes sense and helps...use it. If it all seems totally impossible,

>then don't feel badly about it....just keep working at it in your own way.

>It's all hit and miss for a while, but sometimes we get lucky and HIT more

>than we miss.

>Good luck,

>Jill

>

>

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Jack,

The same thing happened to me a few weeks ago--that nasty bug that's

knocking everyone in Western NY off! Sure slept well while it was at

it's worst. Better now, still a little cough and sleep problems are

back to " normal. "

--, 52, basking in the WNY January sunshine. (Good thing we ain't

in Buffalo though!)

---Jack or Sue or Jackie goviers@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> ah jill my dear you're not insane but you're certainly very

> wacho........now on the other hand i've found a short term solution

for my

> rls symptoms - since monday i've developed a cold which of course

further

> devoloped into asthma and bronchitis.......i've been so involved in

trying

> to find my next breath that my rls symptoms seem to have vitually

> disappeared!!!!!!!!

>

>

> JACK

> sunny and 12 degrees in western nys

>

>

>

> At 07:47 AM 1/7/99 -0700, you wrote:

> >

> >

> >If you swear you can NOT use concentration to successfully respond

to your

> >RLS attacks, then please DELETE this before reading it. It'll

just

> >irritate the heck out of you.

> >This letter is for those of you who have been successful using

> >concentration and are working on improving your skills with it. It's

> >definitely a skill that has to be experimented with and practiced.

It

> >actually gets easier with practice. I wrote this information to

Lee,

> >in a private email this morning, but I thought it might help others,

> >too...so...here it is.

> >-------------

> >Yes,...planning for your RLS attack IS necessary. In fact, I find

that

> >when I go on a driving trip and have my suckers, vibrating seat

pad, aroma

> >oils, etc....I tend to never need them. But if I DON'T have

> >them...YIKES!!! It's also the case that I do worse when I'm staying

as a

> >guest at someone's house, or if someone else is in the hotel room

(like

> >kids) and I have to stay still and can't walk around.

> >

> >Try this one. Set a timer. If you HAVE to get up, do it, but set

a timer

> >for 20 minutes. Then go back to bed. Use the idea that " even if

there's

> >still some RLS going on, you've at least knocked the edge off it

and you

> >might be able to listen to the music or concentrate on something and

> >overpower it. " Don't always expect it to be gone. I go to bed MANY

> >nights, these days, with RLS attacks in progress, but I just

overpower it.

> >Note: " overpowering it " is VERY different than " ignoring it " ....or

" just

> >relaxing with it " . The last two ideas are impossible. In fact,

they are

> >guaranteed to make it worse. Your brain has to be " yelling louder " or

> >concentrating harder than your legs are " yelling " .

> >

> >The rest of the idea with the timer, is that IF after about five

minutes,

> >you can't sleep, then get back up, set the timer again, and do the

same

> >routine (maybe having a cup of Tension Tamer tea).

> >Keep up this pattern until you finally get tired of getting out of

bed.

> >Eventually, you will train your body OUT of the habit of " RLS

attacks, then

> >I'm up all night " and into the habit of, " RLS attacks...darn it..if

I get

> >up, I'll just be up, then down, then up then down...might as well

just stay

> >here and overpower it, now. "

> >

> >Here's the thing....if your body knows it can keep aggravating you

and

> >getting you up for the night, then that's the pattern it will go

with.

> >That's what you've got now. Legs wiggle and you're up for a LONG

time.

> >But if you just get up for a SHORT time, then back to bed, then up,

then

> >back to bed, etc...then you're body (whatever is doing the RLS thing)

> >eventually weakens and is more manageable. I KNOW that some people

in the

> >group would tell me I'm insane, but this is a concept that can make

sense

> >and work for some of us...NOT ALL. It's used with disciplining of

> >children. But it has to be done right. If a kid misbehaves and is

then

> >put in the corner for an hour...that's too long and not effective

in terms

> >of preventing future problems. But it DOES work if you put the kid

in a

> > " time out chair " with a timer for 5 min.....then let him go back to

> >playing. If he does it again, he goes right back to the chair, but

this

> >time for 6 minutes...then back to playing, then for 7 min, etc.

> >Eventually, it just becomes a nuisance to misbehave at all. The

kid will

> >think to himself, " If I do this naughty/fun thing, I'll have to go

sit in

> >that damn chair! It's not worth it. " I swear the body and mind do

the same

> >thing. Last night, I was driving home, as a passenger, with my

daughter

> >from Phoenix. Picture a long day of shopping, 11pm, my tailbone is

so sore

> >I can't hardly sit for some reason, I've got the vibrating heating

pad

> >going, and my legs start to want to wiggle. I immediately feel it

my arms,

> >too, and I know it's going to be a full blown panic/RLS attack. I

said to

> >myself, " JILL!!! Ya know what? If this gets going, you'll have 30

minutes

> >of sheer hell going home. Damn it! Don't go there and do that! "

At that

> >point, instead of worrying about the RLS, I just started getting

into a

> >heavy conversation with my daughter, rubbing my leg gently, and

next thing

> >I knew, we were home. A year ago...even six months ago...I would

have been

> >miserable.

> >

> >If any of these concentration ideas are going to work, they have to

be

> >ideas that make sense to you, and fit your kind of thinking. If

anything

> >here makes sense and helps...use it. If it all seems totally

impossible,

> >then don't feel badly about it....just keep working at it in your

own way.

> >It's all hit and miss for a while, but sometimes we get lucky and

HIT more

> >than we miss.

> >Good luck,

> >Jill

> >

> >

>

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >

[Guest guest]

Jack,

The same thing happened to me a few weeks ago--that nasty bug that's

knocking everyone in Western NY off! Sure slept well while it was at

it's worst. Better now, still a little cough and sleep problems are

back to " normal. "

--, 52, basking in the WNY January sunshine. (Good thing we ain't

in Buffalo though!)

---Jack or Sue or Jackie goviers@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> ah jill my dear you're not insane but you're certainly very

> wacho........now on the other hand i've found a short term solution

for my

> rls symptoms - since monday i've developed a cold which of course

further

> devoloped into asthma and bronchitis.......i've been so involved in

trying

> to find my next breath that my rls symptoms seem to have vitually

> disappeared!!!!!!!!

>

>

> JACK

> sunny and 12 degrees in western nys

>

>

>

> At 07:47 AM 1/7/99 -0700, you wrote:

> >

> >

> >If you swear you can NOT use concentration to successfully respond

to your

> >RLS attacks, then please DELETE this before reading it. It'll

just

> >irritate the heck out of you.

> >This letter is for those of you who have been successful using

> >concentration and are working on improving your skills with it. It's

> >definitely a skill that has to be experimented with and practiced.

It

> >actually gets easier with practice. I wrote this information to

Lee,

> >in a private email this morning, but I thought it might help others,

> >too...so...here it is.

> >-------------

> >Yes,...planning for your RLS attack IS necessary. In fact, I find

that

> >when I go on a driving trip and have my suckers, vibrating seat

pad, aroma

> >oils, etc....I tend to never need them. But if I DON'T have

> >them...YIKES!!! It's also the case that I do worse when I'm staying

as a

> >guest at someone's house, or if someone else is in the hotel room

(like

> >kids) and I have to stay still and can't walk around.

> >

> >Try this one. Set a timer. If you HAVE to get up, do it, but set

a timer

> >for 20 minutes. Then go back to bed. Use the idea that " even if

there's

> >still some RLS going on, you've at least knocked the edge off it

and you

> >might be able to listen to the music or concentrate on something and

> >overpower it. " Don't always expect it to be gone. I go to bed MANY

> >nights, these days, with RLS attacks in progress, but I just

overpower it.

> >Note: " overpowering it " is VERY different than " ignoring it " ....or

" just

> >relaxing with it " . The last two ideas are impossible. In fact,

they are

> >guaranteed to make it worse. Your brain has to be " yelling louder " or

> >concentrating harder than your legs are " yelling " .

> >

> >The rest of the idea with the timer, is that IF after about five

minutes,

> >you can't sleep, then get back up, set the timer again, and do the

same

> >routine (maybe having a cup of Tension Tamer tea).

> >Keep up this pattern until you finally get tired of getting out of

bed.

> >Eventually, you will train your body OUT of the habit of " RLS

attacks, then

> >I'm up all night " and into the habit of, " RLS attacks...darn it..if

I get

> >up, I'll just be up, then down, then up then down...might as well

just stay

> >here and overpower it, now. "

> >

> >Here's the thing....if your body knows it can keep aggravating you

and

> >getting you up for the night, then that's the pattern it will go

with.

> >That's what you've got now. Legs wiggle and you're up for a LONG

time.

> >But if you just get up for a SHORT time, then back to bed, then up,

then

> >back to bed, etc...then you're body (whatever is doing the RLS thing)

> >eventually weakens and is more manageable. I KNOW that some people

in the

> >group would tell me I'm insane, but this is a concept that can make

sense

> >and work for some of us...NOT ALL. It's used with disciplining of

> >children. But it has to be done right. If a kid misbehaves and is

then

> >put in the corner for an hour...that's too long and not effective

in terms

> >of preventing future problems. But it DOES work if you put the kid

in a

> > " time out chair " with a timer for 5 min.....then let him go back to

> >playing. If he does it again, he goes right back to the chair, but

this

> >time for 6 minutes...then back to playing, then for 7 min, etc.

> >Eventually, it just becomes a nuisance to misbehave at all. The

kid will

> >think to himself, " If I do this naughty/fun thing, I'll have to go

sit in

> >that damn chair! It's not worth it. " I swear the body and mind do

the same

> >thing. Last night, I was driving home, as a passenger, with my

daughter

> >from Phoenix. Picture a long day of shopping, 11pm, my tailbone is

so sore

> >I can't hardly sit for some reason, I've got the vibrating heating

pad

> >going, and my legs start to want to wiggle. I immediately feel it

my arms,

> >too, and I know it's going to be a full blown panic/RLS attack. I

said to

> >myself, " JILL!!! Ya know what? If this gets going, you'll have 30

minutes

> >of sheer hell going home. Damn it! Don't go there and do that! "

At that

> >point, instead of worrying about the RLS, I just started getting

into a

> >heavy conversation with my daughter, rubbing my leg gently, and

next thing

> >I knew, we were home. A year ago...even six months ago...I would

have been

> >miserable.

> >

> >If any of these concentration ideas are going to work, they have to

be

> >ideas that make sense to you, and fit your kind of thinking. If

anything

> >here makes sense and helps...use it. If it all seems totally

impossible,

> >then don't feel badly about it....just keep working at it in your

own way.

> >It's all hit and miss for a while, but sometimes we get lucky and

HIT more

> >than we miss.

> >Good luck,

> >Jill

> >

> >

>

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >

[Guest guest]

Jill, however did you know!! Last night, or I should say this morning at 2

AM I woke up and went to the loo. Back in bed the old legs started. I lay

there for a few minutes thrashing about before I flung back the covers and

sat up. What can I do I thought. Well my bedside table was a mess so I got

up, methodically looked over all the trash, put stuff away, pitched out the

rest and retrieved a sponge and cleaner from the bathroom. I cleaned the

table top, the radio, the phone, the control for my mattress warmer etc. By

then I'd eaten up about 15-20 minutes. After putting the sponge and cleaner

back in the cabinet I returned to bed, turned off the light and snuggled

under the comforter. The next thing I knew it was 6:30AM and time to get

up. So it does work. There have been times when I've cleaned the entire

bathroom in the middle of the night and returned to bed to sleep soundly.

As for the fidgets in the car...........I'll have to work on that.

CHEERS!

Jeanne and Mr. Biggles in Poultney, VT

[Guest guest]

Jill, however did you know!! Last night, or I should say this morning at 2

AM I woke up and went to the loo. Back in bed the old legs started. I lay

there for a few minutes thrashing about before I flung back the covers and

sat up. What can I do I thought. Well my bedside table was a mess so I got

up, methodically looked over all the trash, put stuff away, pitched out the

rest and retrieved a sponge and cleaner from the bathroom. I cleaned the

table top, the radio, the phone, the control for my mattress warmer etc. By

then I'd eaten up about 15-20 minutes. After putting the sponge and cleaner

back in the cabinet I returned to bed, turned off the light and snuggled

under the comforter. The next thing I knew it was 6:30AM and time to get

up. So it does work. There have been times when I've cleaned the entire

bathroom in the middle of the night and returned to bed to sleep soundly.

As for the fidgets in the car...........I'll have to work on that.

CHEERS!

Jeanne and Mr. Biggles in Poultney, VT

[Guest guest]

jeanne and mr biggles - we don't live all that far from one

another......why don't you pay us a visit sometime??? oh by the way the

downstairs needs to be vacuumed and dusted and the 3 bedrooms could use new

paint......see you soon!!!!!

JACK

freezing my butt off in western nys with snow on the way tomorrow

At 09:56 PM 1/7/99 -0500, you wrote:

>

>

>Jill, however did you know!! Last night, or I should say this morning at 2

>AM I woke up and went to the loo. Back in bed the old legs started. I lay

>there for a few minutes thrashing about before I flung back the covers and

>sat up. What can I do I thought. Well my bedside table was a mess so I got

>up, methodically looked over all the trash, put stuff away, pitched out the

>rest and retrieved a sponge and cleaner from the bathroom. I cleaned the

>table top, the radio, the phone, the control for my mattress warmer etc. By

>then I'd eaten up about 15-20 minutes. After putting the sponge and cleaner

>back in the cabinet I returned to bed, turned off the light and snuggled

>under the comforter. The next thing I knew it was 6:30AM and time to get

>up. So it does work. There have been times when I've cleaned the entire

>bathroom in the middle of the night and returned to bed to sleep soundly.

>

>As for the fidgets in the car...........I'll have to work on that.

>

>CHEERS!

>

>Jeanne and Mr. Biggles in Poultney, VT

>

>

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

jeanne and mr biggles - we don't live all that far from one

another......why don't you pay us a visit sometime??? oh by the way the

downstairs needs to be vacuumed and dusted and the 3 bedrooms could use new

paint......see you soon!!!!!

JACK

freezing my butt off in western nys with snow on the way tomorrow

At 09:56 PM 1/7/99 -0500, you wrote:

>

>

>Jill, however did you know!! Last night, or I should say this morning at 2

>AM I woke up and went to the loo. Back in bed the old legs started. I lay

>there for a few minutes thrashing about before I flung back the covers and

>sat up. What can I do I thought. Well my bedside table was a mess so I got

>up, methodically looked over all the trash, put stuff away, pitched out the

>rest and retrieved a sponge and cleaner from the bathroom. I cleaned the

>table top, the radio, the phone, the control for my mattress warmer etc. By

>then I'd eaten up about 15-20 minutes. After putting the sponge and cleaner

>back in the cabinet I returned to bed, turned off the light and snuggled

>under the comforter. The next thing I knew it was 6:30AM and time to get

>up. So it does work. There have been times when I've cleaned the entire

>bathroom in the middle of the night and returned to bed to sleep soundly.

>

>As for the fidgets in the car...........I'll have to work on that.

>

>CHEERS!

>

>Jeanne and Mr. Biggles in Poultney, VT

>

>

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Sure Jack, just as soon as there's an apple harvest in March!!!!!!

FOTFLMAO!!!!!

CHEERS!!

Jeanne and Mr. Biggles in Poultney VT