Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 I give her veges and fruits at most meals but she leaves them and > eats the fats and meats. She was overweight when she started and how is > probably at her correct weight - I don't want her to lose any more. > > Does anyone have any advice on what to do? > Try hiding them. Put squash or ground green beans in hamburgers. Include fruit in stewed chicken. Carol F. Celiac, SCD 5 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Vicki, Well, one option would be to require her to eat the fruits and vegetables before the meat/fat is served. Or serve only a small portion of meat and not give any " seconds " until the other foods on the plate are gone. The other would be to give her juice to drink. And another would be to hide the fruits and veggies in her meat. Jody mom to -6 and -8 SCD 30 months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 r u using enzymes? > > Well, one option would be to require her to eat the fruits and vegetables > before the meat/fat is served. Or serve only a small portion of meat and > not > give any " seconds " until the other foods on the plate are gone. > > The other would be to give her juice to drink. > > And another would be to hide the fruits and veggies in her meat. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Our doctor recommended to give him a drop of honey or two when we noticed " the smell " ... My son's bad breath dissapeared when we stopped some homeopathic remedies that had alcohol. We also started giving him water " before " , not " during " the meals, and that seems to help his digestion... The theory is that he doesn't produce enough ClH in the stomach, and water with meals will further dilute the acid. Also, take her to the dentist. My son's mouth was very stinky when he had several small cavities that I had not really noticed. Sinus infections can also make you stink. Coral Follow the advice the other people gave you... she needs to eat fruit and vegetables - mix them in pancakes, meatballs, stew, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 Hi , I have got Houston enzymes a few weeks ago and I reacted to them so I haven't enforced them for Gemma. I'll try them for her. Would they also help with what I assume is ketosis? Cheers Vicki on 29/8/05 11:34 AM, andrew at alevin@... wrote: r u using enzymes? > > Well, one option would be to require her to eat the fruits and vegetables > before the meat/fat is served. Or serve only a small portion of meat and > not > give any " seconds " until the other foods on the plate are gone. > > The other would be to give her juice to drink. > > And another would be to hide the fruits and veggies in her meat. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 which houstonni enzymes do you have? which filler? how r u using them? if you have the hn-zyme with the rice bran oil filler, just starting with small quantities of that sprinkled on the food might be best what other supps are you taking? yeah they would help but ketosis has to be tackled from a number of sides. dunno jody, i always eat meat and protein first, supposedly the stomach digests meat first and if you have veges it holds up on the vegs until the meat is digested, a bit of acid fruit like kiwifruit after the meal can help i eat two meals a day and not much or nothing in between now but you need to be able to metabolise fat well to do this and that takes supps and high nutrient foods > > > > Well, one option would be to require her to eat the fruits and > vegetables > > before the meat/fat is served. Or serve only a small portion of > meat and > > not > > give any " seconds " until the other foods on the plate are gone. > > > > The other would be to give her juice to drink. > > > > And another would be to hide the fruits and veggies in her meat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 enzymes with the celluose fillers do NOT work imo, the no fenol is rice bran oil filler? do any of the other enzymes have rice bran oil filler? if they have the cellulose filler they are useless, throw away items. chemical sensitivity is liver processing issues and possibly heavy metal accumulation and fluoride won't be helping at all. i have never had an inhalation problems with sprinkling enzymes, if gemma is that sensitive she can pick them up frrm across the room she has a leaky gut from yeast etc and low omegas threes (fish oil) basically allergies and food intolerances come from undigested or partly digested food particles getting across a leaky gut and until you address this you are just chasing the wind. nz is low selenium and selenium is essential for passivating heavy metals i have a dual selenium protocol which in my web page 'minerals i take' in the index of http://tinyurl.com/2csa3 once on the 'minerals i take' page, just scroll down to SELENIUM PROTOCOL also look at zinc and copper in that index, zinc is the basic heavy metals detox but you need to get the forms, co facotrs and quantities right www.betterlife.com has reasonable prices and good service fluoride is an issue especially in toothpaste, its an enzyme depressant. you should have my selenium protocol in place before getting the amalgams removed and remove one at a time with say several weeks at least between if you have sleeping issues look at melatonin in 'other supplements' in that index, the mrm melatonin is very good imo a lot of kids do not tolerate nut flours or butters at all, they do have enzyme inhibitors in no more vaccines at this point > Hi , > > Thanks for replying. I live in NZ and a friend who is also on this list has > lent me pots of Zyme Prime , No-fenol (only 4 capsules left) and > AFP-Peptizyde from Houston Nutraceuticals Inc that she had shipped here. > We've only tried Zyme prime so far which didn't agree with me. Fillers are > cellulose and water and includes rice bran for No-fenol. > > We are taking no supplements at the moment because: > 1) I react to everything including these which has made me very chicken (I > lose two weeks of sleep at every try) and careful with Gemma and > 2) I think need to ship them from overseas which is expensive and I haven't > had the money (should be able to very soon). > > Another reason is Gemma is very chemically sensitive - especially to > perfumes etc so when it says to be careful not to inhale the enzyme powder > it makes me a little wary. Her Dad or I can sprinkle the enzymes on but she > picks up particles from way across the room. Do you know why it says not to > enhale? Perhaps I will email the company. > > If I include the veges in her meat pureed then she won't eat anything. If I > don't puree them she picks them out! I got a whole bowlful of left over > veges yesterday. She likes pureed soups and juices so I'll do it that way. > She likes things to be separate I think - all vege dinner or cut up fruit > lunch but not mixed with meat - I'm still figuring it out. I need to use > fitday.com too of what she actually eats and I should get the balance right. > > She's digesting well now - regular soft smooth motions and can tolerate > everything except peanut butter so that's a great sign (nut flours are too > hard as yet to digest but the butters are good). Also, her behaviour is > great now - I just need to manage this aspect. > > Thanks for your comments. > > Vicki, Celiac/food intolerances, SCD 8 months > Gemma, MCS, SCD 7 weeks > >] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 Bless you , that's really on the button for both me and Gem. Luckily she has no amalgam fillings (I have loads which can come out as finances dictate) and we have not had fluoride toothpaste (use the Weleda Salt) and used spring water since finding out she has MCS (diagnosed 3 years ago). She was fully vaccinated as a child - I only wised up 3 years ago. We'll go to the docs to get tested for selenium levels etc and order in some new enzymes with the rice bran oil fillers. Thanks again, appreciate it. Cheers Vicki, Celiac/food intolerances, SCD 8 months Gemma, 9, MCS, SCD 7 weeks on 30/8/05 1:12 PM, andrew at alevin@... wrote: enzymes with the celluose fillers do NOT work imo, the no fenol is rice bran oil filler? do any of the other enzymes have rice bran oil filler? if they have the cellulose filler they are useless, throw away items. chemical sensitivity is liver processing issues and possibly heavy metal accumulation and fluoride won't be helping at all. i have never had an inhalation problems with sprinkling enzymes, if gemma is that sensitive she can pick them up frrm across the room she has a leaky gut from yeast etc and low omegas threes (fish oil) basically allergies and food intolerances come from undigested or partly digested food particles getting across a leaky gut and until you address this you are just chasing the wind. nz is low selenium and selenium is essential for passivating heavy metals i have a dual selenium protocol which in my web page 'minerals i take' in the index of http://tinyurl.com/2csa3 once on the 'minerals i take' page, just scroll down to SELENIUM PROTOCOL also look at zinc and copper in that index, zinc is the basic heavy metals detox but you need to get the forms, co facotrs and quantities right www.betterlife.com has reasonable prices and good service fluoride is an issue especially in toothpaste, its an enzyme depressant. you should have my selenium protocol in place before getting the amalgams removed and remove one at a time with say several weeks at least between if you have sleeping issues look at melatonin in 'other supplements' in that index, the mrm melatonin is very good imo a lot of kids do not tolerate nut flours or butters at all, they do have enzyme inhibitors in no more vaccines at this point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 , Why do you think that the enzymes with cellulose filler are a waste? My son has a food intelerance to rice and rice products... Does that mean he couldn't benefit from enzymes? Coral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 food intolerance is a leaky gut and undigested food particle getting across the gut and reacting with the immune sytem when you have that sort of situation anything you eat is going to have the potential for developing an intolerance rice today, milk products tomorrow you basically need a broad based approach to address these issues, minerals (especially optizinc to help dampen the histamines), fish oil to help the membranes become less permeable, maybe candex and occasional oreganol, maybe a very small amount of msm as per my compendium, scd dietary empahsis ................... i don't think it would take to much to get to the point of tolerating the tiny amount of rice bran in the hosutonni enzymes strong allergies can be unwound my face would blow up with a tiny amount of mango and now i can eat with no issues > , > > Why do you think that the enzymes with cellulose filler are a waste? > > My son has a food intelerance to rice and rice products... Does that > mean he couldn't benefit from enzymes? > > Coral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 sorry andrew can you explain why cellulose fillers arent as efficient as the rice bran oil thx andrew alevin@...> wrote: food intolerance is a leaky gut and undigested food particle getting across the gut and reacting with the immune sytem when you have that sort of situation anything you eat is going to have the potential for developing an intolerance rice today, milk products tomorrow you basically need a broad based approach to address these issues, minerals (especially optizinc to help dampen the histamines), fish oil to help the membranes become less permeable, maybe candex and occasional oreganol, maybe a very small amount of msm as per my compendium, scd dietary empahsis ................... i don't think it would take to much to get to the point of tolerating the tiny amount of rice bran in the hosutonni enzymes strong allergies can be unwound my face would blow up with a tiny amount of mango and now i can eat with no issues > , > > Why do you think that the enzymes with cellulose filler are a waste? > > My son has a food intelerance to rice and rice products... Does that > mean he couldn't benefit from enzymes? > > Coral For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 cellulose is a complex sugar and mcs is a modifyed cellulose in theory the sugars are not accessible but in practice they appear to be in varying degrees the processing amy well make the sugars more accessible to gut bugs it is actually one of the limitations of supplements in that you can only take so much of the fillers the other side is that practically the experience of users of the enzymes has indicated the mcs filler has issues. > > , > > > > Why do you think that the enzymes with cellulose filler are a waste? > > > > My son has a food intelerance to rice and rice products... Does that > > mean he couldn't benefit from enzymes? > > > > Coral > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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