Re: Trying intro after 20 months - need help

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> They are currently eating:

> chicken/lamb/beef/turkey/bison

> golden delicious apples/green grapes/melons/avocados/coconut/bananas

> winter squashes/cauliflower/peas/zucchini/cucumbers/red peppers

> eggs/coconut oil& milk and olive oil and spices, etc.

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Milk?

Carol F.

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> They are currently eating:

> chicken/lamb/beef/turkey/bison

> golden delicious apples/green grapes/melons/avocados/coconut/bananas

> winter squashes/cauliflower/peas/zucchini/cucumbers/red peppers

> eggs/coconut oil& milk and olive oil and spices, etc.

>

Milk?

Carol F.

[Guest guest]

coconut milk

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> \>

> > They are currently eating:

> > chicken/lamb/beef/turkey/bison

> > golden delicious apples/green

grapes/melons/avocados/coconut/bananas

> > winter squashes/cauliflower/peas/zucchini/cucumbers/red peppers

> > eggs/coconut oil& milk and olive oil and spices, etc.

> >

> Milk?

>

> Carol F.

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[Guest guest]

coconut milk

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> \>

> > They are currently eating:

> > chicken/lamb/beef/turkey/bison

> > golden delicious apples/green

grapes/melons/avocados/coconut/bananas

> > winter squashes/cauliflower/peas/zucchini/cucumbers/red peppers

> > eggs/coconut oil& milk and olive oil and spices, etc.

> >

> Milk?

>

> Carol F.

>

[Guest guest]

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I think one issue is that phenols and oxalates content are not

equivalent. So, a food that is low in phenols can be high in oxalates

and a food that is high in phenols can be low in oxalates.

Trying to do a low phenol, low oxalate diet that is SCD compliant will

really limit your food choices. Using an SCD/LOD list that I made and

then subtracting the high salicylate foods, this is what you are left

with:

SCD/LOD/Low Phenol

apple, peeled (except granny smith)

beef

butter

cabbage, red

cabbage, white

cauliflower

cheese (allowed SCD varieties)

coconut

eggs

fish

gelatin

grape juice, white

grapefruit juice

green peas, fresh or frozen

honeydew (cannot find on salicylate list-so unknown status)

lamb

lemon juice

lemon

lettuce, iceberg

lime juice

mangoes

mayonnaise (homemade)

mustard

nectarines

oils

papaya (not listed on salicylate list-unknown status)

passion fruit

pineapple juice

plums, green or yellow

pork

poultry

salt

seafood

turnips (if tolerated)

vanilla (not listed on salicylate list-unknown status)

vinegar, apple cider

watermelon

yogurt (homemade)

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

Have you tried " No Fenol " by Houston Nutraceuticals? They

make very good digestive enzymes. We use the No Fenol with

rice bran filler - it is SCD-legal.

Your children could also have developed a food

allergy/intollerance - usually it is to something they ate a lot of

when they were small. For some reason my son (who also

reacts to phenols) is very hyper when he has bananas, carrots,

apples and almonds - some of it could also be a cross-reactive

allergy to latex (but that is another story) or even yeast.

This is very hard to figure out. The best way is take foods away

until you have good behaviors then add foods back one at a time.

Sandy, mom to -7, SCD 11mo.

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> I think one issue is that phenols and oxalates content are not

> equivalent. So, a food that is low in phenols can be high in

oxalates

> and a food that is high in phenols can be low in oxalates.

>

> Trying to do a low phenol, low oxalate diet that is SCD

compliant will

> really limit your food choices. Using an SCD/LOD list that I

made and

> then subtracting the high salicylate foods, this is what you are

left

> with:

>

> SCD/LOD/Low Phenol

>

> apple, peeled (except granny smith)

> beef

> butter

> cabbage, red

> cabbage, white

> cauliflower

> cheese (allowed SCD varieties)

> coconut

> eggs

> fish

> gelatin

> grape juice, white

> grapefruit juice

> green peas, fresh or frozen

> honeydew (cannot find on salicylate list-so unknown status)

> lamb

> lemon juice

> lemon

> lettuce, iceberg

> lime juice

> mangoes

> mayonnaise (homemade)

> mustard

> nectarines

> oils

> papaya (not listed on salicylate list-unknown status)

> passion fruit

> pineapple juice

> plums, green or yellow

> pork

> poultry

> salt

> seafood

> turnips (if tolerated)

> vanilla (not listed on salicylate list-unknown status)

> vinegar, apple cider

> watermelon

> yogurt (homemade)

>

>

> Jody

> mom to -7 and -9

> SCD 1/03

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[Guest guest]

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> coconut milk

> --- In pecanbread , " carolfrilegh "

It is not to be used until being on the diet six months.

Carol F.

[Guest guest]

We have been on the diet for over 20 months. I am doing the intro to help

figure out if we have a problem phenols. So I am not doing coconut or anything

w/ phenols this week.

carolfrilegh c.frilegh@...> wrote:

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> coconut milk

> --- In pecanbread , " carolfrilegh "

It is not to be used until being on the diet six months.

Carol F.

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

Pineapple juice- low phenol, SCD, LOD too I believe.

Good source of carbs.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

I didn't realize that pineapples had carbs. I will have to see if it is LOD.

Thanks!!

S

" Jody G. " momtobandj@...> wrote:

Pineapple juice- low phenol, SCD, LOD too I believe.

Good source of carbs.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

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Here is the list again of the SCD/LOD, low phenol foods. Pineapple

juice is on the list.

ALL FRUITS have a lot of carbs.

So, applesauce made from peeled non-granny smith apples, homemade

apple juice (made from peeled, non-granny smith apples), mangos,

plums, passion fruit, watermelon, green peas, nectarines, white grape

juice... these things are all sources of carbs from the list below.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

apple, peeled (except granny smith)

beef

butter

cabbage, red

cabbage, white

cauliflower

cheese (allowed SCD varieties)

coconut

eggs

fish

gelatin

grape juice, white

grapefruit juice

green peas, fresh or frozen

honeydew (cannot find on salicylate list-so unknown status)

lamb

lemon juice

lemon

lettuce, iceberg

lime juice

mangoes

mayonnaise (homemade)

nectarines

oils

papaya (not listed on salicylate list-unknown status)

passion fruit

pineapple juice

plums, green or yellow

pork

poultry

salt

seafood

turnips (if tolerated)

vanilla (not listed on salicylate list-unknown status)

vinegar, apple cider

watermelon

yogurt (homemade)

[Guest guest]

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> Here is the list again of the SCD/LOD, low phenol foods. Pineapple

> juice is on the list.

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> ALL FRUITS have a lot of carbs.

Where does butternut squash rank, also avocado? Both are good carb sources.

Carol F.

[Guest guest]

> Where does butternut squash rank, also avocado? Both are good carb

sources.

>

Carol,

was trying to avoid phenols, oxalates and eat only SCD allowed

foods.

Squash and avocado are high in phenols.

That list of foods I posted are the only ones that I know of that are

SCD, LOD and low phenol based on the information available on

Owens LOD list and the website with the salicylate content.

Perhaps there will be more LOD foods once the new cookbook is

distributed and people can see the results of the most recent testing.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

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/Jody

I haven't been on here in a LONG time but happened to see your posts

regarding going back to an intro diet and still seeing problems. I

just wanted to make this comment -

We have had my son on this diet for almost 2 years (march) and one of

the things that I found out is that he REALLY reacts to phenols. But

not only phenols - amines and msg too. It appeared that he would

have these types of reactions after eating foods in the high phenol

OR amine OR msg categories: rashes, hyperactivity, meltdowns, etc.

Looking at this list, I see some things that pop up as low phenols

but high msg, like peas - which was listed in the intro diet. Also,

grape juice is a triple whammy. On this site:

www.danasview.net/phenol.htm (sorry i didn't link it), they have good

information about all 3 of these things. I suffer from migraines and

stay away from these types of foods so it would make sense that they

would have some sort of reaction in my son (but shows up in different

ways).

I know its frustrating to think: we are down to 4 foods and STILL

having problems but i found along the way that you have to be very

throrough in your investigations when you are still experiencing

problems. Think about it, if you are only eating 4 types of foods,

you're probably ingesting a lot of those 4 and if one of those items

has something you react to, your getting a lot more of that item than

you would in a more varied diet. Perhaps, in some situations if you

ate a small amount of that food, it wouldn't show any problems, but

increase the volume consumed and you may have a reaction (we

definitely saw this on my son's sensitivity tests: some foods like

goat cheese were ok, but increase the amount and he went off the

charts).

We had a similar problem when we first started and found out that

carrots were causing him hyperactivity (long story with that) but

once we found the culprit, things mellowed out.

I'm not saying this will miraculously help and not trying to butt in

AND we do scd, casein/gluten-free, use epsom salt baths and amino

acid supplements, so it could definitely be a combo. But good food

choices have definitely shown a good cause/effect.

Good luck.

Dana Stein

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> apple, peeled (except granny smith)

> beef

> butter

> cabbage, red

> cabbage, white

> cauliflower

> cheese (allowed SCD varieties)

> coconut

> eggs

> fish

> gelatin

> grape juice, white

> grapefruit juice

> green peas, fresh or frozen

> honeydew (cannot find on salicylate list-so unknown status)

> lamb

> lemon juice

> lemon

> lettuce, iceberg

> lime juice

> mangoes

> mayonnaise (homemade)

> mustard

> nectarines

> oils

> papaya (not listed on salicylate list-unknown status)

> passion fruit

> pineapple juice

> plums, green or yellow

> pork

> poultry

> salt

> seafood

> turnips (if tolerated)

> vanilla (not listed on salicylate list-unknown status)

> vinegar, apple cider

> watermelon

> yogurt (homemade)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jody

" Jody G. " momtobandj@...> wrote:

,

I think one issue is that phenols and oxalates content are not

equivalent. So, a food that is low in phenols can be high in oxalates

and a food that is high in phenols can be low in oxalates.

Trying to do a low phenol, low oxalate diet that is SCD compliant will

really limit your food choices. Using an SCD/LOD list that I made and

then subtracting the high salicylate foods, this is what you are left

with:

SCD/LOD/Low Phenol

apple, peeled (except granny smith)

beef

butter

cabbage, red

cabbage, white

cauliflower

cheese (allowed SCD varieties)

coconut

eggs

fish

gelatin

grape juice, white

grapefruit juice

green peas, fresh or frozen

honeydew (cannot find on salicylate list-so unknown status)

lamb

lemon juice

lemon

lettuce, iceberg

lime juice

mangoes

mayonnaise (homemade)

mustard

nectarines

oils

papaya (not listed on salicylate list-unknown status)

passion fruit

pineapple juice

plums, green or yellow

pork

poultry

salt

seafood

turnips (if tolerated)

vanilla (not listed on salicylate list-unknown status)

vinegar, apple cider

watermelon

yogurt (homemade)

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com