Re: constipation Re: Introducing nut butter/flour

[Guest guest]

hi sheila

kais constipation is bad at the moment but is clearly linked to die off - hurah

- at least i know now

all they are eating today is meats, carrots, zucchinni, avocado, duck/goose fat,

i hope to add in squash at the end of the week

what i am concerned about because his bowels are sluggish anyway, how can i tell

if more fibrous foods will cause a problem, if he is already constipated due to

die off - we are up to a teaspoon of nut yogurt a day?

will it show in another way do you think?

i am adding in magnesium tomorrow to try and help him get things moving

thank you

emma

Sheila Trenholm sheilat@...> wrote:

Hi Aileen,

> I took the sprouts out for over a week but Cian didn't improve. I

> just introduced the broccoli (he has only had it once and today)

so I

> don't think it is the culprit for the constipation I mean.

>

> celery and onion s are in the soup and blended so it is just juice

> really - Would they be still a problem in this way?

Yes, they could be.

> I introduced a tiny little bit of pepper to a cassrole 2 days ago

but

> it was again all juiced down. I hadn't skinned it no but it was

all

> liquidised. Is this still a problem?

Even if all cooked and pureed there is a lot of extra fiber and

cellulose in the skins (same with the " strings in celery " ).

Pureeing it may help a bit but it could still be a contributor to

constipation. If the body is not healed enough to digest it then it

feeds the nasties. Some have to wait a while on onions and/or

garlic because they both contain quite a bit of natural inulin and

fiber. That's whay some who aren't ready for them will get GI

problems (diarrhea or Constipation) and sometimes gas. The gas being

a sign of microbial fermentation.

> I give 1/4 teaspoon of yoghurt today. he took it no problem and

later

> asked me for more (hope that is a good sign?) He had a bowel

movement

> tonight after his epson bath and a suspository, very smelly very

> yeasty. Hope this is the start of more to come!!!

Some have reported that the yoghurt helps to get things moving.

Still, take it slow with gradually increasing the amounts. Some get

excited and ramp up the amounts too quickly - many (most) of the

kids here need to slowly adjust to all the great stuff in the

yoghurt.

Sheila, SCD 55 mos, 21 yrs UC

mom of , SCD 40 mos

>

> Think Jody I'll leave the nuts for another while just to see if I

can

> get him cleaned out.

>

> thanks so much for your response. I really needed feedback and I

know

> you all are so busy with your own.

> Best

> Aileen

>

>

>

> > Hi Aileen,

> >

> > > I would like to try some nut butter/flour but still battling

with

> > > yeast and constipation.

> > >

> > > Should I wait until this gets better before introducing nut

> butter or

> > > flour

> > > I have stopped eggs yesterday to see if that helps so diet is

> limited

> > > to meat (all SCD) and veg and fruit.

> >

> > The nut butter/nut flour muffins may help with the constipation.

> >

> > >

> > > Any help appreciated

> > >

> > > Foods at the moment - All SCD meat, peach, pear, nectarine,

all

> pureed

> > > (was using banana but advised to stop due to constipating)veg-

> > > brocolli, celery, leek, peppers, onion, squash, green beans,

> carrots,

> > > brussel sprouts mostly in soups and juiced and just a little

of

> each.

> >

> > Also, as I wrote previously the broccoli, brussel sprouts may be

> > contributing to the constipation (both are in the cabbage

family).

> If

> > still having problems after pulling these and introducing the

nut

> > muffins you may have to remove celery and onions until things

start

> > moving. (both are fibrous and may be making constipation

worse).

> Also

> > are the peppers skinned - the skins ar hard for some to digest.

> >

> > Sheila, SCD 55 mos, 21 yrs UC

> > mom of , SCD 40 mos

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

im going to reintroduce the nut bread next week - the boys werent digesting them

at all a few weeks ago - after the biokult episode and now their dads episode,

they are finally okayish - fian im judging more so as he has excellent bms

compared to what they were

but 2 weeks ago, the nut bread was causing d for fian - so next week i really

want to start them back on nut butter - they love the waffles and fian is

missing them dreadfully

tried green beans both hate them

kais bms have gone hard, good colour though, lots of little nuggets clumped

together, probably the total size 2 inches each at one a day

which is no good, his eyes are black, from all the toxins

im a bit wary of vitamin c as large doses can cause kidney stones so im hoping

large doses of magnesium a couple of times a day will get him going

i wouldnt know where to start trying a suppository and cant see kai letting me

do it

thanks ill let you know how they go

emma

Sheila Trenholm sheilat@...> wrote:

Hi Emma,

> kais constipation is bad at the moment but is clearly linked to

die off - hurah - at least i know now

When my yeast is bad I find my constipation gets bad (eczema & acne

return; joints ache; yeasty rashes etc.). Maybe that is part of the

equation for Kai, also.

> all they are eating today is meats, carrots, zucchinni, avocado,

duck/goose fat, i hope to add in squash at the end of the week

How is he with cooked green beans (insoluble fiber)?

> what i am concerned about because his bowels are sluggish anyway,

how can i tell if more fibrous foods will cause a problem, if he is

already constipated due to die off - we are up to a teaspoon of nut

yogurt a day?

How is he with nut baked goods? Not necessarily sweet muffins but

say nut bread. I had to stop prunes because the yeast was getting

worse; but using the carrot juice and garlic along with the nut

bread got things moving. I made sure that the nut flour had a very

fine grind. (I found the best relief with the yeast enzymes, used

in conjunction with SCD and the above).

So if you are already doing these things and the constipation is

quite bad (hard stool not going for days) you might consider some of

the other ideas for getting things moving glycerin suppository,

vitamin C etc.

Is it hard dry stool, what kind of frequency?

> will it show in another way do you think?

>

> i am adding in magnesium tomorrow to try and help him get things

moving

Sheila, SCD 55 mos, 21 yrs UC

mom of , SCD 40 mos

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

hi sheila todays update

both boys had pureed pear and nut butter pancakes for breakfast

kai lunch had carrots, squash, zucchinni, pureed and roast chicken

he had all his supplements with his 200g of magnesium at breakfast and at

lunchtime

he said that this afternoon he had bad d and stomach cramps again but only went

once?

for tea, lamb chops with pureed carrot, squash and courgette again (sorry im not

ignoring what you said about the squash - its just i made a load, have no where

to freeze it and cant afford to waste it, ill certainly go back to carrots and

zuchinni again tomorrow)

he had plenty of juice - i think ill drop the magnesium down to 100g three times

a day until the d stops (not saying that this is the cause but i dont want it to

be aggravated)

he had 3 big pieces of (banana) nut bread for supper

fian ate banana pancakes for lunch 2 small bananas 2 eggs - he suffers with leg

cramps so he had 100g of magnesium at breakfast and lunchtime

tea same as kai

he had grape juice to drink - welch - 1/10th to 9/10 of water

fian has had good firmer bms but today - they are now sludgy green - fians

bowels seem to move the 'average' 8 hours, 'new nut and pear' breakfast was at 8

and he moved at 4 - really sulphury - now im sure some people have said green

sludge is part of the die off but the sulphur smell? and fian has been really

hyperactive today and red faced which is consistent with him having poor bms,

should i pull the nut butter back out, the fruit? or give him a cpl of days and

see if settles?

thanks sheila

emma

they are both having all 3 houston enzymes original formulations

Sheila Trenholm sheilat@...> wrote:

Hi Emma,

> ive made the decision to introduce the stage 1 fruits, to see if

that helps moving things - kai had a blow out in school really bad d

twice - which is definately the result of an impaction

> i gave him 400g of magnesium last night as well - so im not sure

which it was but then he hadnt gone for 2 days so maybe it was a

combination

>

> ill just give him 200g of magnesium tonight and then 200g in the

morning and see how he fares, plus 2 small bananas for school snacks

am and pm

> hes actually making nut bread in school tomorrow so ill add that

in with him and hopefully hell stay reasonably regular, i have also

added back in butternut squash as they were both okay with that

before the flare - but i know all the rest of the stage 2 foods

caused a variety of issues

Since his stool is so hard and now he is having d I would encourage

the nut bread to soften the stool and hopefully get rid of the

impaction.

> should i just stay at stage 1 (plus the nut bread and butternut

squash) now until their stools become solid and regular?

Let me know what happens when Kai has the nut bread. You have to

clear out the impaction and go from there. The next few days bm's

should indicate what to do next. Keep me informed and will walk

through it together.

>

> oh ive also decided we are not going to introduce the threelac - i

am going to use no phenol with samento and oregano oil

>

> i want to be 100% true to scd

Good choice

Sheila, SCD 55 mos, 21 yrs UC

mom of , SCD 40 mos

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

hi sheila

i have a whole load of liquid paraffin which we used last year to 'flush him

out', if he hasnt calmed down in 2 days or he goes back to constipation again in

2 days then yes ill flush him through - i hate doing it hough he doesnt seem to

absorb anything on those days and just looks utterly terrible

i made a separate pear peeled and cooked puree sauce over the nut butter

pancakes - i did post as an add on that he did pass nut butter later on so he

may be okaish with the pears either way ill leave it 2 days for him as well and

see where we go

thank you sheila will keep you posted

Sheila Trenholm sheilat@...> wrote:

Hi Emma,

>he said that this afternoon he had bad d and stomach cramps again but only went

once?

Did he have a lot of diarrhea? I am wondering if he has an impaction because

you wrote he was having very hard balls of stool just a day or so ago. If he

does and is only getting diarrhea around it - it may be an idea to see a doctor

to get rid of the impaction (if there is one - keep in mind I am not a doctor

but it sounds like what happened to me last year - small hard, balls of stools,

then very bad cramps and bit of forceful diarrhea. Went to ER, and dr gave me

two enemas which cleared things out. BTW, that's about when my yeast problems

really kicked into high gear)

>for tea, lamb chops with pureed carrot, squash and courgette again (sorry im

not ignoring what you said about the squash - its just i made a load, have no

where to freeze it and cant afford to waste it, ill certainly go back to carrots

and zuchinni again tomorrow)

Which comment are you referring to? - I write a lot of stuff

>he had plenty of juice - i think ill drop the magnesium down to 100g three

times a day until the d stops (not saying that this is the cause but i dont want

it to be aggravated)

>he had 3 big pieces of (banana) nut bread for supper

>fian ate banana pancakes for lunch 2 small bananas 2 eggs - he suffers with leg

cramps so he had 100g of magnesium at breakfast and lunchtime

tea same as kai

>he had grape juice to drink - welch - 1/10th to 9/10 of water

>fian has had good firmer bms but today - they are now sludgy green - fians

bowels seem to move the 'average' 8 hours, 'new nut and pear' breakfast was at 8

and he moved at 4 - really sulphury - now im sure some people have said green

sludge is part of the die off but the sulphur smell? and fian has been really

hyperactive today and red faced which is consistent with him having poor bms,

should i pull the nut butter back out, the fruit? or give him a cpl of days and

see if settles?

If the nut bread was the only new thing he maynot be ready for it yet. Or maybe

the amount of it. Was the nut bread made with pears? Or were the pears

seperate? Were the pears cooked? You could remove both and then retry cooked

pears first and then nut bread a few days later.

Sheila, SCD 55 mos, 21 yrs UC

mom of , SCD 40 mos

Sheila, SCD 55 mos, 21 yrs UC

mom of , SCD 40 mos

[Guest guest]

just another update

fian once day green sludge with ground nuts again

kai has come home in a wonderful mood saying he feels much better and has had no

d today

just staying with cooked chicken and lamb, cooked peeled (deseeded as

appropriate) pears, apples, carrots and zucchinni, eggs,and bananas - i think

ill leave it another week before i change anything, would that be okay?

and as a first food for stage 2 what would be better avocado or butternut

squash?

thank you

emma

Emma eeejay174@...> wrote:

hi sheila

i have a whole load of liquid paraffin which we used last year to 'flush him

out', if he hasnt calmed down in 2 days or he goes back to constipation again in

2 days then yes ill flush him through - i hate doing it hough he doesnt seem to

absorb anything on those days and just looks utterly terrible

i made a separate pear peeled and cooked puree sauce over the nut butter

pancakes - i did post as an add on that he did pass nut butter later on so he

may be okaish with the pears either way ill leave it 2 days for him as well and

see where we go

thank you sheila will keep you posted

Sheila Trenholm sheilat@...> wrote:

Hi Emma,

>he said that this afternoon he had bad d and stomach cramps again but only went

once?

Did he have a lot of diarrhea? I am wondering if he has an impaction because

you wrote he was having very hard balls of stool just a day or so ago. If he

does and is only getting diarrhea around it - it may be an idea to see a doctor

to get rid of the impaction (if there is one - keep in mind I am not a doctor

but it sounds like what happened to me last year - small hard, balls of stools,

then very bad cramps and bit of forceful diarrhea. Went to ER, and dr gave me

two enemas which cleared things out. BTW, that's about when my yeast problems

really kicked into high gear)

>for tea, lamb chops with pureed carrot, squash and courgette again (sorry im

not ignoring what you said about the squash - its just i made a load, have no

where to freeze it and cant afford to waste it, ill certainly go back to carrots

and zuchinni again tomorrow)

Which comment are you referring to? - I write a lot of stuff

>he had plenty of juice - i think ill drop the magnesium down to 100g three

times a day until the d stops (not saying that this is the cause but i dont want

it to be aggravated)

>he had 3 big pieces of (banana) nut bread for supper

>fian ate banana pancakes for lunch 2 small bananas 2 eggs - he suffers with leg

cramps so he had 100g of magnesium at breakfast and lunchtime

tea same as kai

>he had grape juice to drink - welch - 1/10th to 9/10 of water

>fian has had good firmer bms but today - they are now sludgy green - fians

bowels seem to move the 'average' 8 hours, 'new nut and pear' breakfast was at 8

and he moved at 4 - really sulphury - now im sure some people have said green

sludge is part of the die off but the sulphur smell? and fian has been really

hyperactive today and red faced which is consistent with him having poor bms,

should i pull the nut butter back out, the fruit? or give him a cpl of days and

see if settles?

If the nut bread was the only new thing he maynot be ready for it yet. Or maybe

the amount of it. Was the nut bread made with pears? Or were the pears

seperate? Were the pears cooked? You could remove both and then retry cooked

pears first and then nut bread a few days later.

Sheila, SCD 55 mos, 21 yrs UC

mom of , SCD 40 mos

Sheila, SCD 55 mos, 21 yrs UC

mom of , SCD 40 mos