Guest guest Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 I found a list of low, medium, high oxalates at www.branwen.com/rowan/oxalate.htm Unfortunately " Almonds " was not on their list although " Pecans " was listed as " High " and " Coconut " , " Low. " Does anyone know if almonds are considered " High " ? If so, I will try making some changes in my son's diet. Beth Bivens-Kirkland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 Almonds are considered " Extremely High " , and should definitely be avoided if oxalates are an issue. It is thought that oxalates are an issue if someone has a leaky gut, because the body absorbs more oxalates than what is normally absorbed. HTH Marilyn leaky gut, low thyroid/adrenal, SCD 7 weeks oxalates >I found a list of low, medium, high oxalates at >www.branwen.com/rowan/oxalate.htm > > Unfortunately " Almonds " was not on their list although " Pecans " was listed > as " High " and " Coconut " , " Low. " Does anyone know if almonds are > considered " High " ? If so, I will try making some changes in my son's > diet. > Beth Bivens-Kirkland > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 Sounds like feeding my ASD son almond nut yogurt and baked goodies made with almond flour is not necessarily the best way to go after all. Beth Bivens oxalates >I found a list of low, medium, high oxalates at >www.branwen.com/rowan/oxalate.htm > > Unfortunately " Almonds " was not on their list although " Pecans " was listed > as " High " and " Coconut " , " Low. " Does anyone know if almonds are > considered " High " ? If so, I will try making some changes in my son's > diet. > Beth Bivens-Kirkland > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 Hi Marilyn and Beth, Medical research shows that excess oxalates are produced by a fungi in the colon. That fungi,Aspergillus niger,survives in the colon when there are disaccarides and other SCD illegal sugars. If we eliminate these harmful sugars with SCD,then the fungi cannot survive in the colon. It is not necsessary to combine SCD with the low oxalate diet IF you do SCD correctly. A website was made to discuss the oxalate issue and SCD. It explains how to get the benfits of low oxalates without having to combine both diets. Since combining both diets is so difficult,it is very important for parents to read this website before combining both diets. Those who want to read the website can write to me and I will send them the link. Mimi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 Mimi, Would you send the link? I'm guessing that many parents, including me, would be interested. Many thanks, Marilyn leaky gut, low thyroid, adrenal fatigue, fuzzy thinking, you name it, SCD 7 weeks Re: oxalates > Hi Marilyn and Beth, > > Medical research shows that excess oxalates are produced by a fungi > in the colon. That fungi,Aspergillus niger,survives in the colon > when there are disaccarides and other SCD illegal sugars. If we > eliminate these harmful sugars with SCD,then the fungi cannot > survive in the colon. > > It is not necsessary to combine SCD with the low oxalate diet IF you > do SCD correctly. A website was made to discuss the oxalate issue > and SCD. It explains how to get the benfits of low oxalates without > having to combine both diets. Since combining both diets is so > difficult,it is very important for parents to read this website > before combining both diets. > > Those who want to read the website can write to me and I will send > them the link. > > Mimi > > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following > websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 Thank you Mimi. I'm sticking to SCD only but I am going to lighten up my use of the almonds and add more vegies, meat & fruit. Beth Re: oxalates Hi Marilyn and Beth, Medical research shows that excess oxalates are produced by a fungi in the colon. That fungi,Aspergillus niger,survives in the colon when there are disaccarides and other SCD illegal sugars. If we eliminate these harmful sugars with SCD,then the fungi cannot survive in the colon. It is not necsessary to combine SCD with the low oxalate diet IF you do SCD correctly. A website was made to discuss the oxalate issue and SCD. It explains how to get the benfits of low oxalates without having to combine both diets. Since combining both diets is so difficult,it is very important for parents to read this website before combining both diets. Those who want to read the website can write to me and I will send them the link. Mimi For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 > > I found a list of low, medium, high oxalates at www.branwen.com/rowan/oxalate.htm > > Unfortunately " Almonds " was not on their list although " Pecans " was listed as " High " and " Coconut " , " Low. " Does anyone know if almonds are considered " High " ? If so, I will try making some changes in my son's diet. > Beth Bivens-Kirkland > This is my personal opinion and may or may not reflect the POV of the moderators and founder of pecanbread. Just before I started SCD and could hardly eat without getting ill, I downloaded an online book by a UK woman named Sharla Race, from the internet. It listed twelve possible food allergy groups. So not only could I not eat much, I became convinced that I had to avoid many, many foods and this was not true that whatever I could eat was not good for me. I had also gotten myself an Epi-pen, convinced I wmight go into anaphylactic shock. Allergy testing turned up zero, zilch, nothing but a dust mite allergy. After a few weeks on SCD I was tolerating, cheese, eggs, yogurt, nuts and many fruits and vegetables. I notice when we are ill, there is a great fear and preoccupation with possible food allergies. Healing can eliminate sensitivities often. . There are true allergies and in such case the offending food should be avoided completely. For me it is a small group of foods cross reactive to Latex Allergy and trying little bits at intervals hasn't changed conmsistent negative reactions. I have made eadaquate substitutions: example-pears for apples squash for carrots I was scared of peanuts, coconut, broccoli, spinach and rhubarb (oxalic acid), egg whites (albumin), grape juice (sulfites) dried fruit (sulpher). Turns out one of the only current " iffy " items now is chicken and that doesn't hold for ornaginc so it may be the hormone, anti biotic and grain feed. Elaine used to say pursuing a lot of these food sensitivities was like looking for a needle in a haystack ( My thinking I had so many allergies made me quite resentful of her at first.) A year later we were both laughing and sharing a nice meal containing many of my old bugaboos. Carol F. Toronto, Celiac, SCD 5 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 > > I found a list of low, medium, high oxalates at www.branwen.com/rowan/oxalate.htm > > Unfortunately " Almonds " was not on their list although " Pecans " was listed as " High " and " Coconut " , " Low. " Does anyone know if almonds are considered " High " ? If so, I will try making some changes in my son's diet. > Beth Bivens-Kirkland > This is my personal opinion and may or may not reflect the POV of the moderators and founder of pecanbread. Just before I started SCD and could hardly eat without getting ill, I downloaded an online book by a UK woman named Sharla Race, from the internet. It listed twelve possible food allergy groups. So not only could I not eat much, I became convinced that I had to avoid many, many foods and this was not true that whatever I could eat was not good for me. I had also gotten myself an Epi-pen, convinced I wmight go into anaphylactic shock. Allergy testing turned up zero, zilch, nothing but a dust mite allergy. After a few weeks on SCD I was tolerating, cheese, eggs, yogurt, nuts and many fruits and vegetables. I notice when we are ill, there is a great fear and preoccupation with possible food allergies. Healing can eliminate sensitivities often. . There are true allergies and in such case the offending food should be avoided completely. For me it is a small group of foods cross reactive to Latex Allergy and trying little bits at intervals hasn't changed consistent negative reactions. Fortunately there are simple substitutions:example-pears for apples-squash for carrots I was scared of peanuts, coconut, broccoli, spinach and rhubarb (oxalic acid), egg whites (albumin), grape juice (sulfites) dried fruit (sulpher). Turns out one of the only current " iffy " items now is chicken and that doesn't hold for organic so it may be the hormone, anti biotic and grain feed. Elaine used to say pursuing a lot of these food sensitivities was like looking for a needle in a haystack ( My thinking I had so many allergies made me quite resentful of her at first.) A year later we were both laughing and sharing a nice meal containing many of my old bugaboos. We haven't investigated the oxalate connection thorughly and until mor e definitive and conclusive information is available, I hope it is left out of the discussion mix on this board until it can be dealt with scientifically. Some asd on the LOD have gotten pretty sick according to an email I recived this morning. And it reminds me of people who wanted to combine ASCD with GFCF and include starch. Carol F. Toronto, Celiac, SCD 5 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 Hi, > Medical research shows that excess oxalates are produced by a fungi > in the colon. That fungi,Aspergillus niger,survives in the colon > when there are disaccarides and other SCD illegal sugars. If we > eliminate these harmful sugars with SCD,then the fungi cannot > survive in the colon. > That is not the only way one can have a problem with oxalates. Yes, they can be produced in the body (gut critters and otherwise) but for some people, food sources can be an issue as well. My son is one of them. > It is not necsessary to combine SCD with the low oxalate diet IF you > do SCD correctly. This may be true for SOME people - however, I am leary of such a blanket-type statement... A website was made to discuss the oxalate issue > and SCD. It explains how to get the benfits of low oxalates without > having to combine both diets. Since combining both diets is so > difficult,it is very important for parents to read this website > before combining both diets. > Looking forward to reading that..thank you for offering the link. :-) I can pass on only what has happened in our house. We are in the ninth month our second SCD trial (a trial last year resulted in NO change at all regarding gut function - yes, " legality " in all things, supps included). However, after nearly a year of dietary intervention (was GFCFSFCFYFSF, organic, Feingold, low phenol/salicilyte, 'naturals', etc), my son still had a horrible ION profile (malabsorption), 39 IgG reactive foods, and bad levels of anaerobic gut bugs. It was this last bit that got me to trial SCD again - this time allotting for those intolerances (many of which were high in oxalates, btw...). We are SCD no casein, no nuts, no seeds, no beans, no citrus, limited fruits and honey. Marked improvement in [gut] this time around!! I removed the rest of the oxalates in Glenn's diet at the beginning of August after reading more about LOD (along with intro of LDN and NDF+). His gut function has been totally normal consistently for the first time in his life since mid-sept. However, he does miss certain foods...as a " treat " for him on Thanksgiving, I made him (SCD-legal) spinach souffle`. It is the ONLY high oxalate food he has had since 8/1/05. He reacted later that day (rash, irritability, pain upon urination, loose stool). I won't beat a dead horse (too much, lol); just wanted to mention that for SOME families (of which we are one) removing the oxalates from the diet does indeed make a very large difference. We are lucky that my son is not a fussy eater, so it is not a difficult omission when we consider the payoff. -christine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 > > > > Hi, > > > > Medical research shows that excess oxalates are produced by a fungi > > in the colon. That fungi,Aspergillus niger,survives in the colon > > when there are disaccarides and other SCD illegal sugars. If we > > eliminate these harmful sugars with SCD,then the fungi cannot > > survive in the colon. > > I won't beat a dead horse (too much, lol); just wanted to mention that > for SOME families (of which we are one) removing the oxalates from the > diet does indeed make a very large difference. It's not a dead horse just not living here yet until we get a better handle on more research regarding SCD, gut bugs, and oxalates before changing existing SCD protocols. Our FAQs do not include discussions of other diets and protocols on this list but there are other places to learn more about them and participate in such discussions and I encourage those that are interested to do so. Elaine established a research foundation and hopefully someday we can run appropriate tests. So I urge everyone to support her foundation; People who want to donate to the foundation will find the link on ; www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info Carol F. Toronto, Celiac, SCD 5 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 Carol, I agree with you that a detailed discussion of oxalates is not appropriate on this board. For those that wish to learn about it in detail, there is the yahoo group " Trying Low Oxalates " , where the discussions are appropriately detailed. The group is led by one of the folks that participates in the research on this, Owens, and so list members can learn about it as the research happens. They do not pretend to know all the answers at this point. Marilyn leaky gut, low thyroid/adrenals, SCD 7 weeks Re: oxalates > >> >> I found a list of low, medium, high oxalates at >> www.branwen.com/rowan/oxalate.htm >> >> Unfortunately " Almonds " was not on their list although " Pecans " was >> listed as " High " and > " Coconut " , " Low. " Does anyone know if almonds are considered " High " ? If > so, I will try > making some changes in my son's diet. >> Beth Bivens-Kirkland >> > This is my personal opinion and may or may not reflect the POV of the > moderators and > founder of pecanbread. > > Just before I started SCD and could hardly eat without getting ill, I > downloaded an online > book by a UK woman named Sharla Race, from the internet. It listed twelve > possible food > allergy groups. So not only could I not eat much, I became convinced that > I had to avoid > many, many foods and this was not true that whatever I could eat was not > good for me. I > had also gotten myself an Epi-pen, convinced I wmight go into anaphylactic > shock. > > Allergy testing turned up zero, zilch, nothing but a dust mite allergy. > > After a few weeks on SCD I was tolerating, cheese, eggs, yogurt, nuts and > many fruits and > vegetables. I notice when we are ill, there is a great fear and > preoccupation with possible > food allergies. Healing can eliminate sensitivities often. . > > There are true allergies and in such case the offending food should be > avoided completely. > For me it is a small group of foods cross reactive to Latex Allergy and > trying little bits at > intervals hasn't changed consistent negative reactions. Fortunately there > are simple > substitutions:example-pears for apples-squash for carrots > > I was scared of peanuts, coconut, broccoli, spinach and rhubarb (oxalic > acid), egg whites > (albumin), grape juice (sulfites) dried fruit (sulpher). Turns out one of > the only current " iffy " > items now is chicken and that doesn't hold for organic so it may be the > hormone, anti > biotic and grain feed. > > Elaine used to say pursuing a lot of these food sensitivities was like > looking for a needle in > a haystack ( My thinking I had so many allergies made me quite resentful > of her at first.) > A year later we were both laughing and sharing a nice meal containing > many of my old > bugaboos. > > We haven't investigated the oxalate connection thorughly and until mor e > definitive and > conclusive information is available, I hope it is left out of the > discussion mix on this board > until it can be dealt with scientifically. Some asd on the LOD have gotten > pretty sick > according to an email I recived this morning. And it reminds me of people > who wanted to > combine ASCD with GFCF and include starch. > > Carol F. > Toronto, Celiac, SCD 5 years > > > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following > websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 I have to say, from personal experience, that my youngest son does not tolerate anything SCD legal that is in the High oxylate column, after looking at that list for the first time just now. I am so tired of trying to figure out what he can and can't eat, along with what he WILL eat that I just feed him anything SCD legal as long as it's cooked well and peeled. I avoid fruits I know he doesn't tolerate but his veggie intake is so limited that I give him broccoli, green beans and squash even though I know he does not tolerate them, but he loves them. He gets green D when he eats them but what else do I do? He is not improving at all and hasn't for a long time but I can't see putting him back on a starch diet. I am at my wits end, really, but what else is there for him? If I eliminate those foods he'll be eating ripe banana (which I suspect isn't tolerated all that well either), applesauce (from golden delicious apples only), cauliflower, carrots, meat and cheese. That would be it. He doesn't tolerate eggs, berries, citrus, honey, purple grapes or large amounts of almond flour or pretty much anything that has a vibrant color - maybe oxylates and salicylates? Oh and maybe sulpher foods either - eggs definitely a no no. I really don't know for sure. The good news is he's growing remarkably well (very tall for age), is at a great weight (solid as a rock yet slender and no bloated belly), is happy, developing normally, skin and coloring looks great... but his stools are far from normal and don't seem to be improving. Robbie age 5 UC scd since 6/04 doing fantastic!! age 2 celiac? from immunization damage scd since 6/04 lots of food sensitivities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 Mimi, I am interested in the link. Thanks, ( 4 yrs old, ASD, SCD 2 months) Re: oxalates Hi Marilyn and Beth, Medical research shows that excess oxalates are produced by a fungi in the colon. That fungi,Aspergillus niger,survives in the colon when there are disaccarides and other SCD illegal sugars. If we eliminate these harmful sugars with SCD,then the fungi cannot survive in the colon. It is not necsessary to combine SCD with the low oxalate diet IF you do SCD correctly. A website was made to discuss the oxalate issue and SCD. It explains how to get the benfits of low oxalates without having to combine both diets. Since combining both diets is so difficult,it is very important for parents to read this website before combining both diets. Those who want to read the website can write to me and I will send them the link. Mimi For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 I suggest you join the " Trying Low Oxalates " list. Many of the parents there have similar problems. Many have seen improvement adding low oxalate to their diet. For squash, you might try the acorn squash - it is low oxalate. Watermelon and apples are also low oxalate. HTH Marilyn leaky gut, low thyroid/adrenals, SCD 7 weeks Re: oxalates >I have to say, from personal experience, that my youngest son does not > tolerate anything SCD legal that is in the High oxylate column, after > looking at that list for the first time just now. I am so tired of trying > to figure out what he can and can't eat, along with what he WILL eat that > I > just feed him anything SCD legal as long as it's cooked well and peeled. > I > avoid fruits I know he doesn't tolerate but his veggie intake is so > limited > that I give him broccoli, green beans and squash even though I know he > does > not tolerate them, but he loves them. He gets green D when he eats them > but what else do I do? > > He is not improving at all and hasn't for a long time but I can't see > putting him back on a starch diet. I am at my wits end, really, but what > else is there for him? If I eliminate those foods he'll be eating ripe > banana (which I suspect isn't tolerated all that well either), applesauce > (from golden delicious apples only), cauliflower, carrots, meat and > cheese. > That would be it. He doesn't tolerate eggs, berries, citrus, honey, purple > grapes or large amounts of almond flour or pretty much anything that has a > vibrant color - maybe oxylates and salicylates? Oh and maybe sulpher > foods > either - eggs definitely a no no. I really don't know for sure. The good > news is he's growing remarkably well (very tall for age), is at a great > weight (solid as a rock yet slender and no bloated belly), is happy, > developing normally, skin and coloring looks great... but his stools are > far from normal and don't seem to be improving. > > Robbie > age 5 UC scd since 6/04 doing fantastic!! > age 2 celiac? from immunization damage scd since 6/04 lots of > food > sensitivities > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following > websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 Mimi, Again, I would love to have the link. However, I would still encourage parents who might have reason to believe that oxalates are an issue, to check into the " Trying Low Oxalates " list, since many of those parents believe they were doing SCD correctly, but didn't see improvement until they lowered oxalates. There is quite a bit of complexity when it comes to oxalates and their chemistry in the body, and it may be helpful to many parents to increase their awareness. Marilyn leaky gut, low thyroid/adrenals, SCD 7 weeks Re: oxalates > > > Hi Marilyn and Beth, > > Medical research shows that excess oxalates are produced by a fungi > in the colon. That fungi,Aspergillus niger,survives in the colon > when there are disaccarides and other SCD illegal sugars. If we > eliminate these harmful sugars with SCD,then the fungi cannot > survive in the colon. > > It is not necsessary to combine SCD with the low oxalate diet IF you > do SCD correctly. A website was made to discuss the oxalate issue > and SCD. It explains how to get the benfits of low oxalates without > having to combine both diets. Since combining both diets is so > difficult,it is very important for parents to read this website > before combining both diets. > > Those who want to read the website can write to me and I will send > them the link. > > Mimi > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following > websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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